NFC West Roundtable: Defensive End
Seattle has numbers and talent at defensive end, but it also has injury concerns and questions marks. Patrick Kerney is the name. He rewarded Seattle with 14.5 sacks in the first year of his six-year, $39.5 million dollar contract. He spent most of the second year on IR. Before his shoulder popped, he was in the midst of another productive season. He had five sacks and two forced fumbles in seven games. Age 32 is a bit of a brick wall for defensive ends. 29 defensive ends, including Kerney at 50, are in the top 50 for career sacks. Those ends averaged 10 sacks at age 30, 9.8 sacks at age 31, but only 7.3 sacks at age 32. Only eight of those 29 reached double digit sacks at 32 and four were Bruce Smith, Reggie White, Michael Strahan and Chris Doleman—four of the top five leaders in career sacks. They totaled 54.5 sacks at age 32. The remaining 24 totaled 150 sacks and averaged just 6.3 at age 32. That’s the group that better projects Kerney’s future and that’s why following his second season ending injury in three seasons, Kerney can no longer be counted on to be a great defensive end.
But he’s good. Around him Seattle has talent and depth. It picked up a slimmed down Cory Redding in the Julian Peterson deal and plans on making him a two-down end. Redding was a good player on a botched defense. He’s not high-motor; he’s weapons grade plutonium. He explodes off the snap. He reappears where the ball carrier is and delivers the hurt. He’s not a premier pass rusher, but entering his prime it’s still within him. If not singularly great against the pass, he does enough against the pass and the run to be valuable. Unfortunately, he’s recovering from a knee injury that might endanger his career. His move to end is in part a move of necessity.
Kerney and Redding are the presumed starters, but in the wings are pass-rush demon Darryl Tapp, developing tools prospect Baraka Atkins, and the physically gifted Lawrence Jackson. Tapp is my personal favorite. Tapp is consistently disruptive. Fans undervalue him because he’s yet to produce double-digit sacks, but he’s capable. When he’s not tackling the quarterback, he is disrupting the quarterback’s timing and forcing premature passes. Tapp is from the Dwight Freeney School of defensive ends and his gusto to get to the quarterback often leaves him out of position to defend the run and incapable of sealing the edge. He could be as a good as Robert Mathis, but first Seattle must free him to play.
Atkins is potential making good and in his limited looks last season, he out-produced rookie Lawrence Jackson. The two are kind: Tall, rangy, powerfully built and athletic, but not very skilled and no sure thing to ever be very good. Jackson played on a bad foot all season, but c’mon. He started 14 and never once appeared on the official injury report. Jackson’s problem is that he lacks NFL-ready pass rush moves. As the season continued as frustration mounted, he began quitting on plays. There’s still a ton of talent inside the guy. More raw talent than any other Seahawks defensive end, but a player can bust fast and after frustratingly bad first season, harbingers of bust loom.
The player that pushes this ranking to a "B" is Mr. Everything Aaron Curry. Curry is auditioning as a situational end. Seattle played Julian Peterson in the role and he embarrassed many a good offensive tackle. Curry has Peterson+ speed and is a chiseled 254, but he lacks Peteron’s agility. He’s close. And if he can get there, he would be a ransacking nightmare with no clear counter. If he can get there.
Arizona Cardinals
Blogger: cgolden
After playing an odd hybrid defense for a couple of years, the Cardinals are finally settling into a 3-4 front and of course that'll effect the defensive ends. The good news is that the starters at end are virtually set in stone and the depth at the position is pretty decent but the bad news is that no one is quite sure what to expect of the guys who play the position.
The team's best defensive lineman, Darnell Dockett, will be making the move from tackle to end but he doesn't seem terribly pleased with the move and some question whether it's the best position for his skill set. At tackle, DD was able to shoot gaps and penetrate into the backfield of opposing backfields, creating havoc and picking up the occasion sack, but his responsibilities should be very different as a 3-4 DE. We'll have to wait and see how he handles a role that's built more for facilitating others to make plays as opposed to being a play maker. Either way, most expect Dockett to step in and immediately become one of the better 3-4 defensive ends in the league.
Across from Dockett will be Calais Campbell, who was drafted in the second round last year. Campbell's size (6-8, 282) makes him unique and his athleticism, at that size, makes him special. He surprised everyone by starring on special teams last year and as long as he can consistently keep his pad level low, most expect him to compare favorably to recently departed Antonio Smith. Coming out of Miami he had the reputation as a guy who could get to the quarterback and he flashed his pass rush ability a couple of times last year but his test will be when teams decide to run directly at him.
The top backup at both end spots should be another second year defensive end, Kenny Iwebema, as long as he recovers from a surprise surgery to remove a 'growth' in his chest. By all reports the surgery was a success and everyone expects him to be ready by training camp, but ultimately we won't know until he puts on pads. Last year during camp Iwebema drew rave reviews for his strength and even had some veteran lineman saying that he was virtually unmoveable at the point of attack. When the Cardinals were hurting for a nose tackle late in the preseason and even the regular season opener, they turned to Iwebema as the backup and he didn't disapoint. Pass rushing isn't his greatest strength but he did register two sacks in the preseason last year. While he's projected as a backup, he could still get considerable playing time especially against teams that run the ball more often than they pass.
The battle for the fourth defensive end will likely come down to two undrafted second year players, Keilien Dykes and Jason Banks. The frontrunner, Dykes, spent last year on the practice squad after starring at West Virginia as a defensive tackle. He won't offer much in the pass rush department but he's strong at the point of attack and versatile enough to line up at nose tackle in a pinch. Banks was a raw prospect coming out of Grambling State but he's got better size and more athleticism that Dykes. He probably offers more against the pass but we'll have to wait until training camp to see how it plays out.
The only guy we haven't mentioned yet is Bertrand Berry and that's because no is quite sure where he'll line up. He doesn't have the size to play defensive end but most don't think he can handle a full transition to an outside linebacker spot. He was the teams best pass rusher last year though so there's a thought that he might just come in as a situational pass rusher from multiple positions.
Overall the defensive end spot looks pretty solid but maybe that's just because there isn't a great deal (stat-wise) that's expected from 3-4 defensive ends. The depth chart is stacked with young talent and Dockett has the potential to be a great player no matter where he lines up. In my mind, Dockett is an A and the rest of the group is a C so we'll split and difference and give the Cardinals' defensive ends a grade of B.
San Francisco 49ers
Blogger: Fooch
If this was just about Justin Smith I'd give the unit an A. At this point there are so many questions on the left defensive end side that I'm going to have to go with a C. If I was convinced Balmer would step up this year I'd give it a B. However, numerous questions remain at the LDE.
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Without a doubt this unit could use another edge rusher, but the top of the depth chart combo os Chris Long and Leonard Little is solid. One represents the future, one the past. The one representing the past will be limited on the amount of snaps he sees in order to keep him fresh. They'll hope that Little has enough juice left to play that role. In 14 games last season, Little made six sacks. With better play in the middle of the line and a true middle linebacker finally on board, that should help the DEs.
Finding another DE will be an offseason priority, but for now this mix gets a solid C.
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I didn't know the Cardinals were moving Dockett to an end
Since that guy consistently wrecked the inside of the Hawks line, I approve of the move.
JM, Mario Williams had a horrific rookie season before turning into one of the best (if not THE best) DE’s in the NFL. Now, obviously no one had LJ as the type of talent coming out of college as Williams, but what sort of percentage would you give LJ of rising to the occasion of playing in the NFL? You were so high on the guy coming into last season, and it sucks that well, he has sucked so far.
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
Williams was 21 in 2006 and his season wasn't horrific
just not good for a first overall pick. Jackson is about a year and a half older and his season wasn’t bad for his draft slot—his season was bad. I assume he’ll grow, but it’s dishonest to say last season wasn’t troubling and disheartening. I’m not sure what percentage I would give of him becoming a good regular, but I will say I didn’t think Jackson could be a bust before last season and now I do.
Jackson was about a year and a half older during his rookie season than Williams was during his rookie season.
Hmmm, thanks.
It was a disheartening season, to be sure. A decent LJ, paired with Tapp and a semi-healthy Redding is a fine DE rotation even without Kearney. That’s what sucks, for me, is that I completely understand why Ruskell drafted him, and it SHOULD work, but so far…. no. Not at all.
"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture
I'm a bit more wary of our ends.
For one, I thought Redding actually started looking good when he switched to DT after some barely competent years at DE. And it’s sort of hard to buy that Curry is going to be a noteworthy pass-rusher. If he showed skill at it, why would Wake Forest try using him as one more? It seems hard to believe his coverage was more valuable than having him try to rack up some pressures and QB hits.
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why wouldn't*
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 17, 2009 4:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, if their LBers (and I didn't follow Wake Forest, so I don't know)
were absolutely terrible at coverage but were decent against the run and at getting pressure, you may as well have them go after the QB and have your amazing LB (Curry) stay in coverage. That way you don’t have someone terrible running around in coverage giving up tons of passes over the middle. Minimizing your weaknesses and all that.
Googlejuice:
From The Sabre Edge:
Wake runs a traditional 4-3 set focused on forcing sustained, error-free drives and not giving up big gains. The Deacons are a veteran team and a disciplined team. They create turnovers and rarely make mistakes. They create opportunities for themselves and Virginia needs to limit these opportunities.
Look for Wake to play a two-deep zone and require the safeties to cover a lot of territory. That makes the shallow and medium routes between the seams appealing, but the Deacons’ play-making linebackers make that a risky proposition. Wake frequently plays a loose, deep zone and creates turnovers by baiting the offense to test that approach with deep post and seam routes.
The Wake tendency is to bring its linebackers for QB pressure, particularly Aaron Curry, who possesses exceptional speed and instincts. Stanley Arnoux (#43) tends to stay back in coverage, but is a playmaker in his own right. Arnoux has 3.5 sacks this season and an interception. Wake will blitz anyone at anytime and though it does bring corners and safeties, the pressure comes mostly from the linebackers. Virginia should also be aware of zone blitzes as Wake will drop ends into coverage and often combine that with a twist from one of the interior linemen.
By that logic...
Leroy Hill is a terrible pass rusher.
I’m with Fear on not knowing anything about Wake Forest (don’t really follow collegeball at all), but saying it’s “hard to buy” that a good rushing LB could be put in a non-rushing position is kind of silly if you’re not considering the rest of the team.
by Thomas Beekers on Jul 19, 2009 6:28 AM PDT up reply actions
You're assuming the coaches knew what they were doing
Most don’t use a linebacker as a defensive end. Neither did Seattle until Peterson. You’re assuming it’s a given in a 4-3 defense for a star linebacker to become the pass rusher, but that rarely happens. Derrick Brooks may have been a mean pass rusher, but he was never used that way. He did end up with twice as many interceptions then sacks for his career, however. It may definitively make sense to use a linebacker as a pass rusher though, and it looks like Mora is willing to go that route, but it’s not automatic that any college coach would. Actually, it mostly makes sense only if your defensive ends suck and the LB can’t cover and will be better then the 3rd down DE you use. Thus, Peterson. The benefits of using a LB that way depends a lot on the players around him.
As far as Curry’s pass rushing skills, he definitively has the physical tools and seems to have the mental ones, and pass rushing is something he should be able to learn. Whether he does or not is up in the air right now, because you’re right, he hasn’t done it a whole lot yet and we won’t know until the playing begins. I don’t think it’s safe to say one or the other at this point.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jul 20, 2009 7:44 AM PDT up reply actions
Michigan State used Julian Peterson as a situational defensive end
and he had 25 sacks in 23 games played.
by John Morgan on Jul 20, 2009 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions
He also played defensive end up untill his senior year
And they kept him in that role on passing downs after he made the move to linebacker. 25 sacks is also more then he had in seven years at San Fran. But is Jpete to blame for his low sack total there, or the coaches for not using him as they perhaps should’ve? I don’t think it was until Seattle got a hold of him that he went back to situational pass rusher.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jul 20, 2009 12:29 PM PDT up reply actions
Furthermore,
it would seem likely that whatever pass-rushing prowess he showed in college would take a step back, not a step forward, in the NFL, due to the obviously considerable competition. Lawrence Jackson (and many DEs before him) was a great DE in college but he looked terrible most of the season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 20, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry would play every down in college
So why take him out of the position where he can make the most plays? It’s not that he couldn’t play DE but was more valuable at LB. Now he could be the “weakest” (haha) LB on the team so there’s much a lot more value in trying him at end. One thing the Hawks have done well in the draft is we make our high picks count… good things ahead.
"If this was just about Justin Smith I'd give the unit an A"
haha. Yeah, ok.
Justin Smith is not Osi Umeniyora.
Stacey Nelson throws flaming screwballs.
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