Why Shaun Hill Isn't a Good QB

Hey guys, I don't know if this is appropriate but feel free to delete it if it isn't. I debated with some of you over the merits of ranking the Seahawks ILB's over the Niners ILB's a week or so ago. Sorry if I was rude or nsulted anyone during the debate.

Anyway it got a bit heated and I just wanted to show you guys that if I'm not an intellegent football watcher at the very least I am (at least somewhat) realistic about my hometown team. I thought maybe you guys would find this post I wrote about Shaun Hill interesting, or at least you'll know that I wouldn't have given the Niners QB situtation a B.

almost 3 years ago Brendan Scolari 8 comments 0 recs |

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Haha, your fans don't like that write-up.

You had already mentioned that you did not like Hill, but I thought that was a well thought out, logical post about him. Considering how bad your QBs have been in recent seasons, few are going to see him as anything but a good and above-average QB.

I am thinking that it is similar to the Seahawks HB situation. When Shaun Alexander got bad, everything from there was an upgrade. Mo Morris was an upgrade to him, and Julius Jones AND TJ Duckett were upgrades to Mo Morris. So we are glass half full about the situation, just as the average 49ers fan is about Hill.

On top of that, we’ve normally had a great passing game and you have a great HB, so both team’s fans feel they don’t need a top player in those positions to make the offense great, just players good enough to execute their jobs.

by cashless on Jul 30, 2009 8:10 AM PDT reply actions

Some of them do

But it’s expected because there’s a lot of optimism over there to say the least.

I agree that it’s like the Seahawks RB situation, and that’s partly why I thought that grade was much too high as well. Both of our teams have low expectations at each of these spots and because we want to see our team in a good light we think players like Shaun Hill and Julius Jones are better than they are.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 1:01 PM PDT up reply actions

Nice post.

I think it’s hard to say that if a guy doesn’t beat another guy out that he’s not talented. I mean it certainly is mostly true, but people will always point to the Kurt Warner / Tony Romo types as if they were the rules to validate their arguments instead of just the exceptions. The thing is, if a guy plays on 6 teams and every time the coach doesn’t see him as starter-worthy, theoretically that’s 5*5 (for assistant coaches) 25 opinions of supposedly elite coaching talent judging him as not a starter. However, if he has a Culpepper in front of him, that’s not a huge deal. I suppose the theory could be that he’s not a practice player, he’s a game player, and as much as I hate things like that, such a thing does exist. Some people just play to their level a bit more and have a hard time getting motivated when there’s nothing really on the line.

I like the graph of aging QBs. It reminds me of Hasselbeck’s own NFL mortality (even more than his injuries) and that after 34, we really shouldn’t expect anything, so this year’s upcoming draft really would be a good time to get his replacement so he can sit on the bench for a year or two (like Brady or Timmy himself). Of course aging usually comes with injuries from getting sacked and hit a lot, which Shaun Hill has the benefit of not experiencing too much of yet.

by LantermanC on Jul 30, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions

Also, these guys need to learn how to argue properly.

If someone says 98% of the time this happens, a proper retort isn’t ‘well what about this and that? Look at me point out the 2%. If I do this enough, it might look like it’s 10%’.

by LantermanC on Jul 30, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions

Amen.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions

Thanks

I agree with most everything you said, except I think aging is a mostly just a decline in physical skills, which is aided but the hits and such.

by Brendan Scolari on Jul 30, 2009 2:43 PM PDT up reply actions

I agree.

Most people physically decline once they’re past age 27. It’s a fact. Nothing you can do about it. I wish it weren’t so, but it is. I don’t know what ninja’s point was about the 29 thing not necessarily indicating something. If there are 5 different aspects where something happens 95% of the time happens, then it is very unlikely that the 5 5% chances are all true. Arguing on the internet can be frustrating. This is just a case of biting your tongue so you don’t get too worked up and then feeling good about yourself when the season starts and your analysis was correct. Of course if it wasn’t, your team will be doing pretty well I assume, so it’s win win.