2008 Season Retrospective: Mike Wahle
Overview: The Carolina Panthers released Mike Wahle February 11, 2008. Seattle signed him three days later to a five-year, $20 million contract with $5.5 million guaranteed and a $3.5 million signing bonus. Wahle started ten games at left guard before being put on injured reserve on December 5 with an injured right shoulder.
What went right: Wahle was, as a run blocker, the closest thing to Steve Hutchinson since Steve Hutchinson. Wahle's ability to pull allowed Seattle to trap and kick-out block, and opened parts of Mike Holmgren's playbook closed since 2005. More importantly, Wahle executed and executed well. He gave Patrick Willis the business and helped Seattle run for 169 yards against San Francisco in week two. He was the best interior run-blocker for a team that ran for more yards than it passed through six games.
What went wrong: Wahle was the worst interior pass-blocker for a team that passed for fewer yards than it ran through six games. He started shaky, was handled by Justin Tuck, and by week 8, with his shoulder screaming and his range of motion narrowed, handled by Justin Smith. The injury that ended his season occurred to the same shoulder he suffered a torn labrum to in December of 2006.
Outlook: Seattle could save $1.1 million by cutting Wahle. His recent surgery was a scope and therefore much less severe than the reconstruction he endured in 2006. There is a chance that Wahle is exiting the bad stretch of his career and entering his final bloom before retirement. That's not how this story usually goes. Wahle still has the best potential at left guard for the 2009 Seahawks. Seattle has so far decided that his potential and value as depth is worth at least $1.1 million, but it is no mere coincidence that Max Unger is starting his career practicing at left guard.
Wahle could still lose his job in training camp. He could be cut if he can't prove himself healthy. There's a dreamer's scenario where Unger replaces Wahle like Leroy Hill replaced Jamie Sharper in 2005 after Seattle loses Wahle for the season, and Wahle his career, and Seahawks fans laugh all the way into the playoffs. There's a nightmare scenario where Wahle stays healthy but never regains his ability to pass block, but by staying healthy sticks on the roster this year and beyond and is misidentified as a contributor when he's really a liability. Most likely though is that Wahle starts the year at left guard. If he proves incapable of pass blocking it will indicate to coaches a recurrence of his injury or that his shoulder is irreparably damaged, and he will be benched or put on IR.
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Man, I was so ecstatic when we signed Wahle.
As soon as Carolina cut him I just knew we were going to bring him in for a look. Too bad that didn’t work out as well as hoped. It’s a shame because he missed like 2 games in a decade before last season.
Anyway John, I know writing material is scarce in this final gasp before training camp, so how about an open thread about Ruskell vs. Holmgren as GM or something later?
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
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But so soon into Ruskell’s tenure it’s apples and oranges. The only draft we can be very sure about is the 2005 draft, and even that draft has unrealized talent in Willis and Spencer. In other words, I’m not interested in opening a discussion that’s likely to be both heated and irrational.
Okay.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
"I’m not interested in opening a discussion that’s likely to be both heated and irrational."
John, meet the internet. Internet, meet John.
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by phil26687 on Jul 6, 2009 3:00 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
The more I think about Wahle starting this year the more I'm convinced we'll have a repeat of the Seneca Wallace show
I’d really like for him to find his way off the team before the season starts, Hasselbeck is going to need all the protection he can get.
He'll get quickly replaced
If he’s as inept at pass-blocking as he was next year. God knows if Unger is any better, but we’ll soon find out.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
It's not like he was a liability on every snap.
He just wasn’t the Wahle of old, and not as good as Sims at it in 2007. But if he reasonably improves his pass-pro (maybe with a return to health?) and maintains his above-average run-blocking, I’m down with keeping him as a starter.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 6, 2009 9:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I wonder if the full transition to Solari's ZBS,
and the new offensive system could help Wahle’s pass-blocking? Different blocking assignments, different play-calls, and types of plays utilized to shield some of the offensive line’s specific deficiencies.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
I doubt it.
He’ll probably hold in his own in the system because he’s sort of like what Unger is now except probably a step down in pass-pro. However, there is no getting around the fact his body seems to be deteriorating.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 6, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
Why is it Solari's ZBS?
I often see people saying the ZBS is something Coach Solari brought with him when he joined the Seahawks, but I seem to recall reading back then that the Chiefs didn’t use the scheme while he was there. So I have to ask, what are his ZBS credentials?
There's a dreamer's scenario
Is it really such a wild dream to imagine Wahle going down injured and Unger cabably replacing him? I’m sure Unger will have his rookie moments, but he wasn’t a second-rounder for nothing.
I'm sure that the FO isn't against Unger taking over completely for Wahle.
I mean, why would they want to spend an extra 1.1 million when they don’t have to? And that doesn’t even factor in the extra roster spot.
He could still be good.
Wahle is not a chump (Pro Bowl in 05), but he is not elite either (like Hutch, Evans, Snee, Andrews, etc).
In 10 games with Seattle he had 4 false starts (tied for most in his career (2001)), 2 holding calls and 3 1/2 sacks allowed (not good or bad). But the one issue I really had with Mike were his penalties, 6 for 36 yards in 10 GAMES, he had just 5 in 16 games in 01 and 04, 16 GAMES! So was he overmatched, slow, old, injured or just flat out beat by players that wanted it more, who knows. I’m fine if he wins the job in traing camp (The coaches will figure that out), but if Unger or Wrotto beats him out I still want him on the team. The guy is a pro and can help the young guys out this year. Plus he adds strong depth in case of an injury at the guard spot. But if he wins the job, then he was the better man, no issue (the best players need to play).
I still really think the O-line looks like this when the season starts:
LT- Jones / (Locklear)
LG- Wahle / (Unger) / Wrotto
C- Spencer / Unger / Vallos
RG- Sims / (Willis) / (Vallos)
RT- Locklear / Willis
Then you still have Goddard, WIlliams and Robinson fighting it out for a possible 10th spot on the team. Overall it looks like a strong line with good depth if all can stay healthy this year (knock on wood everyone).
Is this a NFC West Trend??
Bad O-Lines that is!!
by Real Deal P Will on Jul 6, 2009 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, pretty much.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Jul 6, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions

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