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Seattle Seahawks Training Camp Report: 8/1/2009

Rookie Max Unger was one of Red Bryant's many victims. Unger is exactly the type of guard Bryant could chew up and spit out. And there's plenty of Ungers in the National Football League.

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Rookie Max Unger was one of Red Bryant's many victims. Unger is exactly the type of guard Bryant could chew up and spit out. And there's plenty of Ungers in the National Football League.

Update 2:23

Farnsworth informs us of a position switch for Patrick Kerney:

Mora said if the defense had to lineup and play a game right now, Redding would be on he left side (backed up by Lawrence Jackson in the rotation), with Kerney on the right side (backed up by Darryl Tapp).

This reflects the abuse Kerney's taken over the years, and, to spin it a less discouraging way, that Redding is now Seattle's most powerful end and better suited to the natural strong side. Strong side is interchangeable of course, but because most quarterbacks are right handed, the right, their visible side, is the preferred position for outlet receivers and the quarterback's hot read.

. . .

Big Red Bryant getting it done:

Bryant sniffed out a screen pass during team drills, and also knocked down a Seneca Wallace pass attempt at the line of scrimmage.

And he owned the offensive line during pass rush drills, making easy work of Max Unger and Cory Withrow. On the Withrow matchup, the new pickup lifted off Bryant’s helmet as he was getting beat, which didn’t sit well with Bryant, although he didn’t retaliate.

It's no mystery I want Bryant to step up in a big way. I considered Bryant the best talent at defensive tackle Seattle could draft in the third round. When Seattle selected him in the fourth, I nearly plotzed. And by plotzed I mean ran around like Matt Renny after spitting out his clozapine. But Bryant has been almost all training camp story and no production to date. He wasn't a world beater at Texas A&M and he was awful during last season's preseason game against Oakland. It was his only preseason game after missing most of training camp because of a knee injury. Bryant stepped up in week 1 and looked good for most of the season -- the season he was healthy for.

A healthy, developed Bryant is everything the most deluded fanboy thinks Colin Cole can be and more. He's huge, physically dominant and quick as sin. Apart from the major storylines, Seattle may not have a greater wildcard than Bryant. The second he starts tapping into this potential is the second Seattle starts having an inside presence that strikes fear into the hearts of opposing offensive coordinators.

Ken Lucas sought redemption:

CB Ken Lucas is much more aggressive in a second practice than you'd expect from an NFL veteran with eight years of experience. He made a strong impression in the morning workout.

I'm not going to postulate what "much more aggressive" entails, but lets hope it means something like "not getting beat by Seattle's Z-string wideout". Barbs aside, it's good to read a veteran knows how to set the tone. Embarrass me once, Lucas says, and I'll up my intensity ten fold.

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Bryant and Forsett

<3

Hope they show enough to start this year.

by SPENCEMAN on Aug 1, 2009 1:32 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"Embarrass me once, Lucas says, and I'll up my intensity ten fold."

Indeed.

John, Mora said that if the season were to start today, Kerney would be at RE and Redding at LE. Kerney has been LE, anything to make of this?

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 1, 2009 1:38 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Between the two Kerney is the better speed rusher

and Redding the more stout. Compare that to Kerney and Darryl Tapp.

by John Morgan on Aug 1, 2009 2:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fewer double teams facing LTs?

I imagine that the intention.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 1, 2009 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fewer double teams.

More of an emphasis on pass rush instead of containment. More use in coverage on fire blitzes. There’s other subtle differences like the interaction with the overtackle instead of the undertackle.

by John Morgan on Aug 1, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rather...

“differences involved with the interaction with the overtackle…”

“like” is such a weak verb there it kind of strips the sentence of meaning.

by John Morgan on Aug 1, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The art of writing lay in thrift." John Maclean

Not sure how that applies here, but I’ve always liked the quote. Your correction reminded me of it.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 1, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to razz you for calling "like" a verb

but offhand I can’t think of what part of speech it is in that sentence. Conjunction?

by shams on Aug 1, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Involved with" is better

I first read the sentence to mean “differences including the interaction”….

by thebyron on Aug 4, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's good to see they moved Kerney to RE

I was wondering about that when we got Redding. Both should be better positioned to utilize their abilities.

by Hawkhammer19 on Aug 1, 2009 5:01 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree, its time.

I never liked seeing Kerney bottled-up at LDE. He’s not a huge guy and he needs to be freed up to speed rush at RDE. It’s about time! The Redding trade makes perfect sense in this light. He’s got the body for LDE. So does Lawrence Jackson, and those two should be a good tandem there. Tapp backing up Kerney at RDE makes sense too.

Redding-Bryant-Mebane-Kerney could be a Bad A$$ D Line.

by Stevo's on Aug 1, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

or Cole

“Redding-Bryant-Mebane-Kerney”

yes, I know Cole is probably penciled-in as the DT starting next to Mebane, but I still think Big Red Bryant may have something to say about that. I’ll be excited to see him develop this year.

by Stevo's on Aug 1, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We'll see how he does against this year's opposing LTs

Say what you will about Pete Prisco, the man produced the only 1-32 LT ranking I could find (inside of two minutes) on google. Week, player, ranking, comment.

1. Alex Barron, Rams. 27. (Or if it’s Jason Smith, well…welcome to the NFL.)
2. Joe Staley, Niners. 20. How has Staley fared against Seattle in the past?
3. Orlando Pace, Bears. 16. Could Kerney get around those long arms?
4. Tony Ugoh, Colts. 23.
5. Eugene Monroe or Tra Thomas, Jaguars. 22.
6. Mike Gandy, Cardinals. 21.
8. Flozell Adams, Cowboys. 12.
9. Jeff Backus, Lions. 29. Once more with feeling: the Lions pick Stafford first overall and then, do they protect their investment with their other first round pick? No, they draft a TIGHT END at 20. The Ravens front office must have just been shitting themselves. Michael Oher dropped to 23 and Baltimore grabbed him. Matt Millen may be gone but Detroit doesn’t appear to be getting many clues.
10. Mike Gandy, Cards. 21.
11. Bryant McKinnie, Vikings. 7.
12. Alex Barron, Rams. 27.
13. Joe Staley, Niners. 20.
14. Duane Brown, Texans. 26.
15. Donald Penn, Bucs. 24.
16. Chad Clifton, Packers. 11. Still in the league and kicking ass. Enjoying your retirement, Warren Sapp?
17. Michael Roos, Titans. 3.

On the whole, only two of the top ten rated tackles and eleven rated 20 or below. Should be some opportunities to feast from that side.

Thoughts?

Oh, Walter Jones is ranked 8th. Credit where it’s due. Across the four critical skill positions he has Seattle ranked 9th.

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/11812689

by shams on Aug 1, 2009 7:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"How has Staley fared against Seattle in the past?"

He’s responsible for the 2 sacks Lawrence Jackson had all season.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2009 7:08 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, the Niners blogger rated thier tackles a 'C' don't you know.

I’m guessing it wasn’t in large part due to Marvel Smith…

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 1, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't believe those idiots drafted that random TE in the 1st.

Oh, wait, it’s the Lions.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 1, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I remember this list

a while back, when I first read it. It’s actually not bad. But I love Ryan Clady #1. Because every other promising young tackle to come out and kick ass as a rookie has been not quite so stellar ever since. It’s like, everyone knows Ogden & Pace are memories and Walter Jones isn’t the best anymore, but there’s no one so better that they stand out as a consensus pick, to assume the mantle. Personally if there’s anyone not named Walter Jones on that list that deserves to be #1, it’s Jammal Brown, but all these new guys, they all show promise, from the get-go, and then year two shows something altogether different. Which is to say, Clady is picked solely because he’s the least criticized of the hot tackles of the past three years.

by jacobstevens on Aug 2, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

DL has a lot of potential

so it’s good to see guys like Bryant stepping up.

I’m looking for Dan Quinn to find good match-ups to suit each player’s strengths.

Question: Does the 3-tech line up on the strong side or the weak side, or does it much matter?

by Hawkhammer19 on Aug 1, 2009 6:36 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mebane will be next to Kerney, I believe.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 1, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dunno the answer to that question

But I didn’t realize how tall Red Bryant is. He weighs a lot, but he’s not super big around. For the way he moves, I wonder why we’ve never considered him as a LDE. He might be a better fit there than at nose, where being so tall the Center has the edge in getting under your pads.

by jacobstevens on Aug 3, 2009 10:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Am I the only one not especially enthusiastic to see Redding at DE?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2009 7:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

No. I was hoping Redding would be added depth at DT

But from it sounds like Mora and Bradley wanted a versatile player like Redding. A guy that can play DE against the run and still be effective if it turns into a pass play and a guy that slide inside and rush the passer on passing downs yet still be effective against the run if something is switched.

Sounds like a good role for Redding. Sounds like they are really thinking about how to cover their bases on defense so they aren’t caught with their pants around their knees if they make a misread.

I sort of like Redding being versatile. Then it’s like we have three DTs on the field during run downs and three DEs on the field during pass downs. If it works out like Mora and Bradley want it to, it could prove to be a great use of talent.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 1, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I still wanted Tapp to be the starter, though.

And with Redding at DE that probably notches down some extra playing time Lawrence Jackson and Baraka Atkins could have used.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 1, 2009 7:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Lo-Jack and Tapp step up, maybe they take the spot

I’m not particularly happy with Lo-Jack and Tapp. Unless they step up, I’d prefer to keep cycling other players in there until we find a dominant end to play with Kerney or replace him once in the next year or two.

I hear DEs take a while to develop, but it really depends on the DE. If Tapp and/or Lo-Jack don’t have a good year this year, they are most likely going to be nothing more than depth or second tier starters. We need a real powerhouse DE if we’re going to be a strong defense.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 1, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope to see him at both.

But maybe he’s a liability vs. the run at DT? God knows the Lions were horrific last season in that facet.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 1, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm indifferentish

if Redding does well. It seems we’d have a lot of DE depth (LoJack, Tapp, and Atkins) and little DT depth, but I suppose if 1/3 of the time, Redding is moved to DT, and if Kerney gets injured or plays a fewer percentage of the snaps, then that’s not the case.

by LantermanC on Aug 1, 2009 11:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That D-line looks like it could be stout against the run

That’s good sized D-line.

With that D-line and our LBs, we should be stout against the run.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 1, 2009 7:19 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Which, in turn,

may reduce the frequency of playing a safety in the box on run downs and allow for better pass coverage.

by ninjasocks on Aug 2, 2009 2:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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