Mansfield Wrotto Out Means Max Unger Likely to Start
by John Morgan on Aug 13, 2009 7:31 PM PDT
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Danny O'Neil reports that Walter Jones, Marcus Trufant, Grey Ruegamer and Mansfield Wrotto will not travel with the team to San Diego. The team has not confirmed it, but this means Wrotto's immediate backup, Max Unger, is likely to start at right guard. Flip the guards, and this was tied for the second least likely offensive line as determined by Seahawks readers. It's a line I really like and see as Seattle's offensive line of the future. It's a good mix of power and technique. You have powerhouse to take on the nose guard, Rob Sims. Spencer and Unger can move around and be the heart of Seattle's running game. The Seahawks have another 3-4 buster in Willis, who matches well against most 3-4 ends (and especially Calais Campbell). And the left tackle is good against the edge rush. It's also pretty cheap.
Everyone but Spencer should see reps for most of the first half. Though the move from Spencer to Steve Vallos weakens the interior, Vallos is comparable to Spencer in what he can do within the system. So the quality will change, but the playbook shouldn't. This should be very interesting.
Tomorrow: Storylines heading into the preseason.
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Just a minor back injury, eh Trufant?
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 13, 2009 7:53 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Well they did put him on the PUP
I don’t see anyone else on there. They put him on there because they knew it was gonna take a little while. Can’t judge it yet.
by Hawkhammer19 on Aug 13, 2009 7:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can't help it =/
Every tackle is a season-ending crippler to me!
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 13, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I laughed out loud when I read that.
Because it’s so damned true.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 13, 2009 9:33 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps we can play flag football this weekend.
Then maybe I could play…waterboy.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 14, 2009 8:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This Trufant injury is really disturbing
What the heck is going on?
I heard Bradley on the radio today saying the other guys had to step up. There was no Trufant’s injury is minor or he’ll be back by the season opener. It sounds like Trufant is really hurt and we won’t be seeing him for a while. What the heck did he do to his back that he isn’t able to see any of training camp.
The man just got a huge contract and now he’s hurt his back. Just ridiculous Seahawk luck.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 13, 2009 11:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most reports are that the Seahawks are not taking any chances with Trufant's back.
After what happened with Matt Hasselbeck’s back last year, they are not taking ANY chances.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 14, 2009 12:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm starting to worry as well.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Aug 14, 2009 2:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I think it'll be OK
We don’t really even NEED him for the first two regular season games: Rams and 49ers.
Both teams only have one major receiving threat, both of which could be effectively covered by the likes of Lucas or Wilson.
If he misses more games past that … then we start to get in trouble.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 14, 2009 7:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I had a dream last night
that Larry Fitzgerald was injured and out for the year. It was a good dream. Oddly, I think that was the entirety of the dream.
by Fear on Aug 14, 2009 10:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wait, the 49ers have a receiving threat?
I thought he was holding out.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 14, 2009 10:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have a girlfriend.
Unfortunately, she’s also holding out.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 14, 2009 10:58 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
What's this? A team holding out an established, soon to be 29 year-old veteran?
How can this be?
/not worried whatsoever
//unless he misses real games
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 14, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While implementing a brand new (possibly to the league) scheme
they PUP’d him on the first day of training camp. Does this qualify as mere “holding out”?
by jacobstevens on Aug 14, 2009 12:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It saves a roster spot for camp.
This strategy would align with the Glenn Beck approach* to back injuries.
*Conservative, not bat-shit crazy
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 14, 2009 1:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A valid point.
But the same could be said for Hasselbeck, Walter or Kerney, among others. Jones’ back issue surfaced at basically the same time.
I think roster strategy and being conservative and cautious with an injury, we’re just looking for reasons to believe what we want to believe, that the back injury isn’t that serious. If they anticipated him being able to practice at any time during proper training camp, before practicing for the preseason started, there would be such negligible value in PUP’ing him (the day of the injury!), it’s just a bit of a stretch to think of roster strategy as the primary driving factor in not having him practice for these two weeks, rather than an actual back injury that actually warrants this kind of recovery timetable.
by jacobstevens on Aug 14, 2009 1:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Someone can correct me if I'm wrong, but...
I think going on the PUP list means you didn’t pass your physical when camp started. It’s not like the baseball Disabled List where you can move guys on and off.
In other words, the other guys you mentioned were healthy enough to pass their requisite physical exam; Trufant wasn’t so he goes on the inactive list until he does.
When he’s deemed healthy enough, they can activate him and cut somebody else. Like Airborne said, he doesn’t count against the roster while he’s in that state, so might as well play it safe and leave him there until he’s really ready to go.
by busplunger on Aug 14, 2009 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This further corroborates my point
Back spasms from during an initial drill, suffered while turning during backpedalling, that results in a failed physical doesn’t sound to me like just a ‘tweak" that only needs rest, and only gets excessive rest because it’s camp and he’s a vet. By cut-down time, anyone who remains on the PUP can’t be taken off of it until Week 6 of the regular season, or something along those lines, it’s not something you see teams take very lightly.
I dunno if you’re trying to argue that the PUP constitutes playing it safe, because that’s not what I’m arguing about. I’m simply refuting the idea that playing it safe (certainly the company line in this case) using the PUP is evidence that his injury isn’t serious. That’s the ridiculous part. It’s well within possibility that his injury isn’t serious, I understand. That’s not anywhere close to established, and there’s no apparent purpose served by trying to dismiss our concerns about the severity of the injury by pointing out that they’re just being cautious, which is pure conjecture.
by jacobstevens on Aug 14, 2009 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was mainly commenting on your comparison with Hasselbeck/Jones/Kerney
Jones, for example, was ready to practice on day one; Trufant wasn’t. PUP is for pre-camp injuries, so Trufant can go on the list but Jones can’t.
If the team has decided that they’re going to give Trufant a week or however long he needs to effectively take a break and rest up, then they might as well stamp “fail” on his physical exam and use up the roster spot, if they’re so inclined. They can take him off PUP whenever they want to activate him.
You’re right in that the regular-season PUP designation (these are the only two times you can put a guy on the PUP list) has additional rules and restrictions, so obviously you want him off of it by then (for roster reasons and health/practice reasons).
And I totally agree that the PUP marker has no bearing on anything we know about the injury; I was just making a note about its usage for those who were wondering.
I guess all I was getting at is that “physically unable to perform” sounds kinda ominous, but as long as it’s training camp, he can come off the list any time. Not that he will, just that he can, roster-wise. Let’s hope he does.
by busplunger on Aug 14, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But a lot of teams do take the pre-season PUP lightly.
Because a player can be off of it at any time during pre-season. The Pats have Ty Warren on it. the Ravens have McGahee, Ed Reed, and Grubbs on/off it so far. I know we’re all a little paranoid because of the whole Branch saga last year, but it is fairly common for vets around the League to start camp on PUP for a variety of minor bumps and bruises.
IMO, the roster management reason makes plenty of sense. It allows the team to keep the full compliment of 80 players practicing on the field, instead of the 79 + Tru sitting on the bench. They immediately filled his spot with another CB. This means that when it comes time to run drills/scrimmage they have enough bodies in the secondary to trot out complete units without having to switch guys around, or start playing Babs out of position again. They seem to have a plan for where they want each member of the secondary to settle in, and this allows them to work on installing the new scheme with everyone in their natural position, while just subbing Jennings or Fisher in for Tru. IMO, there’s more than negligible value in that.
In the end, you’re totally right – we’re all just looking for reasons to believe what we want to believe. But I just don’t think there’s enough evidence in either direction at this point. This early in camp, I’ll take the team at it’s word. If Tru’s still on PUP a week before the season starts, then I’ll be worried.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
by jteckmann on Aug 14, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Border line on the politics talk, as I'm sure BrianL or another mod will point out.
Also possibly false, since he starts his radio show every morning with some comment about his listeners being sick freaks, whatever that means.
by LantermanC on Aug 14, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Glenn Beck?
You mean the guy that “stands by” his denouncement of the president as a racist?
Anyhoo, Trufant please get bett0r!@!
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 15, 2009 3:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
the Max scouting report
I have watched a lot of Oregon games and here is what I saw. A really good athlete,if he had grown up in Europe instead of the Big Island he would be making the big bucks as a power forward at his age.excellent foot work and fast accurate decision making also a good down field blocker,seals off the backside pursuit well. What he aint due to his high center of gravity is a short yardage guy but thats what Sims and Willis are for.
by southern oregon on Aug 13, 2009 10:36 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seems to be on point with the rest of the scouting reports on Unger.
I like his versatility and ‘good at football-ness’, so I’m really optimistic that Unger will be an asset on the line, hopefully in the near future.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 13, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Same here
And we’ll see on Saturday!
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 14, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmm...
“making big bucks as a power forward?”
Dude is 6’5" 309. I get it, you are expressing that he is athletic, but he would be 3 inches shorter than the shortest power forwards making “big bucks” and most power forwards are 6’9"-6’11" if they’re “making big bucks.” And they tend to be pretty athletic too.
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 14, 2009 8:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different game in Europe
And he sure looks taller than 6’5"
by southern oregon on Aug 14, 2009 2:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
From Farnesworth:
“Aaron Curry will play a large majority of Saturday’s opener and will play many different roles in San Diego”
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 14, 2009 12:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reportedly, he's going to play a few snaps at RDE
It should be a decent test of his pass-rush ability.
by ninjasocks on Aug 14, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's all about establishing an inside move.
That’s all I want to see. Though two sacks would be okay too.
by John Morgan on Aug 14, 2009 12:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In what formation would he be value added at RDE over a true DE?
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 14, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nickel
Which allows Seattle to have a 4-2/3-3 that can flex and adjust to the opponent.
by John Morgan on Aug 14, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Is it unreasonable to think
that he could develop to the extent that he’d also simply become more valuable there than your average given end, in a straight up comparison, similar to, say, Mike Vrabel?
by jacobstevens on Aug 14, 2009 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks.
This will be interesting development to watch for during the preseason.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 14, 2009 1:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
For what it's worth...
"If there’s one thing I would look for, watch Aaron Curry and see how he rushes as an end," Mora said. "We’re going to find out a little bit, you know? I’m excited to see it."
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
by Dukeshire on Aug 14, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What CAN'T this man do?
Oh, right… Premature…
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 15, 2009 3:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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