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Should Walter Jones Start If He Can't Practice before September?

This quote from Jim Mora courtesy Seahawks Insider...

"In a perfect scenario, you could have them every day of training camp, but that's just not the way it is," he said. "So, as long as we set it-I mean it-by that Wednesday, I think we'll be okay. It won't be perfect, but it'll be what it is, and we'll make the best of it."

sparks an interesting discussion. If Walter Jones cannot practice before September, but the team believes him to be fully healthy, should he start week one at left tackle? I ask your opinion because I've been thinking it over and am not sure I know the right answer.

Seattle did not put Jones on the PUP list to start training camp. That prevents Seattle from putting Jones on the PUP list to start the season, meaning that either Jones will be healthy, Jones will not be healthy but be on the 53 man roster or that the Seahawks will put Jones on the IR. Assuming Jones and the team do not decide he is still seriously injured or just no longer physically capable of playing, he isn't likely to start the season on the injured reserve. So he's taking a spot.

Jones held out of training camp from 2002 to 2004 and was named to three consecutive Pro Bowls, a second-team All-Pro (2002) and a first team All-Pro (2004). He did not allow a single sack in 2004. At the same time, I remember Jones' presence in training camp in 2005 being cited for the offensive line's cohesiveness and resulting dominance. That could be a classic case of explaining the unexplainable: the too human tendency to look for connections where there's only coincidence, but it could also be true.

Cohesiveness seems especially important this season. Seattle has a new offensive system and is implementing a zone blocking scheme. That scheme is both very different from Mike Holmgren's drive blocking scheme, and more interdependent.

So, to reiterate and flesh out, does Seattle honor Walter Jones talent and start him any way they can? Is Jones still so talented he deserves such honor? Or is Seattle honoring only Jones' legacy and importance to the fans and damaging the team's chances to contend in 2009?

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Even if the answer is that they shouldn't start him

week 1, considering only that scenario, straight up, that answer is then further complicated by our depth at tackle. I think that’s what the team began to find the answer to, yesterday.

No Walt means Locklear at left. Locklear there means something at both RT and potentially RG. Locklear and Willis starting means one of the steepest downgrades to replacement on the roster, although we’re learning that perhaps CB contends for that title as well. If, say, the team really feels that Unger is not ready at RG, nor Wrotto, and it’s a concern, but they have to take the plunge on not starting Walt, and putting Locklear there, or putting Locklear at RG, because they can count on him and they have the most talented 5 guys starting, pick your poison, what do you do? I don’t know the right answer.

But yeah, It’s not a foregone that Walt can just step in and do it well. it’s not like all the other camps. ZBS theoretically means he needs more reps. While I’m sure not getting reps next to Walt affects Sims’ progress in adapting to it, I wonder if “the blind spot” possibly is less in need of adjustment than the other 4 spots. On the edge, are you really only blocking a space? A man coming off the edge or through the B gap becomes blitz pickup responsibility; if a guy really takes the edge wouldn’t it be better for the tackle to keep him and the back to simply step into the pocket and chip the gap rusher?

Run blocking is different. And I think is more of a concern. For one, we’ve already run the stretch quite a bit — everyone does — but that was hat on hat, so without reps, how surely does Walt adapt? How much space between him and Sims does he leave? Or if Sims pulls, how does he manage the space he’s assigned? Cutting on the backside — will he get that down adequately? (Aside: I can’t imagine it would take long for defenders to fear the potent devastation from a nasty Ray Willis cut block).

We have time to figure this out, but I don’t really know the answer. I think if the other guys show they’ve stepped up enough, Walt is out that long, gets no reps, and isn’t necessarily healthy, I would prefer he be held out until that is no longer the case. That’s a lot of contingencies, though.

by jacobstevens on Aug 18, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions  

I think it depends on the rest of our line.

So far I’ve liked what I’ve seen from our line, but I don’t trust the left side all that much. So if our left side is looking weak going into the season, but we like the rest of the line, then I think you put him in, cohesiveness be damned. And if he struggles during the season and is clearly over matched and a liability, then look at replacing him. We’re only talking about one man on a five person line, and one that is good enough that I suspect he can adapt to the new schemes without the practice.

Honestly though, I don’t think this becomes a critical issue until around the 3rd preseason game. Until then, we’re still early and Jones still has time to practice with the rest of the line. If he’s still out and misses the 3rd game, then it starts to become a critical issue.

by Fear on Aug 18, 2009 6:18 PM PDT reply actions  

I like this answer

it’s shorter than mine, and readable.

by jacobstevens on Aug 18, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do What is Best for Jones and Hawks

Jones may not like this suggestion, but it could be best for his longevity and for OL cohesiveness to put together the best front 5 possible without Jones for September. Mora discloses the honest truth—it is imperfect with or without Jones.

A healthy Jones as a backup is far better than an endangered Jones as a starter. If for some reason Walt gets healthy within the next week or so, then the line still might have enough time to pull together.

We honor Jones by allowing him to recover completely.

by Hawksince76 on Aug 18, 2009 6:38 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think anyone knows the answer.

Not even Walt. He could be the worst LT in the league, he could be one of the best. It depends on how well his knee has healed, whether his back can be strong enough, whether he has good mobility or bad. Since he hasn’t even practiced the coaches do not even know the answer.

If he does not practice the first week the coaches will not put him out there. If he can make it through three practices and still feels good on Saturday(and doesn’t look like a bum) I think the coaches can feel comfortable putting him out there and I don’t feel like that would be hurting the team.

by cashless on Aug 18, 2009 6:43 PM PDT reply actions  

Let Jones rest until week 3...

If we look at the schedule for the first three games: Rams, Niners, and Bears. The Bears are the only team of the three that has a legitimate pass rush. I say, let him rest til then. He’s got 6 weeks to rest that back of his.

by PoolNinja on Aug 18, 2009 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

You beat me to it, but I believe the opposite

I think it’s perfectly logical to start him week 1 and 2 because we’re playing fairly weak opponents. If we were starting with strong opponents, I’d probably play Walt off the bench to see how he performs before committing to starting him.

Pre-season and our first two regular season games is the perfect time for Jones to ease back into the lineup and to grasp the zone blocking concept. Week 3 will be the true test.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 19, 2009 7:57 AM PDT up reply actions  

If Walter Jones cannot practice before September, but the team believes him to be fully healthy

And assuming if the team believes him to be fully healthy, then he is fully healthy, and if he is then yes absolutely he should start. Locklear still looks better on the right side then the left; maybe because he knows it better, maybe because he needs the help.

The only part that’s a little worrisome is the backside cut blocks, which pretty much most the o-line failed at in the first preseason game, simply because that’s something they don’t follow through all the way on in practice.

by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 18, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Resting until Week 3...

…sounds great in terms of giving Walt’s back lots of time to heal. It also means a good window for the coaches to watch his knee in drills to see how gingerly he’s being after the microfracture procedure.

My concern with the idea is that while the Bears have the passrush as PoolNinja correctly pointed out, I don’t like the idea of treating two divisional games at the start of the season ‘lightly’. Maybe starting Jones when he’s not the best man for the job is doing exactly that, though.

Feels too soon to know without more info about the power in Walt’s legs. Microfracture surgery is crazy, uncertain stuff and even with a healthy back he could be on the turf in a heap the first time he turns his knee funny or gets rolled up on.

by CortezKennedy4Prez! on Aug 18, 2009 9:50 PM PDT reply actions  

I would have the same concern,

if it weren’t for the fact I think the Rams and 49ers will both be drafting in the top 5 next season.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 19, 2009 11:42 AM PDT up reply actions  

I cant help but think of Orlando Pace and his last season in St. Louis....

Maybe this is a hard question to answer because we haven’t even gotten to the 2nd pre-season game but I believe he should not start if he cannot practice.

What if he never gets healthy? What if this is the healthiest he will be all season? What if this is really a way of getting out most of training camp and he does start Week 1? What can we expect then?

Is it logical to believe that he will be ‘fine’ with little or no practice time? jacobstevens makes a strong point. There is something to be said about the time everyone else is putting in TOGETHER. Nothing would make me happier than to see him come out of that tunnel September 13 and hear his name called but in the back of my mind, I will saying to myself Walt was Seahawks Football.

by Seahawka 12th on Aug 19, 2009 7:24 AM PDT reply actions  

Deja vu

Ugh, this reminds me of the Tubbs situation. Major knee issues; reports of making good progress in the off-season; unable to do much of anything in training camp. It makes me a little sick to my stomach to think Walt could really be done. It does not look good.

by jeager on Aug 19, 2009 10:05 AM PDT reply actions  

The five best players should be on the field

If Walt is healthy and is the best option at left tackle he should play regardless of practice time.

by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2009 10:23 AM PDT reply actions  

I think Walt is one of the rare elite few who can still play at a high level regardless of scheme.

I could be 100% wrong, but that’s just how I feel.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 19, 2009 11:43 AM PDT reply actions  

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