Marcus Trufant Out with Intervertebral Disc
by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2009 8:44 PM PDT
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Everyone has been careful how they have worded it, but Marcus Trufant is out with a intervertebral disc "not unlike" the one suffered by Matt Hasselbeck. Hasselbeck missed most of the season with a spinal disc herniation.
Trufant may be the single most indispensable player on Seattle's defense. A use of zone coverage will somewhat hide his absence, but by pushing Josh Wilson into the starting lineup, Seattle weakens its starting cornerback tandem and especially its nickel defense. Kelly Jennings could sub for Wilson at right cornerback on nickel downs, allowing Wilson to slot into nickelback. At right cornerback, Jennings would cover or team to cover its opponent's number one receiver. Kelly Jennings could play in half of Seattle's downs and most of its highest leverage downs against its opponent's best recceiver. Receivers like Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson.
Doom-speak demagoguery done, a slipped disc or the bleaker sounding spinal disc herniation is not a serious condition. Hasselbeck is not a logical model for Trufant's recovery. It's possible Trufant's pain can be treated with anti-inflammatories. He's much younger and more athletic than Hasselbeck and does not have Hasselbeck's injury history. Though Jim Mora said the team is planning to start the season without Trufant, it was with the qualfier:
"I think you absolutely have to think in those terms," Mora said after practice Wednesday. "I think you make a mistake if you don't. Plan for the worst, and hope for the best.
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I'm hoping we don't have to play the Will We PUP Him Or Not game when the rosters are trimmed to 53.
Get better, Marcus.
by BrianL on Aug 19, 2009 8:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I don't know, at least he's PUP'ed
The odds have to be pretty good that Walt retires before the season right?
by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd imagine that hinges on what the scope finds.
If it’s normal cleanup he could play this season. Anything more than that and who knows?
As for Marcus, the team can keep him on the PUP list if he can’t pass a physical by the time the roster is cut to 53 but that would mean he would miss the first six weeks of the season.
by BrianL on Aug 19, 2009 9:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Which is weird because you'd think they would be ok without Walt for the first 6 weeks
and would want the flexibility to get Trufant back on the field ASAP.
by Nate Dogg on Aug 19, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Read this, slumped shoulders, emitted audible sigh:
Kelly Jennings could play in half of Seattle’s downs and most of its highest leverage downs against its opponent’s best recceiver. Receivers like Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 19, 2009 8:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Sooo, the picture is to say we could have drafted Smith and avoided all this?
Because with the way this season is shaping up, I’d still rather have the 1st and draft for the next season.
by cashless on Aug 19, 2009 9:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
No
Good picture tangentially related to the story and nothing more.
by John Morgan on Aug 19, 2009 9:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently the guys at Mile High Report are loving him
Alphonso Smith is going to be a top-notch player in the NFL for a long time. His pass breakup when he got his feet tangled on the play was a thing of beauty, and he looked explosive (like always) returning kicks. I’ve been saying it since before the draft, so I’ll keep saying it. The Broncos are never going to regret trading for the pick they used to take him.
When they see Kyle Orton play during the regular season, they might change their minds about this whole matter.
by aerozeppelin on Aug 19, 2009 9:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Whatever they have to tell themselves
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Aug 20, 2009 7:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, but then we wouldn't have Max Unger
And a mid-high first rounder next year.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 20, 2009 9:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One reason why Matt's case is different from Tru's
They didn’t know what the heck was going on with Matt for a long time. It seems like they’ve been able to diagnose Trufant a lot earlier, which may result in a quicker recovery (than most of the season).
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 19, 2009 9:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm feeling good about it
The team knows EXACTLY how to rehab this kind of injury and we won’t truly NEED him until week 3, when we host the Bears.
He’s got nealry 5 weeks to heal up. And as John mentioned, he’s much younger and more athletic. He can do it.
Don’t despair, guys. He’ll be back in ‘tru’ form (sorry, I really couldn’t help myself).
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 19, 2009 9:36 PM PDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
your optimism is offensive
in some weird way.
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 19, 2009 9:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You'll thank me later
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 19, 2009 9:45 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
i want to be wrong
trust me, he’s my favorite Seahawk.
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 19, 2009 9:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
way to be a negative nancy
Your daughter is beautiful btw, I saw a picture on myspace. Congratulations! We need to get a game in at Zenith before the weather turns to mush…
by vanrijn on Aug 20, 2009 2:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks
I’d be a little less creeped out if I had any idea who this is?
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 20, 2009 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's weird....
Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 21, 2009 12:09 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We keep acting like weeks one and two are gimmes
but I’m terrified of jinxing it.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, we were 4-12, we have no right to consider gimmes right now.
by jacobstevens on Aug 20, 2009 11:12 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
3/4 wins were from these opponents
Of course they’re not gimmes, but the risk is a lot lower than against other opponents.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 20, 2009 11:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're crazy.
The sky is falling. I will have none of this “logic” nonsense!
by Fear on Aug 20, 2009 12:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So we can handle the Truf?
Sorry about that. Couldn’t help myself either.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 20, 2009 7:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
San Fran absolutely torched our secondary in week two last year.
The Rams have a bunch of kids catching the ball but could be markedly improved.
Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 20, 2009 10:15 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
And we sacked their QB how many time? 8?
So pressure on the QB wasn’t the issue.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 20, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Martz
He’s the reason why we gave big passing plays and they gave up a bunch of sacks. If the new SF offensive depends on the run game and over-the-middle passes, we should be in a lot better shape (hopefully).
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 20, 2009 11:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more concerned with the fact that this means Kelly Jennings gets far more play time.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 19, 2009 9:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Definitely not.
Crossing my finger that Travis Fisher suddenly lives up to his 2nd round status.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree.
Lets not forget that Tru still has not practiced. So when he’s cleared to play, it might be another 2 weeks before he sees legitimate playing time. OW!! Just had a visual of Kelly Jennings and Brian Russell double teaming Fitzgerald.
by jmass33 on Aug 20, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gag..ugh..glurk...
This pizza doesn’t look appetizing anymore…
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2009 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can we get a Jennings .gif?
Surely there are some examples w/out Russell in the picture… hee
Sign a corner? Trade for a corner? Crap.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 19, 2009 10:15 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Soooo, what do we know about this Travis Fisher kid?
He played the most out of all the corners in the preseason game, but I haven’t heard much about him or remember him screwing up. Maybe he did well since everyone was picking on Hobbs/Jennings? I don’t remember, I might try and watch part of the game again. Would be a good thing to keep an eye on for the next game at least.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 19, 2009 10:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Finding Fisher
Yeah I don’t recall hearing much about Fisher in the mini-camp reports. Maybe he’s just that stealthy; He’ll sneak up on Fitzgerald, Driver, Gonzalez and POP goes the tipped pass.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 19, 2009 11:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh Man
Please heal quick Tru.
Jennings is going to have to step it up big time, but I don’t know if he’s capable
by TheSteelersRuinedMyBirthday on Aug 19, 2009 11:40 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I pressed the button...
…and my phone rang. It was Kelly Jennings. He said, “Everything is going to be fine, I got this.”
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 20, 2009 7:10 AM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
And then a ball bounced off his face and into a WR's hands
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 20, 2009 9:04 AM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
For a long touchdown to ice the game for the other team.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 9:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or even worse
He actually makes a perfect play on the ball, has the ball in his hands, then Brian Russell comes flying out of nowhere to tackle him to the turf. The ball bounces up, WR catches and cake-walks in for an easy TD.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 20, 2009 9:56 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
...to ice the game for the other team.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looks like another season of
watch and see how it goes. Jones and Trufant out hurt both of our most questionable positions. I hate how the Seahawks always seem out of whack somewhere. Last year the receivers, the year before the RBs, the year before the D-line. It’s like we can’t get it all lined up again for any reason. Always some huge hole appears in our game that looks to ruin our season.
I hope this defense is for real this year. Not sure how they can be with a suspect secondary. It will help immensely if our D-line is as strong as it looks. A good D-line will let us keep more in coverage without shading a safety to the line for run support. That will help our secondary quite a bit.
No more key injuries please. No more disaster seasons.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 20, 2009 5:58 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested in seeing how this affects the position battle
Blessing in disguise perhaps? ok, not really but here me out….. it’s certainly no secret that we have little to no faith in Kelly’s ability to cover right corner but if I were Mora, it would be a priority to make everyone at CB aware that the battle is going to intesify and that its time to go into overdrive and assure all of Seattle that the secondary is in good hands.
Maybe this will spark something we haven’t quite seen from Josh, Kelly, Hobbs(looooong shot) and Fisher. Show a little faith in your guys EVEN if they aren’t your guys.
Reminiscing about that post John put up right before the draft suggesting Seattle choose Ohio State CB Malcom Jenkins at #4, which I agreed with 100%. It was love at first sight for Who-Dat nation.
by Seahawka 12th on Aug 20, 2009 7:35 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Will you still believe that...
three years from now, when he is Antrelle Rolle II, playing safety. Meanwhile, back in the Emerald City, Aaron Curry’s name is bandied about with DeMarcus Ware and Patrick Willis as to who is the most terrorizing and punishing LB in the league?!?
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 20, 2009 8:06 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
to play devils advocate
How much has Patrick Willis helped the NIners defense? They are still shit.
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 20, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Curry long term > Willis
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Continuing on this line of thought,
I’d rather get a linebacker that can actually force turnovers rather than tackle a million times because no one else will.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 10:49 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
are you coming around on Curry? Surely I can't believe my eyes.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 11:55 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am going to go ahead and press the panic button again.
Obviously, FF has been kidnapped.
Child please...
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 20, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And replaced by a robot double.
Watch out for those laser eyes!
by Fear on Aug 20, 2009 12:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No, I'm just saying I don't really want someone like Patrick Willis if someone who can do what I said is available.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If average is shit
Then yes. Otherwise, no.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 2:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just devil's advocating here,
but in 2007, Willis’ first season with the team, the defense was still pretty shit. This season, it went from shit to just smelly, facing some piss-poor offensive teams and the defense only improving somewhat in run defense because Aubrayo Franklin had a decent season.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Summary: ILBs don't transform defenses, no matter how good they are.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
or: Summary: (One Player Doesn't) transform defenses...
I guess we will get a chance to check out the Albert Haynesworth experiment over in Washington to see if DTs singlehandedly transform defenses, I don’t expect him to.
by cro-mag! on Aug 20, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed with this point as well
Obviously one great player won’t make the whole defense good. I don’t think subbing any other MLB for Willis (Ray Lewis, Tatupu, etc) would have helped much.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 3:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know,
in my opinion, DeMarcus Ware is the only thing preventing Dallas’s defense from being one of the NFL’s worst.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't agree with that opinion
One guy doesn’t make a defense no matter how good. You put LT the original on a bad team and that defense will still be bad.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:23 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Lawrence Taylor is the wrong guy to pick for that example
Detroit would scare the shit out of every team in the league with LT gunnin for their QB. They might not be a top ten D… but they’d have to change their entire gameplan.
by trippsixxes on Aug 22, 2009 12:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That 'D' was good last year, weren't they?
Well, they were 11th in DVOA. A top 10 or higher finish would seem likely, esp. if they get something from their DEs.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They were 18th in Defensive DVOA (17th in Run Defense DVOA)
So they were basically average last year. I think he definitely makes a big difference there. But I agree with the general point that a pass rusher like Demarcus Ware would be more valuable than Willis, just for the basic reason that passing is more important to winning than running and ILB’s main responsibility is stopping the run.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
if Curry can develop gret pass rushing skills
would he be more trans formative to a defense then a player like Willis?
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 20, 2009 4:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not sure
OLB’s in a 4-3 usually aren’t rushing the passer as much as OLB’s in a 3-4, but have more coverage responsibilities. I would imagine thier effects are pretty similiar.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 20, 2009 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"if Curry can develop gret pass rushing skills"
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 8:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The book?
pg.248 has Redskins defensive DVOA at 0.8% (11th overall, 11th rushing, 15th passing). Not sure where you got those numbers – maybe the net has newer/changed ones? I hope my book isn’t dated just that quick… !
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 10:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Patrick Willis a solid building block
And Demarcus Ware would be no better if Dallas couldn’t stop the run. Good teams can switch what they do on offense. And if Dallas were weak against the run, they would just switch it up and start running the ball and blocking Demarcus out of the play.
San Fran needs a good DT and a good DE.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hahhahaahaha...
I think you may need to be outlawed from commenting on anything that has the thought/word “average” in it…
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 21, 2009 9:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I wasn't saying the team was good...
just that Curry’s name will be put up in that upper echelon 3 years from now. Significantly different thought processes.
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 20, 2009 4:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 3 years
Tru will be 32, Lofa and Leroy will both be 29.
I refuse to believe any of the current CB’s on our roster will be starting, let alone be on the team in 3 years, with maybe the exception of Wilson. With the corp of the linebacking crew set, assuming Lofa and Leroy would still be our linebackers, why not have a Jenkins who will have been in the system for that amount of time and will have grown within the organiztion as the eventual successor to Tru when his time in Blue is thru.
It comes down to a question of:
Do you want and CB who can play and learn from an aging Marcus Trufant and eventually take over for him and have a potentially wicked CB tandem? Or do you go safe and pick up this LB from Wake Forest who will probably go great with our current guys but we will dumping tons of money into a postion where talent can be found rather easily? (“Once in a Decade” talent in this case but c’mon, we had Julian Peterson!)
I guess in the end, this injury sucks for the short term ONLY because who we are counting on now and although I wouldn’t be totally at ease with the idea of a rookie first rounder starting in place of a injured Trufant, it makes sense 3 years down the road.
by Seahawka 12th on Aug 20, 2009 10:19 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Do you want and CB who can play and learn from an aging Marcus Trufant and eventually take over for him and have a potentially wicked CB tandem? "
this is sort of a false-choice, because by most accounts Jenkins is going to be a good nickel corner, a good cover-2 corner, a slow starting man to man corner, or possibly a good converted safety. that is NOT what you are looking for in a top 5 pick. If champ bailey was in this draft he would have been worth a look at #4, but jenkins is not that kind of player.
by cro-mag! on Aug 20, 2009 10:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree 100%.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 11:57 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep...
that’s what I was trying to say, less eloquently, prior to reading your response….
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 20, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never said Jenkins wasn't a reach
You still have to be able to field a team if/when injuries happen He certainly is physical enough to play corner, nickel and especially safety and he helps upgrade those positions right away.
At the time, it made sense to grab him but it would have made more sense to trade down and fill the depth in the secondary. No one wanted to trade up.
by Seahawka 12th on Aug 20, 2009 1:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't see...
a lot of teams trading down at will.
I also think Curry at 4 was the OPPOSITE of a reach. It was a logical and EASY choice. I’m glad we made it.
Yes, we still need to field a team when injuries happen, but that doesn’t mean you reach and draft a versatile player at 4th overall. You draft the BPA and hope it works it. It looks like it will… and as far as upgrading “those positions right away” that’s great. He very well may have. But that’s neither here nor there, because he didn’t prove to be the elite of the elite, the type of guy you draft 4th overall.
You can rosterbate all you want, but you even answer your own rosterbation with the line, “no one wanted to trade up.” So we were “stuck with Curry.” I’m still very very good with that.
I’m drunk and just played 18 holes of golf, so not sure if my argument is coming across right, bottom line, I am quite happy we are exactly where we are right now, and if you don’t stop regretting moves we didn’t make and possibilities we couldn’t pull off, you’ll never appreciate the great place we are right now due to the wya we drafted…
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 20, 2009 5:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think I would have rather drafted Sean Smith later.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 10:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"worth a look?"
I wish Champ Bailey was comin out next year… screw Bradford and Berry/Mays… that’s what this team needs.
by trippsixxes on Aug 22, 2009 12:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right...
we should have reached at 4 for a guy who would have been there at 14 and is an NFL safety after a year or two, simply because we have an injured CB right now….
Jenkins wouldn’t be “taking over for Trufant” he’d be sliding over…. to safety.
Curry isn’t just a “safe pick” he’s an elite pick. ENJOY HIM!
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 20, 2009 5:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? I thought the big deal about Curry was that he was the guy with the least chance to bust,
which is why all the crappy teams with the shitty defenses drafting that early wanted him.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We won't know much
about Curry until he plays a few seasons. Right now he’s all hype.
I think he’ll work out. But this groin injury also pisses me off. I think they pushed him too much too early. I wish they had waited until he had a few weeks of training camp to send him into the game.
I also don’t like that they are pushing him to be a pass rusher. They should ease him into pass rushing and not expect him to be a JP like presence. At the moment they should be helping him translate his skillset to the NFL and once he masters that, then push pass rushing.
But we’ll see how it all works out. I just hope poor coaching and desperation to replace Ju-P’s sack potential doesn’t hurt our young rookies potential and confidence. Pass rushing isn’t something learned over night. Even guys that have done it their entire college career sometimes have trouble translating their skill to the NFL level.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What? Really?
That’s the only reason people were high on Curry? It’s almost like you’ve ignored everything written about him leading up to and since the draft.
by BrianL on Aug 21, 2009 8:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Forgive me, I forgot he can run in a straight line exceptionally fast for someone that size.
I’m kidding, of course.
But really, everything I read about Curry has either to do with his humble beginnings and his triumph story, how he’s worked hard, is a class act, or had a great combine.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 21, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Are you serious?
Is that all you read about? The combine piqued my interest. It’s rare to see LBs his size that fast.
But what sealed the deal for me was:
1. Highlights: He was great at shedding tackles. He returned interceptions for TDs and if you watch one during his junior year you can see that when he gets going he is very hard to stop. Tackling ability. Heyward Bey that super fast guy Oakland drafted was shot down by Curry almost as soon as he caught the ball. I don’t see many LBs that fast to the receiver. He really does move sideline to sideline.
2. That workout on Youtube: Watching Curry do a 374 lb power clean that wasn’t crisp weight lifting technique but an almost pure display of power impressed me. You do any power cleans? I have before. Only got to about 240 for reps. It’s a very hard and dangerous exercise that requires a great deal of power and stability throughout the body. Most people can’t even deadlift 300 lbs much less power clean it. Impressed the hell out of me.
3. Production: He improved every year in college. That’s a feat in and of itself. Some guys have down years after a good year, but Curry got better. He set a goal of becoming the number one LB in the country and he succeeded. That tells you he has drive, a strong work ethic, and the ability to improve. I like players that set goals and then achieve them. I have no doubt that once Curry gets the bright lights out of his eyes he will set some goals and work to achieve them. If history is any indicator of future success, he will succeed.
That is what sold me on Curry. The combine and draft boards only piqued my interest. It was research that made me want to see him as a Seahawk.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well,
By taking one of the best LBs to come around in a long time and adding him onto a very productive young tandem in Hill/Tatupu we have a secured Top-10 LB corps for… 4 years? 5?
Isn’t eliminating the entire LB position from 5 years of drafts a HUGE deal?
Of course, this is all assuming that Curry will be top-tier linebacker.
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 20, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Isn’t eliminating the entire LB position from 5 years of drafts a HUGE deal?"
Not really. I’m still having trouble finding a historically elite NFL defense that featured 3 great LBs as their centerpiece.
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by Fearless Frog on Aug 21, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The New York Giants and the Pittsburgh Steelers?
Those defenses didn’t have elite LBs? I think they did.
Baltimore Ravens? I think they did too.
Three LBs alone don’t make a defense. But the New York Giant Super Bowl team had three great LBs. LT, Carl Banks, Harry Carson. And look up the Crunch Bunch as NYG had more great LBs. I think almost every great defense in history had a great LB or two or three.
But they aren’t going to look all that great if you don’t get some pieces to go around them. They can’t play defense alone.
Can you name a great defense that didn’t have at least a linebacker or two that wasn’t great or very good? I can’t think of many. Look how badly Denver’s defense crumbled after they lost Al Wilson.
Look how much better Miami’s defense became when they picked up Joey Porter. I believe that was without Jason Taylor their all star DE.
I’m not sure you’re trying too hard to find historically great defenses with great LBs.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean in terms of
we can focus on reinforcing other positions.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 22, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We could get back into semantics here....
Depending on what you define as “historically elite,” the ’06 Ravens might qualify. Ray Lewis, Bart Scott and Adalius Thomas….that D was first in the league in both points and yards against.
Nate Dogg did a great fanpost about this a few months back.
by thebyron on Aug 22, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sorry...
I didn’t spell check a randomly oddball name.
The thought still holds though, that Jenkins is in the near future, an NFL satety, not a cornerback, which is what this knee jerk reaction to Tru’s injury is shaping up to be…
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 20, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins was an elite CB in college.
I don’t see why a marginally slower 40 time than expected is making him already a safety.
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by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Because it is the most determining measurable of a cornerback's success coming out of the draft.
And it was bad for a Cornerback and marginal-bad for a Safety.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
But what about the fact that the 40 yard dash is a joke in it of itself?
I find it hysterical that anyone would truly judge a player based on that at all.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 10:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tim Tebow is an elite QB in college
Jamarcus Russell was too.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 21, 2009 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
So were...
Two of my favorite players when I was growing up, Tony Rice and Major Harris…
Rick Mirer…
Timmy Chang…
Tommy Frazier…
This is an easy game we could play for a long time… but yeah, being an elite college guy doesn’t make you a great pro player.
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 21, 2009 9:47 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't understand.
It is almost without a doubt the individuals who dominate the competition in college who translate best to the NFL.
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by Fearless Frog on Aug 21, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sure
When was the last time you heard of busting?
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 21, 2009 2:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right, but the way you guys are saying it makes it seem like we shouldn't touch guys who were great in college.
And I still don’t understand why anyone would give a crap about Jenkins’ 40 time.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 21, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This last reply was messed up
I meant to say “When was the last time you heard of Heisman winner busting?”.
There is more to college scouting than college production. Great college players often have mediocre or horrible professional careers. Professional athletes need a special combination of mental and physical tools.
Michael Jenkins dropped because a bunch of teams either thought he didn’t have the tools or that he might have had the tools but he was too much of a risk.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 21, 2009 10:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a silly comparison.
Tim Tebow is an ‘elite’ college QB because of a stupid quad-option offense and he can run around. Malcolm Jenkins was an elite college CB because he could shut down WRs, was very physical, fast, and had good ball skills. We’re going to throw that all out because of arguably the most idiotically conceived test of speed in the combine? His shuttle-cone and other agility drills were fine, if I remember correctly.
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by Fearless Frog on Aug 21, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jenkins looks like a good hitter
Didn’t see the interception and coverage skills we could use on our defense. Only time will tell how good any of these rooks are.
We took our chance with Curry. I think it was a solid pick. The guy looked as good as anyone I looked at during the draft and better than most.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't whether this is a turn of phrase I'm unfamiliar with
But just in case, ‘intervertebral disc’ is not an injury in and of itself. It’s just the name of the discs between vertebrae.
by Graham on Aug 20, 2009 8:54 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I phrased it like that
because no specific injury was stated. Mora said Trufant has a “disc issue”. I initially put “disc problem”, but that seemed confusing to me. So I put “intervertebral disc” because it indicated what was ailing without saying how it was ailing. I figured “out” indicated injury and the location of the injury could be metonymy for the injury itself.
But, yeah, the headline sucks.
by John Morgan on Aug 20, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I DON'T KNOW WHAT WE'RE YELLING ABOUT!!
by rex92 on Aug 21, 2009 4:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rex, where did you get a hand grenade...?
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 22, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
technically, it's redundant -- because all discs are intervertebral
if anything, the problem is that Tru’s disc is not as intervertebral as it’s supposed to be
by Mr Fish on Aug 20, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The best solution for Trufant's injury
Is a pass rush. A pass rush will make Kelly Jennings look like Lester Hayes. Josh Wilson will be Asante Samuel. Deon Grant will be Ed Reed.
We need Kerney to play like Kerney. Mebane to play like Sapp. Cole to be good. Tapp to be Kevin Greene.
See you in week 7 Mr. Trufant.
by Section 128 on Aug 20, 2009 9:03 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
Constant pressure equals bad balls which equal uncatchable balls if CB is in right place… Jennings can’t make a play on a decently thrown ball, but he can keep the WR from getting to a badly thrown one.
by trippsixxes on Aug 22, 2009 12:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hmm
Receivers like Reggie Wayne, Larry Fitzgerald, Roy Williams and Calvin Johnson.
If I was Wayne, Fitzgerald or C. Johnson, I think I’d take offense with Roy Williams being included in that sentence. Although you could add Andre Johnson and Greg Jennings pretty easily.
by Mind of no mind on Aug 20, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
The week they play us
you include Isaac Bruce and random practice squad fodder for the Eagles and Dolphins to that list.
by jacobstevens on Aug 20, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Isaac Bruce had a great game against us last year,
but between the Eagles and Dolphins neither of them had a WR do to much damage. I think Ted Ginn was the best with 4 catches for 67 yards and 1 TD. It was the backup TE that killed us, but I don’t know how losing Trufant effects our TE coverage.
Losing Trufant will hurt a lot, but if our pass rush is improved, and our offense can win the Time of possession battle (we ranked 24th last year) I don’t see us getting destroyed by average WR’s, which is how I view Roy Williams (assuming he can even stay healthy and on the field).
by Mind of no mind on Aug 20, 2009 4:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That piece of crap Brent Celek.
Sheds some light on how ineffective Brian Russell was.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 8:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We were Brent Celek's bitch.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 20, 2009 10:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good news is
we held the ball for 31 minutes during the San Diego game even though San Diego put more impressive numbers. Gregg Knapp’s offenses almost always have a positive ToP. Usually 31 minutes plus. That should help our defense alot.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 21, 2009 2:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Seeing 25 min TOP
every week killed whatever buzz I happened to be laying claim to.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 22, 2009 1:26 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eric Green cut by the Dolphins.
I don’t know much about him other than that he started for the Cards and was slated as one of Miami’s starters this year. Could he be a good pick up?
Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 20, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Perhaps, if it weren't for the fact the 49ers already signed him.
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Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 20, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wasn't he just signed?
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 20, 2009 2:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
My bad, just read that the Niners grabbed him.
And on further research, looks like he kind of sucked anyways.
Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 20, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
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