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Seahawks 27 - Broncos 13: Winners and Losers

Grand Champion

Nick Reed

He's not tall. He's not heavy. He doesn't look great with his shirt off. But, at football, he's Mozart at the composition table. God bless Seattle for being in the Pacific Northwest. Yes it's the preseason, but there's no bluffing mad skills like Reed's. In whatever capacity, this guy is a player. He's going to contribute on special teams. He'll excite in nickel packages. Oh yeah, that means he's making the roster.

Winners

Michael Bennett: Not as dominant as before, but another step towards making the team. Or making a team.

Deon Butler: One good return on a broke play doesn't mean all that much, but his receiving was excellent. Owner of the most impressive play on offense.

Justin Forsett: Catching in the flat and redirecting is something he can do. Proving it's a valuable addition to the playbook, and therefore he's a valuable addition to the offense is a preseason win.

Will Herring: Showing the tackle prowess he had heretofore lacked.

Baraka Atkins: Consistently disruptive. Played the straight man to Reed's half sack.

Heater: Cover ability? Yes.

C.J. Wallace: Proving he adds attack to the special teams.

Brandon Coutu: Long field goal improves his trade value.

Jordan Babineaux: Better than Brian Russell. So. So. So much better than Brian Russell. Also, BIG PLAY!

Losers

Sean Locklear: Handled. Bull-rushed by Elvis Dumervil. Looked bad throughout and bad at everything you fear he's bad at.

Ben Obomanu: Did not make a catch and did not look good on returns.

Seattle WRs: Seattle must keep Atkins and Reed. Who does it cut?

Josh Wilson: Reinforcing he is, in fact, a nickelback.

Jordan Kent: Looking more and more like he'll never get it.

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Agree about Kent

My great-grandfather once said that “potential” just means they’ve never achieved anything. Time to let him go, and maybe look for the next one in future drafts.

"Have a good time all the time" - Viv Savage, Spinal Tap

by HawksFanHernandez on Aug 22, 2009 10:54 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm feeling the same way

I really badly want him to work out. I separated his pathetic play as a gunner from his play as a receiver, but they seem more intertwined, when it comes to his “getting it.” At least Courtney Taylor is starting to look OK, and is much better insurance against a Branch injury since he’s a flanker.

by jacobstevens on Aug 24, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

On one of Hasselbeck's sacks

the replay showed some real lazy route running by Kent. Does he think he’s a shoe-in to make the team, or is he just that bad at running routes?

by Jo-Jo on Aug 24, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

most impressive play on offense, not offensive.

Also, why would a team offer a 7th for Coutu if they know he’s certainly going to be cut?

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 22, 2009 10:59 PM PDT reply actions  

And our starting defense could be considered losers, they let Kyle Orton move the ball at will.

Though it could have to do with scheme.

Also, the offensive line couldn’t open running lanes consistently at all.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 22, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I wasn't scrutinizing

but every package the starting D put out there looked pure vanilla.

by John Morgan on Aug 22, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

The defense created no pass rush, and the secondary didn't look too hot.

But the run defense only gave up 32 yards in the first half for a 2.7 YPC. That’s pretty good.

by Fear on Aug 22, 2009 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

After as many fire zones as they used last Saturday

I think Seattle will blitz to create pressure. I wouldn’t worry about its starting four not creating much pressure. It’s not really designed to.

by John Morgan on Aug 22, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

I won't be worried unless the regular season starts

and we still arn’t creating pressure. Preseason is just for working out the kinks and getting excited about the Reeds of the world.

by Fear on Aug 22, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Keep in mind our starting OLB was out

He’s going to be one of the players that creates the most pressure.

Don’t get me wrong, I wasn’t thrilled with our Defense. Granted, Denver has a pretty high-powered offense, but the COMPLETE lack of pressure on the QB was a little bit worrisome.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yea that was what worried me too.

It’s not the lack of pressure, but the complete lack of anything resembling pressure. I suspect that will be fixed next week though, when they start using something besides a straight vanilla defense.

by Fear on Aug 23, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kearney was invisible

against a very average o-line. That doesn’t give me a ton of hope.

Hopefully he’s just getting the rust off.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions  

I don't want to get into a semantics battle royale, but

Isn’t the Denver O-line pretty decent (better than average)? They run the ball pretty well with mediocre backs and Cutler was sacked at a below-average rate the last two years (according to sack percentage index at PFR)

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 11:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Is that good or bad for Kerney?

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

Ryan Clady is a pretty good LT

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 12:58 PM PDT up reply actions  

Fair enough

Thanks

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

My Denver friends...

(and I live in Denver) are pretty confident that their tackles are the best tandem in the game. Now they may be overstating their hand a little bit, but realistically they are definitely top 7 if not higher, as a tandem.

Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!

by Tyler Jorgensen on Aug 23, 2009 1:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

They're above average.

Have we run this into the ground yet?

by thebyron on Aug 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't think so

A picture of a urinal bird would be way more appropriate (but when is it not?).

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

I don't know that he will

I do think that he will help on the screen pass defense though. Once he gets up to speed, he’ll be all over those like white on rice when they are on his side. I’m pretty sure Leroy Hill is pretty good at stopping the screen as well.

Not so sure about Curry getting pressure. What I’m hoping happens is Curry is a good enough pass rusher to get 4 or 5 sacks and pretty consistent pressure when called to do so and that our defense sends our LBs at random times on the blitz so that opposing O-coordinators and QBs have trouble determining who is coming on the blitz and who is falling back into coverage.

Curry probably won’t be a Ju-P this year or even close. But he should be part of a solid pass rush that includes Hill. At least that is what I’m hoping for.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 23, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another loser: Aaron Curry

Because he’s a top-5 pick, he must contribute immediately — even when he’s not on the field.

by aerozeppelin on Aug 22, 2009 11:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I hope he steps it up the next couple of games

Though I paid a man 34 million guaranteed and 60 million overally, I’d be pretty careful with him too. Downright scary to see your investment hurt when you need him on the field. I don’t think I’d risk him in a presesaon game.

I’d still like to hear if Curry would have helped stuff some of those screen passes that seemed to be confounding our defense.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 22, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Locklear looked like garbage

I always find it hard to watch one player at a game, even if it’s preseason because I get wrapped in the emotion and what not. That being said Locklear made it really easy because it seemed that virtually every play he was failing.

by Hancock.Brett on Aug 22, 2009 11:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't even want to talk about it

The very thought that he’s our “LT of the future” makes me ill. Very ill.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 10:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Watching tape.

I wouldn’t get too worked up about it.

by John Morgan on Aug 23, 2009 10:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

is it just me

Or did it look like Matt was way too deep on a lot of those drop backs. There were a few times where he was taking a 5-step drop out of a shotgun, a couple times he was more that 10 yards from the line of scrimmage. Is that supposed to be? How do you expect tackles to protect a pocket that deep?

by Jo-Jo on Aug 23, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They were trying out their deeper stuff

I don’t think he took 5 steps back from shotgun, though, did he? I didn’t notice that. You’re right that’s harder to defend, but that’s been Locklear’s strength, is the mirror-slide, right?

by jacobstevens on Aug 24, 2009 11:30 AM PDT up reply actions  

also Red Bryant

looked awesome or am I imagining things?

by Hancock.Brett on Aug 22, 2009 11:13 PM PDT reply actions  

He looked pretty danm good

I guess at this point I expect even more.

by John Morgan on Aug 22, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

fair enough

I’d like to see him face some starters next week but I suppose they want to feature Cole who was unimpressive.

by Hancock.Brett on Aug 22, 2009 11:15 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought Bennett

was pretty darn good. Sure, he got engulfed a couple of times, but he’s quick of the snap and disruptive, with a consistent high effort. Wonder where this dude was in college.

IF we keep 5 ends and Bennett, I think Terrill might be a goner… Bennet might sneak through to the practice squad, but maybe not. Reed won’t if he keeps this up.

by Hawkdawg on Aug 22, 2009 11:34 PM PDT reply actions  

I thought the offense overall played quite well.

Especially with three of its starters out to injury.

by djafrot on Aug 22, 2009 11:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Amend this statement if you will

But Hasselbeck seems to be back to his old awesome self again. He does a great job on hurry-up and 2-minute drills.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 23, 2009 1:24 AM PDT up reply actions  

So. Exciting.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 10:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

Denver has an above average O line,other than that they suck

I have to think depth on our O line is where we are going to suck,other than that I like what I see. It was a fun game to watch for pre season trash

by southern oregon on Aug 23, 2009 12:26 AM PDT reply actions  

"It was a fun game to watch"

PERIOD!

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 23, 2009 1:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

It was nice to see Bryant and Atkins get some reps with the 1st team, hopefully thats a sign that both guys could get some solid playing time in the regular season.

Matt still looks a little shaky, not sure if he’s got full trust in the O-line without Big Walt. Also, I don’t think I saw Lawrence Jackson play, maybe he did in the 2nd half, but he certainly didn’t get any reps with the 1st team and appears to be behind Atkins on the depth cart.

by MFAN on Aug 23, 2009 1:42 AM PDT reply actions  

The entire o-line loses...

… if Spencer’s injury is something serious.

by Anticitizen_One on Aug 23, 2009 1:48 AM PDT reply actions  

The first half is the important part

and Denver dominated the first half even though the Seahawks scored more points. The Seahawks’ offense looked good but really that was only thanks to Hasselbeck carrying it ala 2007. Then again, no Walter Jones and no Julius Jones, plus Unger started over Wrotto and Locklear/Sims manned the left side, so it wasn’t a situation where you would expect a potent run game. Still, to get so little out of the run in the first half against a pretty bad defense is not encouraging. And if the Seahawks truly do run the ball 50% of their offensive plays, its going to be brutal with a that particular combination.

Also, I don’t know how much, if at all, we can read into the starting defense performance since of course it was all vanilla stuff, but for a butterfingered drop by Gaffney and a needlessly hurried, left handed duck by Orton which followed, the pass defense was horrendous against Orton, who’s probably not even as good a QB as Seneca Wallace. Denver’s O-line is good, but pressure was non-existent until the 2nd units went out there.

I would definitely add Hasselbeck to the list of winners. He’s still working out timing with his WR, but put together two very nice drives in the first half and looked like his old self. The Seahawks will be in the playoff hunt if Hasselbeck continues to play that well.

by kearly on Aug 23, 2009 3:15 AM PDT reply actions  

Wrotto started, Unger came in so they could see him with the first team at RG.

I thought the run calls looked a little telegraphed. Long developing run plays with a pitch right or pitch left were stuffed a few times. But the quicker plays up the middle looked decent to good with Duckett and the first team IMO.

The Broncos were using a lot of sophistication on offense, and as was mentioned our defense(besides not having Curry) was not.

by cashless on Aug 23, 2009 9:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

Kerney

Does anyone remember how Kerney looked the last few years in the preseason? Does he usually show some pass rushing ability in the preseason or does he tend to be quiet when the games don’t count?

On a side note, Tapp was one of the only Seahawks first team defenders who looked like he was playing at full speed.

It’s a shame Aaron Curry didn’t play. I would have loved to have seen him sniff out those screen passes and lay some wood.

by Culter on Aug 23, 2009 4:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Duckett played soft last preseason too

And then stepped it up during the regular season. I’m not worried about Duckett.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 23, 2009 7:48 PM PDT up reply actions  

I was so freakin pissed last year when they kept Duckett and put Forsett on the PS

Then Duckett turned it on and played pretty decently in the regular season.

Lesson learned: Veterans don’t always get up for the games that don’t count.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm a big Duckett fan

but I never want to seem him get another carry that doesn’t involve a short yardage or running out the clock against a tired defense. It was painful to watch him play tonight.

by Culter on Aug 23, 2009 4:57 AM PDT reply actions  

He seems to have no explosion...

to the hole, at all. Can’t get there fast enough, so he relies on bad tackling to get serious yards.

by Hawkdawg on Aug 23, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Honestly I think you will change your mind this season.

Our run game as a whole looked like that, but I think that there are some plays that he will dominate with in the ZBS.

by cashless on Aug 23, 2009 9:17 AM PDT up reply actions  

Agree.

He’s not an every-down back. Hopefully the coaches find the right types of plays for him, and utilizes him for those plays and short yardage situations.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 10:36 AM PDT up reply actions  

After years of getting ripped apart by screen plays.

Its finally nice to see us run some very successful screens.

I love screens! But not as much as QB naked bootleg passes.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 23, 2009 10:55 AM PDT reply actions  

Amen to that

Actual screen plays that were well-designed, with personnel that could do something with them. I’ll be looking forward to seeing more of THAT this season.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture

by Eegah on Aug 23, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

I love screens

Theyre so dramatic.

At first Im like “shit fuck Matt is gonna die!” but then there’s a crazy Shymalan plot twist that tends to result in a solid gain.

I think I just pooped your pants...

by FizzleDrip on Aug 23, 2009 1:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

When Bruce Willis was dead, at the end of Sixth Sense,

I… Nevermind.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 23, 2009 2:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

If not for that 2 minute drill resulting in the Housh TD

I would’ve put Hasselbeck on the list.

Incapable of escaping pressure, overthrowing receivers on several occasions, and having some communication issues. The last 2 minutes aside he really did not look so good.

Brian Russell is on my losers list. Even for Brian Russell that was craptastic.

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Aug 23, 2009 10:58 AM PDT reply actions  

What about

his successful deep pass? And communication issues are a typical by-product of a new playbook.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 23, 2009 11:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah that too, and that was a thing of beauty

But he still struggled a bit out there.

Wasn’t bad but he didn’t look like himself.

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Aug 23, 2009 11:07 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can settle for that for now.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 23, 2009 11:08 AM PDT up reply actions  

You're being a little picky

He completed 68% of his passes. He threw 2 TDs and no INTs. All this in ONE HALF.

You’re demanding perfection from a guy that has not played terribly well for years.

Although there were some hiccups, his performance was EXTREMELY promising for this season.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Terribly well for years?

What about 2007?

Unless I am misunderstanding the context of that phrase.

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Aug 23, 2009 1:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Okay, for someone who just put career-worst numbers, coming off a mysterious injury,

and playing in a new system with new faces everywhere.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 23, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hear, hear!

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 24, 2009 12:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

I thought his footwork looked a bit sloppy

I think it’s just some rust and a new system. I thought that overall he’s right where they need him to be at this point.

by Jo-Jo on Aug 23, 2009 12:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

John - any observations on Kearney?

It looks like he played the entire half, but did not factor at all. I was at the game in the 300 level; making observations is difficult lol.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 11:01 AM PDT reply actions  

Hate to be that guy

but it’s Kerney, not Kearney.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 23, 2009 11:05 AM PDT up reply actions  

I can never get it right :(

And I actually pride myself in my grammar/spelling ability :(

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 12:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

lawl

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 23, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

Haaaaaa Haa

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 10:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'd like to give a thumbs-up to the coaching staff

It may be preseason but a trick play, plenty of shotgun and spread offense, and actually going for it on 4th and short is something I’ve been waiting for.

Good to see something different….and NO FULLBACK DRAWS!

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Aug 23, 2009 11:10 AM PDT reply actions  

I missed the trick play does anyone have a link to it?

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 23, 2009 11:13 AM PDT up reply actions  

Attempted pass by Deion Branch

Beverly Hills 90210.......Denver Broncos 7.

by SSreporters on Aug 23, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions  

And it was WIDE open...

nobody within 5 yards of Butler, as I recall… Branch just badly underthrew it.

by Hawkdawg on Aug 23, 2009 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Branch got a little spooked

He was about to get drilled by a Linebacker or something.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 12:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

I saw them run that end-around in practice

And Branch completed it LONG. It was a nice play.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 23, 2009 12:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

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