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Seattle Seahawks Defense Walked Down the Field by the Denver Broncos I

More important than Saturday's game is the health of this man. Until we know how injured Chris Spencer is, we will not know if the Seahawks won or lost.

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More important than Saturday's game is the health of this man. Until we know how injured Chris Spencer is, we will not know if the Seahawks won or lost.

An analysis in three parts.

Until word on Chris Spencer's injury is distributed, we won't know if yesterday's game was a win or a loss. Starting with the Denver Bronco's first offensive drive, it was often ugly.

What follows is observations on the first third of Denver's opening 12-play scoring drive. It's not a drive that fans will hold up as proof that Seattle's new defensive coordinators have finally unlocked this team's potential. We know when players aren't executing, but what if the scheme itself isn't working? It looks like this.

4. Brandon Mebane shoots off the snap and clusters and disrupts the Broncos interior line. Patrick Kerney gets under Ryan Clady and bulls him back and towards Kyle Orton. But Orton has little trouble finding a hole in Seattle's zone. He completes a pass to Jabar Gaffney for 16 and the first. John Marshall didn't recognize the value of the first down. He seemed content to allow first downs if those first downs did not gain major yardage. Or maybe it's Jim Mora, since this style of secondary play has taken off under Mora.

3. Cory Redding blew up the next play. He ripped through Ryan Harris, D.D. Lewis sealed the outside by forcing back Tony Schefler and Redding finished the play with a tackle for a loss.

2. Darryl Tapp took next at-bats against Harris. He ran around him and forced Orton to tuck and run. Three plays in and Seattle had forced a third and long.

1. That's when one bad play call unraveled the drive. It was bad, overly aggressive, and also badly timed. Denver had the perfect counter.

3-7-DEN 41 (9:57) (Shotgun) 8-K.Orton pass short left to 19-E.Royal to SEA 33 for 26 yards (55-D.Tapp).

Broncos: 2 WR (left), WR (right), TE (right), RB (left), Shotgun

Seahawks: 4-2 Nickel

Seattle blitzes six into a wide receiver bubble screen.

Expecting more?

From center to Clady, Denver pulls left. Seattle commits its front six allowing Denver to effortlessly position three blockers in front of Eddie Royal. At this point, it's a ball rolling down hill. Josh Wilson is blocked out. Brian Russell..eh. Russell attempts to navigate the blockers and whirls. Seattle's saving grace is a good angle by Darryl Tapp. Lofa Tatupu runs up the sideline, but Tapp runs a direct diagonal towards Royal's destination and catches him from behind. Seattle is very lucky Royal was tackled at all.

This is a long drive with a lot of failure to articulate. In the next four plays Tatupu is embarrassed and Craig Terrill does something I still can't wrap my mind around. He looked lost.

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Tatupu is embarrassed

This never would have happened to Patrick Willis.

by LantermanC on Aug 23, 2009 1:45 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

With Spencer scheduled to have an MRI,

I’m glad we have Unger. Though I’m not sold on Wrotto, and liked what I saw from Unger at RG.

by LantermanC on Aug 23, 2009 1:51 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Thought Unger looked a shade slow...

Against the first team Denver D. On the screen left (drive before halftime), both he and Sims were leading Forsett, only 2 broncos to beat.

Sims and Unger both whiffed; Forsett didn’t help things, as he didn’t appear to set up the blocks well. Still, seeing as they scored – and ran this play successfully a few times, can’t complain.

Spencer seemed very good at the multiple chip blocks. Vallos and Unger not as much, though Unger looks like he will get it soon – it looks like his body is just a bit behind his brain. Vallos looked horrible as soon as he stepped in.

by PerryCollective on Aug 23, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't you dare rag on Vallos.

He signed my football!

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 23, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So I'm Not The Only One

I thought Tats looked….er…..not his self last night. And not just on the missed tackle. He looked a step behind in most of what he did. I hope Mad Moonie was on to something real when he kept pleading “overworked and tired” on the team’s behalf. Because I can’t abide the thought that that was the 2009-2010 Seahawks defense out there.

On the bright side, it sure seemed to me that Tapp was everywhere last night. The takedown on Royal’s screen was just the first of a few times Tapp (unfortunately, mostly out of necessity) seemingly came from nowhere to tackle someone.

by KHF on Aug 23, 2009 2:09 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

What's disturbing is that Tapp is a free agent after this season.

Along with Lucas, Redding, and others.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 23, 2009 2:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

We should sign him to a contract ASAP.

by djafrot on Aug 23, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Could be.

I’m saying they SHOULD re-sign him, because if he has a big season he’s gonna be expensive as hell.

by djafrot on Aug 23, 2009 3:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree.

I’m just saying that it’s unlikely Ruskell’s going to do anything about Tapp now.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 23, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No need, Nick Reed.

Plus Lawrence Jackson may pan out …

by LantermanC on Aug 23, 2009 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, you are very optimistic

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 10:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kerney's getting older and may not be around much longer

And you want to depend on a 7th-rounder (who may or may not make the team after a couple of flashy plays in preseason games) and Lawrence freaking Jackson? Sounds like a bad idea to me.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 23, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A bit of sarcasm on my part, sorry.

Reed while good, shouldn’t be counted on to start (maybe in 16 games, but for now, let’s just call him a backup with potential).

And I’ve never seen much good out of LoJack. I’m sorry, but I’ve never been a fan, and nothing he has done has changed my opinion on him.

by LantermanC on Aug 23, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah and if they keep dropping him into those fire-zones

some 3-4 team is gonna gobble him up with a pay-day.

by Jo-Jo on Aug 24, 2009 8:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope this is Spencer's last year in Seattle

if he can’t go this season.

I can’t stand anymore O-line players with durability issues. It was bad enough that Womack was a member of the walking wounded, we don’t need a center, one of the most important positions on the line, manned by a guy who can’t find a way to stay healthy.

This is really disheartening what is happening with our O-line this year. It’s like our receiving corps last year. We have zero margin for injury at the moment. If Locklear is hurt, it will be open field on Matt and it’s already not looking great as Locklear is an average to below average LT at best who will get eaten up by top pass rushers.

I’m looking at our beautiful receiving assets, some of them just blooming like Deon Butler and Forsett with screen, and wondering if we’re going to be able to maximize them with a porous O-line that is going to leave Matt running for his life. They’re so bad they may even end his life.

I hope this defense gets the kinks worked out with the zones before the regular season. I also hope this lack of a pass rush is more due to the D-line holding back in the preseason than a harbinger that they lack pass rushing ability.

I know my expectations for the regular season have dropped quite a bit with the O-line situation. I’m pretty sure the defense will be better during the regular season, but the O-line is looking like a serious weakness once again. Run blocking is bad. Pass blocking is adequate at best. And they haven’t even faced a really good blitzing team yet that is game planning to bring the pressure. Soon they will have teams watching film on them and planning to attack them at their weakest point with a full on rush of their best pass rushers. I don’t want to think about such nightmares until we’re sure what this starting O-line is going to look like going into the season.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 23, 2009 7:21 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

"...we don’t need a center, one of the most important positions on the line, manned by a guy who can’t find a way to stay healthy."

It’s a hitting sport, you know. The idea that staying healthy is in a player’s control is laughable.

You can’t ask that of anyone, except for maybe the kickers, punters, and long snappers who play Pro Football. One wrong step is all it takes, and to go an entire season without getting hurt is pretty amazing.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Aug 23, 2009 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"The idea that staying healthy is in a player’s control is laughable."

I think alot of players do a good job of staying in top condition which lessens your chance of injury. I also think mental awareness on the field prevents alot of injuries form occuring. I think alot of guys play through injuries as we’ve seen Deon Grant and Tatutpu do, they literally find a way to be healthy enough to play even if they are not healthy.

And tlot of players last entire seasons without major injury and show up to training camp ready to go, especially players as young as Spencer. He doesn’t seem able to do that.

As often as Spencer suffers injury I have to wonder if his conditioning practices are questionable. Maybe he does do the necessary conditioning during the offseason and he just isn’t built for the NFL. I guess we’ll find out this year.

But I do not want players that aren’t durable on this team, especially at key positions like center. Never have and never will. Players that aren’t durable are worse than lazy players who you can spot and get rid of. Low durability players create a sense of false hope that causes teams to keep giving them chances when they could have jettisoned the dead weight and went in a new direction towards a more permanent solution. All players with poor durability do is eat up salary cap and roster spots without helping the team to maintain long term dominance.

Low durability players drive me crazy. I want to purge as many of them from the Seahawks as we can. We’ve already done that with players like Hackett, Jackson, and Womack. This year may prove to be the end for Spencer and Branch if they don’t prove capable of staying on the field and playing at a high level.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 24, 2009 4:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm actually kinda hoping Branch has a really good year

So we can trade him. I’d take a second round pick for him any day of the week.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 24, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's only so much you can do, but you cannot control when and how severely you get hurt.

I’d say that Chris Spencer, according to John’s post, is able to play with injuries. To say he’s not durable is a matter of opinion.

You don’t want players who aren’t durable? Good luck finding 53 of them. By your reasonining, you should want Matt Hasselbeck out of Seattle. He’s missed more games in the last 3 seasons than Spencer, and he plays a more valuable position than Spencer does.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Aug 24, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No. He wasn't remarkably durable

He’s been hurt every year in Seattle and has only played on full season for us in 2007. And he was hurt that year. He played hurt and he showed like he was playing hurt.

Spencer stepped in at guard in 2006 and then at center when Toebeck went down. He was hurt by the end of the season. Then he played all of 2007 witn inuries and needed offseason surgery again. Then he was IRed in 2008 near the end of the season and had offseason surgery again.

Spencer hasn’t had a fully healthy year in Seattle except for 2005 when he was riding the pine. His performance on the field seems to be regressing rather than progressing. It can’t overlook that this might be because of injuries.

Do you think a young guy like Spencer is going to last that much longer considering he can’t stay healthy during a regular season of football? Everyone suffers some injuries here and there, some bumps and bruises. But every player doesn’t need offsesaon surgery with serious rehabilitation every year.

The guy is breaking down. He is playing at an average to below average level. Do you think he is the long-term answer at center? I don’t. I think he has left us with a hole in the middle of our line that we are having a hard time filling.

What should a good center be doing? He should be at training camp every year. He should be learning the line calls, watching tons of film, working with Matt to coordinator line calls quite often, and coming into camp in shape and ready to go. Center is a hard position in the NFL, the hardest on the line mentally. That’s why a guy like Robbie Toebeck was such an asset. He wasn’t the biggest or strongest guy on the line, but he had the mental aspect of the game down and made everyone around him better.

Spencer is more of a physical beast than Toebeck. But his durability issues are hurting the physical part of his game, the greatest strength of his game. And the offseason injuries and rehabilitation are causing him to lose valuable learning the mental aspect of the game and I beginning to even doubt he has what it takes mentally to lead an NFL O-line because that’s what the center is in the NFL: the leader of the O-line. The center is not only the center, but the very heart of your O-line. You need a guy there that makes everyone around him better and Spencer doesn’t seem like that guy.

I think we can upgrade the position and maybe keep Spencer around as depth at best. But I’m tired of our starting center being such a question mark at the position. It seems to me it’s only a matter of time before he breaks down and starts missing time during the regular season. But we shall see how Spencer does and if he solidfies himself at the center position this year or continues to show that we need to upgrade that position badly.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 23, 2009 8:10 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Chris Spencer

played every game of the 2006 and 2007 seasons. Every football player gets injured, the question is how badly and how many games they miss. Spencer didn’t miss much (as you said, all he missed was the end of a 2008 season when everyone was being put on IR to preserve their health).

Oh and Spencer is a free agent at the end of the season. And he probably won’t be re-signed, because if he performs well enough for us to want to re-sign him, he’ll command a big pay check. And if he doesn’t, then we won’t want to re-sign him. That’s why we drafted Unger.

by Fear on Aug 23, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Unger is looking like a much better candidate for center

I even like the fact that in interviews he is more personable than Spencer. Spencer seems too shy to be the leader of an O-line. You listen alot of top centers and they are usually pretty gregarious, outspoken guys who don’t mind leading their team even if it’s a few grunts and sentences.. Jeff Saturday, Toebeck, and Kevin Mawae, they really like jawing and pushing the O-line. They take alot of pride in their position as leader of the O-line.

Spencer started at guard in 2006, then moved to center. He played all of 2007, one full season. And was IRed in 2008 as were many of our guys. Maybe he could have played on, I don’t know. But he’s already hurt in the preseason again in 2009. First his ankle, now his leg. How does that keep happening? And how does it affect his play?

Injuries generally happen for a few reasons:

1. Pure accident: Something flukey happens like Matt’s knee in 2006 or his back in 2008.

2. Physically weak: You have a soft body that breaks like glass due to poor conditioning or genetic predisposition like Womack.

3. Mental Weakness: You can’t play through pain. You are so overwhelmed in the game you lose confidence and start looking for reasons to sit out of the game or not have to go in and face the big mean men trying to hurt you. You are so mentally overwhelmed by the game that keeping everything you have to do in order in your mind causes you to make mental errors that you leave you open to injury.

No idea where Spencer falls in that spectrum, but I’m tired of it. I’m as tired of it as I am of players that have “great potential”, but don’t ever seem to live up to it because of mental issues. Potential means nothing in football if it isn’t realized.

I usually give a guy three years to make it in the league. If they haven’t done it after three years, it probably isn’t happening. Spencer’s three years are up this year and I’m sure glad we have Unger. Just wish we weren’t so thin at O-line that Unger might have an impossible task to start his career.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 23, 2009 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Spencer fails this year

then yea he’s probably not going to make it. But like I said, this argument is essentially pointless because Spencer is a FA after this year. And since TR doesn’t like signing people mid season, Spencer will probably either end up seeking a big pay day elsewhere or seeking any kind of job elsewhere. Either way, he’s not in Seattle and you don’t have to worry about his injury status.

As for this year, it would be foolish for Seattle to start anyone besides Spencer at center unless Spencer is injured. Because Vallos is over matched in the NFL, and Unger is a rookie who has spent half the preseason learning the guard position.

by Fear on Aug 24, 2009 12:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hi djafrot

I like reading the film analysis here. I always enjoy reading breakdowns of game film. If someone just states what they see on the field, that’s interesting to me.

Don’t necessarily agree with all the opinions, but that’s par for the course anywhere you go. But at the least conversation is more cerebral here than at many other discussion forums. I do like that.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 23, 2009 11:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"John Marshall didn't recognize the value of the first down. He seemed content to allow first downs if those first downs did not gain major yardage. Or maybe it's Jim Mora, since this style of secondary play has taken off under Mora."

…. So what does this mean? Mora is instructing his secondary to things similar to what they were doing under Marshall? Or the secondary has had this tendency since Mora’s arrival?

by Seahawka 12th on Aug 24, 2009 6:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Mora and Tim Lewis favor zones

Zones work if you can balance minimizing yardage, forcing turnovers and stopping teams on third down. It’s the third quality Seattle is struggling with.

by John Morgan on Aug 24, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That and DBs are "behind" receivers

Thus making it easier for them to make catches, but minimizes the chance of long runs.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 24, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorry to be banal

but I can’t imagine he didn’t actually recognize the value of the first down. It’s elementary.

by jacobstevens on Aug 24, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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