Seattle Seahawks Road Back to the Super Bowl
Doom, gloom...rebirth?
Last season sucked. It interrupted an unprecedented run of success for the Seahawks. Seattle had made the playoffs five times before 2003 but had won only three playoff games. This season will decide if last season was an interruption or an ending. It could be either. Seattle is more than capable of again being one of the worst teams in football. It has a chance to win the Super Bowl.
Yes it does. And it's not as complicated or far fetched as it might sound.
5. Grow into a Dominant Rush Defense
I am putting the cart before the horse for a reason. Rush defense dominates in the playoffs, but it won't do much to get Seattle into the playoffs. The importance of rush defense is conditional on Seattle fulfilling the following four goals. This is the most easily attainable of the five.
It has three starters on defensive line that should be average to above average to elite at run defense for their position. I don't expect Patrick Kerney to be a big player on run defense. Its starting three linebackers could each be top-ten run defenders by season's end. There's no weakness there, and with Aaron Curry on board, Lofa Tatupu will have the wingmen to destroy the rushers he flushes out. Ken Lucas and Marcus Trufant are both good open field tacklers, and however much Josh Wilson plays, he is also an excellent open field tackler that brings some pop. Deon Grant is good from the third level and if Jordan Babineaux wins out at strong safety, Seattle will not have a single weakness against the rush.
4. Get Lucky
Seattle has some tough games ahead. Weeks three through eight are especially grueling. Wins earn playoffs, even if they aren't always the best indicator of quality. Earning home field would be huge, but even bigger would be getting a bye. The power of a playoff bye is simple: It's one less game a team must win to make the Super Bowl. To accomplish that, Seattle is going to need some close victories over tough opponents. While the 2005 squad was undoubtedly better than the 2007 squad, much of what separated them in the standings was close victories.
2005 pulled out close victories against Atlanta, St. Louis, Dallas, San Francisco, New York and Tennessee. It only lost two close games, one to Washington in overtime and a meaningless week 17 game against Green Bay.
2007 was even. Seattle won close games against Philadelphia, St. Louis and Cincinatti, but none were as close as they looked, but lost close games to Arizona, Cleveland, Carolina and Atlanta. The Atlanta game was meaningless when played, but would have been meaningful if Seattle hadn't punted victories in Arizona and Carolina.
Seattle needs to scrape out some close victories. It has four sure to be punishing away games: Colts, Cowboys, Vikings and Packers. The Packers game is particularly tough, because Seattle is a moderate weather climate and Lambeau, December 27 is anything but moderate. But it can. It can split those; it can win all four. It can win all four without being the best team among the four, because Any Given Sunday.
3. Channel 2007
Seattle's dominating pass defense in 2007 wasn't all smoke and mirrors. Yes, it dominated some bad quarterbacks. No, I'm not sure Troy Smith, A.J. Feeley or Alex Smith will ever see another professional snap. But seizing an opportunity is the essence of success.
Seattle has its pass rush in 2007. Sure, there was Patrick Kerney, but Darryl Tapp, Julian Peterson, Rocky Bernard and Leroy Hill were all major contributors. Seattle doesn't have a single elite rusher like Kerney this season, but it has a better contributing cast. Tapp is around and closer to his prime. Hill should be more active. Aaron Curry won't replace Peterson, but he could be excellent on more traditional linebacker blitzes. Brandon Mebane could ascend to the lower ranks of the elite defensive tackles. Josh Wilson runs a nickel blitz like no one else in the NFL. Seattle has loaded up on situational pass rushers, and in the right spots, Cory Redding, Tapp, Craig Terrill and Nick Reed could all cause havoc. And there's some depth with upside like Lawrence Jackson, Baraka Atkins, Michael Bennett and Colin Cole.
The Seahawks may not face a jobbers row of scrubs and backups, but if the rush is there, it could make some decent to good quarterbacks channel Feeley.
2. Complete 2007
Seattle had the defense. It definitely had the passing attack. Its special teams were strong. But, good God damn did Shaun Alexander suck. Say what you will about Julius Jones, Edgerrin James and Justin Forsett, the 2009 Seahawks could not field a rusher more inept or self-defeating as Shaun Alexander circa 2007. Seattle couldn't protect a lead. It couldn't convert a first. It couldn't disguise a play. Eventually, Mike Holmgren simply told opponents the Seahawks were going to pass and pass and pass.
Consider the value added on every snap by replacing Alexander's pass blocking with Jones or James' pass blocking. The value added on ever snap by replacing Alexander's pass catching with Jones, James or Forsett's pass catching. Then, remember how bad Alexander was as a running back, and take a breath and know average beats the hell out of cripplingly awful.
1. Field a Top Ten Pass Offense
Seattle had a top ten pass offense in 2007. It built that offense on -- in descending importance -- Bobby Engram, a good pass blocking line and Matt Hasselbeck playing out of his mind. He made Engram, less than a year recovered from Graves disease, look like a Pro Bowler. Passes from Hasselbeck to Engram were the tenth most valuable connection in the NFL. Hasselbeck to Marcus Pollard was the sixth most valuable per-play quarterback to tight end connection in the NFL. Passes from Hasselbeck to D.J. Hackett were worth 100 yards above replacement. Engram is now T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Pollard is now John Carlson. Hackett is now Deon Butler. This is a better passing offense. Depending on how the line gels, it could be a full step above 2007's ninth ranked attack.
Passing offense is the single most important quality of a contender. It gets you ahead and lets you crawl back when you're behind. By putting the opponent behind, it improves the defense and helps force turnovers. It puts the clock on your side and facilitates the run game. With a healthy Hasselbeck and Sean Locklear anything near average, this is a better passing offense than 2007. A better passing offense than 2007 lifts this team to the playoffs, and in the playoffs, especially with a great rush defense, anything is possible.
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I thought Babs was going for Brian Russell's FS spot?
Deon Grant is good from the third level and if Jordan Babineaux wins out at strong safety, Seattle will not have a single weakness against the rush.
Or am I incorrect in this assumption, and if Babs is deemed worthy to start, the Seahawks would move Grant to FS and Babs to strong safety?
by LantermanC on Aug 27, 2009 1:33 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That is correct.
Though the positions are not that distinct. I think Seattle might switch some responsibilities if Babs overtook Russell so that Babs would be more like a strong safety than a free safety.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha! Makes sense, but when I first read that
I thought I’d missed a post somewhere and Russell had turned into a “He who shall not be named…” character round here!
by JamesMurphy on Aug 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The last sentence on point 4 is missing a word I think.
by LantermanC on Aug 27, 2009 1:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Missing a "can"
and now is fixed. Thanks.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 1:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
While I believe the 'skill positions' on offense are better than 2007
I’m really not sure about the O-line. Given (for the time being at least) a Waltless and Spencerless line, will Hasselbeck have anything like the time to dictate another top-10 passing offense? Maybe I’m just in doom and gloom mode still after Locklear’s showing vs the Broncos, but I have a horrible feeling that disruptions to the O-line could mean that what (I agree) is better offensive talent than 2007, under produces in comparison.
by JamesMurphy on Aug 27, 2009 1:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Even by 2007, Walt had declined.
He was an above average tackle, but we shouldn’t think Seattle is replacing Walter Jones with Sean Locklear. Seattle is replacing a post-prime Jones with an in-his-prime Locklear. It’s still a significant decline, but not as huge as the names make it sound. That 2007 team also had Chris Gray at left guard and Gray was awful. Rob Sims should be better and he was already pretty strong against the pass. Spencer I’m not sure about. That’s something we’ll have to revisit, but I don’t think the line should be too bad. It looked bad against Denver, about every first team unit minus Hasselbeck and his receivers did, but it looked great against San Diego.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm hoping that Lock isn't quite in his prime yet
I wouldn’t mind him improving just a bit.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 27, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with this
And wish the same from every other position, as long as the improvement is in week 12 or so for a playoff run
by StonerHawks on Aug 27, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 28
and started for quite a while now. He just needs to figure left tackle.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 3:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John Good Work...
As usual your work is excellent. It’s a TRUE pleasure to read your stuff!
Parts of this team are exceptional – other parts could be exceptional – however, the best I can see the O- Line being is adequate – AND – I think the chance of it being just not up to the challenge is terrifyingly high. It would be a shame to see the image of Matt lying flat on his back looking up at the sky and thinking of England as being the defining image of 2009.
Whatever happens – there is enough quality on this team that watching it all year will be pleasure, lets just hope it’s not a bitter pleasure.
by Mylegacy on Aug 27, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John...
Since I posted my above concerns about the O-Line…I was surfing at Rotoworld.com and had a look at all their posts about our Hawks. While I’m NERVOUS about that unit Rotoworld is DOWNRIGHT BRUTAL about them. Ouch and then some! Does anybody know if anybody has any nice things to say about our O-Line?
by Mylegacy on Aug 27, 2009 8:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only nice things people could say involve potential.
Few know the new, upcoming players like Seahawks fans do, and those reading this site do. Wrotto, Sims, Willis, those are not players the average NFL writer or fan are familiar with in any way.
by cashless on Aug 27, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rotoworld has a history of hating the Hawks.
This year they advise against picking all of their players, including Housh. They list him and Hass as busts.
Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 27, 2009 11:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't call Hawks busts, but they tend not to be superstars
Hass, if healthy, JC, and Housh should be decent (top 15).
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 28, 2009 8:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Carlson was top ten last year. Saved my team.
I think he will be again, although he may be getting the ball a little less since Matt will have other options.
by thebyron on Aug 29, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sack avoidance will be on Matt too
He can’t hold onto to the ball too long or lock onto a particular read too long. He’s going to have be as Peyton-like as he can reading the blitz and getting rid of the ball. Matt’s not too bad at it. He’s better at it than Ben R who did ok getting sacked like a practice dummy last year (though he is much younger than Matt and bigger).
My biggest fear with the O-line is not so much the entirety of the game, but third and three or more. That is when you are most likely to see a heavy blitz. I’m not sure our O-line will be able to give Matt time to get it off. Though I’m assuming Knapp will compensate for that with screens, draws, and the short passing game using the shotgun. Should work against most teams. Not everyone has a great pass rush, so we should still be able to have a strong passing game. And I’m sure with Edgerrin James and Julius Jones we’ll have some nice max protect packages that will give Matt time to work.
The key is the defense. If the defense comes out strong, this team is almost guaranteed the playoffs. If the defense is like 2006 or 2008, we’re in trouble.
And if Knapp can get the running game going, the football gods help the NFC because we will be rolling like tank over a infantry troops. Only the strongest defenses in the NFL will have any hope of stopping Seattle if they get even a halfway decent run game going that makes opposing teams play the run honestly. I can’t think of many teams that have the coverage assets or pass rush to stop our passing game without extra help and if they have to stop the run too, no way they can deal with Seattle.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:31 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a big reason why we were so successful in 2005 and 2007 is the pass rush.
With Redding as a DE, and our DT not being as sack proficient as our previous lines, I feel like LeRoy Hill will or should be called upon to put pressure on the QB more often. I don’t really recall him blitzing all that often during the Denver game, or was that just me? Besides Hill, is there anyone else that isn’t on the D-line that you think can provide some pressure on the opposing QB?
by LantermanC on Aug 27, 2009 1:46 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Curry, Tapp, Tatupu, Wilson, Grant, Babs and Reed.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 1:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The local media has been quiet about our defense this week
I haven’t heard much them other than the D-line has stepped it up and Babs had a nice day. I wonder if they are installing a gameplan for dealing with Kansas City and they don’t want anything getting out. I have not heard much about Curry except that he bit too hard on a play action fake. I wonder if they are practicing some new pressure packages.
Hopefully we’ll see a little somthing, something this Saturday from the defense.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:36 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Spencer and Jones need to be back by week 4
although week 3 Bears is tough its at home which should help our chances. 4 of the first 6 games are at home so again that should be helpful.
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 27, 2009 1:48 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Seattle needs to man up agains the Bears
that team could be great. Anything like respectable showing and I think Seattle has a good shot at the playoffs.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just got my tix in the mail a few days ago
I believe the word I’m searching for is…
jazzed :)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Aug 27, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Awhile back (before a few of these notable injuries)
I commented how it wouldn’t be unreasonable to go 5-1 the first six weeks. 4-2 seems more reasonable now that Jones/Spencer/Tru may not be in by week 3 but thats not a bad way to start the season, I think the wins could really propel the team through the rest of the season in terms of morale.
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 27, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, i think 4-2is reasonable
three games against the NFC West, and then the Bears and Jags at home. We should be able to win all the division games, and one of the two other home games. If we can’t we’ll know what to think of the season early on.
Last three games of the schedule (Bucs, At Packers, Titans) could be rough, so we’d better lock up the division early.
by cro-mag! on Aug 28, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bucs? At home?
In my mind that’s as big a gimme as any game we’ll play.
by thebyron on Aug 28, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
If it was on the road I would almost bet it all on a loss but if they can play their game, they should be 2-0 and looking at 3-0 after that game. Without 2/5 of the line(presumably)…
by Hancock.Brett on Aug 27, 2009 1:55 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
With the zone blocking running game supposedly taking all game to develop
in that it wears down the defensive line with the chop blocks, and with Knapp stressing the importance of getting out of the gate early, its seems pretty clear that his plan of attack will rely primarily around a pass first offense to get some points on the board, and then a grind it out attack in the late third/fourth quarter. When it works it will allow the defense to pin their ears back and go for turnovers and sacks. When it doesn’t, they just stick with the passing, but if the game is close, the run could become a huge advantage at the ends of games.
This will depend also on the defense’s ability to stop the opposition right out of the gate as well, which is what worries me the most. The run defense looks tough, but the times we face a passing offense could easily cause the bend but not break to snap, and if our offense can’t keep up, it may not be pretty. Good passing offenses, and tough passing defenses, will probably be our toughest match-ups.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 27, 2009 2:03 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
First I've heard that ZBS takes all game to develop a benefit.
The value as I understand is in reducing negative rushing plays, and providing a few more opportunities to break some bigger runs. but mostly in turning two thirds of your 0s and -1s into 2s and 3s.
That said, the approach as you described still sounds applicable. I am with you on what it means when it works and doesn’t, and John alluded to that.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 2:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It definitally should reduce negative runs
Which will help out the passing game early on in giving them favorable and manageable downs, which is what I think they will rely on the running game most for early in the game. Could be as simple as a lot of 3, 4, 5 yard gashes. I’ve heard several places recently about zone blocking taking awhile and that most of the long runs will occur later on, when the defense is worn out from being put on the ground a lot, and that’s partly why in the preseason the run game has looked pretty poor thus-far (that and the o-line not yet figuring out how to cut block). The defensive line in the second half of the preseason comes in with fresh legs. I am not absolutely sure if this is true (I’m far from an expert), but it seems to make some sense at least.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 27, 2009 2:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The perfect example of poor running games in the preseason?
Indianapolis for several years.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 27, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Or rather, I should say: "Examples of ZBS running games*"
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 27, 2009 8:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good points.
All very good points. I would think the run D will hing more on Cole, Redding and Bryant and less on Mebane (to a lesser degree), Tapp and Kerney. Three are good run stuffers, three are good at getting to the QB. If the big guys can keep O-lines off the LB’s this team has a chance to be very good at stoping the run.
As for getting lucky, this team needs some. They need to win some close road games, but their main luck needs to come in the form of no more injuries. If the team can keep key players off the IR, they will win some of these games, if not they will win between 4-6 games all year.
As for the running game and Shuan I will never have the venom alot of people have on these boards for him. he played very well for years, and after he had some “bad” injuries his game droped off. I’m with most that would say Jones, James and Forsett are better than Shaun and Mo in 2007, but also as most know Shaun was having some injuries and that more or less ended his time in Seattle (that and age). The guy was a good player while he was in Seattle, and that is where I will leave it.
by JustinWF on Aug 27, 2009 2:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mebane should be good at both
He may be the one taking the majority of the double teams. He’s really bursting off that line.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wonder that if you're correct in 'Bane drawing the maj. of the double-teams...
…if the coaching staff will insert a better pass-rusher next to him, ie: Redding, etc?
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 28, 2009 8:27 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We'll see if Cole can force double teams
That’s his job. If he can do that, then Mebane will be freed up to go one on one and he will win that matchup alot. But with Mebane quicker off the line than Cole, Cole may have trouble forcing double teams. As far as I know the nose tackle or one tech in a 4-3 is supposed to come off the line and force a double team by engaging two people. Not sure if Cole has the speed or power for that so teams may put the resources on Mebane if Cole cannot force double teams.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 28, 2009 9:43 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right....
and my question was that if that happens, will our staff adjust to ’Bane double-teams by replacing Cole w/ a more capable pass-rusher at DT next to him.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 28, 2009 10:17 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On passing downs they'll probably go to Redding
Or maybe Big Red will be a huge surprise. If that monster comes to life in the middle, boy, our D-line will be crazy.
I don’t like to hype Tubbs up too much because relying on one guy too much becomes an excuse for a team. But Red Bryant is the closest thing to Tubbs we have from what I’ve seen. But he needs to stay healthy and develop further. But that man looks downright scary in the middle.
In the last preseason game I focused on him a little bit and he was drawing real double teams as in they had no choice but to double him. I really hope he comes to life because Cole looks solid, but not spectacular. Red Bryant looks borderline spectacular.
We’ll see how Redding does when they shift him inside. He looks like a great pickup, but he’s not overpowering like Red. I think he’s our best hope of a spectacular presence in the middle.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 28, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Marcus Tubbs is a free agent
He was released last summer.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 28, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know
Not sure why you even posted that. Was that for me?
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 12:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Maybe I didn't read your post as closely as I should have
On first glance, it looked to me like you were suggesting that Tubbs was still with the team. Reading comprehension is my strongest suit.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 1:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pass Offense
The personnel around Hasselbeck definitely looks better in 2009.
Just curious whether you think there will be any sort of distinguishable drop-off with alleged WCO guru Mike Holmgren no longer holding the playcard and pulling all the strings.
Probably makes little difference, but what if Knapp — known more for his ground game — doesn’t have the magic touch calling pass plays? Or doesn’t seem to mind-groove with Hasselbeck the way Holmgren sometimes did?
by busplunger on Aug 27, 2009 2:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Kind of hard to have the magic touch calling pass plays
when your quarterbacks are Michael Vick and Jemarcus Russell. Not an end all excuse, but that has to figure in.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 27, 2009 2:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not worried about Knapp's playcalling abilities.
Given the plays that he called during the 2-minute offense vs. Denver.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Aug 27, 2009 8:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knapp seems pretty good
I think he can get it done. He’s built some good offenses. No reason to believe he can’t do it here. He is our most effective coach according to his history.
I’m more worried about Mora and Bradley’s ability to gameplan and make adjustments on defense. As well as get these guys ready to run through walls to get it done, though I think Lofa and the other leaders on defense take care of that.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This post makes me happy.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 27, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Lots of wishful thinking
but nothing here is outrageous that’s for sure.
As you note though, any number of not-hard-to-believe scenarios could be season-altering. I’m kinda preparing for anything but basically expecting 9 or 10 wins (barring injury).
First, I’m operating on the assumption that Walt is done for the year (as you appear to be). If anything happens to Lock, I’d say the passing game is screwed. Second, the pass defense could legitimately be awful, even with a decent pass rush. We’ll likely be susceptible (once again) to long passes but at least with Babs you get a few homeruns with your strikeouts. Third, Ruskell could opt for Brandon Coutu to “recoup” his investment, a decision that might be even more damaging to the pass defense than either Babs or BRuss by systematically giving away field position.
One question: You may have addressed this elsewhere but… I’m trying to find a place on this roster for Michael Bennett. Who goes?
If forced to make a head-to-head comparison with Craig Terrill (though it probably doesn’t play out like that) I’d opt for youth and upside over the one-dimensional tackle given that Bennett can replicate Terrill’s first step. You also have a lot of flexibility of should Bennett not prove up to the task. I’m hardly down on Terrill. He is still a good player, if limited. To me, that Terrill may be the least talented player on the DLine is a sign that Ruskell has actually amassed some pretty good talent in this area; no transcendent talent but depth that conservatively ranges from replacement level to solid star.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Aug 27, 2009 2:31 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I should restate: Walt may not be done for the year
but I expect this offensive line to develop its personality before he’s ready to play again.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Aug 27, 2009 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Walt does retire?
Does anyone know how this would affect our Cap?
by StonerHawks on Aug 27, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Knowing Ruskell
He would put Jones on IR and let Jones make the announcement. He paid Chris Gray even though Gray had retired. I think he will do the same for a legend like Jones.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"I’m trying to find a place on this roster for Michael Bennett. Who goes?"
One of the WR’s I think. Bumpus/Payne/Hass eligible for practice squad, I don’t think they keep more then five. I also don’t think Craig Terrill goes anywhere. The other possibility is only keeping six linebackers. It’ll be a close call between one of those two positions and Bennett, if he continues to play well.
by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 27, 2009 2:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They really need to dump Terrill for Bennett.
Any time I see Terrill in a game, I hold my breath, as I know our d-line is about to be punked.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
by Wayward Llama on Aug 27, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I will wait for injuries and decision on Walter before worrying too much about finding spots for players.
Early roster analysis makes for good discussion, but when the time comes it’s pretty straightforward.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Looking at the practice report for yesterday
we’re actually pretty healthy. Two guys sat out practice, and then there’s the three significant injuries (Walt, Tru, Spence). Feels like it was a lot worse than 5 to us kneejerkers.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 4:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if this will ease your mind about Coutu
but Ruskell has shown an ability to dump players that arn’t producing or not what the team needs, even if he’s the one that brought them in. TJ comes to mind (unless you think that was a panic move). It’s just a ray of hope for you, and nothing particularly tangible, but I like to believe that if Coutu can’t make the kickoffs, Mare will be kept instead.
by Fear on Aug 27, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
hope so
of course the pessimist in me goes right to, “Mare will probably pull something and we’ll have to go with Coutu.”
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Aug 27, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
that's interesting
We so often hear Ruskell described as stubborn,egotistical and wedded to the players he’s brought in. Until you mentioned it, I hadn’t thought of Duckett as the perfect counterexample.
by Mr Fish on Aug 27, 2009 4:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holmgren was wedded to his players far more than Ruskell
We’d probably still have Shaun as RB, Jerramy Stevens as TE, and D-Jack at WR if Holmgren were still running the show. That man was notorious for holding on too long and being overly forgiving with problem players.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reminiscent of Sweet Lou.
Cough cough sheriff cough.
by thebyron on Aug 28, 2009 6:42 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't hear or believe those things.
Not sure where that comes from, but I will say this: I’ll like Ruskell a lot more if he brings us our future at the RB position through the draft next year. :)
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 28, 2009 8:31 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if he needs to
If he invests our early picks in a new LT, QB, S, I’d be perfectly content with scrap heap running backs. Maybe hope for a mid rounds steal like Brandon Jacobs or Ryan Grant, picking up a vet (chester taylor?) as a little insurance? Tailback has to be the single most fungible position in the NFL.
by cro-mag! on Aug 28, 2009 12:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
"Fungible"..?
Ditto in that our HB situation doesn’t seem desperate, especially with Forsett still budding. I would think tackle or another O-line spot would be a much more pressing need if J.Jones and Forsett (assuming Edge won’t be around long) are even decent this year.
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 28, 2009 5:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd take Bennett over Terrill
Terrill has one good game a year and then disappears. I’d like someone who can more consistently get to and take down the QB as a backup and is more stout against the run. That could well be Bennett. I’d keep him too.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is a bandwagon I'm firmly on.
And I know virtually nothing about Bennett…
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 28, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
On Getting Lucky
Two of the likely tougher games, week 3 Chicago and week 4 @ Indy, are two teams that have issues at both tackle spots, and have yet to find a satisfying answer. I don’t want to overstate that, but it helps. Winning those two isn’t essential, but I’ve looked at them all summer as harbingers of this season.
On channeling 2007: with all of this in place, channeling 2008 in pass defense can still be a significant drag.
On pass rush: the first two games haven’t looked good, but of course I wouldn’t expect full adjustment and optimal execution, from the coaches or the players, this early. There’s a lot of time before it would really feel like it’s not working. So that’s encouraging, too.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Winning at Indy would be huge.
any given sunday!!!
If we can get to the bye 4-2, then bring back Walt and Spence to play the Cowboys….
by cro-mag! on Aug 27, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If we go into the bye 4-2 we'll finish 13-3.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 3:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK maybe not that.
But in very good standing. If we go into the bye 5-1, though, 13-3.
Which is all to say, I would be very surprised to see us beat the Colts on the road.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
4-2 into the bye is reasonable
Beat the Rams at home, Beat the 49ers in SF, Beat the Bears at home, Lose to the colts in Indy, Lose to the Jags at home, beat the cards at home. J
ust gotta take care of business at home and one game in SF. Jags here at Qwest could be a good game too, I’m crazy enough to think we can beat just about anybody here.
by cro-mag! on Aug 27, 2009 3:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's difficult to type and knock on wood at the same time
but I think beating the Jags in Qwest field is more than doable. It’s downright probable. If our run defense plays like it’s designed to (dominantly), the Jags will be forced into their weak pass game.
I do feel, though, that the Indy game could get ugly.
by PRIDEin253 on Aug 27, 2009 3:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agree. The Jags don't scare me.
Their run game is good, but luckily that’s our current strength. The don’t have much of a passing game.
I think we’re far more likely to lose versus Chicago.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Aug 27, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you hate Marcus Trufant?
Are you simply asking for Torry Holt to embarrass him once more, for old time’s sake?
Mike Smith is gone, and Gregg Williams, so I dunno if this will hold up, but they’re a ZBS busting defense. If we make the slightest twinge of an excuse for our pass rush against Denver on account of the Bronco line, we have something to worry about against Jacksonville.
It’s a winnable game. I don’t feel like it’s probable. I am another who feels that Chicago will be the better team, but I also feel we’re better built to beat them.
Honestly I feel 3-3. And I’m fine with it — UNLESS the three wins are merely division foes. Though those games are technically more important, the topic here is, the significance of our performance through the bye. If we don’t win outside of the division, I won’t feel good.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 4:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jags will be tough.
And though that is a winnable game, to be sure, I think Garrard is very underrated as a QB. He’s a much better passer than that chump Elisha in NY, for example. Plus, that ground game of theirs is going to be brutally effective. We’d better bring our rush-D ‘A’ game.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 28, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Really?
I think the Seahawks are underdogs @ Dallas, @ Arizona, @ Minnesota, and @ Green bay. And there’s a couple other tough games, @ Houston, and vs. Tennessee. I’d say they probably lose at least 3-4 games after the bye. Even still you would be going 10-6 if you went 4-2 before the bye.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I backed off it
but the point is, significance for the rest of the way. The contiguous stretch of CHI | @IND | JAX | ARI | @DAL is by far the toughest stretch on the schedule.
You’re thinking in purely static terms. The point is, if we get through that stretch, and have that record, that’s good. It’s not just a good start. I mean, that means we are good. That means we’re not underdogs on every road game and against every contender. We’d be on the path to being a real contender ourselves. If we’re 3-3 or 2-4 as expected, that means we’re about as good as we look, and what you’re saying is correct (and also the best case scenario).
This is purely conjecture, but I swear this team does a lot with momentum. For better and for worse. We lose to the Rams in a heartbreaker and a strong-looking team never recovers. We sneak past Dallas and New York and suddenly we’re one of the best teams in the league (before those two games we looked like nearly every other year during this contention window). I think other teams, good and bad, aren’t as affected by momentum. Pure conjecture. If we go 4-2, we’re well set up to face a modestly softer schedule on the way to double-digit wins. Really, 4-2 makes 10-6 the floor.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wouldn't say 10-6 would be the floor
But I see what you’re saying, I didn’t consider that.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2009 5:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would say 10-6 would be the floor
barring injuries.
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 27, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's a floor...
worthy of dancing on.
I actually looked at our schedule and AZ’s earlier this year and have us 10-6 and them 9-7. If we could just do that, we’re in the playoffs for sure, but I just don’t see us winning more than 10 unless we’re both lucky and healthy…
Please, for the LOVE OF GOD, stop suggesting next year's 1st round pick (or picks) be used for Taylor Mays and or a QB of the future. Let's just let the season unfold, people, and evaluate much deeper in the process!!!
by whiskey chainsaw on Aug 27, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right.
Barring injuries and only if we get off to that kind of start. I mean honestly, I expect 3-4 after Dallas. And a run that finishes 7-9 or 9-7. 10-6 being the ceiling. I guess my first comment was to quell unreasonable early expectations, on the attainability of 4-2 before the bye. I’m not expecting it, but if it did happen, it means we’re good.
by jacobstevens on Aug 28, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I could honestly see us losing all six of those contests.
Until our secondary/pass-rush shows me they can disrupt a passing-offense, I’ll be skeptical. TEN and MIN will bring top-notch rushing attacks. GB, ARI, DAL, and HOU will all field likely top-5 to top-10 passing offenses. I’m just not sure yet what our team has to hang their hat on other than our passing game and perhaps our front 7. I fear our secondary will be burned by all but the most inept of passing offenses.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Aug 28, 2009 8:41 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I would be freaking ecstatic.
If Manning’s receivers can’t step up, I could see Hasselbeck and co. winning a shootout.
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 27, 2009 4:33 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we'll beat Chicago
Cutler will have to deal with the noise in Qwest. Has he even been to Qwest? Our only Denver game the last two years was in Denver right?
First time QB in Qwest field equals pain.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 9:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's played several games at Arrowhead
I’m not sure if that crowd is as noisy now that there team is bad but it has a reputation of being incredibly loud.
by Nate Dogg on Aug 27, 2009 10:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Some things never leave you....
That little bit about SA reminded me a lot of 2007 Field Gulls. Nothing like kicking the shit out of a dead horse.
I’m glad he is gone..if for no other reason than the fact I don’t have to read about how bad he is in every post.
I don’t know why it was (and still is it would appear) such an emotional trigger for me.
Anyway, I feel this post was missing a B Russ slam.
As for points 1, 3, 4, and 5. I’m going to defer to your greatness and hold out hope they are possible. (That wasn’t meant in jest….I think you are amazing)
Being correct doesn’t always make it “right” though.
I saw a Kelly Jennings INT.......really....
by The Manchild on Aug 27, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Great article
Nice to have a bit of realistic optimism now and then.
It is what it is...
by kidder95 on Aug 27, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
in reading that after posting, it's tone was a little aggressive....
That wasn’t the intent.
I saw a Kelly Jennings INT.......really....
by The Manchild on Aug 27, 2009 2:58 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Don't worry about
Go after a sacred cow and people are going to be pissed, but I have to do it.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think 1 and 2 will definitely be the hardest
Your defense should be pretty good, but many of the offensive players are aging and/or injured. I just don’t see that unit being so productive.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 27, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He listed from easiest to hardest,
with 1 and 2 being the hardest.
by Fear on Aug 27, 2009 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we gotta at least get another look
at Locklear and Vallos.
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 27, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Before we further evaluate how productive this offense can be*
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by Cheddar28 on Aug 27, 2009 4:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Help me understand
How Babineaux is a strong run defender. The year: 2006. The places: San Francisco, Kansas City, Seattle, Arizona, etc. The crime: crappy run defense by Babs. Babs was being called upon to play safety for Boulware, who was either injured/ineffective or a combination. His instincts were getting the best of him and the Hawks were being burned deep like nobody. When Babs was in his run defense was exposed and it was not a pretty site. I remember Larry Johnson shedding him like a rain jacket on a sunny seattle day, I remember Frank Gore beating him like a rented mule. The guy was not good. He was so bad, they put Boulware back in to get burned deep again. It was the lesser evil that lead to the acquisition of Brian Russell and Deon Grant.
Does nobody else remember this?
What has Babs done since then to lead you to believe that he’s a better safety than Russell? I"m not a BRuss fan, don’t get me wrong. But I need to see something! Russell does eventually bring down the runner. He also keeps the plays in front of him (yards after the action, unfortunately). But he doesn’t get “posterized” like Babs did in 2006. I watch all the Hawks action, I like Big Play Babs. But I have not seen anything to make me believe he’s not the same run defender he was in 2006.
by Section 128 on Aug 27, 2009 4:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Didn't expect to use this phrase two times in as many minutes
but you’re thinking in static terms. This isn’t 2006. He was, what, a 3rd year project at that point, not yet ready as either a corner or a safety, but had been developed to be a corner up to that point.
by jacobstevens on Aug 27, 2009 4:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol...
“Consider the value added on every snap by replacing Alexander’s pass blocking with Jones or James’ pass blocking. The value added on ever snap by replacing Alexander’s pass catching with Jones, James or Forsett’s pass catching. Then, remember how bad Alexander was as a running back, and take a breath and know average beats the hell out of cripplingly awful.”
Couldn’t have said it any better…
by PoolNinja on Aug 27, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This post made me so stoked.
Let’s go Hawks!
Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 27, 2009 8:22 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Some problems with repeating 2007
-Kerney had about one third of the sacks for the team that year. If we’re lucky, he’ll have half that many this year. The 2008 Seahawks sack total dropped from 45 to 35, a 10 sack drop. Kerney’s sack total dropped by 9.5 during that same time. Not blaming Kerney, who was good last year while he played, but its pretty obvious this pass rush relies on him a LOT, and he’s probably an average pass rusher at this point nearing the precipice of his career.
-Tapp will probably play less in 2009 than he did in 2007 with Redding (and perhaps also Reed) taking snaps away. That’s going to hurt the pass rush unless Redding/Reed combine to be pretty awesome.
-Cole/Mebane is probably worth fewer sacks than Bernard/Mebane.
-More 4 man rushes and less blitzing.
-JP > Curry as a pass rusher at this point.
So in all, I have a really hard time seeing this current team crack 45. I think repeating last year’s 35 is very possible, and that’s not bad, but I don’ t think this year’s team has the potential to hit 45 sacks unless everything breaks right.
Additionally, Hasselbeck was healthier and out of his mind in 2007. This year, he’s coming off a career worst season and a serious injury that has a very good chance of recurring. He’s also 2 years further from his prime. His WR will be a lot better, although I would be surprised if Housh put up more yards than Engram did in 2007.
Tatupu also had a career year in 2007 and last year was his worst year. How he responds in this new defense will be interesting, but I doubt he matches his 2007.
by kearly on Aug 27, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I am not going to argue
I just wanted to point out this is a coincidence.
-Kerney had about one third of the sacks for the team that year. If we’re lucky, he’ll have half that many this year. The 2008 Seahawks sack total dropped from 45 to 35, a 10 sack drop. Kerney’s sack total dropped by 9.5 during that same time. Not blaming Kerney, who was good last year while he played, but its pretty obvious this pass rush relies on him a LOT, and he’s probably an average pass rusher at this point nearing the precipice of his career.
Kerney’s decline contributed to the decline of Seattle’s pass rush. We can’t be sure how much. Kerney declining by 9.5 sacks and Seattle declining by 10 sacks is a coincidence.
I am not saying kearly is arguing it is more than a coincidence. I just wanted to clarify.
by John Morgan on Aug 27, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think its a coincidence
That said, Kerney’s unavailability only partially explains the drop. When Kerney left, players replaced him and got sacks, meaning that Kerney’s 9.5 sack defecit was probably more like a ~6 sack deficit. Even if they hadn’t, Seattle as a team dropped 10 sacks, which is more than the difference from Kerney alone, so sacks were being “lost” for other reasons as well. I do think though that the difference between a career year and an injured year from the teams only dominating (10+ sack potential) front four pass rusher had a huge impact on the totals, in much the same way that injuries to Hasselbeck and the WR had such a brutal impact on the passing game.
I think some of that will come back. Kerney was on pace for more than 10 sacks before his injury. Kerney will decline from age, but I think if he plays 16 games, he should be worth 5-10 sacks over a full season, unless he completely tanks or he utterly fails to adjust.
Still, when you look at the 2007 team and its success, its pass rush was one of the biggest reasons for it, and Kerney’s career year was a big reason for the team managing 45 sacks. Simply put, without Kerney the team does not get to 45 sacks in 2007, and probably not even 40 sacks unless his replacement was worth 10 sacks. Because we can safely assume that 14.5 sacks from Kerney is extremely unlikely in 2009, that’s one area where matching the 2007 performance and totals will be very difficult. Not impossible, but for the team to maintain the 2007 pass rush, they’d need the rest of the defense to pick up an extra ~5-10 sacks, unless Kerney goes nuts again.
by kearly on Aug 28, 2009 11:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kerney's pressure contributes to sacks from other players
Great pass rushers produce their own sacks and contribute to the sacks by other players. Replacing Kerney with a less fearsome pass rusher, then can reduce the sack total contributed at his postion (LDE or whatever) and in the rest of the defense (LB, RDE, DT, etc).
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 1:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rocky never impressed me
I think we’ll get our sacks from more places this year and some of the pressure will be off Kerney. I think Redding can match Bernard’s sack total. And I think Mebane can exceed it. We’ll probably get more sacks from the front four this year even if Kerney does drop off a little. If Curry and Leroy can’t combine to match or exceed Ju-P’s sack production, that will surprise me. And Tapp in his contract year and Reed looking like a 7th round steal, I see an increase in sacks, not a decrease.
Why shouldn’t Tatupu be able to match 2007? Our D-line is bigger and better overall. We have Cory Redding at DE and not Lo-Jack or Tapp. Tapp is being better utilized in the passing game now too.
If we perform worse on the D-line than 2007, then our attempts to upgrade have failed. I’m guessing that is your assumption with this post.
You even bother to look at Rocky Bernard’s sack totals since 2005? He hasn’t exceeded 4 sacks a year since he had 8.5 in 2005. Brandon Mebane got more sacks than Rocky Bernard in 2008 playing the one tech. What does that tell you?
Now Brandon Mebane is the three tech. I bet he exceeds by quite a bit that 4 sack total Rocky had last year.
I’m getting the feeling your the resident downer guy for the board. I’ll keep it in mind.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't seem like a downer to me
Just a closer, realistic look at other positions and an honest comparison of 07 to 09 (thus far).
Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.
by Cheddar28 on Aug 28, 2009 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not being a downer, just shedding light on reality and factors to consider
There is a big difference.
Anyway,
Regarding Bernard, if you want to rag on Bernard for having 4 sacks last year, keep in mind that’s more sacks than Cole has for his career. I’m definitely not a fan of the D-line moves, actually wasn’t a big fan of anything on defense except for the coaching changes. I actually wrote out my reasons in great detail why but it was obscenely long, so I deleted it (cliff notes version: Brian Fucking Russell, didn’t like JP/Curry tradeoff short-term, Cole is bad and will get too many reps, Tapp and Bryant are good but will get too few). I’ll just leave it at that. In fairness to your argument, I don’t think Cole/Mebane will combine for 9.5 sacks like Bernard/Mebane did in 2008, but then again, this isn’t about 2008, its about 2007. And in 2007 they combined for 5.5. 2009 Cole/Mebane should be able to match if not exceed 5.5. I still think that Cole is probably worse than Bernard, but technically it will not hurt the pass rush vs. 2007.
Regarding Reed: As much as I like the kid, lets wait until we see what he can do against 1st team O-lineman in real games before we crown him. Nick Reed had like 30 sacks the last two years for a prominent, ranked BCS conference team, and yet he still went nearly undrafted. The reason is because, even if he can sack the QB in the pros, his size is such a liability that he won’t be able to start and will only play in situational, pass rushing downs, similar to Craig Terrill. I feel that Reed definitely has value to this team and I’ll be incensed if he doesn’t make the final 53, but because of how his opportunities will be very limited, I don’t expect him to have a major impact on the sack totals.
Tatupu had a career year in 2007, and career years are very hard to live up to. Since that time, a lot has happened, a huge contract, a DUI, a ton of injuries, a poor 2008 performance, and a new defense with a new DC. I agree that more size in the front four will help Tatupu, but it will still be a huge challenge equaling his best year ever.
JP and Hill combined for 12.5 sacks in 2007. Curry averaged 2 sacks a season at Wake Forest, and Hill has averaged 2 sacks a year since moving to weakside LB. I’d be shocked, no, giddy, if Curry and Hill combined for 12.5 sacks this year, especially since the team will be blitzing linebackers less. This is probably the area where I am most expecting to see a drop off from 2007.
There are plenty of things where I think the 2009 team is better than 2007: WR, RB, TE, and arguably even the O-line and CB’s depending on how the Jones/Trufant/Spencer injuries pan out. I don’t expect Hasselbeck to throw for almost 4000 yards and 28 TD’s again, especially since this offense will be almost as run happy as it was pass happy in 2007. That said, it could still be a very efficient pass offense that helps the team control the game, even if it doesn’t light up the stat sheet. I think it will be a good pass offense, and being top 10 is possible if the team adjusts its play calling to match its strengths.
I also think the pass rush will be good, or about as good as it was in 2008 (10th in NFL for sacks), but I don’t think it has almost any chance of being 2007 good (4th). When you look at the reasons for Seattle’s 45 sacks in 2007, those reasons are diminished or downsized in 2009. I mean it could happen, but of the 5 things on this list, this team getting 45 sacks would shock me the most.
by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 12:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What about the addition of Redding?
Do you not think we will get production from him?
Why are they going to blitz the LBs less? Is that really Bradley’s plan? Why are they bothering to encourage Curry to bltiz from two positions if they don’t plan on blitzing the LBs?
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 12:38 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bradley's MO
is more front 4 rushing, less blitzing. I actually think its a smart philosophy if you get a stellar front 4 and a terrific group of coverage LB’s.
I like the addition of Redding, but he’s a good player being used incorrectly. As a pass rushing DT, he’d be a clear upgrade over Cole or Bernard. Supposedly though, his knee (past injuries) is not suitable for full time DT work anymore. The Lions tried Redding at DE and the results were unspectacular if not outright disappointing. On 3rd downs he will upgrade the line when they play him at DT, but on 1st and 2nd down he’ll be keeping Tapp on the bench by playing DE, and Tapp is not only better than Redding for getting sacks but is also very disruptive even when he doesn’t sack. So on 1st and 2nd down, I think Redding is a downgrade, but on 3rd down he’s an upgrade.
by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 12:45 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you even bother to read that Bradley is not planning to use a pure Tampa 2
It sounds like you are basing your analysis off misinformed ideas.
Are you watching the games?
Tapp’s been dropping into coverage. Curry has been lining up at DE as well as blitzing from the second level. I haven’t seen much blitzing from Leroy Hill and I hope that picks up.
Your analysis sounds like assumptions based on your knowledge of the Tampa 2 rather than watching what the team is doing on the field.
Redding is being misused? Do you even listen to Mora? Redding is the LDE. Mora wants him to set the edge against the run. Using a converted DT with pass rush ability at LDE seems like an ideal role for Redding. It seems to me that Redding will being doing what he does best. When he played defensive end he made alot of tackles and held the edge against the run. And on passing downs he’s moving inside where he has shown to be a very good pass rusher.
How he is a downgrade on 1st and 2nd down if the other team is running the ball? Redding is better against the run than Tapp and will hold that edge better. So I disagree.
You write alot, but you don’t seem to be keeping up with what the coaches are saying or doing. I’m not getting that.
What you are in essence implying is:
1. Curry will not be an effective pass rusher compared to Julian Peterson even though he will be in a similar role. I can agree with that for year one, but he may well grow into the role. And he will be blitzing, that is for sure. This not blitzing the linebackers as much is not something I think is true given how hard they are working to teach Curry blitzing.
2. That Redding won’t be much of a factor because is being wrongly used even though he is being used in roles he has excelled at. DE against the run and DT against the pass. Both areas where he had career years.
3. Our passing game won’t be as good as 2007 because Matt just can’t equal a career year again and is too much of an injury risk.
Sounds to me like all you’re doing it outlining worst case scenarios. They don’t even sound like average scenarios. I’ll have to see how you’re batting average is come the regular season.
At the moment you sound way off in your analysis. You seem to brush over those things that don’t fit in with your analysis and ignore information directly from the coaches mouths or what you’ve seen on the field. I find that odd, but you can see if you’re right come the regular season.
Some things I seriously disagree with:
1. We’ll be blitzing the LBs more this year than in previous years.
2. Redding is being utilized to maximize his strengths. He is an upgrade to Tapp against the run and an upgrade to Cole against the pass.
3. Colin Cole may be better than you think. James Harrison took a long time to show what he could do in this league too. If you check Colin Cole’s stats, he makes some tackles and gets a sack here and there. And that is in spot playing time. He may be a late bloomer and he does seem to be getting better with age. So I’m not going to discount the guy until I see him play a season or two full time at NT. Check out his stats. Given his position and playing time, they aren’t too bad. And results are what you want and stats are results.
We’ll see how the team does. Alot of question marks. But I think they are more focused on the O-line and pass defense than on Matt or the D-line. Matt and the receivers and the D-line seem like a real strength.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 1:46 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
A few more points.
Big Red has been performing well enough that I think he’ll get some time in games that matter. Same thing with Reed. I also believe that Hill will be blitzing quite a bit, and he’s had success there in the past. Curry may not be a great blitzer this year, but he’s got the tools to do it well.
by thebyron on Aug 29, 2009 11:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ok then,
First, Bradley has never been an NFL DC before- he never called a single play in Tampa. He’s coached 2 preseason games so far using vanilla defenses- whatever happened in the last two games is nearly meaningless for determining his system though because he’s using vanilla defenses. All we can really do is guess what his style will be, and I’ve heard from multiple sources, including this site, and I believe even from his own mouth in interviews, that he prefers rushing 4. I never said he’s implementing a pure tampa 2, (most people agree that’s unlikely) but most people expect him to bring some principles from it. And like I said earlier, I don’t think rushing 4 is bad, I actually like it, but the team must commit to the strongest pass rushing front 4 as much as it can get away with to make it successful, especially given our thin and checkered secondary.
On that subject, I don’t like Redding at DE because the teams zone pass defense will live and die by the pass rush, and they need pash rush help a lot worse than run defense help. Seattle’s run defense ranked 13th last year despite trailing in games most of the season. A Tapp, Redding, Mebane, Kerney front four could be near elite at pressuring the QB while not sacrificing much against the run. I’m glad that this group will be featured on 3rd down- but I think it should be featured more on 1st and 2nd downs as well. Further, Seattle’s 3 LB’s as a group are outstanding at stopping the run, so I think sacrificing pass rush for run stopping is a bad idea, unless its the playoffs (where run D matters a lot) or the Seahawks are playing from behind (and teams start running the ball to control the clock).
NFL.com currently ranks Hasselbeck as the #15 NFL QB, which is pretty much exactly how I feel about him. He has potential to be top 10, but being age 34 adds substantial risk, coming off a terrible season adds substantial risk, and coming off an injury notorious for recurring is a worrisome risk. He’s also entering a new offense with 2 new WR, and additionally Knapp favors running the ball, which means fewer pass attempts and lower totals. Add the good with the bad, and #15 sounds right to me.
Curry without developing further is a fast, powerful tackle machine that can cover well in man. He could develop and become the greatest LB in the game, but because he’s a rookie and we don’t know how fast he’ll develop or if he’ll develop at all, it makes projecting his totals difficult. That said, his matching JP’s 9.5 sacks is probably beyond my wildest dreams as a rookie, considering that he had 8 sacks in 4 years in college.
Regarding Cole, he has 3.5 sacks in 6 years! And gets destroyed by double teams. He was a UDFA twice cut by his team(s), and his second best offer was less than half what the Seahawks paid. I know I said these already, but since you asked me to “look up the stats” I felt the need to reiterate my points. I don’t mind Cole as a backup on the cheap, but as a sub-mediocre overpaid starter, he’s the Seahawks Miguel Batista. That he’s blocking superior players adds insult to injury.
I’m not outlining worst case scenarios. Worst case scenario would be things like Hasselbeck repeating his 2008 season as one of the worst QB’s in the NFL, or the sack total drops from 2008 (I predict it will stay the same or rise slightly), or that Bradley and Knapp will be terrible retards that suck ass (I like both of their styles for the most part). The spirit of this thread is how the Seahawks can get to the superbowl, and unabashedly, the thread details areas where the team will need near best case scenarios (like 4000 yards passing or 45 sacks). When evaluating probability, you have to consider the good and the bad. You seem to be expecting those totals. I think they are possible, but pretty unlikely when you consider everything. Overall, I think this is a 7 to 9 win team. They could easily win fewer than 7 games and could certainly win more than 9, but I think the greatest probability is that this is an average team that will contend for the playoffs and perhaps even contend in the playoffs.
If you think this team is prepped for another top 10 offense and other 45 sacks, I suggest you put $100 dollars on the Seahawks right now, because they’ve got 50-1 odds of winning it all (which to me sounds about right).
And for what its worth, last year I predicted the 2008 Seahawks to go 13-3 and that Lawrence Jackson would be a total stud.
by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 7:20 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who were Hass's receivers in 2007?
He had that out of his mind year with no running game, every team keying on the pass against us, and lesser receivers than we have this year. I expect Hass will be giving other team’s nightmares again.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 27, 2009 10:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Engram, Burleson, a few games from Hackett, a couple games from Branch
Engram was the go-to guy, he didn’t have a TE he could trust (F-U Pollard) and the starting RB couldn’t catch even when he didn’t have giant cast on.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 28, 2009 8:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Career years are very hard to match
It’s like when Adrian Beltre hit 48 homers with a broken foot, he was healthy the next 5 years but never hit more than 26 after that despite missing very few games and staying mostly healthy.
Hasselbeck is recovering from a back problem which could return at any time, as is the nature of back problems. He’s also 34, right about where non-HOF QB’s experience career death. Hasselbeck’s arm was pathetically weak and inaccurate last year. Seneca Wallace dramatically outplayed Hasselbeck with the same terrible WR group.
Currently Hasselbeck is healthy and looking good. He’s always relied on his intelligence more than his arm to win games, which is the only reason that I have any faith in him after last season, WR or no. I think Hasselbeck definitely has it in him to be a good QB for another year or two but there is an awful lot that can go wrong, he’s one of the riskiest “good” QB’s in the league. So while I do think he has the potential to have another good/great season, the chances of him collapsing again is probably equally high if not higher. Overall, I take the good with the bad, and I’m simply hoping that he can stay healthy and lead a slightly above average passing offense.
WR-wise, 2007 was not that bad. What Engram lacked he made up for with chemistry with Hasselbeck, to the tune of 1147 yards. Don’t get me wrong, I think TJ Housh is the man, a great fit for this team and an awesome WR. But he averaged 9.7 yards per catch last year and at that rate, he’d need almost 120 catches to surpass Engram’s 2007. I think more realistically, Housh will end up with 800-1000 yards. Burleson also had a pretty stellar year, with 10 TD’s. I’d also take Hackett and his nearly 100 yards per game over Butler as a rookie. I think that the WR’s are better this year than 2007 in terms of talent, but not necessarily on production.
by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 12:40 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You probably would have thought Matt would never have matched 2005
given your assumption about him.
To me Matt is a true top tier QB. His injury in 2006 was a cheap shot. His 2007 injury was him trying to push through something he should have shut down in training camp because he didn’t want to let his team down. Matt’s going to blaze this year. The injury was diagnosed and rehabilitated. Though back injuries can be fickle, they can also disappear for years. Alot of people though Randy Johnson was done when his back gave out, but he came back to win multiple Cy Young’s once he got it fixed. I see no reason to believe Matt can’t as well.
And yeah, I know football is more physical than baseball.
by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 1:54 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's 6 months older than Peyton Manning, 4 years younger than Kurt Warner
and 6 years younger than Randy Johnson when he picked up his last Cy Young.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gosh
I’m surprised you didn’t mention Brett Favre.
Troy Aikman, a HoF’er, retired just after turning 34 and had only one good season after turning 30. For most QB’s, even good ones, you start seeing incremental declines each year after 30, and 34-35 is usually the tipping point if not sooner.
by kearly on Aug 30, 2009 7:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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