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Seattle Seahawks 14 - Kansas City Chiefs 10 (Winners and Losers)

Corey Mays is forgiven for his foul. John Carlson deemed no flag shall be thrown.

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Corey Mays is forgiven for his foul. John Carlson deemed no flag shall be thrown.

Winners

Seattle Seahawks: Won at Arrowhead. Won with their starters and won with their depth. The Seahawks showed something passing, rushing, defending the pass and in coverage teams.

Matt Hasselbeck: Has developed #1-receiver like chemistry with T.J. Houshmandzadeh. Hasselbeck showed confidence in the system and decisiveness in his reads. Spread the ball well. Better poise in the pocket and near flawless decision making.

T.J. Houshmandzadeh: Fulfilling potential of stronger, more athletic Bobby Engram.

John Carlson: Better as a blocker, and taking his receiving game to the heights of ‘game-changing'.

Julius Jones: Productive, undemanding, reliable and fearsome as a pass blocker.

Courtney Taylor: Played with the first team and contributed. Put a sizable gap between himself and Ben Obomanu.

Ray Willis: His pass protection has grown in bounds.

Nate Burleson: Freed from Holmgren's exacting offense.

Aaron Curry: Still a rookie, but fans needed to see the athleticism and power. See the athleticism and power.

Will Herring: Herring entered the league a tweener with a legitimate chance to never make it. His light build and cover-only instincts threatened his chance to ever become an NFL linebacker. Tonight, he survived in the scrum and showed what it's like to have a linebacker with DB zone skills.

Darryl Tapp: Disruptive.

Josh Wilson: Incredible awareness. Wilson adjusted to an underthrown ball as it passed over the linebackers and broke for an impressive near-pick before defending the ball from his back.

Derek Walker: Made impressive plays in garbage time to protect him from the cut to 75.

Losers

Devin Moore: Cut is a lock, but does Seattle bother with the practice squad?

Logan Payne, Jordan Kent, Mike Hass and Michael Bumpus: Will, short of injury,  not make the roster.

Jeff Rowe: Camp days coming to an end.

Steve Vallos: Enough of a problem at center that Seattle will entertain free agents.

Seneca Wallace: That grimace and sullen look says: "the dreaded groin."

Olindo Mare: Unable to make up ground.

Kevin Hobbs: Picked on and playing his way out of the league.

Ken Lucas: Another so-so game.

Lofa Tatupu: Have we reached the point where Tatupu is too bulked up? I think he'd have trouble hugging me.

Cameron Morrah: Now well behind Joe Newton.

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What about Floyd?

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 29, 2009 8:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Floyd is too far gone.

That pick is not going to save him.

by John Morgan on Aug 29, 2009 8:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hope the team uses Herring.

Dude would be a nickel LB beast. Is Laury’s spot now in serious jeopardy or does his ST leadership save him?

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

FYI

“Nate Burleson: Freed from Holmgren’s exacting defense.

And that pick was pretty from Herring.

by cashless on Aug 29, 2009 8:20 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Lofa

I thought he looked really really slow and out of place all night.

by Hancock.Brett on Aug 29, 2009 8:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't disagree

however I’m really hoping he was just over eager to avoid getting injured. Some of his tackling was distinctly un-Lofa-like.

by JamesMurphy on Aug 30, 2009 6:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A few of the times

it really seemed to me like this was the case.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 30, 2009 8:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I want to see if your take on Vallos is true

From what I saw Vallos had two problems with the snap. One a late snap and one a snap that Hass had a little trouble with.

Other than that he did not block glaringly bad. The line only gave up one sack. And the run game showed signs of life. I’m not sure Knapp and Mora will be looking for free agents given how well the line protected Matt and the progress the run game showed.

But we’ll see this week if they look at the tape and come to similar conclusions. I tend to think they might well assume that Vallos tossed into the game after one week in a loud stadium like Arrowhead might account for some of his mistakes. I certainly don’t like to give up on players with as little time in as Vallos. You don’t need a power blocker at center. You need a solid, consistent blocker who can lead the line and make the line calls. All Vallos needs to do to keep his job is keep on improving every week.

I really want to see if the coaches see things as badly as you see them. I know I watched that game and I’m not seeing it. Vallos didn’t look outstanding and he made a few mistakes, but he didn’t look lost or overpowered either.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Coaches and commentators seem to like him.

John is the only person I’ve come across that slams him.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 8:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What bugs me

is that Vallos gets a lot of undeserving praise but Willis (a guy who really seems to be coming along) gets almost no mention from those same guys.

by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 10:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

with you on that

But I’m a bit of a Spencer fan, and notice a big drop off to Vallos. What has surprised me, is that – despite the freakish strength which suggests the opposite – Sims is great in pass pro, not so great of a run blocker. Just like John has said.

It seems like it shouldn’t be true, but it is.

I’ve started watching Willis a bit, and he’s every bit the road grader that you’d expect Sims to be. Good to hear he’s improving his pass pro skills too.

by PerryCollective on Aug 29, 2009 11:55 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spencer is physically a beast

I had high hopes for Spencer because he is physically the best center we’ve had in a long while. He is better than Vallos or Toebeck physically. He has power and is athletic. He can handle DTs on his own, even DTs as good as Casey Hampton. Spencer is a big, strong dude. I’ve watched him drive block people that Toebeck or Vallos never will be able to drive block.

That being said. An O-line needs consistency over power from the center. You’re not looking for pure physical power guy at the center position as much as you’re looking for a guy who can lead your O-line and make sure the entire line is working together as a unit.

If you recall in 2007 Chris Gray was making line calls because Spencer wasn’t up to the task. In 2008 he did not seem to be doing much better. You see the Buffalo game and how badly they owned us? I have no doubt that part of that was line communication.

A center should be on the field on Sunday and on the field during practice as well as in the film room as often as he can be. He must be one of the most consistent people on your O-line in practice and on the field.

I’m not seeing that from Spencer. Sure he shows up on Sunday for all of 2006, 2007 and most of 2008. But has he learned how to make the guys around him better? Has he been in the film room all week practicing line calls? Is he keeping a mental rolodex of players and teams he faces so he knows what to look for from a given defensive scheme? Is he on the practice field enough to answer the coach when he asks “Spence, what do you see? What’s the formation? Where’s the blitz coming from”? Does he have good repoire with Matt and does he work with Matt in practice to maximize QB/Center communication to improve protection calls?

I don’t know, but I’m not seeing the line flourish under a guy that may well be showing up underprepared on Sunday and during his one full season under center had a guard making his line calls because he wasn’t up to the task. And in 2008 that line didn’t look to be coming together any better. Matt got hammered and sacked like mad.

Our best O-line was one that had worked together for many years. It seems to me that when you’re talking O-lines, you don’t necessarily need the greatest athletes which is why alot of fat, slow men man many O-lines. And through consistency they become effective. I’m not saying you don’t need good athletes on your O-line, you do. But I am saying that at center you could lose some of the athleticism and power if a guy can make the others around him better and consistently lead your O-line and make the line calls. That means being there not only on Sunday, but during practice and in that film room learning what you need to learn to make your O-line the best it can be.

I have no idea if Vallos will be the guy to step up and do that for us. But I’m willing to give him a chance if he can do what is needed mentally to make the O-line better and be an adequate blocker. The line needs to come together and that requires they practice as well as everyone showing up on Sunday.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 1:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

How do you know that Spencer isn't putting in the homework?

Sounds just like more “Spencer is a raw athlete” and “Vallos is a more of a cerebral guy with a blue-collar work ethic”.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 12:53 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Willis is a beast

Glad to see him getting time on the field. I’ve been wanting to see him on th field a while.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 1:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Me too.

Glad to know I wasn’t deceived by training camp success.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevan Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 30, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and anyone who watches carefully as

he gets thrown around. He may have made some strides, last year he was simply terrible.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 29, 2009 9:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was ashworth-esque

against Dallas last year.

by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 10:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Horrible tonight

Whiffed in embarrassing fashion on an RB, and on the next play, rushed the line with his head down and missed the play by yards. I guess lucky for him that he missed by so much, that on tape it doesn’t look as bad as the near miss.

by PerryCollective on Aug 29, 2009 11:57 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wasn't going to mention it (I think Russell has been mentioned around here at some stage before.. ;-) )

But, wow, was he bad. Tried to make a point of looking out for Babs playing safety, but I was watching a stream at it was too grainy to pick him up coming from deep consistently. Hope he stepped up in the eyes of the coaches – would at least like to see him given a chance there.

by JamesMurphy on Aug 30, 2009 6:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just saying.

No need to attack…..I didn’t say that I thought he was good or anything.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 9:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Who's attacking?

Man, there’s some sensitivity in here lately.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 29, 2009 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It was more about cashless's comment being backhanded.

Not the other two.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 9:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It didn't read that way to me

I thought he was ripping the commentators.

by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 10:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

My bad then.

To me it came across as “you’re stupid for implying that Vallos isn’t that bad” but I could be wrong.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This

And general local media take an entire interview and decide which one or two quotes they will use.

If they want to take the part from coaches where they praise the work ethic of a young player who completes a transition to a new position and is “just hanging in there” but with a great attitude and showing some progress learning the position they get to do that. That is what happened last year.

If you read everything they write you figure out their audience is a bunch of fans who barely know the game and want to learn human interest details about the team that they can repeat to their friends, not a scouting report on each individual player.

by cashless on Aug 29, 2009 11:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fans who know the game

Don’t assume players are no good based on a handful of games where a given player is thrown into a position he has not played before.

I’m going to wait and see what the results are before I start bagging on Vallos or Colin Cole. And for me durability and the ability to make the people around you better are going to be big considerations over raw physical ability.

I’d bet money if people saw Toebeck early in his career and Spencer, they would be bagging hard on Toebeck and saying he was a lost cause because he wasn’t nearly the physical specimen Spencer was. But Toebeck managed to become a top flight center that lead one of the best O-line’s Seattle has ever had. And he needed a ton of guard help as well.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 1:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Vallos isn't quick, fast, or strong.

Like Chris Gray.

Robbie was at least somewhat athletic. And the years Robbie did look great happened to be years he was next to Hutchinson, as you noticed. If there were two guys pass rushing on the left, all he had to do was look right and help someone out. If there were three on the left, then he’d tell the back to go left.

I’m overstating his job, he was quite good at some things. But when you have guys mitigating your weaknesses your strengths shine much easier. Vallos’ biggest strength is his versatility, he’s kind of a Chris Gray. That makes him a glue guy, but also the first guy to get replaced by a more legitimately talented and strong offensive lineman, if that guy can stay healthy and understand the offense. He’d not a true center, he’s an emergency center. Wrotto is also an emergency center, but neither is going to be the guy you want there long term IMO.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 6:43 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Chris Gray is kind of a funny example to use

I seem to recall many a season where it was dubbed as – “the year so and so displaces Chris Gray from his starting right guard spot” – only time and again to see Chris Gray in the starting lineup, year after year, until the day he was forced to retire. So if Steve Vallos ends up being the next Chris Gray, I’m probably all for it. As long as he gets it done I could care less if he’s not the dream athlete that Chris Spencer is.

And btw, I really don’t know where this “he’s not very strong” opinion is coming from. By reports he is said to be one of the strongest Seahawks in the weight room. The strongest among the o-linemen in fact. Or is that just public perception and smoke?

Spencer’s more than likely lost his job by the time he comes back. If things are gelling and Vallos is getting it done then I hope Knapp is smart enough to leave well enough alone. The o-line is already dealing with continuity issues, and to mess with continuity at that point is probably a very bad idea.

by Catoblepas on Aug 30, 2009 7:34 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

So is Rob Sims, yet he consistently does not blow people away in the run game.

And I would love to see the “reports,” they are not something I’ve read. Can you link for me?

I think Unger starts at C, with Wrotto at RG. And Spencer will be lucky to get his job back.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 7:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sims claims Vallos is the strongest

on the bench press, at least. When asked about that, strength coach Mike Clark said that may be true about Vallos’ upper body strength, but Sims really pushes a lot of weight on his squats.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks, Stevo

I’m not sure that there’s a link for you, cash. There might be something at .com. I actually heard this being discussed over the radio. At one point Sims was the strongest, but the injury to his peck has set him back a bit as far as raw bench press goes. So I guess maybe you could say Vallos is the weight room champ by default.

Still, I fail to see how one could call Vallos weak or “not very powerful” based on the facts. Strength and power are not everything. If they were then scrubs like Brock Lesnar would be able to walk into an NFL camp and stand a good shot at earning a job. It’s a combination of power and technique that makes a good lineman. Vallos’ technique is obviously still a bit raw, and understandably so, but I need to see a bit more damning proof that he is as bad as he is being made out to be by some in this forum.

by Catoblepas on Aug 30, 2009 9:06 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bench press does not make an offensive lineman.

Leg and core strength makes up a large part of the ability to hold a block and to move a defender. When Vallos shows he can do that to even an average NFL DT then maybe we can feel ok about him starting. Personally, I have yet to see it(I didn’t get to see much of last night’s game, had to sleep) but have seen Vallos being pushed around often.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 9:12 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

all I know is I miss Pork Chop Womack

Womack was a powerful man who could play both guard positions and both tackle positions, at least as a good backup. Last year was his healthiest and best year and he was one of the O linemen who really saved our line from being bad after all the injuries.

How valuable he would have been this year to provide depth and experience at multiple positions. This year’s personnel mistake was to let him walk, I think.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 9:30 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes I know he wore out his welcome

due to his many injuries.

But in 2008, Pork Chop was the healthiest O lineman on the Seahawks, played in 15 games, and started in all four of our wins. He’s now starting for the Browns, who usually have a good O line.

I’m just concerned that with how thin we are Tackle right now we could really use a versatile backup like him.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 10:54 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd agree with this.

I thought Chop was a pretty valuable backup.

by djafrot on Aug 30, 2009 2:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tobeck played a lot of guard early in his career

and he was a part of an o-line that took the Falcons to the Super Bowl behind an awesome running game. He was a top-12 center when he came to Seattle.

by Jo-Jo on Aug 30, 2009 8:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Coutrney Taylor

I think this offense has freed him up, also. He seems to be making very good plays in the clutch. Hasselbeck shows so serious trust.

by Hawksince76 on Aug 29, 2009 8:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't know about Burleson.

He only had 2 seasons with Holmgren. If he weren’t injured last year, it’s possible he would have had a successful season last year.

by LantermanC on Aug 29, 2009 8:33 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Burleson looked good

Two catches for 49 years. He’s still our best YAC Guy. I hope he can equal or match his TD production in 2007. The receiving corps look tough this year.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I sure hope Lofa puts it together.

It’s not just the fact that he’s too big though, it almost looks like he’s not sure where he’s supposed to be at times.
Perhaps your A+ rating jinxed him.

by LantermanC on Aug 29, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not sure if you read up at Seahawks.com

But they talked with Lofa and the LBs are playing differently this year.

According to Lofa they are playing off the line more and expected to wait until the safety makes a pass or run read before they attack the line compared to previous years where they played “downhil” as Lofa put it. So I think he is learning a new way to play the game. It might be affecting his game a bit. But once he gets it down, I’m sure will improve our overall game.

I still remember when Spags installed the new defensive system in New York. The first two games the Giants gave up like 30 plus points a game, and once they figured out the new defense then went on to win a record number of games on the road and became a top 10 defense. So let’s hope for similar results in Seattle once they get up to speed with the new defensive system.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, none of the starting LBs look as dominant as they should.

I was thinking it was a new scheme thing as well.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 8:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The quote is from an article on Seahawks.com

"It’s tough," Tatupu said. "For my first four years, it was almost like seek-and-destroy. Just come downhill. But now, there are times when they ask us to disguise and hold the look long enough to give a safety a chance to make a read on whether it’s pass or run."

Not sure what it means in terms of on the field play, but I’m assuming it’s a presnap read.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lofa's performance depends on Brian Russell

We are all doomed.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 29, 2009 9:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it depends on Brian Russel's ability to read a play

We’re ok. Russell has kept his job all these years because he is good at reading defenses, not because he is a great physical specimen.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 1:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was just going to comment on that

We have probably the best 4-3 trio of LB’s in the league (not to mention Lewis and Hawthorne) and so far through 3 preseason games the LB corps has been surprisingly dormant.

by kearly on Aug 29, 2009 10:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Knowing Lofa's intelligence and intuition

He’ll be on top of things before too much longer. He’s not a defensive leader for nothin’

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 30, 2009 2:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Josh Wilson did look good

I knew they would use him blitzing eventually. He’s our best DB blitzer. I want to see more of that. If used right, his speed will be a nice asset on the blitz as he flies in to affect the QB.

Aaron Curry, three tackles, all solo. He wrapped up Larry Johnson like he was some 200 lb RB. Total ease. He’s got the tools, they just need to be honed at the NFL level.

Not real worried about Tatupu. He’ll lose weight and get up to speed as the season moves on. Maybe he bulked up so that he won’t lose as much weight during the regular season to protect him from injury. He still made 4 tackles and defensed a pass. He was still the best LB on the field. A guy isn’t going to make every play and every tackle. He’s learning this new defensive system as well. From what he said recently, the LBs are not playing as downhill as Lofa is used to. Which seems odd since I always assumed John Marshall was having them play read and react, but from what Lofa said it sounds like he just had them playing straight to the line. I’m sure he’ll get up to speed with the new system.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 8:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

many players do

I can’t say I’m too worried about Lofa either. Not all veterans take preseason games very seriously. Coaches can tell them to play with intensity, but no one wants the stars hurt in preseason and they can get away without putting it all out there until game one. I’ll wait for the regulation games to judge our veterans

by Stevo's on Aug 29, 2009 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm still not seeing eye to eye...

… with the perception that says Tatupu is somehow overweight. Moreover, if he actually is carrying more weight I’m not seeing how it’s negatively affecting his play on the field. Lofa is Lofa and is as much as a standout now as he was 4-5 years ago.

by Catoblepas on Aug 29, 2009 11:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

John's point as I understood it was that he perhaps is too muscle-bound, not "overweight."

And 5 years ago he was in college. He has played four NFL seasons, the first one of which he certainly was not the standout he came to be.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 1:10 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all relevant, Captain Technical

Too much muscle, too much girth – whatever it may be. It’s the reason behind someone’s speculation that Lofa suddenly is less of a tackler.

5 years ago, yes Tatupu was still in college, and yes, he was still a standout talent as I recall – even though I was thinking more in line with his Seahawks career, and counting from ’09 to ’05. But since you want to get technical, he was just as much the playmaker even then as he is now.

And are you trying to tell me that Lofa wasn’t a standout in his rookie season? The year he was tapped as a pro bowl alternate? The year he probably should have been voted DRoY? That year he wasn’t a standout?

by Catoblepas on Aug 30, 2009 7:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It sounds to me like you are saying he has been the same player all along.

His rookie year he was a huge improvement to our defense over those he replaced, similar to how some would guess Babs would be over Russell. But despite being good in coverage and at positioning the defense, he himself struggled, especially with offensive linemen coming at him. By the 2nd year he was not as bad at that, and by the third year he was knocked OGs around, no small feat.

But more likely you are arguing about the word “standout” itself, which is not an absolute. Whatever your definition of it is, you are probably right, I don’t know what you are thinking when you say that. But to me, I felt he was a bit overrated his first year and second year, and by the third year his body had caught up(because the dude is a seriously motivated football player) and he was what people believed.

But his hands, football intelligence, and coverage(zone, not man) have always been good to freaking awesome.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 7:56 AM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Yeah They lose weight

As the guy below me stated, most players do.

You do an offseason work out to bulk up unless like Mebane your expected to lose weight. Then you lose some weight in training camp and then the regular season activity you lose even more weight. It’s hard to keep on tons of weight when you’re burning as many calories as these guys do playing football. But they’re not going to weigh everyone every week and update it. That’s why you see so many weight fluctuations like Kerney coming in at 254 at the combine and then dropping to 247 at training camp.

I guess I didn’t need to be told. I’ve lifted weights most of my life and extended time away from the weight room or a engaging in a serious aerobic activity always drops your weight.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 12:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

2nd String D?

John, how do you feel Reed and Bennett played during their time with the first string? Did they show enough to make the 53-man roster or was it just confirmation that they deserve to stick around on the practice squad?

by CortezKennedy4Prez! on Aug 29, 2009 9:22 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Free Agents

And what holes do you feel the ’Hawks will need to address starting next week when all other camps trim the roster? Do we go after an LT and move Locklear back to the right side, or is that just too much change this close to the start of the regular season (particularly since games 1 & 2 are against divisional foes)?

by CortezKennedy4Prez! on Aug 29, 2009 9:23 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I don't see any FA LTs being better than Lock

I think we’d grab an LT for depth, but not to start.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 29, 2009 9:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed

he rarely stood out as losing his man or being responsible for a breakdown of the play.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 30, 2009 2:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh and I must add....Housh is the real deal

And Carlson is going to the Pro Bowl this year. That dude was a second round steal.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 29, 2009 9:26 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

We're lucky that the Jets

were dumb enough to take Keller. He’s a good receiver, but Carlson is just all around awesome.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 29, 2009 9:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winner: Me attending the game at Arrowhead

Awesome place to watch a football game, except when they do their stupid racist tomahawk cheer. Awesome to see the entire team (just about) go up to say hi to Engram before the game.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture

by Eegah on Aug 29, 2009 10:12 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I probably shouldn't start this

But what is racist about the tomahawk cheer?

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 12:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its technically not racist

More like insensitive for Native Americans turning them (directly or in this case indirectly) into a mascot.

by kearly on Aug 30, 2009 1:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Everyone knows that the "Chiefs"

is referring to the Master variety anyway.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 30, 2009 2:42 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rofl

I see what you did there.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 30, 2009 8:29 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions   0 recs

Tyson Jackson

eats Covenant brutes for breakfast.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 30, 2009 11:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Isn't it more glorifying them?

I mean, no one picks a team name because they they it’s lame or stupid. The Raiders probably picked the name because it sounds cool and intense, not because they were trying to demean “raiders”, and the same goes for the Patriots, Cowboys, etc. I don’t see why the Chiefs would be any different.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 2:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It perpetuates a stereotype.

I’d imagine you’d feel differently if a team was named, like, the “Tribals” and featured a chant where the fans all jumped up and down while they all held spears.

by sammy on Aug 30, 2009 10:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

That would be funny, but yes, demeaning. I don’t see how that’s what Chiefs fans (or Braves fans) are doing though.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, what if there were a team called "The Ninjas"

and during chants, the fans struck kung-fu poses while chanting “ching ching chong chong”. How would that be any less ridiculous than fans making tomahawk motions while chanting fake native battle cries.

by sammy on Aug 30, 2009 11:29 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm

I guess I see your point. It just doesn’t seem as offensive to me, the tomahawk chant. Maybe that’s just because I’m used to it?

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's reenacting a caricature of a racial stereotype of native Americans as savages

Its not all that different from donning blackface.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 1:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The chant? The whole thing is Indian blackface

Fans dress up as caricatures of native Americans and pretend to be warlike.

I’m not going to walk you through the wholedecades-old controversy , but sufficed to say that many of the people belonging to the caricatured ethnic group find it offensive.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know they do

And i see their point to an extent, but I still don’t see it as incredibly offensive. If fans dressed up like cowboys with fake guns and lassos would their be controversy about that? What about VIkings fans wearing the horned hats, long blond hair, and blowing horns? Or say, Buccaneers fans dressing up like pirates with swords? I just don’t see what makes those instances so different.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 9:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Maybe you don't understand because you're part of the dominant ethnic group

“Cowboys” and Scandinavians aren’t usually discriminated against based on their ethnicity.

You’re probably a lot less likely to experience (or even witness) racism so you don’t think its a problem. That doesn’t make you a bad person, but it also doesn’t make you a great judge of what is or isn’t offensive people from other ethnic groups.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 9:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Perhaps

I haven’t witness a ton of racism in my life for sure. I still don’t see what’s so different about those instances though. Why is it so offensive in one case and not the other? Neither is intending to criticize or embarass the people they represent, quite the contrary.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Those are also caricatures and I'm sure there are some people that are offended

I think there is something about being part of a minority and having your ethnic group generalized and turned into a cartoon that might sting a bit.

And that’s where I stop. I don’t think this is the forum for explaining why racial stereotypes can be offense and I don’t think that I’m the one that needs to do it.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 9:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sorta like the Seahawks do.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 30, 2009 1:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 'Hawks have co-opted some native stuff into the "team image"

The logo (not as prevalent in the re-design, but very much in the original) Taima – the hawk that flies from the tunnel, etc.

I’ve had conversations with a few natives on the subject, and to some of them, there’s very little difference in how the ’Hawks “celebrate” their culture and a team like the Chiefs or Braves doing the tomahawk chop. They see both as equally exploitive.

I don’t want to get into the whole team name issue, because to me it’s a very gray area. Like Scolari, I think there is something positive behind team names – you naturally want to associate yourself with the good qualities of whatever you have branded yourself as. OTOH, I’m not going to pretend there’s nothing patently offensive having your team name a slur.

I just wanted to point out that when people call out the Chiefs, Braves or Indians, they need to remember that our team rubs some people the wrong way too.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Aug 30, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah. I don't think so.

There’s a whole world of difference between the Seahawks’ logo and the name, emblem, chants, etc, of the Chiefs, Seminoles, Braves, Indians, and REDSKINS.

That being said, people will complain about anything. I find it completely unsurprising that some “natives” would see it as exploitation.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 30, 2009 3:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If it were not for the Hawks, many average people would never see that symbol at all.

I have never met a native that had an issue with it, but the team’s logo and the fans are not involved in perpetuating a foolish stereotype. If someone wants to be possessive about it, ok, but I fail to see how that is anything like what we are discussing to be honest.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 5:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our name and image is well crafted

“Seahawk” is a name that celebrates the Osprey, a bird of prey not likely to be seen in any NFL city but Seattle. And our symbol incorporates the stylings of Northwest Indian ceremonial art. Its a perfect regional symbol: it celebrates the northwest while not mocking anyone or anything.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It doesn't mock, but it certainly rips off native American cultural symbolism

I think its a lot less offensive than the Chiefs/Redskins/Indians mascots, but you could certainly argue that the Seahawks organization stole a sacred symbol.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think our mascot is awesome.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Argh-yle.

Crap, yes it is. Thanks and sorry Mike, you’re sure to be cut, but I didn’t mean to mistake you’re name.

by John Morgan on Aug 29, 2009 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That play was beautiful.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 29, 2009 11:05 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I forgot who said it.

But someone said either last week or two weeks ago “Reed already is what LoJack hopes to be.” or maybe it was has already done what LoJack hopes to accomplish. Either way, it doesn’t look good for Jackson.

by LantermanC on Aug 29, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It'd be ironic if Reed becomes a more successful player than Jackson

It’s as if Ruskell can hit a bullseye in most of the later rounds but can never hit the first one.

by aerozeppelin on Aug 29, 2009 11:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Reed didn't look as good in the first half

playing against better competition. He did some nice things though. I think if he’s able to add just a bit more strength/speed, his skills and instinct will start to come through against the first teamers.

Bennett cooled off a bit too. I think with Courtney Taylor stepping it up a bit, and Hobbs continuing his fade, the last few DL spots might be the most intriguing competition left…

by PerryCollective on Aug 30, 2009 12:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I saw him do some good things for a change

at least he did in the few plays where I focused on him. I need the watch the tape. But really, LoJack isn’t trying or “hoping” to be Nick Reed as they are not competing for the same job. Nick Reed to playing the same role as Darryl Tapp, rush from RDE or drop into shallow coverage. LoJack is backup to Redding, where he has more to fear from Baraka Atkins or Michael Bennett taking his roster spot. In the KC game, I saw LoJack get pressure on the QB once or twice.

LoJack is obviously not as exciting a player as Reed, but he’s in a different role. Kerney, Tapp, and Reed have the RDE position covered but we still need to figure out who backs up Redding at LDE. Its not clear to me that anyone has out-competed LoJack for that backup LDE spot.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 12:17 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At this point,

I would say Walker has “out-competed” Jackson. But of course his time comes late in the game vs. what are sure to be regular season starters. Unfortunately, LDE appears to be perilously thin behind Redding.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 30, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes, I think you meant "vs. backups"

but yeah, I would agree Bennett has made more plays against the backup O linemen than Jackson has made against starting O linemen. Bennett seems, to me, like a smaller quicker Craig Terrill, and I think he may need to get bigger to play inside against starting O linemen. I hope Bennett sticks on the practice squad.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 8:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oops, my bad, you were talking about Walker not Bennett

I have to admit I hadn’t noticed Walker much before the Chiefs game, when he did some nice things inthe 4th quarter. I’d be interested the hear what else has he done?

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Regarding your title, I think he means Walker's situation vs Jackson's.

It’s a little awkward but I understand what he was trying to say, he accidentally said it the way you read it.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

That's correct.

I meant that Walker’s sucess has come late in games, against back ups vs. what Jackson goes against. Generally starters.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 30, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'd actually put Kelly Jennings as a winner as well.

Not that he was awesome, but after the first preseason game, I was wondering if he would be completely useless, and he actually knocked a few balls out of the WR hands and had that almost INT (sure it looked easy but it was a tough play to make). With Trufant’s injury not really being disclosed, I think we need Jennings more than ever to be at least adequate, and he’s doing his best to not beat BRuss in the competition for most frustrating player that makes fans throw stuff at their tv.

by LantermanC on Aug 29, 2009 11:30 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

Was his usual close coverage, but seemed to show a bit more awareness to actuallly make plays on the ball.

Of course, KC is not known for it’s passing game, but it was good to see.

by PerryCollective on Aug 30, 2009 12:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Play on Bowe in the endzone was really something.

I stood up and said “holy shit that’s Jennings!” Got up there with a big receiver. Hopefully he keeps it up.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 30, 2009 12:49 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

According to article on Seattle PI Carslon gave up the sack on Matt

On the other side, the Seattle offensive line played better with the only sack of Hasselbeck falling on Carlson when the tight end got blown up by K.C. first-round draft pick Tyson Jackson.

I was wondering who gave up that sack.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 3:16 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He got completely shoved to the ground on that play.

I rewatched it a couple of times and “blown up” is accurate. Jackson is man strong.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 30, 2009 8:36 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why is JC trying to block a 3-4 DE?

That’s a total mismatch. Wouldn’t a guard or tackle be responsible?

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 1:02 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

True

Not sure what happened there.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 9:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Interested to hear what everyone thought about the return game

Thought their punter had a good game, so it was hard for anyone to make a real impact, but who do you all think has the PR and KR jobs right now?

by JamesMurphy on Aug 30, 2009 6:39 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm hoping Wilson and Burleson take over return duties in regular season

because while Forsett does OK, he doesn’t have breakaway speed or great ability to make guys miss, and Butler is just bad. Fast, but bad in the return game.

by diehard82 on Aug 30, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I've never liked placing key players at the return positions.

It invariably goes bad at some point. Burleson blew his knee out last year because of being saddled with return duties. Is that what we want again? Do we want to risk losing Josh Wilson similarly?

by Catoblepas on Aug 30, 2009 9:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He blew he knee out "because" he was saddled with punt returns.

I thought he tore it running a route.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 30, 2009 9:27 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He came up hobbling after a return

Then his knee popped running a route on I think the 1st play of that drive.

I think I just pooped your pants...

by FizzleDrip on Aug 30, 2009 9:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes

The injury actually occurred when he was up ended during a punt return. He limped over to the bench in obvious pain after that play. At that point it was just a matter of that ACL needing just a little more prodding.

Regardless, the whole idea of putting a guy on return duty that’s recovering from a torn ACL is pretty dumb. I mean, unless that is exactly what he does by designation. Burleson is much more than a return man for us though. And I feel the same about Wilson. He is to be an integral part of our defense this year, and is currently the staring LCB until Trufant is ready (whenever that is).

Wilson is a better option than Burleson at least, but we’ve also got a bit of a depth issue at CB in case you haven’t already noticed. Ideally you want to cycle through return men every few years, IMO. At some point these return guys just outgrow the position and become more valuable to the team in other ways, and so you risk a lot by continually rolling them out there to return kicks and punts.

by Catoblepas on Aug 30, 2009 10:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do actually remember that, now.

but we’ve also got a bit of a depth issue at CB in case you haven’t already noticed.

Yes, I think we all have.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 30, 2009 11:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't want to see Burleson returning either

He is our best returner. But he is also our best YAC receiver. I’d rather see him focus on receiver.

by ASeahawkfan on Aug 30, 2009 9:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mora said pretty explicitly that Wilson wouldn't be returning kicks or punts

I think Forsett’s going to be the guy.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 1:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mora said Wilson will be the return man once the regular season begins

He wanted to hold out Wilson at KC and give Forsett the work, but when asked on KJR if Wilson would be returning kicks in the regular season, Mora said “Oh, absolutely. He’s a very good returner.”

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 6:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I must have missed that.

Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.

by ninjasocks on Aug 30, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

hopefully Wilson doens't get hurt doing it.

Considering that he’s our starting CB.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 31, 2009 3:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

in his interview, Burleson didn't sound like he would be returning punts much

He claimed the coaches might use him if they really needed a good punt return. But he may have just been talking. Off topic, but I get the impression that Nate is a little bent out of shape at Housh getting all the attention this year. Nate likes his spotlight.

Without Burleson returning punts, I am concerned. I agree that Butler does not look natural in that role. Wilson and Forsett should be fine in the KR role.

If Jordan Kent makes this team, I have a feeling it will only be because he gets downfield so doggone fast as the Gunner on punt and kick coverage.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 9:15 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Totally agree about Kent

The number 5 WR needs to contribute on Special Teams, and he does. Taylor does not, so while Taylor may be the more consistent receiver right now, barring injuries, Kent could help the team more now with special teams play. I’m betting Kent locks down the 5th WR spot.

I think Forsett gets the punt return duties, with Wilson and Forsett or Wilson and Burleson taking kicks. They may be shy about using Burleson in the return game because they want to keep him healthy as a major contributor at WR.

by diehard82 on Aug 30, 2009 9:21 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hope he does.

I have no idea why, but I’m always pulling for Kent to put it all together. And I’ve never liked Taylor, Payne, or Obamanu.

by Fear on Aug 30, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do.

College-level track athlete, 6’4", NFL elite speed and jumping, Randy Moss waiting to break out. At least physically, so it makes us hope he can put it together mentally.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 10:52 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

the difference is that Randy Moss is a great football player

and Jordan Kent is a great athlete who has never shown the ability to catch a football under pressure. Still, I think he makes the 53 as a special teamer.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

*Swallows sarcastic remark*

Of course that is the difference. I was putting into words the reason we still hope he makes the roster.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 11:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

apologies

If Jordan ever breaks out and plays like Moss, I owe you a beer.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 11:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not me.

I don’t think that will ever happen. If he ever does that, I take no credit.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 11:39 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually I had an irrational liking (not love) for Kent

before I even knew his measurables. Which is what I never understood. Maybe it’s the last name? Kent. So short and to the point, I love it! Hah. Anyways, I certainly love the potential in Kent. I guess I’d rather keep a player in at 5th WR who has tons of potential then a guy who’s never going to be more than a #3 WR.

by Fear on Aug 30, 2009 11:35 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

not me.

Give me Payne over Kent any day. Payne goes and gets the ball. And he doesn’t drop it. I’ll take that every day over a fast guy with questionable hands.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow, this many people don't think Kent is atrocious on ST?

He’s the worst gunner I’ve ever seen. He gets down there nearly as fast as he is blocked out of the play once he’s reached the vicinity.

by jacobstevens on Aug 31, 2009 1:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Completely agree.

He’s either blocked out, or simply runs past the returner. I think this is finally the year where he’s cut loose. Hopefully.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 31, 2009 3:58 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We shouldn't discount the possibility

of the team adding a strictly return/ST guy like they have in the past with Scobey and Willie Ponder.

Andrew Raycroft for backup? Does not compute.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Aug 30, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Touching on the commentators performance

I watched the game twice, first Channel 5 with Moone and Mennefee, then NFL network. The NFL network replay had much better commentators. Looked like they were actually watching the game and calling out credit and fault for the correct players. Moone and Mennefee kept blurting shit out that convinced me they weren’t watching the same game that I was.

by diehard82 on Aug 30, 2009 8:26 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Curt Menefee and Warren Moon are simply awful.

Menefee mispronounces names and calls out the wrong players regularly. Moon, on the other hand, just spits out sentences that have no relevance or otherwise make very little sense.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 30, 2009 8:33 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol

I had to laugh at Moon’s interviews with players, the ones where Moon rattles on for awhile telling his own opinions of preseason and training camp, and the player being interviewed has to stand there agreeing until they let him go.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 9:38 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If John's comments about Floyd and Hobbs prove accurate

Does that mean Fisher makes the team, or do we only carry 4 Corners?

by diehard82 on Aug 30, 2009 8:43 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did you see Babs playing as a 3rd safety/nickle against the Broncos?

Russell was deep, Deon Grant and Babineaux were on the left and right threatening blitz, and one of them went while the other dropped back into a middle zone. I know I saw it once, maybe twice.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 9:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I was thinking of Babs as a safety

and HOPING he starts ahead of Russell. Wishful thinking on my part I guess.

by diehard82 on Aug 30, 2009 9:24 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well even if he does start at safety

If someone goes down he would slide into a CB roll and Russell would come in.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 30, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here's a question for those in the know

What happens to injured players when the roster gets cut to 53? I’m thinking of Jones, Trufant and Spencer. Do they count toward the 53 man roster, or can we move them to IR and keep 3 others in their place?

by diehard82 on Aug 30, 2009 9:31 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Trufant is on the PUP list and does not count

Jones and Spencer do. Unless either is put on IR. If Seattle activates Trufant, and they will, he then counts against the 53.

by John Morgan on Aug 30, 2009 10:14 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If they don't put Jones on the PUP

I’m going to be pretty upset.

NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!

by Scruffy Lefty on Aug 30, 2009 11:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn

Beat me by 5 seconds.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I know there are reasons for making the PUP work this way

but I really wish players could be PUP’d up until the start of the regular season regardless of whether or not they were on the list before camp started.

by BrianL on Aug 30, 2009 11:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The point is to have a special list for those recovering from a serious injury I think.

So you can’t hide all of your camp casualties and preseason game injuries on the PUP, hoping one of them recovers.

I still don’t understand why we didn’t start him out on the PUP list…I really thought he would have been on it.

by cashless on Aug 30, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

They can't

You have to fail your physical before training camp and be put on the PUP then, or else you can’t be put on it at all.

by Brendan Scolari on Aug 30, 2009 11:02 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

they count toward 53 unless put on IR

and if they are put on IR, they cannot play this season, so that should not happen with those three.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 9:44 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Courtney Taylor?

He was out there for 1 snap in the first half, and maybe 2 with the first string offense in the 2nd half. He obstructed his man from the ball carrier on one play (not really a block since he didn’t touch the guy) and did nothing of consequence on the others. It would not be fair to say that he “contributed” with the first string offense. I don’t know that Obamanu got any snaps with the first team.

After that (with the 2nd string offense) Taylor had 2 passes thrown at him, one out of bounds, and the other he caught for 19 yards. Obamanu had 2 passes thrown at him, one over his head and the other he caught for a first down.

Obamanu had less snaps that Taylor, and made a nice catch for a first down when the ball was thrown near him. If Teel gets the ball down on the other play, Obamanu would have had more catches and more yards.

Taylor had more snaps, but other than that did nothing to distinguish himself over Obamanu.

To put him up there in the “winners” column with those other guys is silly. He caught the one pass that was thrown to him in bounds (by Wallace), and threw a block. That’s all.

by lordtd on Aug 30, 2009 1:24 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I'm not sure how the WR competition is actually panning out

but if it were my decision, my six WRs would be Housh, Burleson, Branch, Butler, Payne, and probably Obamanu since he looks like a PR in addition to WR. If not Obamanu, then give me Kent to play Special Teams defense. But I got tired of watching Taylor drop balls last year and I’ve never seen him do anything to help the ST.

by Stevo's on Aug 30, 2009 6:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't know either

But Taylor did nothing to distinguish himself yesterday that I saw. I went back and re-watched the game today, and still didn’t see anything. He was a non-factor. He had 2 balls thrown at him by Wallace, and he caught one in bounds for 19 yards.

He took the field with the first stringers three times that I saw, and was in position to throw a block that turned out not to be necessary as Branch would have gotten by that tackler anyway. He had one snap with the starters in the first half, and 2 with them in the 2nd. After the starters left, he was in most of the snaps with Wallace. Obamanu came in when Wallace did, and stayed when Teel came in.

Taylor couldn’t stay on the squad last year when everyone and their dog was hurt, while Obamanu would have been a starter if he hadn’t been hurt. If I had to guess, I’d say they are giving Taylor one last chance to prove he’s worth keeping, and I’ve seen nothing that makes me think he’ll be kept. Obamanu has actually performed in a real NFL game before and has performed in pre-season before.

I’d guess they already know what they have with Obamanu, and they are giving Taylor one last chance to redeem himself. Recall that Obamanu had made the team last year, and the only reason Taylor ever got a snap was the Obamanu and several others were hurt. All guesses, of course.

by lordtd on Aug 30, 2009 9:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Didn't he catch a pass for a first-down when Hass was QB?

He got lit up immediately after the catch.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 31, 2009 12:16 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm not a fan of any of them.

Personally, at this point, they’ve proven nothing to me. I would have a hard time choosing either Taylor or Obo. I think they’re about equal talent-wise.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 31, 2009 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

o-line idea

has anyone posed the idea of trying Spencer out at G and moving Unger in at C?

centers need to be cerebral and savy in their technique – so i think Unger will be the better center for us long term.

but spencer is a phsyical beast who should be able to hold is own and then some at the G position. he wouldnt need to be responsible for leading the team in defensive line reads, and could rely more on his size/athletcism to succeed.

plus, with his injury history, we probably have more depth at g then at c anyway.

assuming jones cannot come back (big assumption), we would have:

LT: Locklear
LG: Sims, Wrotto
C: Unger, Vallos
RG: Spencer, Wrotto
RT: Willis

thoughts?

by dmrudy42 on Aug 31, 2009 7:55 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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My problem with the Colts winning-- the absence of immortality.
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Random Super Bowl Thoughts
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Diamonds in the Rough
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"Pro Bowl" "Open Thread"
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Pro Bowl Folly
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Kerney Retires?
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Replacing Matt Hasselbeck
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USC Recruiting 2002-2009 Offensive Line
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Nicknames for the 'Hawks

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