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Understanding Rob Sims Starting at Left Guard for the Seattle Seahawks

Seattle's offensive line is volatile, but one position that seems close to decided is left guard. Rob Sims is Seattle's starting left guard. That's a reversal. The team moved him to right guard to accommodate Mike Wahle in 2008. Sims played right guard at Seattle's 2009 mini camps, too. So why has the team shifted him back?

Mike Wahle was forced to retire by shoulder injuries. That's the company line. Sims, among Seattle's remaining personnel, has the most experience at left guard. Sims played his senior season at Ohio State at left guard, started five games including two playoff games for Seattle at left guard in his rookie season, and played 18 games including two playoff games the following season, 2007. So it's not unprecedented for Sims to play left guard nor is he inexperienced. It's just that he wasn't well suited for Mike Holmgren's system.

Holmgren wanted a guard that could pull, trap and cross block. He wanted a drive blocker at left guard with good feet and exacting timing. He wanted Steve Hutchinson. Hutchinson Sims wasn't. In Holmgren's system, Sims was better fit at right guard. He didn't need to be Hutch or carry the rushing offense. Sims could do what he does well: pass block and be dominant within his space. Not that Holmgren didn't want more from his right guard, but he could better suffer Sims inadequacies there. The Seahawks didn't need a great right guard. The Greatest Seahawks of all time, Walter Junior Jones, would not be wasted by a limited right guard.

Holmgren is gone and Seattle no longer needs a left guard that can execute Holmgren's refined style of drive blocking. Greg Knapp's zone blocking system has different standards. It needs a guard with the power to double-team and dominate a nose tackle. It needs a guard that can make quick reads. It needs a guard that can run quickly in a straight line. And a bendy line. But not a retreating semi-circular line. Potentially it needs a guard that can pull across the line and cut block. But if Sims can't do that (he can't) Seattle can assign other, more capable personnel (like Sean Locklear, Max Unger, John Carlson and John Owens) to pull and cut and execute the more technical assignments of a zone blocking system.

Now I'm not so sure about Sims and the bendy lines thing. He can run in a straight line surprisingly well. He was quoted at his pro day saying "...these are the things that I'm good at. Running and jumping," and he backed that statement with a 5.25 forty and 30" vert on a bad hamstring. The bendy line thing will reveal itself quick enough during the preseason. But if Seattle is committed to starting Sims, and given its talent pool it should be, it has a very good reason to keep him at left guard: For all his pass blocking technique and in-the-box power, Sims struggles against better three-tech defensive tackles. His most embarrassing series in 2007 came against Darnell Dockett. The Cardinals shifted Dockett to the defensive right and Dockett blew through Sims on three consecutive plays. Seattle went three and out. Sims struggled against Dockett's speed off the line. Sims is a good pass blocker, but his specific strength is holding ground against powerful nose-tackle types. He holds the integrity of the line and so doing protects against pass rush lanes, or inside rush lanes for the defensive end or a stunting left defensive tackle.

Keeping him on the left keeps him where his best skills are best used. The skills he lacked to be great in Holmgren's offense are deemphasized or deprecated. So it took me three nights of thinking about it to decide, but Sims should work at left guard. He should do there what he could do in 2007, and not be asked to do what he couldn't do in 2007.

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Good stuff.

This is definitely a position we all are watching. Thanks for the analysis.

Right now we hear that Sims is working every day in practice against Brandon Mebane as Brandon hones his skills at 3-tech DT. That ought to be about as good a workout as Sims could have to get ready for the season.

I will so love it if Sims and Spencer step up and play to their potential this year. It will help everything.

by Stevo's on Aug 3, 2009 4:48 PM PDT reply actions  

The question I have is, what does this do to Max Unger this season?

I assume this decision equals a Locklear-Willis-Spencer-Sims-Jones starting o-ling, with Unger slotted as the backup to Sims (and also Spencer, I would imagine). I wonder if Unger would be strictly the backup in this scenario, or would he be frequently platooned with the rest of the starters. I like to think Unger would be used frequently, to give the opposing defense multiple looks, as well as being able to effectively give any other lineman a break during the game.

by J.L. White on Aug 3, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions  

could be RG or C

I think there is every possibliity that Unger wins the RG job. Even if Willis practices some at RG, he is truly needed to be ready at RT in case Walt can’t go. So Unger could beat out Wrotto at RG, or he could becomes needed at C if Spencer’s back acts up, but there are definitely scenarios where Unger might start.

by Stevo's on Aug 3, 2009 5:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

it's just weird that they had Unger learning the LG position.

Maybe they really thought Wahle would make it back? I think maybe they just want Rob there now simply because he’s the most experienced guard.

by B.B.Finnegan on Aug 3, 2009 5:18 PM PDT up reply actions  

Unless Knapps blocking system is more different than I thought

I just cannot see someone with Unger’s skillset starting at RG. Maybe it’s just a generalization on my part, but RGs always seem to be the large body-mover types, and Unger seems to be more brains (by which I mean technique) over brawn.

Also, I loathe the idea of benching Willis — one of our best linemen — just to save him for tackle. Not only is that a waste of resources, I would hope that Ray could move over from guard to tackle if needed.

by J.L. White on Aug 3, 2009 5:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sims and Spencer are both FAs after this year.

Unger is practicing at LG and C because after this year we’ll only keep one of these two. He’s also ready to go if there are injuries this year which would decide for us which one we keep.

Next year we’ll probably draft a RT or RG depending on where we want Willis. This guy will get his shot whenever Walt is done and Lock moves to LT.

by Hawkhammer19 on Aug 3, 2009 6:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Willis is one of our better lineman

but not one of our best guards. He’s a tackle. Our 3rd best. His weakness had been pass pro, and I think he’ll be fine there at RT but not at RG. He uses a lot of space to contain his man.

Unger is not going to be more ready than Rob Sims come the end of training camp, or provide more, to make the call to give him time there and Sims at RG now, which is what you’d have to do, make that call now. If he does become our starting RG, I would call that a fantastic development.

by jacobstevens on Aug 3, 2009 10:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

In the Holmgren era that was not the case.

Chris Gray was our RG almost exclusively, with Hutch, Rob Sims, Chris Spencer, and Mike Wahle at LG. Seemed our bigger guards were always at LG, until last year when Willis, Wrotto, and Sims were there.

by cashless on Aug 4, 2009 10:48 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah.

In the NFL, the only RGs that come to mind that fit that description are Leonard Davis, Chris Snee, and Shawn Andrews.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 4, 2009 11:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

So Unger will play LG behind Sims then.

Bummer. I was actually kinda hoping he’d start at LG, hehe.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 3, 2009 4:58 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

I twittered just a few hours ago

that Sims’ spot on the line is more solidified than anyone else’s at this point. Both tackle positions hinge on Walt’s readiness. Spencer’s back holding up hasn’t been confirmed, and RG is an open competition with Sims moving over.

It’s a rare combination: the bigger thing here I think is that Seattle doesn’t have anyone better for LG. But while that’s driving it, for the ZBS I also think Sims himself is better suited to LG than RG.

It’s still odd to think that drive blocking won’t be an integral part of the LG position, even understanding ZBS, but I learned about football the way I know it now, these past 10 years while Holmgren coached the Hawks. And Sims may continue to not excel, there.

by jacobstevens on Aug 3, 2009 4:59 PM PDT reply actions  

No issue.

I would have liked for Wahle to have been on the team this year (as a starter or backup), but that dream is over. Losing Wahle means they lose some great depth and a strong team guy. Now onto the guy taking his spot, Rob Sims. I like Rob, he has a nice upside, and going into his fourth year he should be at the point of sinking or swimming. He can play both RG and LG, so if the team sees him as a LG with Wahle gone, then fine, I think Sims will be much better this year with some years under his belt.

My new issue is RG and DEPTH. Losing Wahle kills some of the Hawks depth, then you lose a good RG in Sims and move in a question mark in either Unger or Wrotto (Willis is staying at RT in my book, the team needs him if Walt is not 100%), this is not good. I like Wrotto better at this time over Unger, but I could see Unger winning just because he has more upside right now. All I know is an O-line of Walt, Sims, Spencer, Unger, Lock sounds good, but Unger is young, and Sims, Walt, and Spencer are all coming off major injuries. To me it looks like an O-line that could be good (maybe even top 12), but until we see the O-line in some games, no one really knows.

by JustinWF on Aug 3, 2009 7:41 PM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic article

I do now understand Rob Sims at LG and am excited to watch him during the pre-season. It’s fascinating to see how different the guard position is going to be used versus Holmgren’s old system. Again, great stuff here, thanks.

by AtomicGarden on Aug 3, 2009 8:53 PM PDT reply actions  

Perhaps

we may see some better development in O-lineman this off/pre-season since the D-line that they practice against is now bigger than usual? That won’t add up to much if Jones/Spencer/Sims can’t be 100% healthy though I suppose.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 4, 2009 1:01 AM PDT reply actions  

I know Sims has had some injuries in the past.

Does anyone know if they are chronic injuries or just random ones (in other words likely to repeat)?

by LantermanC on Aug 4, 2009 9:52 AM PDT reply actions  

All I remember was the torn pectoral muscle

which isn’t chronic, and John said something to the effect of it being actually unable to repeat, at least in the same spot. Scar tissue or something, I dunno.

by jacobstevens on Aug 4, 2009 10:25 AM PDT up reply actions  

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