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Community Scout: Aug 3rd, 2009

I joined the Air Force a couple years ago, and have been living near the Bay Area for over a year now. So when I realized that my brother's wedding coincided perfectly with the week training camp started being open to the public, I purchased a ticket with the idea I would discuss the other days with my wife and go to a few more. That never happened, but I did have Monday morning, the 3rd of August, to see the Seahawks up close.

 

Star-divide

I arrived 10 minutes before they were to begin taking registration (although they had intelligently already begun.) The Landing is something I had not seen before, and it really is cool for a shopping center. The Blue Thunder drum "line," a snare, bass drum, and two cymbal players were there trying to pep up everyone at 8 in the morning on Monday. Most fans had a Seahawks jersey or shirt, and maybe 80 % of the jerseys were Tatupu's.

Getting there so early still left me in a line, but I only waited 5 minutes to register and 5 minutes to get on a bus, the majority waited longer behind me. I would recommend being early.

1500 fans was the supposed number. It probably was correct, but it was never crowded as I expected. I had no problem getting to the fence to stand up close and watch any drill. The more I watched, the more I realized how little one practice can tell a fan about what the team will do. It is just not structured for that, rather the players are working on multiple skills that their position may need. Perhaps Babineaux and Russell are not the best man defenders on the team, but every defensive back is given the opportunity to man defend against each other. In other drills the secondary worked on zone against two WRs (Other DBs) and a HB, two men defending against three potential targets. The defensive line worked on their push together, and pass rushing drills together. Everywhere on the team, skills are being worked on, and on a team with 97% off-season workout attendance we will hopefully see some players fill out other dimensions of their game.

Lucas vs Wilson

I really loved watching the WR vs CB competition. Ken Lucas seemed to be very serious. I did see him get beat on a long post by Butler who broke away right at the last second, but Lucas was arguing that Butler was already out of the back of the end zone. Lucas was not made to look slow by anyone in these drills or in the 11 on 11, where I saw him smothering Butler on a 3 step drop by Matt, where he threw it up on a fade route.

Josh Wilson in the WR vs CB competition really showed off his speed. No taller WR caught one over him deep because he was accelerating and jumping to the ball. Also, when WRs came back to the ball Wilson looked incredible, getting his arm around and knocking it out. However, when Logan Payne came back to the ball, it was thrown high and Wilson could not come back and get up high because Payne's body had the right position, so he allowed that catch. He was visibly upset that he allowed that catch, and it is clear that he and Lucas both are taking the idea of competition very seriously.

WR play

Slim looked pretty good, but was beat to the sideline by Branch, who looks like he floats when he is actually cutting. Burleson looked great running, jumping, cutting. In 11 on 11, he caught pass after pass, and ran through defender after defender. By the way they were in shells and shorts so there was no taking players down. Coaches would blow the whistle when they wanted the play to end, and until then offensive players would keep running through arm tackles and defenders would keep rallying to the ball to put their hands on the ball carrier.

In 11 on 11, Jordan Kent was both fast enough and jumping high enough to beat his man repeatedly, only his man was Marquis Floyd. It was similar to preseason where he was catching the ball on many routes. I never saw him drop a pass, and he caught the ball cleanly, however considering his competition I am sure his confidence was high. Similar to preseason, players are facing different levels of competition, and can shine at some point in every practice if they have NFL talent, which pretty much all of them do.

T.J. Houshmandzadeh is better than Bobby Engram, and Hasselbeck had no issues figuring out where he was going to be. In the end zone on a corner route he was deadly, on more than one occasion. He is fast enough to keep whatever separation he's gained, and enough of a leaper to go up for the ball, making sure no one can get to it. The crowd broke out with a cheer when Hasselbeck looked like he was in trouble, threw the ball into a group of defenders and Housh broke in front of them to catch it. They looked great together.

Besides them, I did not see Branch featured much. Obomanu went to the turf to get to a ball, Mike Hass broke out of some zones to catch a pass, Courtney Taylor showed up a few times. I did not see Carlson get many passes in 11 on 11 either. Ultimately the battle for the 4th and 5th WR looked wide open, and very similar to our battle for #1 and #2 WR for some of last season.

Other Notes

I really liked how Teel looked. He was blitzed a lot, I saw him "sacked" once, but mostly he looked downfield and found a man, putting good touch on passes to men who had broken free. I did not see him forcing the ball into a double-team or taking risky passes anywhere. He did struggle some, it would take him some time to find the right guy, but he was not trying to run with the ball, or leaving the pocket.

I could not tell you much about the run game, the backs would run with the ball, but in a practice like that no one knew if he should have been tackled after one yard, or whether he would have broken it. Each back would carry the ball at least 5 yards, and often 7 or 8, but with defenders slapping hands on them and letting them pass. The same goes for the offensive line, defensive line, and linebackers. However, I will say that I was surprised to notice that Patrick Kerney was not limited in anything. He was hitting, getting a push, playing in every drill. The shoulder may give out at some point during the season, but right now he looks like he is having no issues with it.

Courtney Green looked big. He was standing next to DD Lewis, and besides his much skinnier legs, his upper body seemed almost as thick as Lewis' upper body. I did not get to see him do much other than coming up and pretend to tackle. I did not get to see him tested in the passing game to the sideline or deep. However Jamar Adams was tested deep and looked slow. Slow to react or slow to run, I could not tell. However, he did not look like he was going to be an NFL starter this season.

I regret to say I saw little of Jordan Babineaux. Not for lack of trying, but when a guy is on the field, there is no guarantee that a long pass is coming his way, or even a deep route. I did try to see him challenged, but I never caught anything like that.

I did see Russell in action, and he did react quickly and get to the right spots, and he did have the easy INT. His hands looked good on that, he reached out away from his body like a WR and caught it cleanly. He certainly did look like he knew what he was doing and that he was a good player.

One last player I noticed, Cory Redding. First off, he doesn't look like he has any fat on him. He also looks longer than I expected, not like a basketball player, but he seems like he is tall and strong. I did not realize he is 6'4". And he seemed to be in the middle of discussions on the sidelines after plays too. I even caught a picture of him with his arm on Gus Bradley's shoulder, as he waited his turn to get back in.

On the advice side, one last bit. Do not get caught without a sharpie, the players do come to the fence after the practice is over to sign autographs.

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Yes, good job!

This is all great stuff.

by djafrot on Aug 4, 2009 1:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Great job

This sort of stuff is fantastic food for the football brain!

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 4, 2009 2:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice writeup!

Sounds like camp is really competitive, which can only be a good thing. I wish I didnt live on the east coast or I’d definitely try to see this.

by Steeeve on Aug 4, 2009 1:14 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh, by the way.

If you ask me about specific players I may remember more. I left out the kicking competition, didn’t get into Seneca too much, and plenty of other things. Of course I didn’t soak in everything, I had no gameplan when I got there and was a little overwhelmed choosing between all the different positional drills. Like a kid in a candy store, I was lost looking at everything and not focusing on one early on. Most of that was from the second hour.

by cashless on Aug 4, 2009 1:16 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great writeup.

Man, it sure sounds like Mr. Wilson is busting his butt out there.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 4, 2009 1:29 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome.

I’m really excited to go.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 4, 2009 1:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great writeup.

One question.

I even caught a picture of him with his arm on Gus Bradley’s shoulder, as he waited his turn to get back in.

I thought there were no cameras allowed?

by LantermanC on Aug 4, 2009 1:57 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Maybe

Bill Belichick lent him his high-tech spy camera.

</old news>

by Steeeve on Aug 4, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Here is the policy
Still cameras with lenses under 12" and without flash attachments are permitted for use during all Training Camp practices at VMAC. No flash photography of any type will be permitted at any time. No audio or video recording devices are allowed, including camcorders or cellular phones with video capabilities. Video taping, live streaming and blogging during practice is strictly prohibited.

Seahawks.com

by cashless on Aug 4, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not only do I not have a camera that doesn't have flash,

I don’t have one that doesn’t have video recording. So basically, old ones, or disposables only?

by LantermanC on Aug 5, 2009 12:31 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mine had video recording ability, and flash ability.

No one was keeping digital cameras out, if you read into the policy they are trying to keep professional equipment out, and not have video recording. I did not record any video of it, I am guessing some could have. I would not worry about it, bring a digital camera and don’t bring huge lenses(or any) with you and you should be legit.

by cashless on Aug 5, 2009 1:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ah, I should read closer.

I was wondering what the heck lenses under 12" meant. I was thinking, who the hell is going to have a lense that big?

by LantermanC on Aug 5, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Also, in the video section.

They specifically mention camera phones and camcorders, with no mention of digital cameras. Unless they had a list of every digital camera made and their capabilities, that would be difficult to police. They did not attempt to police it at any time that I saw.

by cashless on Aug 5, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fantastic writeup

and nice, useful observations.

by jacobstevens on Aug 4, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great writeup

I’m taking the kids on Thursday, and looking forward to it.

by PerryCollective on Aug 4, 2009 2:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions   0 recs

Much appreciated!

Did you get to see much of Max Unger?

by Hancock.Brett on Aug 4, 2009 2:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Not up close.

The 11 on 11 it was tough to see everyone, and that is the only place where watching him would be worth it. Considering how little they were hitting I focused on coverage mostly during this portion. The OL held up reasonably well at times, and other time the DL got in, but I was not sure what kind of blocking was happening in shorts.

by cashless on Aug 4, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damn you Mrs. St. Marie

We could have had four or five installments of this. This being football, blaming the wives seems appropriate.

Nice work Nic; you’ve set the bar high.

by shams on Aug 4, 2009 3:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Well done

Camp looks pretty cool this year from a fan standpoint, sitting up on the berm watching practice with the lake in the background.

One clarification on this note: Ultimately the battle for the 4th and 5th WR looked wide open: everything I’ve read gives Butler a roster spot by default, which makes sense considering they traded up to get him. So it’s Housh, Burleson, Branch and Butler, and the rest angling for the 5th and possibly 6th WR spot if they keep that many.

by lemonverbena on Aug 4, 2009 4:44 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Butler could be the unquestioned 5th

if Obomanu looks more ready than Butler. Butler can learn for the first year and play special teams or something.

by LantermanC on Aug 5, 2009 9:05 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Very true

I was also thinking Butler would assume 4th, but Obomanu, if ready, if worth the roster spot, would more than likely contribute more.

by jacobstevens on Aug 5, 2009 10:07 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Man, that was a great write up.

Way to set the tone for the Community Scout pieces to come.

Did L. Jackson appear to get as used by what you saw as is reported seemingly somewhere on a daily basis?

Forsett v Moore?

Thanks again.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Aug 4, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Moore looked fast, Forsett looked good.

I do not have anything to contribute to the two. I was hoping they would do KR/PR and they did not without pads, and that is the same reason I do not have anything legitimate to add to “Forsett v Moore,” and “L. Jackson.”

With a lack of pads, I felt uncomfortable with judging the front 7 of the defense and the OL/run game.

by cashless on Aug 4, 2009 8:14 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Tremendous write up

Love the fan experience aspect, and of course can’t get enough anecdotes as to who’s on a mission and who’s rising to the occasion. Very well done!

by swamp_fox on Aug 4, 2009 7:27 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Great writeup

I was there too, but wasn’t nearly as observant. I did think that Butler was out of the back of the end zone on the play Lucas was arguing it tho….

by thebyron on Aug 5, 2009 3:53 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I could not tell.

I was near where they started the play, about 30 yards away from the end zone, so 40 yards away from the back of it. It did seem like he was probably out.

by cashless on Aug 5, 2009 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Extremely nice work. Well done.

Can’t wait to try and make it to one of those practices myself.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Aug 5, 2009 7:52 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are the players allowed to sign jerseys/footballs?

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 5, 2009 9:22 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 5, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

oh hell yes.

I need my Carlson jersey signed like whoa.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 5, 2009 1:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thank you.

I enjoyed reading about your experience. Great detail, and you saw some things that I didn’t. It’s obviously tough to track everything, and I’m glad you got some notes on the cornerback play, as that is something that I often missed because of how fast it happened, the subs, or just plain habitual following of the ball. Nice job.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 7, 2009 11:56 AM PDT reply actions   0 recs

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