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Misfit's Training Camp Report - 8/4/09

There are several areas of the team and many players that I had the opportunity to observe during the two and a half hour practice session on Aug. 4th. I'll provide as much detail about what I witnessed as I can, and hopefully keep my personal excitement and player-worship to a minimum.

Update: The link below is to a collection of about 300 or so photos I took during the event.

http://photobucket.com/trainingcamp080409

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Offensive Line, Offensive Linemen

 It was great to see Walter Jones just a few feet from my vantage point, and though he was without pads, he wasn't without his #71 jersey and a big smile.

On display first were a few of the linemen. Ray Willis working closely with who I believed (and later confirmed) was Mike Solari in individual drills; one-on-ones; and then full line practices. Willis went up against OL Ramsey for much of the one-on-one drills, with players reversing positions after a few reps on each side. Willis looked every bit the part of a starting RT: powerful, huge, and muscular.  He displayed compact bursts of power - not out of control, with good hand-fighting and riding the 'defender' (Ramsey) as much as needed. Though Ramsey is taller and more gangly, Willis is cut and mean. He handled Ramsey with ease. He showed power and technique, with good hand-fighting. Most impressive was his initial burst and ability to just manhandle the larger man.  

With all the linemen hanging around, Locklear, Willis, and Big Walt conferred on several occasions. Solari worked off of a sheet to run the practice sessions, always getting in the ear of a player who attacked the wrong shoulder with their hand-punch, and tapping another on the shoulder lightly and talking only to them in their ear-hole quietly. Solari was in command of everything, but the players didn't need much direction about what they were set up to do, that was either already understood or handled by the other staff members. Solari was about details and instruction, which was just how I pictured he'd be.

Unger was of course a player I targeted seeing, and had no problem doing that, as the OL practice was the closest portion of any of the fields we could get to. Players did drills of backpedaling in their stances one at a time which was interesting. Unger stood out in these drills. His stance was unwavering while he backpedaled with precision. Only the legs and feet seemed to move as he went backward, displaying the fluid footwork that gives him the 'technician' label. After seeing many of the linemen go through this drill, Unger looked different - better - than most of the others in this particular drill. But alas, he did have to face some humans, too. 

Unger then worked mostly vs. Wrotto, who I'll include in this section. Wrotto has a very low base while in his stance. He has a big, thick waist and rear that sits not far off the grass when he set up to face off 1v1 with Unger. Both players engaged each other many times in these drills, switching positions after 6 or so reps so that each would simulate pass-pro while the other pressured. What stood out were both Wrotto's size and his ability to contain Unger easily with his power. Unger was clearly not as strong as Wrotto, but looked sound against him nonetheless.  Unger had a higher base in his stance while simulating pass-pro vs. Wrotto. His technique was solid, clean backpedal, good hand-punch to Wrotto's chest. He managed correct shoulder (from what I could tell) and didn't lose contact or let his man by. 

Something interesting I noted throughout the practices aside from full line vs. line scrimmaging was that the starting unit was: Locklear, Sims, Spencer, Nobody, Willis. The RG spot was vacant while the rest of those players lined up and did drills together side by side as they would be lined up in a game - minus the RG. It was as if a message was out for everyone to see (players mainly) that that job was open/up for grabs. This was while Unger and Wrotto faced off in other sections of practice.

Locklear looked really good in all the drills. His lanky arms and big frame really looked the part. He appears similar to Willis but with longer arms. He worked mostly at LT, though took some reps at RT, too. 

During line drills the starting unit w/out Jones (listed above) interchanged parts at RG and RT, and most of the other spots, as well. This included Goddard, Ramsey, Vallos, Wrotto, Unger and others. Ramsey is huge, but looked raw in everything he did. Willis pounded on him, showing his forceful and explosive power, which delighted onlookers, myself included. He's primed for a job and blocked well during offensive series.

Offense, Partial Scrimmages

When the lines faced defenders in goal-line packages and what looked to be red-zone type offensive sets, I often witnessed Sims pulling and running into the space vacated by the RG (usually Wrotto with the first team). Sims was quick to pull and block and the team had success running behind him with Duckett during many plays. These sessions had full offensive and defensive lines, but no secondary.

Duckett ran and caught as much as anyone, if not more. Plays featured him many different ways. Offensive formations would shift and motion often. They ran Duckett every which way, and somewhat surprisingly, threw to him frequently, too. Duckett caught everything thrown his way, receiving and turning upfield with ease. He quickly caught and tucked the ball away and powered ahead with speed that belies his size and stature. Standing next to FB Justin Griffith, it's hard to tell the two apart, but the cut, muscle-laden Duckett still manages to stand out. His gut is not a six-pack. More like a keg or a 24-pack. Plays to him included play-action passes, run-fakes, and direct handoffs all of which went off without a hitch. Spencer cleared holes along with the guards on runs up the middle. Spencer was the spearhead on several handoffs, displaying his strength and power.

They ran some sets that featured two TEs and a single back (Duckett again). Again they ran misdirection, run fakes, and formation shifts to throw passes and run out of, but the highlights were from the TEs this time. Carlson ran after a fade from Hasselbeck headed towards us watching nearby and though he caught the ball nicely, a couple feet further and I'd have caught it instead. More plays from these same sets went in the direction of TE John Owens. He caught the ball every time, showing good hands catches and the ability to turn upfield for YAC. Owens catching the ball? How can this be? I mean, he's the blocking TE, right? Like everyone else, he did catch it and caught it well on both sides of the end-zone for would-be touchdowns.  

Jones, Forsett, and Moore took some handoffs and caught passes. Griffith caught a short pass or two but was not handed the ball. Schmitt didn't touch the ball.

Wide receivers caught balls in drills. Burleson was the only one interactive for moments with the crowd, obviously enjoying attention from fans. What I noticed was that unless a pass hit the dirt in drills, the ball was caught. Everything was caught by everyone. Courtney Taylor looked okay catching the ball, as did most everyone included in the drill. Bumpus, Hass, Payne, lots of guys ran through them. Most noticeable were the hands of Deion Branch. He featured smooth, sticky paws that sucked up everything with ease.

There were drills that featured LBs covering TEs and RBs, which were a blast to see. The routes were mostly about 5-10yds deep. Tatupu vs. Carlson: Carlson catch and run. Hill vs. Carlson: Carlson catch and run. Neither could cover Carlson, though they were fairly tight in coverage - Hill more than Tatupu, the catches were still made with accurate throws from the QBs. Herring did the best job shadowing Carlson. Owen Schmitt dove for a pass his way that was incomplete. Moore and Forsett made plays. A couple passes were incomplete, just out of reach. Still, not a single drop to this point the whole day that I saw. Guys were catching everything. You would think a high-stakes bounty was implemented in the team's kangaroo court on dropped passes. Seriously.

Scrimmages (Offense vs. Defense)

Defensive Highlights and Observations:

When the defensive players faced off vs. the offense there were many situations to observe. Firstly, Brian Russell looks like a high school senior in a Seahawk practice uniform. There is no missing Colin Cole on the field. There is also no missing Red Bryant. Both men are absolutely HUGE. Though, to be fair, Bryant is just as big and less fat. In a Gilbert Brown-Warren Sapp kind of way, I guess. Bryant held up his end of the deal and disrupted several plays, though usually playing with the 2nd team. Cole once chased Hasselbeck out of the pocket and back about 10 or more yards until Hass realized he wouldn't be eluding the swift big-man and went out of bounds. It looked like a Benny Hill show. Redding once absolutely blew up Julius Jones right at the line. Kerney worked some plays, after earlier participating in all the blocking-sled drills. Tapp recorded a sure sack and FF on Hasselbeck after toasting his blocker in a flash (Locklear, I believe). A Wallace pass was tipped and intercepted by Babineaux then returned a long way. Like Ed Reed return-style with eluding and picking up blockers (okay, Reed may be a stretch, but it was nice). Hobbs intercepted a pass intended for Butler down the left sideline. Butler was doubled on the play and the Wallace pass was slightly underthrown. All three players had to slow to find the ball. Adams had a bone-jarring hit on one of the RBs. It was so loud you could hear the 'crack' of the pads. It brought loud cheers from the crowd (est. 1,500 people). Greene made a leaping interception which he promptly returned for a TD of a Mike Teel pass. Grant and Lucas covered Burleson deep left sideline forcing and incomplete pass. The LBs sniffed out running plays and clogged inside runs regularly at the line. The interior starting line did a nice job of keeping Cole and Mebane clogged up without giving ground, but also didn't get much push on them. Early in practice, Leroy Hill worked on pass-rushing moves individually with a coach.

Offensive Highlights and Observations:

Housh catching the ball high in traffic for a first down. Devin Moore making a midrange to deep fingertip catch. Burleson catching everything and getting good YAC. Obomanu made several catches (4 or 5). Usually, he caught short-midrange passes in tight passing-lanes. Butler often being covered by Hobbs, caught a short pass and gained good YAC while following his blockers patiently for a fairly long gain. Moore bent a long run after a series of cuts to the right side of the line along his blockers. His small, subtle cuts all went right, allowing him to follow the flow of blocking ahead of him. Forsett made similar cuts himself on some decent runs. Both caught the ball well and ran better outside than inside. There were no jump-cuts, shake-and-bakes, and not much change of direction after receptions or during runs from anyone. Jordan Kent made a leaping grab high above the defenders and also caught a bomb after burning by the corner. Kent caught everything thrown to him. Butler set a pick for a pass to Obomanu that was completed. Courtney Taylor made a couple of catches. Hasselbeck threw the ball very well, with excellent zip on shorter throws and even lofted a couple nice deep balls. Wallace threw the most and there was both good and bad. Teel showed a stronger arm than I would have thought. Rowe got some snaps.

Finally, there were a few return drills which included Wilson, Taylor, Forsett, Moore, Kent and maybe few others. Special Teams players practiced blocking groups ahead of the returners and some return setups for a number of returns one after another.

More Offensive Skill Players:

I may rehash some info here, but wanted to get the details out there.

Deion Branch: Lime green gloves and all were on full display. He has the smoothest, stickiest hands of all the Hawks players. In catching drills he snagged everything even remotely catchable: high, low, right side, left side all with ease unless a pass was in the dirt. No doubt his hands are the class of the team. In team drills he split double coverage down the deep middle, tracked the ball over his shoulder about 30 yards deep, plucked it quickly out of the air and ran into the endzone untouched. There were many loud cheers and it was one of the top-3 highlights of the day's practice. I saw no restrictions for him, though both he and Housh were not as frequently played as the younger receivers were.

Jordan Kent: It was a nice day for Kent and he got a lot of run. He hands-caught everything. He leaped up for the high passes catching and bringing down nicely. If he was supposed to catch it he did. He was targeted on several plays and made all the catches, including a deep ball he glided under and caught with ease highlighting good speed and tracking skills. Also, he leaped up and caught a pass over double-coverage high in the air.

Justin Forsett: This guy also caught it all: short passes, screens; everything. He once ducked behind his linemen on a run, virtually disappearing then suddenly emerged after the defense lost him and produced a nice long run to the left side. His catches were all about head level or chin level with his hands. Nary a body-catch even on short, quick passes. He probably carried the ball as much as anyone and certainly more than Julius Jones. He made subtle cuts and followed blockers patiently, but was stuffed on inside runs a few times - similar plays that Duckett ran through successfully. The bread and butter plays for him often included misdirection or fake handoffs into a short, quick pass. Often they were out of single-back sets. He did not pass-block that I saw. He fielded cleanly a couple of returns.  

Devin Moore: I would hardly be able to tell Devin Moore from Justin Forsett without seeing their jersey numbers (30 and 20). In stature and build; thickness of upper-body and muscle tone of arms and lower legs these guys look just alike. Almost clones. But, a close look showed me that Moore appears slightly taller, while Forsett's upper thigh area is a bit thicker. Moore did everything that Forsett did interchangeably. He caught it the same and most often ran it the same. Except for one play: Moore was absolutely smashed like a truck on one running play but bounced off without giving ground and just kept on moving. It was a fantastic display of balance and determination. Since we all could hear the pads clash together and the diminutive Moore was un-phased and deftly burned by the defender for a huge run, the cheers were loud and it was one of the best plays of the day. Another good play from him was one in which he lined up in a single-back set then motioned into the slot. The play broke down for the QB and Moore worked his way back to the passer after a brief stay in the assigned area of his route and made himself a target and was rewarded with a completion. It was a heady play for this stage of his first season. Along with Forsett, there wasn't much inside running, save for the big-play mentioned earlier. He was very comfortable in the offense and never looked out of place or confused. He performed in practice like he had been there before and did everything asked of Forsett just as capably. All hands-catches and put the ball away cleanly. Handoffs never stood out. Pass-pro was not asked of him that I could tell. He cleanly fielded a couple of returns.

END (Yes, it's over)

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Wow

That was great. You really saw a lot of detail during your time there. You certainly noticed and understood more of the offensive line and run game than the secondary. When I played I was a WR and CB, and I normally am thinking as one, which was reflected in what I caught at the practice I went to. Although it was also without pads.

Did you play in HS, and were you involved in the OL, DL, or run game? Just a curiosity, as it appeared to be your strength, and it was right where my report lacked.

Against, outstanding.

by cashless on Aug 6, 2009 12:13 AM PDT reply actions  

Awesome writeup.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 2:54 AM PDT reply actions  

By the way, Duckett is #44 now?

Dude, just pick a number. He was 42 and 45 last year.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 7, 2009 7:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Impressive attention to detail,

and vivid descriptions as well:

sticky paws that sucked up everything with ease.
powered ahead with speed that belies his size and stature. Standing next to FB Justin Griffith, it’s hard to tell the two apart, but the cut, muscle-laden Duckett still manages to stand out. His gut is not a six-pack. More like a keg or a 24-pack.

I love the descriptions of Forsett and Moore as well. I almost hope that Jones gets a minor injury so we can see what these guys can do with 10 carries per game (assuming both make the roster).

by LantermanC on Aug 6, 2009 8:40 AM PDT reply actions  

I'd rather hope that Forsett and Moore simply do a lot

with a few reps and earn more touches in the season, rather than being forced into touches due to injury

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 6, 2009 10:47 AM PDT up reply actions  

Same, but sometimes it takes an injury to give relatively inexperienced players

playing time over established veterans, which is why I said minor. If JJ comes up with a minor injury against the Rams and they do well, I still think we win, and then it will give the coaches more confidence in them throughout the season if they do well.

by LantermanC on Aug 6, 2009 11:41 AM PDT up reply actions  

that was certainly true in the Holmgren era

but will the same rules apply with Mora/Knapp?

by Mr Fish on Aug 6, 2009 12:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

Probably not as much so,

but it seems to be the case with most cases. You don’t lose your job or get flack for playing the experienced guy, if the rookie fumbles the ball and it gets returned for a td, the coach will get flak.

It’s sort of like an old Human Resources saying I heard a while back “If everyone I hire has a PhD, then management can’t blame me, but if I take a chance on a hard worker who seems really smart but got a bachelors from some no-name college and he doesn’t perform well, then management will blame me.” Something to that effect anyways.

by LantermanC on Aug 6, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had initial trouble distinguishing between Moore and Forsett.

Last year Forsett was wearing #30. This year he is #20 and Moore is #30.

by cashless on Aug 6, 2009 10:16 AM PDT reply actions  

I'm so excited for Saturday.

I’m hoping to borrow my dad’s elite SLR, get some good action shots.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Aug 6, 2009 10:47 AM PDT reply actions  

Fantastic.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 6, 2009 10:50 AM PDT up reply actions  

They don't allow video recording...

But somehow a leroy hill pass-rushing drill may have somehow ended up on my camera. I took about 300 shots. Still figuring out the best way to share them. Ideas welcome. I do have a photobucket account, but not sure I want to deal with that.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 12:19 PM PDT up reply actions  

You could just make a new photobucket account

and bulk upload all of your pictures. It wouldn’t take too long and we would <3 you for it.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

solid idea.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 12:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

Awesome write-up.

Just top-notch all around. Descriptive, entertaining, and insightful.

Man, I gotta get to a practice. Sounds like a great experience.

by jteckmann on Aug 6, 2009 11:04 AM PDT reply actions  

I have to concur with everyone here

I don’t know how much time this took you, but this is really impressive, especially in the little details you add to your summaries. This is awesome, great job.

"Why is it every time I need to get somewhere, we get waylaid by jackassery?" - Dr. Venture

by Eegah on Aug 6, 2009 11:46 AM PDT reply actions  

YES!

Football oh boy oh boy! Great write up!

by Bodach on Aug 6, 2009 11:50 AM PDT reply actions  

I was at there that day as well...

I posted this on another website a couple days ago and thought I would let you guys read it, so here you go:

These are some of my observations…-Cory Redding had the best day of anyone on the team. He was dominant in the drills, and he was dominant in the scrimmages. He looks like a giant and yet he seemed quicker than the rest of the d-lineman outside of Kerney (who was looking pretty beastly himself). I saw him blow by his guy from the DE position for a huge tackle in the backfield and I saw him bullrush up the middle from DT for what would have been a sack. There’s been some talk about his knee not being healthy, but from the looks of it he’s back to full strength. I’m excited.

-TJ Houshmandzadeh is very good and very fun to watch. He caught everything that got close to him and he’s the clear leader of the WR group. The crowd has already picked up the “Hooooussssshhhh!” yell whenever he does anything and it was pretty fun.

-John Carlson is amazing. I really think he’s got a lot more upside than he was able to show last season. He pulled down the best catch of the day on a Hasselbeck pass to the back corner of the endzone. He jumped up and caught the ball over double coverage and tapped his toes just inside the endzone before he and two defenders crashed to the ground out of bounds. TE’s aren’t supposed to be able to make plays like that.

-TJ Duckett is running hard and looking angry (and cut… he’s been in the gym). He was pounding the ball forward with authority and actually moving pretty fast. He looked better than Jones.

-Forsett vs. Moore looks like it’s going to be a nice battle. Moore is a serious burner, but Forsett is probably quicker speaking in terms of lateral movement. Moore at one point shifted out to WR and caught a deep ball. Forsett looked comfortable running the ball against the defense and looks like he could be stronger than last season. They are similar with each having slight advantages in a few areas.

-Branch looked good, Burleson looked bad. Branch caught quite a few balls including a couple TD’s. Burleson couldn’t catch a damn thing during scrimmages. Hasselbeck hit him in the numbers across the middle and he dropped it. It was only one day, but he was not on point at all.

-Ken Lucas is a big upgrade at corner. He was playing really physical and had a nice tackle about five yards behind the line of scrimmage. Didn’t see much from any of the other DB’s although Babineaux got the crowd going a couple times (including a pick) and Marcus Trufant was not present. Have to admit that I spent the least time watching the defensive backs though.

-Matt Hasselbeck looked comfortable and healthy.

-Seneca Wallace looked for Logan Payne quite a bit with the B team and Payne made the catch whenever he was thrown to. Looks like they have a nice chemistry and it also looks like Payne has pulled ahead of Obamanu and Taylor who, suprise, did nothing special. Bumpus had a good day. I think he looks better than Taylor and Obamanu as well. Kent is an amazing physical speciman, but something’s missing. He still has a ways to go. He did make a nice catch on a ball that was thrown way too high though and ran by people whenever he was headed straight up field.

-Deon Butler is fast and smooth, but never displayed his top speed. He got a step on Josh Wilson once, but the ball was a little under thrown and Wilson caught up along with another DB I didn’t ID. You can see his potential, but he didn’t seem to be asserting himself yet. Hopefully he gains some confidence as camp progresses. He and Kent were practicing together as kick returners during special teams.

-Tatupu and Hill looked good in drills, but that group would look a lot better with Aaron Curry in it. Hawthorne hit somebody pretty damn hard during scrimmages.

-Brandon Mebane and Lawrence Jackson both made a couple nice plays and displayed some nice athleticism. Colin Cole wasn’t impressive when I was watching. Red Bryant started getting really intense during scrimmages and talking some ****, which was nice to see, but then Duckett proceeded to plow through the D-line for a TD. He then spiked the ball and screamed to rub it in a little bit. Bryant shut up, but he did look effective cloogging up the middle outside of that play.

-Jim Mora was running all over the field and working with every position. He’s got a lot of energy.

by FWBrodie on Aug 6, 2009 12:50 PM PDT reply actions  

P.S. Hope I'm not stepping on your toes Misfit

Great write up, just figured the more information the better and it’s kind of interesting to see the similarities and differences in what we both saw. Just so everyone knows, you can really walk around the entire field and watch whatever part of practice you want. It’s impossible to watch everything at once.

by FWBrodie on Aug 6, 2009 1:05 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yes, it would be great if you could create your own fanpost.

Instead of hijacking this one (not trying to be rude). There easy to create, just use the links on the right side of the home page.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 1:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Wow.

That seems pretty selfish. Too late now. Sorry I guess.

by FWBrodie on Aug 6, 2009 1:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

What's selfish about the fact you totally hijacked my post?

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 2:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Hijacked your post?

If your interest was tied to personal recognition, I’m sorry and sorry for you.

I assumed that the objective was to provide everybody with a description of what went on at training camp that day and I provided some extra insight that I thought would help. Everyone still looks at your write up first, what’s the big deal? You should be grateful that someone was able to fill you in on some things that you may have missed. That’s how I felt when I read yours. So yeah, your comments seem selfish to me.

by FWBrodie on Aug 6, 2009 2:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I just felt that hijacking other people's posts was poor etiquette.

Especially when you’re well withing your power to simply create one of your own. Not about recognition, just about not trampling others’ work.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Threadjacks are frowned upon on most boards.

However, a threadjack usually changes the topic so it’s pretty much a push in this instance.

by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 6, 2009 2:50 PM PDT up reply actions  

Starting redundant posts is also frowned on.

I can see both sides in this one:

FWBrodie, unaware of the policy encouraging doing “fanshots” for your own training camp reports, thinks he’s doing the right thing by posting his thoughts here, where they’re on-topic.

Misfit, who is aware of the policy, sees it as a threadjack.

It’s really just an honest misunderstanding that I hope was worked out – because both of them obviously put a lot of time & effort into their posts and had some great observations.

by jteckmann on Aug 7, 2009 3:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

There is only one way to settle this...

Walk Off. Old school rules. David Bowie will judge.

RLTW!

by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 10, 2009 7:12 AM PDT up reply actions   2 recs

Cool, thanks for the different perspective.

I’m glad to hear that our D-line looked good (except Cole, but that’s to be expected)

by LantermanC on Aug 6, 2009 1:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's surprising

to hear that Burleson did crappy. Misfit74 came to the opposite conclusion from his observations.

Glenn Beck likes argument, but has a deap-seated hatred for logic.

by Cheddar28 on Aug 6, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Read 5 different reports about the same practice ...

… and you’ll get 5 different opinions on who the best WR was that day. At least, that’s what I’ve noticed while reading through all the blogs and coverage.

by jteckmann on Aug 7, 2009 3:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Burleson did fall down during one pass attempt.

But he was tightly covered by both Lucas and Grant. I didn’t fault Nate for the incomplete. He was blanketed on that particular deep-ball.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 7, 2009 3:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

Sorry, I didn't mean for that to sound snarky

I’m just getting the vibe that WR is a very difficult position to scout. It seems more than any other position you can have two people look at one player and depending on what they focus on, come away with totally different (and often conflicting) opinions. Plus it seems like practice conditions make all of them look good.. So if one happens to be having a bad day and just not catching or running right, then it’s really going to make them stick out like a sore thumb even more than usual.

by jteckmann on Aug 7, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

It's cool, and I didn't perceive your comment that way.

I just thought I’d offer some addt’l feedback. It is very tough to (armchair-) scout everything going on. Things happened really fast and play after play was run, often w/out a huddle and often w/ many subs. There is no question in my mind that Nate was running well and catching even better. He looked explosive and use a good portion of his run-after-catch arsenal, which indicates to me a certain comfort level with his return from injury. The way he caught the ball impressed me as much as anything, and I only saw one incomplete in team drills on which he was targeted. He’s also a pretty cool cat – mohawk and all. ;)

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 8, 2009 12:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Add ons:

Another thing I wanted to mention is that the Seahawks were running out some pretty powerful rushing packages. They ran one play a few times that really stood out where I’m pretty sure there was a TE on the left like an H-back (full back lined up off the line where a TE would be) and the H-back motioned over to the left of the TE off the line. Then they ran Duckett outside behind all those blockers. If they can get the LB’s sealed with that one Duckett would be a tough tackle for a DB or even two on the outside at full speed. Basicly, though, the running game was pretty deliberate in a tell-em-where-we’re-running, they-can’t-stop-it-anyway kind of way. I liked it.

Oh, and looks like Griffith will be starting at FB. He’s not quite as viscious as Schmidt, but he’s quicker, cleaner, more precise, and still powerful.

Mebane looks way too athletic to be a defensive tackle, he looked great. He didn’t get “to the quarterback” often if at all, but he was regularly moving his guy into the backfield or holding his ground. He was a monster on the sled too.

by FWBrodie on Aug 6, 2009 12:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Great post

I’m on my way to today’s practice.

by PerryCollective on Aug 6, 2009 1:50 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Cool.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions  

Here's a tip...

The Johnsonville brats are free, take advantage.

by FWBrodie on Aug 6, 2009 2:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

So you guys who've seen practice

Has there been no sight of my beloved 4-3 Over, with the WLB standing up on the line instead of behind the line? Is that just not going to be a part of this defense (was it all just a dream?)?

by jacobstevens on Aug 6, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions  

Nice pictures Misfit!

This and the writeups are making me seriously regret not signing up. There are still some UW ones, but that’s so far away, and there’s so much traffic…

by LantermanC on Aug 6, 2009 3:51 PM PDT reply actions  

thanks. it was a lot of fun.

I have a reg. for the 13th still that I can transfer. I won’t be able to travel up from Vancouver (WA) again in such a short time. I took the train up to tukwila, which was nice – and no traffic. amtrak, baby.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 6, 2009 4:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's nothing

I came in from NYC to see a practice.

(Well, okay, so I came to see the folks and the timing worked out….)

by thebyron on Aug 7, 2009 2:06 AM PDT up reply actions  

I didn't know people on the East coast had ever heard of the Seahawks...

;P

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 7, 2009 8:40 AM PDT up reply actions  

Don’t sleep on that. DC has a bar downtown that (at least used to) hosts Seahawks fans every Sunday… There are little pockets of us scattered around the country!

"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it."

- Ferris Bueller

by war_capitals on Aug 7, 2009 9:45 AM PDT up reply actions  

Heh. My comment was just sarcastic jab...

toward the media on the east coast. I think it’s great that there are fans of our Seahawks out there and all over the country.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 7, 2009 3:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

Grew up in Yakima, moved to NYC 8 years ago.

You’re right tho, the ‘Hawks don’t get a ton of respect out here….here’s hoping that changes this season!

by thebyron on Aug 10, 2009 10:01 AM PDT up reply actions  

Well, that and the Dallas 'Romo botched hold game'

That was sweet. I’m surprised Eastcoast Sports Promotional Network didn’t deny the event ever happening…

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 10, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

They almost did.

Doesn’t someone have a screenshot of a pre-emptive headline about how Romo led a game-winning drive to beat the Seahawks? Maybe it was Fox, but point is still valid.

"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."

by Fearless Frog on Aug 10, 2009 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I vaguely remember, but I think you're right.

maybe ksk has something?

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Aug 11, 2009 11:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

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