Crabtree to re-enter draft next year?
"Per a league source, agent Eugene Parker is telling the 49ers that Crabtree will sit out the season re-enter the draft in 2010, unless the team gives Crabtree what he wants." -PFT
Wow, what a douchebag.
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hahahah
never going to happen, but how funny would this be!?
This rookie salary thing needs to be contained.
I think everyone, even the players, can agree that a top 5 pick should not be paid what a top 5 player at that position gets paid.
Curry seems like a good guy and all, but I really hope he tells his agent to cave so we can sign him soon.
It's not Curry is out busting his ass in the sun with Lofa and Leroy yet.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 6, 2009 12:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Ugh, I know.
And that irritates me too.
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry isn't incredibly late though
I mean plenty of the top-10 picks haven’t signed yet, and we haven’t heard crazy demands from Curry yet
I’d like to see him sign sooner rather than later.
I wonder if his remarks about taking last year’s #1 pick deal if he were drafted #1 by the Lions are coming back and biting him in the ass, in the negotiations?
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 6, 2009 1:34 PM PDT up reply actions
I think the agent is blowing smoke.
Wouldn’t Crabtree’s value drop tremendously if he entered next year’s draft without playing organized football for a year? A la Bo Jackson being the #1 overall pick or something like that and then being barely drafted by the Raiders in the next draft.
Or I suppose he can Mike Williams his way into the clutches of the Lions, who can maintain their status quo of a shiny 1st round WR every few years.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
His agent is the same that basically ruined the relationship
between Buffalo and Jason Peters. Certainly some of the blame can be assigned to Crabtree, but when it comes to these agents, it seems like they are only after the money.
If I was the 49’ers, I’d tell him to take a hike. Also, if the 49’ers cave and give a #10 pick #3 money, it’s going to throw everything into the meat grinder as far as the other unsigned picks go.
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 12:27 PM PDT up reply actions
Partially this is just crazy
Partially we should blame Al Davis. I mean, I almost get the logic of “he wasn’t drafted highest, but he’s clearly the best of the WR group”. Luckily, it doesn’t work that way, and he can take any demands tied to that logic and shove ‘em where the sun don’t shine
Don’t give in, Niners!
Well, I'd still give the Niners WR corps an 'A'.
NOT.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Jevon Snead, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling 6'2, 200, RB Jonathan Dwyer
C'mon dude. They have Josh Morgan.
A+
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 3:29 PM PDT up reply actions
And Brandon Jones.
The Titans were just too stupid to realize the burgeoning talent under their noses and let him walk.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 6, 2009 4:15 PM PDT up reply actions
Beast.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 6, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions
Wow, what a douchebag.
Seriously?? It’s just a baseless threat to try to get more money. Considering the number of unsigned first round picks, it’s pretty ridiculous to call him a douchebag.
He's trying to upset the slotting system and he's hurting his team.
Yes, he’s a douchebag and so is his agent.
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 6, 2009 2:01 PM PDT up reply actions
He's not hurting his team any more than Curry is
It wasn’t his agent who said that anyway.
And trying to upset the slotting system? He thinks he deserved to be picked higher (and he’s probably right). Trying to get more money makes him a douchebag? Um okay, I guess most people are douchebags then.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 2:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Curry doesn't get a pass.
But he’s not making a fool of himself by threatening to sit out the season either. It doesn’t matter what Crabtree thinks; he was picked 10th and he deserves a contract worthy of the 10th pick. His primadonna attitiude (as noted by the Rams and Browns during pre-draft interviews) bit him in the ass on draft day and now it’s in the open for all to see.
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 6, 2009 2:45 PM PDT up reply actions
But he’s not making a fool of himself by threatening to sit out the season either.
When did Crabtree do this? Because his cousin says something stupid that means Crabtree said it too?
he was picked 10th and he deserves a contract worthy of the 10th pick
In your opinion. Not in Crabtree’s.
His primadonna attitiude (as noted by the Rams and Browns during pre-draft interviews) bit him in the ass on draft day and now it’s in the open for all to see.
I don’t know how it hurt him on draft day (and a primadonna WR isn’t exactly shocking, is it?) but I don’t see how wanting to get paid what your worth makes you a primadonna. Because the Raiders are stupid and picked DHB first Crabtree should get paid less?
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 3:04 PM PDT up reply actions
The Raiders' draft was stupid according to you
and anyone else who rides on Crabtree’s jock. I’m looking for DHB to have a solid season. At least he’s on the field.
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions
Well you are pretty much alone in that opinion
DHB is almost universally considered a lesser prospect than Crabtree.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Yeah, all reports of DHB coming out of camp so far is that he's dropping everything in sight.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 6, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
He dropped 3 passes in a row
In one of the practices. Not that 3 drops means he’s going to be a bust, it’s just funny. ;-)
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm sure it is
But he plays Wide Receiver, not Wide 4.3-40-yard-dash-runner
Really? Because I thought LantermanC was really insinuating that his speed was a redeeming factor.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 7, 2009 8:55 PM PDT up reply actions
Nobody ever made the Pro Bowl
by running quickly. He’s got to be able to catch too
I hope the new SBNation layout comes with a sarcasm detector next to the Rec function.
"Part, fools!
Put up your swords. You know not what you do."
by Fearless Frog on Aug 8, 2009 7:46 PM PDT up reply actions
Expecting either Crabtree or DHB to have solid seasons this year would be inane. They’re both rookies and – more importantly – neither one looks NFL-ready.
by Thomas Beekers on Aug 6, 2009 4:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Hypocrisy
You calling the Raiders stupid is the same thing as Airborne calling Crabtree a douchebag.
Not really
Find a draft expert who like the Raiders draft and get back to me.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions
Exactly
This is all about making judgments on personal preferences.
You think the Raiders are stupid (Granted, most pundits agree.)
Airborne thinks Crabtree is a douche (If Crabtree keeps it up, most pundits might also agree.)
Keeps what up?
That’s exactly my point, what has he done to be labeled a douche? Holdout like a bunch of other first round picks? Is it just because he’s on a team you don’t like?
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 4:16 PM PDT up reply actions
I kind of feel bad for him.
He has a bad agent. Crabtree could get #10 money. Unfortunately, his agent thinks he’s worth far more, and no one is agreeing with him.
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 5:43 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't think that his agent is bad
He’s just trying to get as much money for his client as he can. It’s not like he couldn’t still lower his expectations and get #10 money.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 6:07 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand that, and a lot of people parrot the talking heads.
However, the “experts” are wrong constantly. Tatupu was a reach and Hasselbeck was a wasted pick, for example.
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions
They aren't always right
But parroting a near consensus opinion is a lot different than calling someone a douchebag just because they want to maximize their salary.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions
Crabtree and his agent are a little myopic...
If he holds out all year, he won’t make NEARLY what he would’ve made if he just signed the shortest deal possible at #10 money and gave them the finger after 3-4 years.
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it."
- Ferris Bueller
by war_capitals on Aug 7, 2009 10:59 AM PDT up reply actions
Yes
But he WON’T hold out all year, I can nearly guarantee you that. It was a baseless threat by his cousin (who has nothing to do with the negotiations. People are acting like Crabtree has already decided to sit out the year.
And first round picks can’t sign 3-4 year deals I don’t think, i think the minimum is 5 years. Regardless, a team has control over it’s players for their first four years, six if the CBA falls through.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 7, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Cool, thanks for the clarification on the CBA. I’ve spent most of the summer at a hockey blog and haven’t been doing my NFL homework enough.
If my career and millions of dollars were at stake and my cousin started popping off at the mouth like this, he’d have a hard time eating that delicious summer corn-on-the-cob with NO FRIGGIN’ TEETH!!! (H/T to “The Blues Brothers”)
"Life moves pretty fast. If you don't stop and look around once in a while, you could miss it."
- Ferris Bueller
by war_capitals on Aug 7, 2009 12:44 PM PDT up reply actions
And yeah, his diva attitude did bite him in the ass
especially as far as the Rams go. They have 0 legitimate receivers, Crabtree could have been picked #2 overall and been an immediate starter.
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by Wayward Llama on Aug 6, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Donnie Avery?
They needed a LT, there was no way they were going to pick Crabtree.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions
Some Crabtree facts:
1. Cannot manage his own camp. His cousin used the term “we” in referring to the contract negotiations. Do you know who else uses his cousin as an adviser? Vince Young.
2. His college roommate was busted for selling cocaine while he lived in the same place.
3. His pre-draft interviews were awful with regards to his attitude.
4. He is more talented than DHB.
You can be a Crabtree apologist all you want; that’s your opinion and your entitled to it. However, there is a clear reason why he dropped to 10 and it wasn’t the injury (which he is supposedly healed from but no one can tell because he has yet to practice in the NFL). Where there’s smoke, there’s fire.
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 6, 2009 3:51 PM PDT up reply actions
I don't understand your points
1. How is he supposed to manage his cousin? And frankly, who cares what his cousin says?
2. That’s great. What that has to do with Crabtree’s hold out, I have no idea.
3. I never said he had a good attitude. Neither do a lot of NFL players. Again, what this has to do with his holdout I don’t know.
4. Agreed, and that supports my argument that if you were Crabtree you would want to get paid what you deserve.
You can be a Crabtree apologist all you want
I don’t want to be a Crabtree apologist at all. I just hate it when people insult people for no reason, like when they insult athletes for trying to get as much money as they can.
However, there is a clear reason why he dropped to 10 and it wasn’t the injury
I don’t know where you get that idea. I think he dropped because of the injury, because most teams didn’t need a WR (Smith was a better pick for the Rams), and the one team that really did that picked before the Niners has a crazy infatuation with speed so they went with DHB. I’m sure his attitude didn’t help him but I seriously doubt it had much, if any effect on his draft status.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 4:14 PM PDT up reply actions
IMO, this is the latest manifestation of a long record of poor judgement.
I just hate it when people insult people for no reason, like when they insult athletes for trying to get as much money as they can.
Fair enough. I have an equal distaste for unproven athletes with a sense of entitlement. I have no issues with established veterans pushing for fair market value.
Also, I really just want Curry to sign and Crabtree may just be my outlet for pent up frustration.
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 6, 2009 6:05 PM PDT up reply actions
Well, don't you believe in a free market?
He deserves a lot more than the minimum. You’re supposed to pay athletes for what they do going forward, not what they have done. Who would you rather have signed for the next 4-5 years, Hines Ward or Crabtree? Ward might be “proven” but Crabtree is a more valuable asset going forward so he deserves to be paid more.
I don’t understand why a veteran is more entitled to their fair market value. We don’t know what either type of player is going to do in the future, so we pay them based on their expected performance.
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions
Veterans are a proven commodity.
The buyer has a much better sense of what they are getting for their money. The slotting system of rookie contracts is the accepted pricing stratagem for valuing unproven commodities. According to your assertion, every rookie is entitled to demand Eli Manning money because they all believe they will be the best player to grace an NFL team. In order to prevent this chaos, the rookies are valued according to their draft position. I’m sorry Mr. Crabtree, but your opinion doesn’t matter. The 10th draftee deserves 10th position money. Once (if) he proves himself, then by all means, go get paid. If he were a QB I would be more sympathetic due to the deserved QB premium (most important position on the team). However, he’s a WR and he wasn’t even the first WR taken in the draft. Time to face the music.
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Aug 6, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions
Rookies are obviously a high-risk investment
That doesn’t mean they shouldn’t get paid though.
And as far as this comment:
According to your assertion, every rookie is entitled to demand Eli Manning money because they all believe they will be the best player to grace an NFL team. In order to prevent this chaos, the rookies are valued according to their draft position. I’m sorry Mr. Crabtree, but your opinion doesn’t matter.
I would agree except for the fact that it wasn’t just Crabtree’s opinion, it was the opinion of nearly all talent evaluators. Crabtree’s expected play hasn’t dropped just because Al Davis didn’t pick him, so he shouldn’t drop his price tag. I’m not saying he will get that much money, but if I were in his position I would do the same exact thing.
The 10th draftee deserves 10th position money.
Who decided this though? Because it has been done in the past means Crabtree should accept the same fate? Why shouldn’t he at least try to get more money?
by Brendan Scolari on Aug 6, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions
Addendum
According to Niners Nation, this isn’t his agent talking, but cousin/advisor David Wells, who a) isn’t talking in an official capacity and b) doesn’t seem to know that much about the situation anyway.
So false alarm? For the Niners sake, let’s hope so (which means from our perspective, let’s hope not :P)
Reports are that the Chiefs have just signed Tyson Jackson to a 5-yr deal
Financial terms undisclosed as of now
Crabtree would have gone #1 overall based on the actually playing football part of the scouting process
If he feels like his non-participation in the running in straight lines part of the process cost him millions of dollars then I think he is well within his rights to call that bullshit. I’m not sure if this is the best way to achieve this, but his fall to #7 was scandalous and shouldn’t determine his financial future to the extent that the 49ers would like it to.
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