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Seattle Seahawks Fight Hard but Fall to Chicago Bears 25 - 19

Seneca Wallace is a good enough backup quarterback that some fans confuse him for a starter. That was the case at training camp, where the calls for Wallace to start over Matt Hasselbeck were loud and clear. But Wallace has been in the league a long time and is still the shaky quarterback that mixes an occasional surprise in with a consistency of bad decision making and game altering errors.

That was the case today. Wallace looked strong early on. He worked Greg Knapp's conservative but efficient game plan to perfection, but as the game rolled on and the play calling opened up, the Bears adjusted and turned to the blitz. Wallace panicked under pressure, repeatedly, throwing an interception from his own end zone and ultimately lobbing the game away. His final pass was a reaction to gut pressure and as he rolled into the right flat, he didn't set up or consider his pass. Had it been complete, the game is over. It wasn't complete and Seattle lost close. Final score: Bears 25 - Seahawks 19.

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With Wallace's struggles described, Seahawks fans should take a step back and consider how close they came, without many of their top starters and against a team that could contend for the Super Bowl. Seattle's defense was the best defense on the field and by a good margin. The Bears have had their ups and downs and they are without Brian Urlacher, but one team was facing Seneca Wallace at quarterback and Brandon Frye at left tackle, and the other was facing a Bears' offense at full strength, fronted by Jay Cutler and built around Matt Forte. The latter was held to 25.2 yards a drive.

Seattle controlled the line and stifled the Bears rushing attack. It got timely pressure and rookie Aaron Curry forced a huge turnover late. It didn't get many breaks and didn't turn any whacky turnovers into points. It limited yards and fought hard on every play. It worked with backups at starting corner and two of its starting linebackers. The Seahawks looked like a young defense coming into their own.

That, the emergence of Julius Jones, the versatile and talented passing attack and good special teams play, minus a couple missed field goals by Olindo Mare, have me thinking this team could make the playoffs. This was a crushing loss, but though it's better to be lucky than good today, luck doesn't last, and great talent, good coaching and developing talent does. Now it's time to execute and win.

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Julius Jones

Jones gave Seattle an early lead taking a reception, breaking two tackles in the open field and running 39 yards for the touchdown. He continued to produce, propping up a struggling and disorganized offense. He found holes and hit them with power, spinning out of contact and blasting through arm tackles. Jones also did his steady-best against a blitz-mad Bears defense. When the game was on the line, he broke a rush 20 yards to give the Seahawks some final hope. It wasn't enough, but if Jones is not - maybe never a star, he is a good, rounded running back that Seattle is getting strong production from for peanuts.

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Hugs and Handpounds

To JJ, Burleson, and Aaron Curry.

Obscene gestures to Mare, the referee (you are nothing like Mike Carey), Travis Fisher, and Seneca Wallace’s basic thinking.

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 27, 2009 4:52 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Why Curry?

It looked like the first 2 Bears TDs were blown coverages by him.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 5:20 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He missed a tackle on the Knox TD

the other one wasn’t blown coverage, he just didn’t make the play. At least he had good to cancel out his suck this week.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 27, 2009 5:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

The Curry criticism is annoying. It’s the guy’s 3rd game. Chill out.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Sep 27, 2009 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I suppose you're right...

But with the 4th pick of the draft, is it so wrong to expect a sound open-field tackle?

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

STOP IT!

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 27, 2009 5:41 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

What?

It’s not my fault he hasn’t looked worth the hype so far.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

He has looked worth the hype

he’s also looked like a rookie.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 27, 2009 8:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

And it's been roughly 3 or more TDs that he could have stopped.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No.

We’re done. You do not get to hijack threads with Curry bitching anymore.

by BrianL on Sep 27, 2009 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least Sanchez isn't panning out either

Oh wait.

I too like ripping on the Curry pick, but I thought Curry played well today. 7 tackles, a sack, a forced fumble, fewer mistakes, and some very hard, very pretty tackles. Still hate the pick with a “Hutchinson Transition Tag” passion, but hey, he deserves props today.

by kearly on Sep 27, 2009 10:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I felt like laying into you this morning

Instead of passing off snide and sarcastic remarks, but I’m assuming it won’t matter because BrianL pressed the ban button.

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 28, 2009 7:19 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Senica has rotten away

He should have been on the feild for years. Jump-passes and side arm slings do not win championships. Give him the ball in space as a multi threat option, or get him off the roster. Accuracy please. NFL QBs have to first and formost, be accurate.

by Tygur on Sep 27, 2009 4:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I concede. Seneca Wallace is not and may never be

a starter in this league. In his defense he’s playing with an offensive line at about 60%, but he made some really bad decisions today.

by Hawkmain on Sep 27, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Did Mora tell Wallace to just stay in the backfield and not run it?

Because Wallace could of made some plays with his feet.

by russak on Sep 27, 2009 5:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

He had daylight galore at one point in the 2nd.

Easy first down on the ground. Threw instead. Incomplete.

--Shrug
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by Shrug on Sep 27, 2009 11:25 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

this was one of the things I thought was key for seneca.

If he can’t overcome is ‘in-the-pocket’ brainwashing from teh Walrus he might have made some nice runs.

by paul2 on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The coaches wanted him to stay in the pocket

They didn’t want to see him hurt and then have to start Teel.

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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 11:46 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

really, who said?

Interesting, IMHO a QB can get hurt in the pocket too. (see A. smith).

by paul2 on Sep 28, 2009 11:48 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can't find it now (maybe I imagined it)

I thought I read it on the TNT blog or at Sando’s place. It might have been speculation to begin with.

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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 12:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Angry Mora called the missed field goals "unacceptable"

… and hinted very strongly that changes will be made. Where’s Coutu now?

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 5:04 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I Heard About These Comments

And I lost a lot of respect for Mora today. If your game plan relies on a single player being completely perfect then you have a shitty game plan. Want your field goal kicker to not lose the game for you? Tell your offense to score touchdowns more than, oh, 15% of the time you’re in opposition territory.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 5:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You have to make those, though.

Especially the 34-yarder.

A Mariners fan in Seattle

by Coach Owens on Sep 27, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's a tough miss

but I don’t agree with calling out the kicker.

by John Morgan on Sep 27, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

It sucks Mare missed that 34 yarder, it should be a gimme, but if the offense doesn’t stall every single time they get inside Chicago’s 30 yard line, if they convert just one of those SIX drives into a touchdown, it’s a whole different game.

Speaking of troubles inside Chicago’s 30 — I couldn’t tell if Knapp’s playcalling suddenly became really conservative at that point, or if Wallace was just choosing the checkdown every time they got into field goal range. It drove me nuts, they seemed to get into FG range and then stop throwing downfield, as if accepting a FG as good enough. Play to win!

by sev79 on Sep 27, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I felt the same way!

We were moving the ball comfortably between the 20s with a great passing attack, then it seems like they closed the playbook once they got close enough to try a Field Goal. What the fuck. So annoying. I hate watching teams play to not lose instead of playing to win.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:07 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

agreed

Personally, I’d give Mare at least one more week.

But it sounds like Mora has a shorter leash on his kickers.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 5:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Its the frickin' free throw of the NFL

Kickers should be automatic within 40 yards unless they’re playing in a swamp or the LS/holder muff it.

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by ninjasocks on Sep 27, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free throws aren't automatic either, they get missed all the time.

Mare missed one, it was bad and he should of made it, but Mora’s comments are childish and immature.

by MFAN on Sep 27, 2009 7:44 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

and stupid

It puts extra pressure on the one player you want to avoid putting pressure on.

by kearly on Sep 27, 2009 10:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think the more apt analogy is that it was a missed open layup

Those also get missed sometimes, and the players that miss them usually get castigated for it.

by sammy on Sep 28, 2009 12:52 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't blame Mare for the loss and I never said anyone should be cut

Every part of the team made mistakes yesterday, from the QB to the secondary, the WRs, the TEs and the HBs. We weren’t favorites to win this game, but we gave it our best and got close.

I’m not going to defend Mora’s comments. I didn’t hear them and don’t think they’re relevant to this talk of play on the field.

Nonetheless, on a good day without a flub from the LS/holder, a kicker should be automatic at 35 yards. Its like missing two FTs in a tight basketball game. At 44 yards, kickers should make the vast majority of their FGs. Missing two very makable FGs in a row during a very tight and very important game is unacceptable. It can only be demoralizing to the rest of the team.

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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 11:45 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

LeBron misses free throws. I'm fairly sure he hasn't been cut yet.

You don’t cut a player on the back of one somewhat bad performance, especially when they have a history of success. That sort of reactionary cut would make Mora look pretty bad.

by abender20 on Sep 28, 2009 12:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Where did I suggest that Mare be cut?

Where did I offer any support of Mora’s tirade?

Mare fucked up. He missed two easy FGs in a game that was decided by 6 points. Was he the sole or even main reason why we lost? No. Housh had a bad fumble, Deon took out Fisher on a TD play and Seneca may a few bad decisions.

The fact remains, though, that Mare’s mistakes left the Hawks with zero points after two successful drives into FG territory. Does this justify cutting Mare? Probably not. He played pretty well the first two games and has killed it on kick offs. Does he deserve a kick in the pants? Absolutely.

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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 1:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Your analogy would be more apt if LeBron was a free-throw specialist

… but like ninjasocks, I never said I thought Mare should be cut because of this one game.

And I’m not sure Mora’s remarks carried that implication either.

by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, You Have to Make Those

But one more time; if you don’t want a single player to lose the game for you, don’t rely on a single player to be perfect to win the game for you.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yes, every single player has to do his part

That includes the kicker, and he let his teammates down today.

I think that was Mora’s point. His team played hard and probably well above their level. But their effort was unrewarded because the kicker had a bad day. He missed not once, but twice, from usually makeable distances. There was nothing wrong with the snaps or the placement of the ball. No opposing players nearly blocking the kick. So both kicks should have been routine. No different than the ones he’s practiced over and over again, to get his mechanics exactly right. He’s paid a lot of money to make those kicks, and with that large salary comes the expectation that he will rarely miss.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 5:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look...

…nobody’s saying Mare didn’t eff-up a couple of makeable kicks, but lots of things have to go wrong for those two kicks to be the difference in the game. Wallace is paid a lot of money to throw touchdowns, the receivers are paid thirty or forty times what Mare makes to catch touchdowns. The return team is paid a lot of money to not let a returner bring it out to the 45 from eight yards deep.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Granted

… but the difference is that kicking field goals is something that you can drill on, until it becomes almost as automatic as Tiger Woods sinking a putt. (I don’t watch basketball, so I can’t name a player who’s normally expected to sink a free throw.)

There are far more variables to account for in a play from scrimmage. And kickoff coverage is barely controlled chaos. So it’s reasonable to expect a wider variation from the ideal in those circumstances, and to be more forgiving when those plays aren’t perfectly executed.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 6:35 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're Beating a Dead Horse,

nobody’s disagreeing that Mare effed-up his job today, the issue is Mora’s reaction to it.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Understanding Mora's viewpoint is exactly the horse I've been beating

But I agree, it’s probably dead now.

In any case, I’ve already said I don’t think the missed FG’s hurt as much as Wallace’s intercepted throw from the endzone.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 7:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Mora blames Mare for this loss

I will have lost respect too. Even if he makes both field goals, it’s only a tie. The overally team made too many mistakes and Wallace’s inability to get in the end zone was just as bad as Mare’s missed field goals.

by ASeahawkfan on Sep 27, 2009 5:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Gregg Knapp got conservative at the end of the Half

It set a tone for the rest of the game when Seattle with time to go for the TD decided to put it on there kickers foot at the end of the half. Mare missed but Knapp should’ve gone for more points.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 5:56 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Meh, it was a 3rd and 13 and from where Seattle was it was a bout a 50 yarder.

Going up by 9 would of been huge, I think Knapp was trying to get a couple yards to help set Mare up and didn’t wanna risk Seneca making some huge mistake to cost them 3 points.

by MFAN on Sep 27, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but he played it conservative on 2nd down to.

That last series before the half had FG written all over it when we could’ve tested teh waters a little more to see if a TD was possible. I felt we settled to early in that last series before the half ended.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 8:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stupid and rookie move by Mora.

The Seahawks didn’t lose because of Mare and his four made kicks, plus great kickoffs shouldn’t be ignored either.

by Matthew on Sep 27, 2009 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kickoffs

Yes, Mare effed up big time on those FGs, but he was kicking off eight and nine yards deep in the end zone and the Bears were still getting okay-to-good field position on the returns. Why didn’t Mora call out the kick coverage team?

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because he refuses to admit Bruce DeHaven is worthless.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:27 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

lol Bruce DeHaven is not worthless

He is an excellent coach and a good motivater. It was just Mare himself that missed those field goals and the kicking coverage. It was just a bad game for our special teams.

by Seahawksfan23 on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bruce DeHaven is pretty worthless.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

For evidence, check out our recent special teams history

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Last year's opener, for example

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by Wayward Llama on Sep 28, 2009 4:00 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wasn't Mora's fault!

Did he fumble the ball after the half or throw an INT inside the 20 in the 3rd Qt and miss 2 very makeable field goals. He got this team ready to play and key player didn’t perform at critical situations. NOT HIS FAULT!

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yikes, Mora.

That’s terribly unprofessional.

by BrianL on Sep 27, 2009 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There's so much involved mentally when it comes to Kickers.

He’s crushing Mare’s confidence level even more by putting the blame on him. Doesn’t seem smart.

by Tyler Cox on Sep 27, 2009 7:00 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mare's a veteran

… and seems to be mentally tough enough to deal with criticism from his head coach.

In fact, I doubt he’s making any excuses for those missed kicks. I’ll bet he thinks they’re as unforgivable as Mora apparently thinks they were.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 7:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Mora implied Mare's job may be in jeopardy

by saying that changes are coming.

Mora’s comments were also very passionate, critical, and specific to Mare. He basically threw Mare under the bus and sounded like a he was a hair-trigger away from outright firing the guy.

Ever come close to losing your job (or lost your job) as a direct result of a bat-shit crazy boss? I can tell you from experience it is on the back of your mind especially in tough situations and Mare would not be immune to that.

I doubt Mare is making excuses either. The 34 yard miss was embarrassing. But Mora’s reaction and behavior is both low and stupid.

by kearly on Sep 27, 2009 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

You use the word "stupid" a lot.

It’s a tough word t validate. You seem like a pretty smart person, I think you can do better than “stupid.”

by Jo-Jo on Sep 28, 2009 5:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

so twice in 2 posts is a lot?

I think stupid is the apt word. Foolish could work I guess, but I prefer stupid because emotional, reactionary people tend to say stupid things.

by kearly on Sep 28, 2009 5:54 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If we must blame ONE person,

blame Housh for coughing up the ball on that 3rd quarter reception. Bears scored a TD on the next possession. That was the turning point. As ticked as I am about the missed FG’s today, the fact is there were several missed opportunities that didn’t have Mare’s name on it.

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by Shrug on Sep 27, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

If Housh is going to do that kind of stuff

Then he should shut the heck up.

The guy is a quality WR and he’s going to help the Seahawks a lot, but he really did cost the club this game.

It’s one thing to talk the talk, but he’s gotta do the walk as well… 35 yards and a critical backbreaking turnover ain’t walking the walk.

He doesn’t have to look very far to find a WR who knows how to act on this team… he should watch and learn.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"this team could make the playoffs."

I wouldn’t bet on it. 1-2 and they haven’t even started the tough part of the schedule yet.

This was a crushing loss, but though it’s better to be lucky than good today, luck doesn’t last,

Or ever even exist for the Seattle Seahawks, as far as I can tell.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 5:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't look at the record.

Think about how close they came to winning today despite missing several starters with injuries and having their kicker miss a couple chip shots and having some questionable ref calls (the fumble at the goal line; odd ball placement).

by Snowman1025 on Sep 27, 2009 5:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Close only counts with hand grenades

Still, the second- and even some of the third-stringers looked good today.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"Think about how close they came to winning"

I prefer not to.

They’re going to be 1-3 in a week. by that time the wave of starters will be coming back from injury, but the next wave will be starting.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 27, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

We should petition the NFL to not look at record when determining playoff spots

Maybe if we play good enough in junk time we could slip in by DVOA?

by kearly on Sep 27, 2009 10:26 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah, that was bad

on tv, Jones appeared to go almost a full yard past the 1st down line

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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 8:18 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's over now, 1-2 is really 1-3

We got the Colts next week! That’s why we needed this game. We would be 2-2 if after Week 4 if Mare and company didn’t blow this one.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 5:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Stop acting like we've already lost next week.

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by Wayward Llama on Sep 28, 2009 4:01 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Colts are good

But they aren’t THAT good.

Play the game THEN worry about the score.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The 2005 Seahawks started their season 2-2.

Lots of things happen early on. I’m not saying we’re a lock for the playoffs, but 1-2 doesn’t mean they’re just fucked or anything.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lots of winnable games

Look at the schedule, and look at how other teams in the division are doing. It isn’t over by a long shot.

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2009 8:26 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm strangely at peace with this loss

I really feared the worst on the defensive side of the ball and those guys came up with a decent (not great) game.

From what I can tell no new injuries. Wallace cost the Seahawks the game, no doubt. But that’s why he’s the backup.

I say don’t rush anyone back for the Indy game, get the starters all back out against Jax and play your heart out. Go into the bye 2-3 (3-2 if they’re insanely lucky against Indy).

I felt sick after the 49ers game. Feel fine now. And of course I’ll watch the night game.

by Keasley on Sep 27, 2009 5:37 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Sims and Frye were injured

Lucas re-aggravated his groin.

by kearly on Sep 27, 2009 10:28 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hate our ridiculous bad luck with injuries.

More than that, I hate that everyone will call Seahawks fans whiners for blaming things on injuries. It’d be like if the Colts lost Manning, Wayne, Clark, Freeney, and Sanders, then said Colts fans were “whiners” for blaming injuries. Yeah, every team goes through injuries, but sometimes fans have enough reason to bitch.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:15 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Does anyone know what exactly was said by Mora?

I didn’t get to see the press conference.

by MFAN on Sep 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Don't agree with the Hawk D being the best on the field...

As in the past 3 years, when it needed to make a stop, it couldn’t. Same old story.

Saw some nice flashes, of course. And some excellent 3 and outs. But when we needed a stop they couldn’t do it.

by Hawkdawg on Sep 27, 2009 5:40 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yep.

That is what I saw as well.

by JustinWF on Sep 27, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Considering how many back ups were on the field on D

I thought they did a good job. We do need to have some tackling drills though. Our tackling is horrible. Fundamentals Fellas. We gave them 16 pts. 10 pts on turnovers and 6 pts on 2 missed FG’s.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:09 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Anytime you lose a game by one score

You can say the defense didn’t produce when they “needed a stop”. All those 3 and outs are what make it a close, winnable game to begin with. The defense played quite well, considering they were out Trufant, Hill, Wilson, and Trufant (thats four starters, two of them pro-bowlers)… When you lose a game 25-19… thats an offensive letdown. Especially when you lose the time of possession battle and don’t get any gimme turnovers from the opposing offense.

I think we were just short too many starters to win this game without getting many luck plays. We ran it OK but not well enough to carry us and Seneca is just not good enough to put together game winning drives. Also, Chicago is a very good team. That D has always been top notch and now they have a good QB and receiving talent that is starting to turn the corner.

Mare shouldn’t be getting flack. He went 4 for 6, not his best game, but not a career ender. Dude was what? 24 of 27 last year and perfect on XP’s with four from 50 or better? Plus he is a kickoff pimp.

THis team is pretty good. With indy’s help the whole division will lose this week and we are still only back one. Add Walt, Trufant, Wilson, Tatupu, Hill, Locklear, and Griffith to this team and we will be the shiznit.

When we lose to a team I like to think: is this team gonna beat the other NFC west teams? I think Chicago will.

by michaelfox99 on Sep 27, 2009 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nope

There is “clutch” in defense as well as offense, kicking game, everything. And the Hawk’s D is not clutch. In fact, they are the opposite of clutch, and have been for quite some time. And they know it. Grant has brought the subject up more than once, post-game.

Chicago stopped us when they had to. But WE choked on D, at the end, as we have all too often recently.

And it seems to happen no matter how many starters we have missing.

by Hawkdawg on Sep 27, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This.

The D today was made a fool of when it actually mattered.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:30 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

The games was close, every play mattered.

They got sloppy on the last drive, doesn’t mean they aren’t “clutch” or that playing “clutch” even exists.

by MFAN on Sep 28, 2009 12:22 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Wow.

If you don’t think “playng clutch even exists”, in football or any other sport, there isn’t much we have left to talk about.

It is the single most distinguishing factor between good players and great players. Who makes plays when the game is on the line at the end? The question asked not only by fans, but by players, coaches, GMs…..

by Hawkdawg on Sep 28, 2009 8:53 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

but football is the ultimate team sport

if Josh Brown was the best clutch kicker of all time it wouldn’t matter unless his team put him in that spot, if Lofa is the best clutch tackler of all time it wouldn’t matter if the opponent chucked it 60 yards to avoid him…..

by Hancock.Brett on Sep 28, 2009 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well...

After watching the game a few things came into my mind.

One, the play calling. Jones is having a good game, but Knapp continues change in and out the other RB’s, just like last week when Forsett is the better back. Also Wallace is not a pocket passer, but yet I see way to many pocket passes. Roll the guy out, run some screens, do anything but be way to vanilla.

Second Wallace. The guy is a good backup, but please never call for him to start again over Matt, NEVER. Seneca makes dumb mistakes, has bad body language, has issues getting the ball over tall linemen, and most of all he has bad footwork back peddling from center and throwing of his back foot. Good backup, but he is not a starter, end of story.

Three, injuries. Hasselbeck, Hill, Tatupu, Trufant, Jones, Sims (again during the game), Griffith, Wilson, etc and the one main point here, key guys out means you can’t make mistakes (turnovers, missed FG, field position, sacks). When you do this, you lose and the Hawks lost.

Fourth and final, killer instinct. After everything the Hawks were up by two, Chicago had a long field, and what happens, they WALK down the field and score on a long TD, that is a joke at home. That falls on the team, from coaches, to players to the fans. The fans seemed loud on TV, but everything else was bad. Until this team has “it” they will be a 5-9 win team and a quick one and out if they even made the playoffs. This can change, but I’m not sure they can make the change this year, I hope I’m wrong.

by JustinWF on Sep 27, 2009 5:42 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I really didn't like the Edge drive

It seemed like they had just decided that he would get one possession and he was pretty ineffective.

by Nate Dogg on Sep 27, 2009 5:47 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This experiment with Edge is over

He should only be in on mop up duty.

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 27, 2009 6:01 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

He looked lethargic and just generally slow and bad.

He’s done.

The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.

by Nick Andron on Sep 27, 2009 8:40 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

There was no reason for it. No discernible context.

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by Shrug on Sep 27, 2009 11:29 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Spot on!

Amen. couldn’t agree with you more. Why was old ass Edge in the game when we didn’t need his slow ass carrying the ball.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:03 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Strangely, I'm not upset with this loss.

Disappointed, yes, but not upset. It’s probably because, I too, saw the silver lining with this loss.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 27, 2009 5:46 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Spencer looked really good today.

Mebane, dominant. Both of which I was hoping to see.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 27, 2009 5:48 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Where was Forsett

Why wasn’t he in the Final 2 minute drive Personel. He’s the 3rd Down back and should’ve been on the field. Didn’t understand Knapp’s grouping on that one. Also, what was up with the Reverse pitch on 3rd and 1! WTF. Not a Knapp fan so far.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:02 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Looking at the bright side

At least now those ugly neon green jerseys won’t have some superstitious association with winning. I know many of you guys liked them, but — what can I say? — your aesthetic judgment is questionable.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

I feel the same way about your aesthetic judgment.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle has great depth!

Even though we loss, Seattle proved they have great depth. Seneca made some mistakes but played good enough to win. It was starters Mare and Housz that really hurt us in this one. That being said Hawthorne was good Curry proved he’s not a good open field tackler we had many chances to win with 8 starters out. When we get a few starters back this team can be really dominant!

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:06 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

TJs fumble wasn't a game killer

It was relatively early in the game, and he bailed out Seneca on that awful awful pass. I thought Seneca continually missed wide open receivers, made poor decisions, and generally did very little to win the game.

by Hancock.Brett on Sep 27, 2009 6:10 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Fumble was in 3rd Qt I thought.

Not early in the game at all! If that’s the case. When we wereup 13-7 and we gave up a TD to be down 14-13. Critical time in the game.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:12 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think it was at least twice he missed a wide-open TD pass

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why bag on Housh?

Sure, he had a fumble, but that wasn’t so much a mistake on his part as it was the defenders hitting him before he had a chance to secure the ball.

There were several plays where Housh was drawing double coverage, and that opened things up for the other receivers. So you can’t count his catches as his only contribution.

If you want to bag on someone for dropping balls they should have caught, consider Mr Carlson instead. Our golden boy did not have one of his best games…

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 6:13 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A fumble is pretty much always the fumbler's fault.

He was fighting for extra yards with several defenders around him. Go down, or get two hands on that ball!

by sev79 on Sep 27, 2009 6:17 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carlson can share in the blame

You cannot turnover the ball in this league. Not a matter of blame but of fact. I love Housz to but the ball was secure and he should’ve secured it more. Turnovers are unacceptable in this league. He knew he was going to take a hit. PROTECT THE BALL.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:15 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Personally, I'm willing to forgive a fumble that happens while fighting for yards.

Football’s a violent sport. S**t happens, and it happens in the blink of an eye.

Dropped passes, stupid throws and missed field goals are much more unforgivable in my book. So while I’ll agree that the fumble hurt, I’m not angry about it.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 6:24 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Then you'll be rooting for the Detroit Lions

That stuff ain’t forgivable. If you forgive all those things then we might as well be looking at Pop Warner football. Those are all the things that separate good teams from bad teams. Dropped balls, Stupid Throws, Fumbles…it’s usually the teams that do the less of that crap that win!

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

true..just re-read

I love effort to but not at the expense of a turnover. That extra yard right there didn’t mean that much. Hey, did you guys think the Refs got Forte’s fumble wrong near the endzone?

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:42 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

No, I think the refs got that call right

… as much as it pains me to admit it.

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 6:45 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

it was so close

I thought it was tough to reverse. Had the refs called it the other way from the beginnig I still thought it would’ve been tough to revers.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:46 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed.

I thought they’d made it more difficult to overturn rulings this year….guess not, based on that.

by thebyron on Sep 29, 2009 8:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Don't worry

They’ll probably change things back by the time we need to overturn a ruling.

Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)

by ninjasocks on Sep 29, 2009 12:59 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Curry Whiffed Again!

Johnny Knox made him look silly! Thank god for the strip!

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 6:17 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Are you Fearless Frog's alter-ego?

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 27, 2009 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I hereby claim "Mansfield Wrotto's Oddly-Shaped Head" as my next account, whenever I work up the willpower to make it.

Which will be never considering it took me almost 2 years to finally register here.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Surely everyone who recognized that Curry made several mistakes today including that crucial one must be one of my many alter-egos.

"I wish the Seahawks were back in the AFCW so we didn’t have to face Willis and Gore twice a year."

by Fearless Frog on Sep 27, 2009 8:34 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Not Fearless Frog's alter -ego

Just saw the play like everyone else. Just like last weeks whiff. I’m not Curry bashing but we should be able to point out things that happen without people coming down hard on us. He made a great play with causing the fumble to. I guess “For Me” I would expect a linebacker picked that high in the draft to make open field tackles. That “For Me” has nothing to do with experience. That’s just physical play not mental. Keep the guy infront of you and wrap up! They teach that stuff in Pop Warner. It pains me to not just see him miss open field tackles but others on our team miss tackles to. I called out Lofa when he whiffed earlier this year to. But please chill out on scrutinizing those with constructive criticism, even when it’s about Curry.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 9:06 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players make mistakes

Going on a tirade about Aaron Curry missing an open field tackle onJohnny Knox—4.34, Johnny Knox, 6.81 three cone, Johnny Knox—when Curry had a sack, two tackles for a loss, a forced fumble and a quarterback hit is like complaining about Peyton Manning’s first quarter interception. It exhibits a penchant for fault-finding and a poor understanding of the game.

Early in the fourth quarter, with Chicago up by one, Curry tackled Forte for a loss of two yards. A play later he stripped Jay Cutler and flipped field position. That sequence took Seattle from slight underdogs to late favorites to win. It was a 26% swing.

Constructive criticism is constructive. Tearing down a rookie that kicked ass and nearly won the game for us, that’s entitled bitching.

by John Morgan on Sep 27, 2009 11:01 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Also

“Pop Warner” fundamentals are just that, and an open field tackle gets to be a bit more difficult when you move up a level of competition. I experienced it when I moved up to the next level after high school play. It takes a while to get used to, and I can only imagine what it would be like trying to coral some of the best athletes in the world, especially when it’s their primary responsibility to avoid the tackler.

People talk about open field tackling like it’s one of the easiest, fundamental parts of the game, when in reality it is one of the most difficult. “Tackling” is fundamental, but “open field tackling” (as I understand it) takes a very high level of skill, that is lost on many NFL defenders. That is why it is mentioned with such commendation.

The dude had a great football game, minus a few mistakes and was considerably better than he played last week. Please keep your expectations reasonable.

by Jo-Jo on Sep 28, 2009 6:23 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Players do make mistakes

But you can understand that when your the 4th pick in the draft you will get more scrutiny. It kinda comes with the territory. Justified or not. Just kind of how it is. Definitely understand your point.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 28, 2009 7:37 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

"People talk about open field tackling like it’s one of the easiest, fundamental parts of the game"

In fact, I myself take it as a given that a skill player set up one-on-one in the open field should evade the tackle the vast majority of the time.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 28, 2009 10:55 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Really? The vast majority of the time?

I agree the odds are definitely in his favor, but I don’t think his edge is that huge — considering that his competition is also an NFL-level talent.

It would be an interesting statistical study…

by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:50 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Whatever the Proper Terminology is...

you often hear it said that the goal of most offensive plays is not to get a skill player “wide open” — though of course you’ll take it if it happens — but to neutralize enough of the defenders such that your skill player only has to defeat a single defender.

by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 28, 2009 5:32 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I blame the jerseys

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real.baller

by thomasikehara on Sep 27, 2009 7:11 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

BTW, why wasn’t Coach Mora wearing lime green too? He could have worn a jacket like the one Hasselbeck had at the start of the game…

by Mr Fish on Sep 27, 2009 7:21 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

While Seneca made some bad decisions

he made the most of some pretty tough pressure with his scrambling. Matt wouldn’t have been able to keep nearly as many plays alive and probably would have been sacked more frequently.

Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)

by ninjasocks on Sep 27, 2009 7:35 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

The scrambling is good

The Grossman-like chucking up of the ball is not.

The QB class of 2010 looks deep next season.

by SSreporters on Sep 27, 2009 7:43 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Or gotten the ball out sooner because he wasn't taking 18 step drops.

Also, he could change the protection, switch to a run play, blah blah blah. Being able to read the defense can greatly reduces sacks, apparently.

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by BrettJMiller on Sep 27, 2009 11:18 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I also see the positives

Usually after a hawks loss I’m depressed for the rest of the day but today was different. Our defense is good, and when we get lofa, leroy, and tru back, we should be a very good defense. Also, Curry will have more experience and that will help. It also helps that the 49ers lost and AZ is losing

by TheSteelersRuinedMyBirthday on Sep 27, 2009 8:13 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, but we got Indy next week.

Did you see what they did to AZ at AZ. Wow…There front 4 was all over Kurt. I smell 1-3. That being said I’m encouraged to. I could tell during the pre-season that our defensive depth was pretty good (with the exception of safety). The D fought hard all game against a pretty good Bears team. The offense let us down today. 2 Turnovers and Special Teams not converting 2 FG and giving up a big return set us back. But the D was good. Were missing 4 All Pro’s on both side of the ball. I think overall a good effort from our B team today. I guess what sucks is that we really had this game in hand and should’ve won. We beat ourselves today. That’s what hurts the most.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 27, 2009 8:58 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Indy

They have bad games and good games just like everybody else (except, of course, the St. Louis Lambs… who never actually have good games).

by sabbath999 on Sep 28, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

I'm looking forward to the DRAFT!

Obviously, the Seahawks need more talent, and fewer injuries. They are not good enough to go very far in the playoffs (if they qualify), so I say let the rookies and practice squad players play, develop Teel, Moore, Payne, Forsett. See who we have, what they can do. Maybe Teel is the franchise QB we need, so we don’t draft a QB in the draft. Moore could be anoher Reggie Bush, or Best, we need to find out. Use this year to develop talent, prepare for the draft.

by blazerbill on Sep 27, 2009 11:00 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

With their best players, they are still a team that can be a deep-playoff threat.

I do agree that the time for the future is upon them, but let’s see what they do with their best talent this year first.

Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.

by Carl Shinyama on Sep 27, 2009 11:19 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

are you going for some kind of record

for earliest call to tank the season in order to get a better draft position?

by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 1:03 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

This team is good enough to make the playoffs and go far

When healthy. I wouldn’t throw away this season yet at all. Especially in our division. I think Gus Bradley is doing a great job with the Defense also.

by Mr. Blache III on Sep 28, 2009 7:40 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

Are you kidding?

This team is NOT going to the playoffs. Unless the writer of this article was referring to maybe next year.

by mrcoffee1969 on Sep 28, 2009 1:59 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Calm down.

Playoff teams last year who started 1-2: Dolphins, Colts, Chargers, Vikings.

We’ve still got 13 games to play, and our division isn’t all that great. Take a deep breath and wait for some more football to happen.

by thebyron on Sep 29, 2009 8:51 AM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

A game out of first

with a team of walking wounded, half dead, too old cripples.

Yeah we have a lot to hope for this year.

by mrcoffee1969 on Sep 28, 2009 2:08 PM PDT reply actions   0 recs

Please use the reply button

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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 2:11 PM PDT up reply actions   0 recs

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