Jim Mora Exposes His Own Poor Judgment and Leadership by Ripping Olindo Mare
"There’s no excuses for those. If you’re a kicker in the National Football League you should make those kicks – bottom line. End of story. Period. No excuses. No wind, doesn’t matter. You’ve gotta makes those kicks."
Singling out Olindo Mare for criticism is not just petty, it's inaccurate. I understand Jim Mora's frustration. Playing at home with an injury depleted roster against a playoff contender, Mora probably steeled himself for the worse. Had Seattle lost a blowout, Mora might have been more patient and equitable with his criticism. Instead, Seattle lost a close game they were winning well into the second half. They lost that close game by six points, the exact value of Mare's two missed field goals. That coincidence caused Mora to rip Mare and even threaten his job.
"We'll look at changes everywhere," Mora said. "We're not going to fight our ass off and have a field-goal kicker miss two field goals. It's not going to happen."
Mike Holmgren earned the respect of his team and fans by shouldering blame and not losing his cool in front of reporters. No one confused his restraint with a lack of fire or an unwillingness to discipline his players. It was class. If Mora had been right and Mare had truly been the difference between Seattle winning or losing, centering his criticism on Mare would still have exhibited a lack of leadership.
Mora didn't just handle the loss poorly, he was wrong. Mare had six field goal attempts and converted four. No kicker is automatic. The more attempts a kicker has, the more likely they are to miss. Mare kicked three attempts from 40-49 and three from 30-39. In 2008, all NFL kickers made 89% from 30-39 and 74% from 40-49. If an average kicker attempts three from 30-39, there is a 70% chance they make all three. If an average NFL kicker attempts three from 40-49, there is a 41% chance he makes all three and only a little better than 55% chance he makes two of three. Combine the two and an average NFL kicker should make 4.89 field goals in three attempts from 30-39 and three attempts from 40-49.
Mare made four. Had he exceeded the average, he would have made five and Seattle would have lost by three. If he had nailed all six, a feat an average NFL kicker could accomplish in less than three out of ten attempts, Seattle is tied - theoretically. One can't change an event in a sequence and expect all future events to remain unchanged. Nevertheless, the two missed field goals matched the point differential, making Mare an easy target. Mora ripped Mare publicly, lost his calm and threatened Mare's job. Inadvertently, Mora took the heat off Mare and put it on himself. Mare barely underachieved in a very limited sample. He missed two kicks in a string of six the way the best and worst kickers do. Mora displayed to Seahawks fans across the world a lack of leadership, critical understanding of the game and decision making.
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very dissapointed in this
I’m avoiding even reading/listening to the presser for fear of losing lots of faith in Mora.
by Hancock.Brett on Sep 28, 2009 2:18 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
That is just ridiculous, even moreso because like you said it’s not really accurate. DI don’t knw if you guys saw it (or care actually) but Doug Farrar and Mike Tanier had a funny exchange about this in FO’s Audibles at the Line:
Doug Farrar: Mora is fast approaching Jackass Status after blaming kicker Olindo Mare for the loss. Mare missed two field goals, but he made four, and to put it all on Mare was ridiculous and completely unprofessional. What about the shoddy playcalling that had the Seahawks trying that many field goals in the first place? A reverse to Deion Branch on third-and-one late in the game? Are you kidding me? Nah, not a problem. Mora said that it was a great playcall, but the Bears had the right defense. What about the horsecrap pass protection or the abysmal mid-zone coverage? Nope. Didn’t exist. All the kicker’s fault. After Ryan Mouton had problems in the return game for the Titans in their loss to the Jets, Jeff Fisher (who certainly didn’t expect to be 0-3 at this point) deflected blame off the kid and said that it was the coach’s responsibility to put the right people in the right places to succeed. That’s how you handle these things publically, and that’s one of the reasons Fisher’s been successful for a long time.
Mora may be a good defensive coordinator in a vacuum, but I really don’t believe he has the makeup to be a top-tier head coach. He’s a high-energy guy no matter what – rah-rah if everything’s going right, and completely scattershot if things aren’t going his way. Remember that he was available for the Seahawks after telling Seattle radio station KJR that he’d quit the Falcons and go coach the Washington Huskies at the drop of a hat. Bobby Petrino was rightfully excoriated for the way he left the Falcons, but Mora got a free pass from a lot of people. When all is said and done, I don’t think Seattle will regard him so highly.
Mike Tanier: Mora just struck you now as a jackass?
Doug Farrar: I was trying to be optimistic.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 2:26 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
His words are harsh
but if you watch the press conference, he doesn’t come off as a jackass. Just frustrated and picking a poor target to blame.
by John Morgan on Sep 28, 2009 2:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hm
Maybe, I’ve never heard the actual press conference, just seen the transcript. It certainly looks bad though.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you have a link to the press conference?
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 2:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2009/09/27/mora-mares-missed-kicks-unacceptable/
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 2:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actaully
I didn’t see any part where he talks about Mare in that interview.
by Brendan Scolari on Sep 28, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't actually watch the video
I just saw the post and figured it described what was in the video. Here’s a 23 minute press conference from Seahawks.com that probably includes the comment :
http://www.seahawks.com/media-lounge/videos/Week-3—-Mora-Press-Conference-Wednesday/cc328331-eefd-426b-84ac-c6e3b92a620b
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 3:34 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
John I have never disagreed with you more than I do now. It’s about time we have a coach that doesn’t accept “average a third of the time”, nor sweep any less than that under the rug.
Average has never, and will never win a sliver of anything worth competing for, and being a hard ass doesn’t make you a jackass, nor does it make you wrong. Expecting above average and nothing less is a characteristic of a competitor.
Go to Parris Island South Carolina and tell your drill instructor you finish %80, or tell a roadside bomb in downtown baghdad you survive (on average) better than a third.
Stop being ridiculous, you love this team, and we all do, and its not wrong to expect the best. And no, he wont be losing any respect from the players, atleast not the ones that have worked their ass off to try and make this team, of absolutely no expectation whatsoever, any bit better than average at best.
Think all day, and reason this team to death in defeat, but you will never be able to justify that which Sean Connery made painstakingly obvious. “Loser’s wine about doing their best (average in your case), while the winners go home and f*** the prom queen.”
Stop rationalizing average. I have endured average and little more since the day I dawned the blue and green, and I am done listening to any more justification of regressing to the joke that always has been and is, my only passion.
It would be one thing if you simply tricked yourself into accepting par for the all-time seahawks course, but you influenece a great many more, and I will never watch a coach for which I have had every doubt in the book, step up and expect above average from a professional player wearing a uniform in dire need of more than AVERAGE. Wake up, you’re way too bright for this.
by Maverickngoose on Sep 29, 2009 10:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If Mora was mad about average play
He should be most angry with Seneca. I would have had more respect had he thrown the entire team under the bus rather than Mare. 6 field goal attempts? Where were the TDs? Seneca’s ability to get this team in the red zone was below average.
And multiple drops by the receivers? These guys gotta look in the mirror and say “I gotta make improbably catches. I gotta play the game of my life right now. Our team is wounded and I Iwant to win, it’s giong to be up to us to make Seneca look like an all star even when he is overthrowing me or tossing the ball too hard.” Nothing less than a bunch of people stepping up and playing above the rim is going to get us a reasonable win-loss record by the bye.
by ASeahawkfan on Sep 30, 2009 8:25 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Different People Have Different Reasons for Being Upset at Mora's Outburst
Mine has less to do with his calculations of probabilities and more to do with what it says about his awareness of the larger game situation. He strongly implied that everybody was doing his job EXCEPT the kicker, that Mare was the lone reason they lost the game. If he really believes this he’s dangerously deluded.
by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 30, 2009 2:40 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mare
I couldn’t believe he would say something like this. I completely agree with the probability argument. I mean, how often do we see an 80% free throw shooter miss 2 of his last 6? I read some fan posts on another blog and for the most part, people were disappointed in Mora, but there were a few readers who thought it would be great to bring back zero-touchback-Coutu. Now this makes me doubt Mora’s overall ability. Is his selection of Knapp wise? Were the Raiders and Falcons offenses really very good when Knapp coached them? Was Mora responsible for Brian Russell starting for two years? Did Mora notice Mare taking away the kick return game from the Bears? For that matter, what’s up with the reverse on 3rd and 1?
by bosfan on Sep 28, 2009 2:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Mora needs to walk back those comments, and quickly, or he'll lose a lot of respect with his players
Kickers make for easy targets. The bigger story is how quickly losing will erode the restraint Mora has shown to this point in his tenure as the Seahawks’ head coach. Seattle is probably going lose games regularly as long as its best players are hurting. We’re only to Week 3 and already Mora is rolling on the kicker, and rolling hard. What happens if Peyton Manning throws seven touchdown passes against his shorthanded secondary in Week 4? What if Seneca Wallace throws five picks? Mora has done a better job controlling his emotions recently. His emotions seemed to control him Sunday.
This is the kind of big-mouth poor judgment that got Mora run out of Atlanta. Not good.
by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2009 2:35 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S. - A sampling of ESPN comments today on the neon green alts
“They should burn those. Those were the ugliest uniforms in the history of American team sports.” – Mike Wilbon
“The Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles that threw up on Seattle’s uniforms.” – Tony Reali
by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2009 2:41 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I LOVED the unis
I seriously thought the uniforms were awesome! I kind of wish that was their main jersey. Am I the only one that thought they were the bomb?
by KnoxVegas on Sep 28, 2009 3:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nope
Lots of other taste-impaired people agreed with you.
On Shutdown Corner, MJD called them the best alternate uniforms. On Fanhouse, they lead a slideshow of the ugliest uniforms.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 3:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear that, Scruffy?
We’re taste-impaired.
by BrianL on Sep 28, 2009 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 4:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And he's the one wearing socks and sandals.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes
I’m uncool and getting less cool in my old age. What’s your excuse?
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 4:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Now would be an appropriate time to point out that this is a thread about Mora's comments towards Mare.
by abender20 on Sep 28, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And those were probably uncool as well
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 4:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
They grew on me and now that people are talkin shit,
I love ‘em. I’m gonna get me one. But as I stated before the helmets should be and should have always been the darker blue. With the darker blue helmets and the dark blue pants, it’s a much more symmetrical look with the Electric Green. Just looked weird to me with the light blue helmet and dark blue everywhere else. But I won’t be wearing the helmet so I will rock the shit out of one of these. A grey alternate with the Electric Green numbers, and trim, with white around the #‘s, and those same dark blue pants would be hot. A black one would be nice too. Any of them would look hot but that helmet color has got to be changed (did I mention I don’t like the helmet color??).
by Hawkmain on Sep 28, 2009 4:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't hold your breath
As you may recall, the original plan was to have both a blue and a silver “alternate” helmet. The league said “no dice” to two helmets, so they put it to a fan vote, and the blue helmet it is.
by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2009 5:15 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yep
I voted for it back then and was bummed it lost in the fan vote. Same people that love the electric green jerseys, I guess.
by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2009 6:26 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hate the blue helmet.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Apparently
I’m the only person in the internets that thinks the regular unis are the dogs bollucks.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I voted silver as well
I was stunned when the blue helmet won.
And yes, the lime green jerseys are ugly as sin. Sometimes its cool to be different. I enjoyed the jerseys yesterday- but they are definitely not pretty or fashionable.
by kearly on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I liked the blue helmets.
But I was also around 14 at the time, and my taste in such matters was questionable at best.
by Fear on Sep 28, 2009 11:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I like the uniforms!
But then again, I’m a sucker for green
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Sep 28, 2009 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think they might look better with more green
I’m not a big fan of the blue sleeves with the green chest.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 3:56 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
See, I thought it was necessary
to “tame” the green and match w/ the pants.
I really liked them. In fact I’d buy one if jerseys weren’t so exorbitantly expensive.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Sep 28, 2009 3:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I wish...
they would do something with the green on the pants leg, maybe like (God Forbid!) the Denver uni’s, where the orange slides down the sides into the blue. It just looked like a oddly colored and badly mismatched high school jersey.
And I LOVE the idea of going with the color, I just don’t like the way it is currently constructed. Looks cheap.
http://www.dholmes.com/nfl/nfl-broncos-cutler-jay-6-home-2007-stockpic.jpg
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 28, 2009 9:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You're not the only one, but you all have bad taste in uniforms
I’ll bet you all watched (and loved) Toxic Avengers when you were kids.
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 4:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love them.
My green Tatupu is on its way!
by thebyron on Sep 29, 2009 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
*East Coast Douchebags
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 4:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I forgot who
The broadcaster on ESPN said
“If you don’t think those are awesome, you need lessons in Awesome!”
by StonerHawks on Sep 29, 2009 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sando also wrote a piece called
“Seattle could be paying for kicking decision”
Saying that Mare might not have been the right guy for the job in the first place.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 2:55 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sando Points Out
That Coutu made all his preseason kicks. Great, and I never missed one playing Tecmo Bowl, either.
Sando needs to steer clear of the Monday morning quarterbacking (so to speak). Even if Coutu had gone seven for seven, which you can never assume, we CAN assume that the Bears would have had 10-20 yards better field position on every subsequent kickoff.
by Santolina chamaecyparissus on Sep 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, it's not good form for Sando.
It’s clear that choosing Mare has paid dividends on kickoffs.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Mike Salk was pretty critical of Mora as wel.
From all accounts Jim Mora is a good guy, which is why I will be shocked if he doesn’t apologize to Mare in front of the media, privately, or both at some point this week.
by BrianL on Sep 28, 2009 2:38 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Last week
Nobody gets blamed for the poor play at least publicly, and now he actually has the gall to blame a kicker? It’s pathetic. I’m a diehard fan but Mora has some apolgizing to do before he gets my trust back.
If he is going to applause from crappy radio show hosts on ESPN (Softy) for ‘calling out’ players and making them resposible he needs to do it equally. Many people lost the game yesterday, most notably the coaching staff. How do we only put the ball in the endzone once?
by m_b on Sep 28, 2009 2:50 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought it sounded terrible
I listed to the audio on the radio coming back from the game, and I was shocked to hear him say that. If he learned nothing in his 2 year with Holmgren, he should have learned never to throw anyone under the bus publicly.
Mare missed 2 FGs he should have made, but it was a statistical anomaly based on his body of work. Mare mostly makes those, and is expected to because he usually does. Anyone who knows statistics knows that if you make 9 out of 10 kicks from 40 yards, if you miss one it does not change the statistics for the following kick. Based on last year and previous years, Mare just doesn’t miss very often from that range. I don’t expect to see it again.
Are you really going to replace him after that? What if the QB throws 2 interceptions in a row, or Walter Jones misses a block on 2 consecutive plays?
What about all the kickoffs that went into the endzone, making it that much harder for Hester to take it out? Every kick was in the endzone, and the last was a line-drive that he couldn’t come out with. Bring back Coutu, and you won’t get any of those.
Farrar is dead nuts on about the play-calling. For the 3rd week in a row we’ve called stupid crap on 3rd and short. What is it about this particular situation that causes Mora/Knapp to lose their sanity? We had another stupid 40 yard bomb on 3rd and 4 (how many of those have we converted now? ZERO) at the end of the first quarter. Then in the 2nd quarter we’ve got a 3rd and 3 and we run some sort of a sweep that gets 1 yard. In the 4th quarter, we face a 3rd and 1 on our own side, and run a idiotic reverse that loses 8 yards.
Then, the next time we face 3rd and 1, what do we do?
- 3-1-CHI 30 (7:02) 22-J.Jones left tackle to CHI 28 for 2 yards (38-D.Manning).
How about that? on 3rd and 1 you can actually get a first down by running off tackle (although I’d question running behind Frye (injured groin) and Wrotto on the left). Still, look at what happens on 3rd and one when you run the ball? How about letting Schmitt run it? Has the FB run with the ball yet this year?
I thought the play-calling was atrocious, and I did not understand why Wallace never ran the ball. The mid-zone coverage (as Farrar notes) was nonexistant.
Wallace missed a wide-open John Carlson again for a long gain, why doesn’t he get thrown under the bus?
Mora was way off, and looked like a jackass. I hope he learns from it and apologizes.
by lordtd on Sep 28, 2009 2:51 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
historical revisionism
I’m seeing a lot of comments to the effect that Holmgren never threw one of his players under the bus.
Sure he did. He just did it in a condescending, passive aggressive way. He’d call them “young pups” who still had a lot to learn, or something like that.
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Rubbish
You know what I mean, and Holmgren never did it. He never angrily said that one of his player’s performance was “unacceptable” and ranted on about it. He might have said things like “we need to make those plays” but he never singled out a single player like a kicker. In fact, I’m sure I heard him several times say that the only reason we were in a position that the kicks mattered was because we had screwed up earlier.
In fact, I’d say Holmgren went too far with it, often keeping players in the lineup long after I would have.
The other thing was that the kicks weren’t that far off. One of them looked good from where I sat, which was behind that post. Normally Mare makes those kicks, and was not far off yesterday from doing so.
by lordtd on Sep 28, 2009 5:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn't he also call out Pollard after the Packers playoff game?
Maybe it’s different if it’s the end of the year and the player will be a free agent.
by Mind of no mind on Sep 29, 2009 2:08 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not really.
He just said “The position had a tough day today.”
by bfl001 on Sep 29, 2009 3:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Pollard has horrible in that game
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 29, 2009 7:50 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
mora just said he made comments he regretted
..and there were alot of plays that cuased the loss, just as Brock predicted he’d say.
by paul2 on Sep 28, 2009 2:56 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Reading O'Neils tweets.
Glad to hear he backed off it. It definitely was uncalled for.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 2:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He's going to have to do better than "comments I regretted". You're on the clock, Coach.
by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2009 3:03 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, this is getting ridiculous
Can we put an end to this PC witch hunt and ever-escalating demand for apologies?
The team has bigger problems to address right now. Like coming up with a scheme to beat the Colts.
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nevertheless, it's up to the coaches and players to try to do exactly that
Not spend all their time in encounter sessions apologizing for something they said when emotions were running high.
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude
You’ve got nothing to post but negative comments and you’ve got no posting history past last week. If I was the suspicious type, I’d say you were a Niners fan trying to troll us.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 3:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Aside from the coffee part of the name
i’m pretty positive I saw almost the same moniker on a regular at NN.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:27 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We played the Niners last week
The account was started the Monday after. There’s a waiting period for commenting after joining FG.
I think it might be somebody that was banned from FG before and made a trolling account.
Mike Wahle(OG), Walter Jones(LT), Chris Spencer(C), Marcus Trufant(CB), Deion Branch(WR), Sean Locklear(OT), Brandon Mebane(DT), Leroy Hill(LB), Lofa Tatupu(LB), Josh Wilson(CB), Justin Griffith(FB), Matt Hasselbeck (QB)
by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes, he's pretty obviously a troll.
And a 40 year old one at that. Haha!
by redwolf75 on Sep 28, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I may stand alone, but I don't want an extended mea culpa
whatever defuses any locker room tension is OK with me. As long as he owned up to it.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What evidence is there of locker room tension as a result of Mora's comments?
Or is that just speculation?
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
No evidence
No speculation. Just, beyond his taking accountability, that’s all I’d want to happen, if necessary. No idea whether there’s anything or not.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I willing to forgive and forget if it was just one time.
Mora was clearly emotional and if hes sorry about it and doesn’t do it again, I think we can forgive.
by MFAN on Sep 28, 2009 3:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly why there shouldn't be post game interviews.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 4:17 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One can't change an event in a sequence and expect all future events to remain unchanged.
This is one of my biggest pet peeves, when people do just that. I’m not defending Mare or anything, just in general.
There ain't no turning back when our train is off its track, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash (watch it crash)
And there ain't no right and wrong when we know it won't be long, and there's nothing we can do but watch it crash
-Tomas Kalnoky/Streetlight Manifesto, Watch It Crash
by kentcheesehead on Sep 28, 2009 3:09 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Coutou would have made those kicks.
Well he would’ve.
by mrcoffee1969 on Sep 28, 2009 3:11 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This Coutou we're talking about
Bionic kicker from beyond the Moon.
by John Morgan on Sep 28, 2009 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He doesn't even kick.
Gets the ball through the uprights with ugly.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well said.
I was mad at Mare for missing those FGs, but when I heard what Mora said I was really surprised. I didn’t expect that kind of irrational anger out of the coach. I think a lot of people lost some respect for Mora today.
by Ocho on Sep 28, 2009 3:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm interested to read/hear the accountability quotes
that may well regain a lot of that respect.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you base your respect for a head coach on what he says in a post-game press conference
I think you’ve got your priorities messed up.
Bill Parcells, for example, wasn’t shy about ragging on his players and he’s considered one the best coaches in recent history.
Hint: It isn’t what they say or how nice they are (or aren’t). It’s whether they get their team to win.
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 3:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to get all Obama about it or anything
but the words matter.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I never really had respect for Jim Mora
I was hoping Bradley would turn out to be the next great D-coordinator. Not real happy he made such a horrible call on that Greg Olsen TD. I saw that TD coming. I think 90% of fans watching the game saw that TD coming. But Bradley left him completely uncovered or someone screwed up real bad on defense.
by ASeahawkfan on Sep 28, 2009 5:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good play call.
Redding fell down and was supposed to fall back into a zone.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think I ever want to see Redding in coverage
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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 7:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the 30 yard line? No I wouldn't want Redding on Olson, but on a play that close to the goal line it's not bad. Would of rather seen Tapp on him though.
by MFAN on Sep 28, 2009 7:49 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redding's got to be like the 3rd least mobile guys on the field
Olsen is one of Cutler’s top 3 targets. This isn’t a good idea.
I don’t have a problem per se with having a DE in coverage. I just think you want a more mobile DE doing it and probably in a less critical place.
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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ah
I missed Redding falling down. It was pretty irritating to see Olsen that open. I hope this defensive line can have a NYG like game against the Colts. That’s what we’re going to need to win.
by ASeahawkfan on Sep 30, 2009 8:28 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
In fairness to Mora
The tirade needs to be considered in the context of the question. He didn’t walk up to the podium and start whipping on Mare. He was asked if the wind effected the FG’s, and then if Mare’s job was on the line.
I agree that the whole thing was over the top, and he should’ve been more restrained in his comments. Picking on the Kicker is like picking on the small kid in school, it’s so easy that you don’t gain anything from it, and make your self look like a jackass for trying it. But I don’t want to compound his over-reaction by over-reacting about it.
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by jteckmann on Sep 28, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This is true.
Doesn’t absolve him of accountability, but it’s true. you’re right, shoulda been more restrained.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
He should have taken a page out of TO's book.
Seriously… TO was baited mercilessly and didn’t take the hook.
Now that being said, this is a much bigger deal to us than it is to the players, and I seriously doubt Mare would require of Mora a public apology. If my coach said something in the paper (if I had even bothered to read it) I wouldn’t have freaked out. It really isn’t that big a deal if it is an isolated issue. If this is the norm after every loss, then yes, we have a pretty significant issue.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 28, 2009 10:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
dannyoneil Tweet
Seahawks won’t be making any changes at kicker this week.
by jacobstevens on Sep 28, 2009 3:23 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
This kind of discussion entertains me
The first wave is approval, but we didn’t see too much of that here. Then there is criticism for Mora and eventually that goes too far. So then there is criticism of the criticism and discussion of what level of criticism is appropriate. That links into all kind of topics, like how Mora should handle a press conference, how his words affect the locker room, if he should apologize and should he apologize, if his apology was sufficient.
He got hot and said something in anger. Mora said it was a mistake. If Seattle doesn’t cut Mare or do anything else rash, I will be happy.
by John Morgan on Sep 28, 2009 3:24 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
ehhh
I actually in a way support what Jim Mora said. Cuz he is right. When you’re a kicker you gotta make those and could those 2 field goals change the outcome of the game? I don’t know. But Mare had to make those. Saying that I don’t think Mora should just bash on Mare. And John ur right. Coach Holmgren got the respect of players and media because he never went crazy in his press conferences. But Jim Mora will learn from his mistakes hopefully and learn to not just bash on a kicker.
by Seahawksfan23 on Sep 28, 2009 3:45 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I see a missed field goal as similar to throwing a dumb pick...
or a fumble on a punt return… or slamming into another defender in your panic to make a play, any play.
If he’s going to rip anyone, he should rip everyone equally.
Parcells ripped people and it usually made them not do it again.
Mare as a Saints kicker often seemed very spotty, made great ones, missed easy ones… I think if you have a kicker like that, you have a kicker like that, and if ripping him makes him focus more, well…
by Strictnine on Sep 28, 2009 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
This hasn't been said but...
Both his misses were to the open end of the stadium, which has never seen a kicker hit a 50+ yarder into it. Gould tried a (52 yarder?) to that end of the stadium and didn’t even get it to the goal post.
Mare’s kickoffs went to the back of the endzone on every kick to the other end of the field. His one to the open end was caught at about the 6 yard line.
Josh Brown used to say there was a swirling wind that isn’t detected by the flags on the goal posts on that end. Mare normally has a slight draw to his kicks and neither missed seem to come back which makes me believe there was some wind to that end of the stadium.
The 33 yarder should of been made but the 46 was no gimme.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 4:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Interesting
Something to watch for in this season’s remaining home games.
by Mr Fish on Sep 28, 2009 4:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That would certainly be mitigating
But just to be pendantic, the FGs were 34 and 43 yards (according to Eric Williams).
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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks - I wasn't sure on the exact distance.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 28, 2009 4:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Never heard this before but it's an interesting point, and could have some validity
I sat in the Hawks Nest for the first time at the St. Louis opener, near the top in the upper rows. Quite a hike to get up there! But still great seats actually. It was really hot that day, so at halftime we chilled out in the shaded area on the concrete steps at the North entrance, under/behind the Nest. It really did chill us out because there was a consistent, strong breeze down there. It’s possible that the combination of the local geography, downtown buildings and stadium design could be creating a north-south wind tunnel at that end. The gap between the concourse seating and the Hawks Nest might contribute to that as well.
by lemonverbena on Sep 28, 2009 6:18 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That is very interesting
This is the first season they’ve had the different flags for all the teams running down the sides of the Hawks’ Nest. The guy next to me at the game pointed out to me one time that the flags at the top of the goal posts and the top section of the Nest were relatively still, but the flags near the bottom were whipping around a bit.
Definitely something I’ll keep an eye on next game … my first impression when I saw those extra flags were that they were stupid, but now they might be kinda useful.
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by jteckmann on Sep 28, 2009 7:35 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
JM should have been ripping that idiot ref...
that overturned the Matt Forte fumble instead of Mare and everybody else. It would have been worth the fine.
by Mike from Stumptown on Sep 28, 2009 4:34 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. When is the post where WE can all rip on him?
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by Eegah on Sep 28, 2009 5:07 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I only heard the game on satelite radio
and we were stuck with the Bears feed while driving through Montana.
The Bears announcers said it was a fumble and they did not expect to get the ball back. That alone makes me displeased about the overturned outcome. It didn’t pass the “Madden Rule.” "If 3 guys in the bar say it is a fumble [catch] then it is a catch. Well, in this case two very bear-homerific announcers said it was a costly mistake they didn’t get overturned. That’s enough for me to say it shouldn’t have been overturned.
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by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 28, 2009 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The Refs have more camera angels then they show on TV for replays.
I personally thought he was down before the ball came out.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 29, 2009 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
What Mora did was stupid
I honestly never wanted Mora as our coach. I wanted Steve Spagnolo, but he supposedly wasn’t available.
Now we got Mora. So I just hope he can get this thing turned around. He’s dealing with a tough situation, but this isn’t how you deal with a tough situation.
Mora needs to get it through his head that he is going to have to deal with losses while he is playing a patchwork secondary on defense and a backup QB with a patchwork O-line offense. It’s the reality if our situation. The only thing that will save us from being knocked out of the playoff hunt is the other division teams playing badly until we get healthy.
by ASeahawkfan on Sep 28, 2009 5:07 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Suck it up.
Mike Holmgren will go down as the best press conference quote in Seattle history.
But seriously… its a press conference.
The coach answered a question honestly, minutes after a close loss in a game they shouldn’t have won, in the heat of the battle.
The only person on the planet who has any right to take offense to a grown man answering a question honestly about another grown man’s failure to excel at his job is the grown man who did fail to excel at his job.
Olindo Mare agrees with Jim Mora. He might not like the public forum in which the comments were made, but he definitely agrees with Mora. So does every position player on the team. The only way this divides the locker room is if the PC police decides it should.
by trippsixxes on Sep 28, 2009 5:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm sure Mare agrees that he should of made the kicks, I would expect him to. I'm not sure if he was a fan of how Mora said it.
“but he definitely agrees with Mora. So does every position player on the team.”
That is speculation, there is no way to know that.
by MFAN on Sep 28, 2009 5:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Of course its speculation... its opinion...
Do I really need to add “IMO” to every post?
One more example of a need to suck it up.
by trippsixxes on Sep 28, 2009 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is no less speculation...
than the excess of people speculating this can erode the locker room environment.
It happened, and it isn’t that big a deal, but maybe it can be edited into a “funny” lite beer commercial someday…
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by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 28, 2009 10:13 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, why we always gotta be arguing about kickers this time of year?
by B.B.Finnegan on Sep 28, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
It could be worse
we could be arguing about long snappers and which 8th string WR is the bestest.
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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 5:52 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Sep 28, 2009 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
And feeling heartbroken that previous kicker left us
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by ninjasocks on Sep 28, 2009 7:53 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
If anyone is interested this is Mora's follow up to yesterdays comments
“No, I don’t,” he said. "I’m glad you asked that question. No, I don’t. I have very high, high expectations for Olindo and it’s because of the work that he has done in this league. He has been an outstanding kicker and he has done a lot of great things for us. I think I let the emotion of the game get to me in my answers about Olindo.
“One of the things that confirms my feelings for Olindo Mare is the way he came out when we were down 16-17 and popped one through to give us the lead after having missed two.
“I feel strongly we’re all paid, it’s our job as professionals to make plays, to make correct decisions as coaches so at times you set the bar a little too high sometimes. His kickoffs were fabulous yesterday. Would I like him to make those two kicks? Yeah, but I wouldn’t like him to make them any more than he’d like to make ’em.”
Definitely something we can put behind us.
by Nate Dogg on Sep 28, 2009 5:43 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, that pretty much ends it
It’s also worth noting that the press gave Mora a whoopin’ for the comments.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Sep 28, 2009 7:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Where the hell has Nick Reed been the last couple of games?
Didn’t notice Tapp in the Bears game either.
by russak on Sep 28, 2009 10:28 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Has Reed even been active?
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by ninjasocks on Sep 29, 2009 7:51 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he was - He would of only been on ST.
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by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 29, 2009 7:39 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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