Are we done improving the team for 2009?!?
There is a very talented and young player out there who certainly seems worthy of a roster spot at SS if Lawyer Milloy is... Bernard Pollard, anyone?!?
I can't help but to look out there and see Bernard Pollard, a 24 year old 2 year starter at SS for the Chiefs. Now admittedly the Chiefs haven't been great, but he has managed 90-100 tackles a year in his two years as a starter and he was unceremoniously dropped from the roster come cut day.
I have heard there was something going on involving he and a defensive coach having a disagreement, but haven't heard any details. I just can't help wondering if a player like this (or any others) could be a welcome addition to our team while improving the overall talent.
Let's be honest, Lawyer Milloy is NOT the answer he is barely a stop-gap, and I think we all have a fear he will get the majority of the snaps at SS. Why not take a chance on an upside guy like Pollard instead of a downside guy like Milloy? Or even add both of them if that's what it takes to make the secondary maximized...
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Brian Russell got cut
We improved the team.
9/5/2009: The day the Seahawks cut Brian Russell and set off worldwide jubilation.
by SSreporters on Sep 7, 2009 6:05 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Babs is the new starting SS
Milloy is a depth guy that already knows the system.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Sep 7, 2009 6:20 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
That brings up another point...
being an ex-CB shouldn’t Babs project out as a better FS than an “in the box” SS, or will we basically eliminate the distinction and just have “LS/RS” Left/Right Safety or SS/WS Strong Safety/Weak Safety. I’m all for the creation of new positions and terminology, it means we’re on the forefront.
I’d certainly rather have that than be the 22nd team this year to switch to a 3-4, heheh.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 7, 2009 6:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The league is already over-full of 3-4 teams
It just isn’t sustainable from a personnel perspective.
It is superior to the 4-3 from a purely scheme standpoint if you have the Nose and the OLB’s to run it.
The more teams that switch the better. It further dilutes the available talent needed to successfully run the system, and frees up more 4-3 talent making it easier for us to improve our scheme and retain existing personnel.
As for Pollard, he’s got too many Ruskellesque red flags to be seriously considered. Watching what limited footage of him I could find his whole demeanor just didn’t fit the profile.
After going back and watching 4 games from last season (I <3 NFL Game Rewind) I was surprised at how often we brought Russel down from his FS position into the box, or would roll him in on motions etc… I don’t think we’ve carried a very strong distinction between the FS and SS since Hamlin left, but then again I could be wrong there.
The Bottom Line is that Babs is that our upgrade is Babs for Russel. Whomever we bring in for depth purposes is much less important than that distinction.
by timlin45 on Sep 8, 2009 9:02 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
The signing of Milloy leads me to believe that they will be looking at a SS in the first round of the '10 draft
If used correctly, Milloy will improve the defense, and the dude has a Super Bowl ring. His experience and leadership could mean a lot to a very young defense.
by Jo-Jo on Sep 7, 2009 7:29 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
you mean like how brian russell made the defense better?
mr. coach-on-the-field had experience and leadership, and don’t forget the grit. personally i don’t think the defense is lacking veteran leadership, it’s lacking a free safety with range and ball skills.
by bitterguy on Sep 7, 2009 7:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's bullshit compairison
Milloy has actually accomplished things in this league.
by Jo-Jo on Sep 7, 2009 8:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
Lawyer Milloy probably can’t be the cover guy he once was, but he will still knock the snot out of receivers when he hits them.
And I can’t wait to watch him go after the QB on a Safety Blitz. It will be night/day compared to Bwian Wussell.
by Stevo's on Sep 8, 2009 6:47 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not true -- it has one
he’s just been playing SS. Grant will move to FS, Babs will start next to him, and Milloy presumably will only play on running downs when they’re going to walk a safety up into the box.
by The Ancient Mariner on Sep 7, 2009 9:05 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's what Babineaux is for.
Milloy is both more successful than Russell and is not expected to start. These 2 distinctions make a big difference.
by Tyler Cox on Sep 8, 2009 3:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Russell made the defense better.
Say what you will about Russell’s cover skills, it’s true. Russell did however make the players on the defense around him better. He provided a much needed voice in the secondary.
I would say Babs, Trufant, Wilson and the younger CB’s (hobbs, Wallace) got wisdom from Russell.
I don’t think the hawks brought him in to be a deep cover guy anyway, seeing as how Russell’s strength’s were against the run. Besides, that is what our nickel and dime (josh Wilson, Jordan Babineaux) packages were for.
by durteehawk on Sep 10, 2009 2:00 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
That must be why he played so much as their deep cover-1 option
and got toasted deep so many times over the past two seasons.
Also, I’m pretty sure Trufant was a Pro-Bowler before Russell ever showed his face around here.
by Jo-Jo on Sep 10, 2009 2:25 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not sure I would ever use a first round draft choice on a S...
especially when drafting for a team that will need to use the 2010 offseason to find our Left Offensive Tackle of the future, our Quarterback of the future, and an upgrade at Running Back.
by Stevo's on Sep 8, 2009 6:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
It is a mistake..
to think of our safeties in such a rigid, binary fashion. We might say that Grant is moving to FS, or staying at SS, or whatever it is, but this is a real big simplification. We will do a lot of things that will defy the conventional in-the-box / out-of-the-box categorizations:
1. Blitz either safety
2. Put a 5th or 6th DB on the field
3. assign safeties to deep halves of the field
4. the list goes on..
If we want to think of Babineaux as going into some rigid role that doesn’t hide his weaknesses and feature his strengths then just think of Babineaux as taking over precisely Russell’s duties: running around like a chicken with his head cut off.
Babineaux has ball skills, can blitz, and can lay a hit that will appreciably strike fear into smaller receivers thinking of testing the waters in the middle of the field. For these reasons he will be a fun and effective player to watch even if he blows cover rather frequently.
However we look at, we are going to be using these guys A LOT:
Lucas, Wilson, Jennings, Grant, Babineaux. Expect these five guys to be on the field almost every snap until Trufant returns. I like our guys and do not think trading away a draft pick is worthwhile for a safety that MIGHT be better. If we can trade Reeds with Baltimore then I’m all for that.. but I don’t see the need to give a roster spot to some fringe guy who can’t earn a place on KC’s roster.
by michaelfox99 on Sep 8, 2009 9:06 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
He wasn't really a fringe guy...
he was a two year starter 2nd round draft pick still improving at 24 year old, and it was a shock to most KC fans that he was let go. It may have been a discipline thing or a cap thing, but regardless, it was pretty surprising.
And he was released— no need to trade a draft pick. I also think he’s a great signing as depth that perhaps proves out as a starter and by the end of the year you know if you HAVE to pick a safety (perhaps early) or at all. It does fit Ruskell’s strategy to fill “needs” prior to the draft then not HAVE to draft the need. Unfortunately he doesn’t fit the Ruskell thing because there are questions about him “off the field.”
This cut wasn’t 100% about “on the field” actions. We just don’t know what the off the field aspects are.
He’s similar to a young Milloy in a lot of ways, and could be a great long term investment, potentially gotten on the cheap who could learn from Lawyer and mature into a great player.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 8, 2009 9:44 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you take a narrow definition of fringe
He is a fringe player. Maybe in the aspects you myopically choose to focus on he is a blue chipper, but that is probably now how TR sees it. The FO probably knows more about the situation than we do, but let me espouse a general idea:
It is a fallacy to measure the potential of a safety as: “lets give a young John Lynch the same physical tools and early-on starting experience and estimate how good of a player he will be in a few years”. Character considerations are not exogenous. Being a quality NFL starter requires hard work and determination. The Seahawks will not be interested in a young, high upside guy with character red flags. We don’t know what the specific off-the-field incidents were, but usually if its bad enough for KC to get rid of him, its bad enough for the Seahawks to be uninterested.
by michaelfox99 on Sep 8, 2009 12:41 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
I'm not completely saying he is a "blue chipper" first off...
I’m saying he’s young and talented.
I just watched us play an old and untalented guy for a couple years. This guy, today, is a better player than ever was Mr. Grit. He also does have upside and is a proven NFL starter. Last I checked, it was okay to have a 24 year old with upside and talent on your roster.
In another thread I had a line in which I said instead of a “bend not break” defense, I want a defense that breaks the other team, or at least bends them into painful positions. I honestly believe the Hawks are building toward that in the Ruskell era, a team that punishes your offense and wins games there, with an offense that is just “okay” and not your team focal point. A 4-3 version of “Baltimore West.”
Hill and Curry, and even Tatupu are aspects of that. So is getting much larger and more physical with the front four. In my mind, a logical addition to that is a physically punishing SS-type to mix with fleeter CB’s and FS. Big Play Babs is a solid player, but I do believe he’s best as a super sub at all positions in the defensive backfield, not as a starter.
Pollard is that type of bruising player (Nickname Bonecrusher!) and fits my image of the future Seahawk defense, only without giving up a 1st round pick for Berry or Mays, like so many are espousing these days.
I’m not entirely sure how you can say, “the Seahawks will not be interested in a young, high upside guy with character flags” while you also call said “high upside guy” a fringe player. Seems contradictory.
I also rail against the “character red flags” aspect of things as he does not seem a loose cannon, but more an intelligent and headstrong guy. Those types can “be saved” and have true value, particularly when the purchase price is cheap, and the risk minimal compared to the reward. Not only that, but he appeared a positive influence in the locker room on Hard Knocks. Also, it’s funny how a guy can be labeled. Chike Okeafor was a character/problem child here, and a stable veteran leader/influence in Arizona. He’s still entrenched there and has been gone from here for a long time. So I’m a little less inclined to just chalk a guy up as dead and done. There are so many examples too, where a change of scenery and an opportunity go a long way.
If “it’s bad enough for KC to get rid of him, it’s bad enough for the Seahawks to be uninterested” then I guess we should never sign ANY player that leaves another team or is released.
For the record, I also heard on a KC site that the release had cap issues tied to it, and it wasn’t attitude. Bottom line, the release was a head-scratcher to a lot of people, and the guy is more than a fringe talent, and would be worthy of a longer look and investigation by the coaching staff/front office.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 8, 2009 3:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more thing...
he just reeks of a NE type signing, and suddenly those character issues become minor and he just “needed a change of scenery to develop and blossom.”
I don’t think they will sign him (mainly because they’ve drafted one and signed another in the past couple years so they are already young and talented at SS) but it just seems like the type of move they would make and everyone would call “genius.”
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 8, 2009 3:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Do you know what you're talking about?
Do you ever listen to yourself talk when you open your mouth Whiskey Chainsaw? probably not with a name like that and a quote of Jake Locker for Heisman 2010. Look the reason why they signed this guy is because of 2 two reasons one He’s a proven leader on the filed, 2 because he’s better than russell at the very least run stopping. I’ll even throw in a third reason, his leadership and his skills will prove to be a usual addition to our young defense that needs all the help and leadership they can get after the loss of Julian Peterson. Sometime you should just close your mouth before you open it.
by Cedric Odom on Sep 8, 2009 3:47 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Hm...
Sometime [sic] you should just close your mouth before you open it.
Seems like someone should take their own advice.
No need to be rude CO, Whiskey made his point, and he did it in a logical and reasonable manner without disrespecting anyone else or jumping to conclusions. Sure Milloy brings a veteran presence, but it’s beyond argument that he is nearing the end of his shelf life, and it’s certainly within reason to want to bring in a 2 year starter that is only 24 to help shore up a weak secondary. With our defense the way it is, it seems there is more of an emphasis on being a versatile safety. Also, with Kerney, Grant, Lofa, and others on defense, I’m not sure if we need more leaders (and this is with your assumption that leaders need experience, though Lofa was considered the leader of our defense in his 2nd year, and Patrick Willis is probably considered the leader of his defense right now as well).
by LantermanC on Sep 8, 2009 3:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Cedric..
I’m not sure where the insult comes in, but allow me to retort.
Heisman 2010 is NEXT season, not this season. Jake just made an early “Darkhorse” Heisman list… for THIS YEAR. So I would say he is quite a valid choice for Heisman, as much as anyone is, if he continues to grow and develop, during his senior year.
My name, in case you were wondering, was created to honor my father and my step-father. My father was a logger in Onalaska WA, and my step-dad owned a great tavern in Lacey WA, Lucky’s Tavern. Admittedly it only served beer, but Beer Chainsaw just didn’t have the same ring. Also, my highschool mascot was the Logger as well, and I grew up earning summer money with a chainsaw and axe. Pardon my sweat and respect for a proud industry.
Now let me ask, are you referring to Lawyer Milloy when you are referencing a signing? He must be real good in those cabinets, to impact all the files and prove his leadership. I’ll look for him under “G” for Grit, 2009 edition. I know, that was cheap and easy, but you did misspell field while insulting my personage, so I feel I can be a bit petty this particular occasion.
I am not discounting Lawyer being better at run stopping that Russell. Never was. However, he is NOT YOUNG. Once upon a time, I played basketball with and against Lawyer. And he was older than I was then! I was suggesting that quite likely Pollard is better than Lawyer TODAY and with the potential to be better long term as well. Lawyer had a difficult year last year, particularly looking bad in the playoffs, and he is very much on his last fumes. I don’t even see how you can disagree that he might just be too old to do the job well anymore.
I’m also not altogether sure that Julian Peterson was a leader whose leadership skills needed replacing in any way shape or form. I have a haunting suspicion that he was more a freestyler than a leader, unless “I’ll do my thing and you guys fill in the rest” is leadership…
By the way, is your third reason any different than your first reason? In the dictionary under redundant, it says, “See redundant.”
I think we have enough leaders on this team where we don’t need to sign a player because of his leadership skills. Lofa, Hill, Tru, Redding and Kearney all are likely leaders in one way or another. Signing a guy simply for leadership reasons is problematic at best. So then it comes down to run stopping skills, if that is the only reason remaining to sign a satety. And I think Pollard is better than Milloy, if not as highly recognized for past deeds. Plus, again, he’s 24, not 36.
Finally, I’m just curious, how can you be so in favor of UW love for Milloy and so rampantly opposed to UW love of Locker? Seems somewhat contradictory.
Oh, but, finally, thanks for the insults, nice to see rude never goes out of style.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 8, 2009 4:08 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok
Whatever man, enjoy the insults. Pollard is not worth our time you want to talk about problematic, this kid is one. he was cut because of his attudude towards his coach. Do you really want another player who has problems with a coach (don’t have one at the moment). I am not a fan of Locker because I don’t like UW. I’m WSU cougar all the way Red and Silver. I respect Milloy because of what he has done in his career. I am in no shape or form a fan of the the Huskies.
Ok so my third reason isn’t any different than my first I can admit that, I could of come up with a better one than that but oh well, it’s just a sports blog.
I also remember reading if I’m correct Lawyer won’t be a starter because it’s going to be Jordan (I can’t spell his last name). But whatever this is a waste of time. no point in defending my points when people can’t just read.
by Cedric Odom on Sep 8, 2009 5:30 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow
Please refrain from insulting everyone on this blog. When you read other people’s comments you’ll see that they are respectful and try to be factual. At the very least respectful. Let’s keep it that way.
by StonerHawks on Sep 8, 2009 5:58 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your profile says that you are a Husky fan.
Also it says
I am one of the Biggest fans of the Seahawks, Mariners and former Sonics.. I love Seattle and I LOVE FOOTBALL! BABY!
Seems kind of odd that one of the Seahawks’ biggest fans can’t spell Babineaux.
Also odd that someone would say something like “I could of [sic] come up with a better one that that but oh well, it’s just a sports blog” then go on to say “no point in defending my points when people can’t just read.” So your counter points were 1) all problematic kids (one coach’s opinion) are not worth it 2) You don’t like Locker because of his school, and 3) A guy who is past his prime should be respected and given the opportunity to play because of his past achievements and 4) A repeated reason that is dismissed because what you write on here doesn’t matter.
As for Pollard being problematic. Sure, but so far it’s only been one or two coaches that have had a problem with him. The league is full of guys who can play who have had problems with their coaching staff.
Also weird that you would say something like "whatever man, enjoy the insults.’ and then blast Pollard for his attitude. You seem to love contradicting yourself.
by LantermanC on Sep 8, 2009 6:04 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
profile?
Oh you refering to the fact that I keep an eye on them. Am I not allowed to do that? how about you just stfu. Can’t you read sarcasm? I guess not. You went through the trouble of looking at my profile good for you. You got anything else you want to say?
Why should it matter that I can’t spell his name? oh wow I can’t sepll one guys name.. oh man my world is going to come crashing down. Oh man you tore in to my self esteem you’re hurting me oh man. Shut your hole, I never said locker shouldn’t get the chance to play, I just don’t like him. I have my reasons and none of them are football reasons. So just shut your hole and go do something with yourself.
by Cedric Odom on Sep 8, 2009 6:32 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey dude
Everybody’s welcome here, but you’ve got to be respectful. It doesn’t matter if your spelling isn’t perfect, but you can’t be telling people to “STFU” or insulting people.
Brett Favre is the Kenny Powers of football.
by ninjasocks on Sep 8, 2009 7:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You can read Sarcasm?
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 11, 2009 2:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't know if you are still around, but actually, there's new information here I'm interested in...
If “I just don’t like Locker. I have my reasons and none of them are football reasons” I’m actually quite curious.
All I’ve heard is he is a pretty classy guy. I know we don’t get the full story, but perhaps you could elaborate if you have some legitimate reason for disliking the guy.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 11, 2009 4:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I can speak from firsthand experience that he is a very nice guy.
NEEDS MORE FREEDOM!
by Scruffy Lefty on Sep 11, 2009 4:48 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are not "WSU cougar all the way"
because if you were you would not refere to them as “Red and Silver.”
by Jo-Jo on Sep 9, 2009 12:23 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm as guilty as anyone but I think we should do this, unless it pertains to Whiskey's original topic.

by LantermanC on Sep 9, 2009 12:43 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
I usually don’t, but as a Coug, that really pissed me off.
by Jo-Jo on Sep 10, 2009 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Considering the way he initially went after me...
lacking reason and logic, but loaded to the gills with insults and grammatically incorrect personal attacks, I thought I handled it quite well.
Maybe I’m finally mellowing and maturing with age.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 10, 2009 2:57 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I personally handled it poorly, and I apologize.
by LantermanC on Sep 10, 2009 3:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Naw...
I think only one person handled things poorly, and it wasn’t you or me. :)
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 10, 2009 3:59 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can someone explain to me why we are so worried about Milloy?
What exactly did Milloy do to make everyone so reticent about him being here? Besides being too old?
I’m looking at his stats and they seem very good. He is a tackling machine, seems average to above average for a safety in pass defense, and has proven durable.
I’m not seeing the red flags. It looks to me like we upgraded our safety position with a better veteran player that should bring everything Russell brought along with better physical ability.
Is Milloy’s inability to slow down Fitzgerald the primary reason we fear him in coverage? I hope that isn’t it because no one slowed down Fitzgerald in the playoffs last year. Atlanta did the best job of stopping Fitzgerald in terms of yards.
I’m not seeing the red flags with the Milloy signing. Atlanta’s defense was weak all around and Milloy was one of the better components in that defense. I think Milloy fits pretty well in this defense.
I’m not sure why we didn’t sign Pollard. I imagine Pollard might be looking for a longer term contract than Milloy and Ruskell may not want to commit to a long-term deal with Pollard. I’m sure safety is one of the positions we will target next year in the draft.
by ASeahawkfan on Sep 8, 2009 6:13 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Personally, me neither. I do not see what is so bad about having him here.
Of course, I’d rather the Seahawks had gotten someone younger. But if we’re going to go with Milloy, I’d rather the Seahawks got him much sooner, rather than wait until the preseason is over. That said, I do not complain that he’s on the roster.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Sep 9, 2009 8:11 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not...
100% against Milloy. But there is a long history of seeing former heroes signed at the tail end of their careers and having them not perform to a level needed. All things being equal, I’d rather have a young guy than a very old guy, and Pollard is a young guy with some talent, if yet not harnessed.
I’d even be cool with BOTH of them on the roster, though that would mean some action on the DL, and I would rather have the DL depth.
Oh, one more thing on the “attitude problem” that some are defining Pollard as— Michael Bennett has been classified as such as well, was an undrafted free agent, and still we’re giving him a chance. Interesting.
Mancrushed. Jake Locker for Heisman 2010.
by whiskey chainsaw on Sep 9, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think a lot of people are in this boat.
Milloy, I’m fine as having as a backup, and fine with him being on the field for a decent amount of time, but why not take a look at a young guy who has some experience and by all accounts was not a bad player? I’m not sure about CJ Wallace personally. It stings to say this since he’s a former Husky, but I wouldn’t mind cutting him for Pollard, though I imagine Pollard would want significant playing time, which is something we can’t promise with Babs and Grant starting and Milloy backing them up.
by LantermanC on Sep 9, 2009 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
LT Langston Walker..........
would be a good pick up to help while Walt is out.
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/football/nfl/09/08/bills.ap/index.html
by Hawkmain on Sep 8, 2009 6:16 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Walker was cut outright from the Bills
because he gained a reputation for being lazy. They cut him outright and didn’t even want him on their team for depth. We have better depth at OT already.
by Stevo's on Sep 8, 2009 6:50 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
We don't want Pollard
because we’ve had too many average Safeties on our team over the past couple of years and Pollard would be just one more.
If we wanted Pollard it would be to replace CJ Wallace. Wallace is developing and is being given the chance to prove himself now, similar to how Babs proved himself and now is getting his chance to start. Milloy is being brought in to provide hard hitting veteran savvy that few others could bring. And Grant is just plain solid.
Unless you really think Pollard could learn our defense very quickly AND has greater upside than Wallace, we don’t need him. I think Milloy can do a great job this year, and we can shop for a safety in the 2nd or 3rd round of the draft in 2010.
by Stevo's on Sep 8, 2009 6:57 PM PDT reply actions 0 recs
Squashed that
Ok wow, from what I had seen of Langston he was a soild LT but I did read the post basically they cut him for lazyness (just finished reading it) you’ll have to read between the lines. And that video just shows how lazy he was in that game. Could it be that maybe he wanted out of Buffalo? I mean perhaps that was his way of getting out. It’s not like Buffalo is a contender this year.
by Cedric Odom on Sep 8, 2009 7:30 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
being lazy= wanting out of buffalo
Unless our Brandon Marshall, you don’t just be lazy because you want out of somewhere. No pro does that, especially in games. Even Marshall PLAYS AT100% when it comes down to game time. Lagnston was just being Lazy period.
by durteehawk on Sep 10, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
correction
Unless “your” Brandon Marshall
by durteehawk on Sep 10, 2009 2:16 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't think Wallace is a very good comparison to Babs.
From the start Babs was given playing time on defense, while Wallace seems to be seen as only having ST value.
by redwolf75 on Sep 9, 2009 10:32 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs

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