Brandon Marshall Out for Broncos with "Slight" Hamstring Pull
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 12:03 PM PST
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Herr McDaniels shall lead his troops over the Urals and into Stalingrad without his heavy guns. That's right, the Little Fuhrer that Could has completed his masterstroke of a season by benching Brandon Marshall for malingering. In review: Alienate and trade franchise quarterback, ride Mike Nolan's defense to an 8-7 record, and, in the pivotal game of the season, bench your best player and insinuate he's soft and unwilling to play through pain.
Bravo.
McGenius is another proud double agent ruining the NFL for his dark master. Hold on Broncos fans, I've read this book. 2009's foreshadowing of starvation, ruination and eventual canibalism leads not to starvation, ruination and canibalism, but, in a twist, to feasting on worm addled corpses and quarantine in the NFL's sewer system. Good teams are despised. Whatever the Broncos are becoming, pitied.
Hope Alphonso Smith was worth C.J. Spiller, McGenius.
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Boy it's going to be fun to watch Denver become the Kansas City Royals of the NFL.
Trust the process, bitches.
by BrianL on Jan 1, 2010 12:15 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Even the Royals don't go out of their way to alienate their best player and commit character assassination on him
by Gihyou on Jan 1, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
They rescued Grienke from anxiety and helped him become the best pitcher in baseball. Anxiety, pffft, sissy.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
McDaniels would make Grienke cry, his perverse joy increasing with each tear
Then, once Grienke becomes so depressed he can no longer play, McDaniels questions his commitment to baseball, his masculinity, his virility, and his penis size.
by Gihyou on Jan 1, 2010 1:38 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
"Character assassination"
Beautiful, just beautiful.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 1, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He's flashing a couple of zeroes in that pic.
That’s the number of wins that I was hoping that the Broncos would have.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 1, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
I blame my brain and my brain blames the alcohol.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The cause of, and solution to, all of life's problems.
In your defense, it works well either way.
by thebyron on Jan 2, 2010 11:56 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
All that's left is Orton to twist his ankle and have Chris Simms play.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
by SSreporters on Jan 1, 2010 12:49 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Wait, was Brandon Marshall locked in a storage shed to receive treatment for his hammy???
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 1, 2010 12:50 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Sadly, they'll probably still win
KC is very, very bad.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 1, 2010 1:46 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Interesting thought
Sando wrote up a trade scenario that puts Marshall is Seattle.
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 1:54 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
IN seattle
He isn’t Seattle yet
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 1:55 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
IMO Marshall is a top 5 WR talent, when he’s on the field.
I may be ignorant, but I don’t make too much of his off field issues and team distractions; he performs on the field and I haven’t heard that he’s a bad teammate from his actual teammates. So the question to me becomes, is he worth the 21st overall pick, …to the 2010 Seahawks.
We have so many other needs that a second first round pick would really help us with, and as has been mentioned several times already, we lack a QB that could get him the ball consistently. But talent like his is not easily obtained. I think it’s worth considering if we could sign him to a reasonable long term contract ahead of time.
Finding someone to take Branch and his contract is just a bonus.
by zscratch on Jan 1, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Now while I would LOVE to have him.
Let’s build the fucking O-line and get a QB of the future.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 1, 2010 2:05 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
And I absolutely refuse to listen to any scenario where the Seahawks give BACK Denver their original pick.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 1, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
Buuut to get a proven big play maker nearing the prime of his career while dumping Branch and picking up a later round pick wouldn’t be the worst thing
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:11 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall is a free agent in 2010.
Was the trade scenario from earlier in the year?
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was posted today
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest.
I believe that Sando is working under the possibility that a new CBA is not reached and Marshall becomes a restricted free agent.
by zscratch on Jan 1, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Seems like a queer move for Denver to make.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Their relationship with Marshal seems beyond repair
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That's where they were in training camp
Seems strange to take a draft pick and a broken down, redundant receiver (Royal fills the Branch/Welker role) for a top-ten receiver you’re paying 3 mil.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:28 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Pride.
‘I don’t need him to win’ mentality from McDaniels…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 1, 2010 2:57 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Desperation.
If Marshall becomes an unrestricted free agent, I think he’s as good as gone and Denver gets nothing. If he becomes a restricted free agent, Denver should probably be looking to trade him and recoup a pick. That being said, I think they could get more from someone else with a greater need, Baltimore comes to mind.
by zscratch on Jan 1, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The Bears
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 1, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Piece away teams makes more sense
I will say that I’m sure Sando knows what he’s talking about and the scenario is plausible and perhaps even verified by an unnamed source, but I sincerely hope Seattle does not make this trade. Love Marshall, but Seattle needs three pieces minimum before it’s even sniffing the playoffs.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Trading for Marshall seems like a big picture move to me
He’s only 26 years old. His prime would coincide with the longest of rebuilding plans.
by Culter on Jan 1, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would consider him a cornerstone talent if I was convinced he wouldn't shoot himself in the leg.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Literally?
I know what you mean. I’m sure Mcdanials is somewhat to blame but there would certainly be questionmarks about his character. And not just in a picky, Ruskell-type way
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 4:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
That video of him dropkicking a ball in practice was perspective changing.
I am ok with the questionable character types, the unpopular, the outcast, but Marshall seems to have authority issues. Major, Mora cannot cope with, Authority issues.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Of course
McDaniels, McDaniels, McDaniels. I guess I would need to explore the matter more to know.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He was a trouble maker off of the field under Shanahan
but I think he basically did as he was told under Mike. Then again Shanahan is a hall of fame coach and Mora is a hall of shame coach…
In the unlikely event we did trade for Marshall, we’d just have to hope that the new GM has already given Mora his walking papers.
by Culter on Jan 1, 2010 4:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That's always the catch though.
Cornerstone talent isn’t available via trades/free agency unless they carry a serious risk.
The Vikings wouldn’t have Jared Allen right now if he had a taxi service on speed dial in his kansas city days.
by Culter on Jan 1, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Good point
Although Allens problems were strictly off-field, weren’t they?
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 4:37 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
The same can probably be said of Marshall.
I don’ think he butted heads much with Shanahan.
It was only after the Broncos fired his offensive guru head coach, traded away his pro bowl QB, refused to give him a new deal, and made Orton his contract year QB that he became a cancer.
And I’m not excusing Marshall’s behavior. I just think it’s worth noting that a perfect storm of off-season drama hit the Broncos before he became a problem on the field.
by Culter on Jan 1, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Marshall is Marshall.
Filed under legal trouble:
According to Orlando-Orange County public records (case 48-2004-MM-012392-O), on Halloween 2004, while a student at UCF, Marshall was arrested in Orlando on charges of assault on a law enforcement officer, refusal to obey, disorderly conduct and resisting an officer.50
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 5:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
As far as risk goes, the WR position probably isn't important enough
to sell your soul for.
But I wouldn’t even blink if we were talking about acquiring a tier 1 QB, DE, or LT with Marshall’s baggage.
by Culter on Jan 1, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brandon's problems aren't with McD, exclusively anyways (IMO)
The way I see it, it’s more of a contract thing with the organization. This most recent escapade seems like a result of what happened a year ago, when Marshall played through a hip injury after being cleared by Shanny and Co. He’s probably wary of playing through injury again when he’s that much closer to a payday, since he ended up having surgery on that hip.
It’s hard to give him the benefit of the doubt in terms of whether he was “dogging it” or not this week.
By all accounts BM had a great relationship with McDaniels throughout the season. He made sure it was portrayed that way, at least.
by WABronco on Jan 1, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed, if we spend big money on a FA, it cannot be at WR
QB, OT, OG, DE… I wouldn’t mind seeing us spend a little at any of these positions.
But WR? We just watched our GM spend big on two “can’t miss WRs” in the past four years. We should save the big $ for the next Walter Jones or the next Matt Hasselbeck, or just be smart and patient and build through the draft.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
by Stevo's on Jan 2, 2010 12:56 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I remember Housh.. who was the other?1?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 2, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Baltimore and the Bears would BOTH be GREAT fits.
Miami also comes to mind. Henne to Marshall would be a great combo.
Maybe Cincy or Pittsburgh in a power move??
Jacksonville possibly?
I suppose you can never eliminate Washington from making a big flashy move…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 1, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I would think any team would be a great fit...
…for a player like Marshall.
Though the rumored trade return demands for Marshall the last time shit hit the fan were pretty exorbitant. David Harris and a couple high picks is a fairly steep price, seemingly, for any player.
by WABronco on Jan 1, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
With what trading ammo?
The Bears had better hope he’s UFA.
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 1, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Playmakers are worthless if your QB can't get the ball to them.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 1, 2010 2:20 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That seems like a chicken or the egg scenario
Whoever our qb is next year doesn’t have a whole lot to work with
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Carlson, Housh, Jones and Forsett are above average receivers for their positions.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:26 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
That sounds awfully bunched up
Within 10 yards of the line of scrimmage
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
And Marshall isn't fast
He’s a position receiver that bullies for space and throws off DBs after the catch.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
He still would command much more attention than any of our current recievers
If everyone likes our current recieving corps then I’ll stop arguing.
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:33 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
This is a mis-communication
I am not arguing it would be a bad trade for Seattle, only that it doesn’t make season for either team.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
True
And if they were going to trade him you would think it would have been in the preseason
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:38 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to see Branch having much trade value
Hard to see Branch not being cut outright.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
If there was any doubt
His rant on KJR had to be the icing on the proverbial cake
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 2:50 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Cake needs to be used in more proverbs
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 1, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
C'mon. Now you just want to have your cake and eat it too, eh?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 1, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I listened to 710 while I was in the Seattle area
I like Brock and Salk, but must ever sports radio show include a squabbling with the callers segment?
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
The call-in segment must be done away with
It’s painful to hear the tone of voice and uninformed opinions that 99% of the callers have. I was asked to be on Furness’ show and couldn’t see why anyone would want to hear me speak on the radio.
by Big E-Z on Jan 1, 2010 4:06 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
What he said.
But seriously – our receiving corps should be quite friendly to whomever is our next QB.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 1, 2010 2:31 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Without Marshall, I meant.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 1, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Thank you.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Jan 1, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No.
I’m tired of our WRs being castoffs from other teams.
I want Seahawks.
by DetectiveM on Jan 1, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Consider that Mike Nolan couldn't ride Mike Nolan's defense to an 8-7 record
When he was with the 49ers. Maybe the McFuher has something to do with it….or God(s) didn’t want the Seahawks to have a 2nd high draft pick, and felt content to let us suffer some more.
by J.L. White on Jan 1, 2010 7:59 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Nolan is a proven coordinator and a failed coach
Not an uncommon type.
by John Morgan on Jan 1, 2010 9:35 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It's hard to remember that these days
considering how many head coaches never had been coordinators before. I’m sure Nolan is much better suited to his present role; having Elvis Dumervil around helps too, I bet.
by J.L. White on Jan 2, 2010 10:11 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I want Dumervil in Seahawks blue next year
Sam Bradford, future Seattle Seahawk.
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 10:13 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
No thx
He seems like one of those “rright place right time” players, a la matt cassell et al. Players that benefit for scheme and surrounding talent.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 2, 2010 5:13 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
He seems to me the type of player that was good, and broke out of his own accord.
Top 10 talent that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Sam Bradford.
Mid-first to 2nd round talent that I covet:
Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, and Earl Thomas.
4th round and beyond:
Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Having Housh and Marshall as our starting recievers
Putting any new QB into a situation like that is part of a formula for success.
by SPENCEMAN on Jan 2, 2010 6:50 AM PST reply actions 0 recs
Housh and Marshall's skill-sets are similar save for Marshall's big-play ability.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Jan 2, 2010 9:52 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
So are Fitzgerald and Boldin's.
I don’t think there’s a problem having two of those guys… not that it is the best way to spend our current resources, but it is a workable concept having two big strong overpowering type WR’s together.
San Diego’s current WR’s are HUGE as well…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 2, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I almost added the Fitz/Boldin parallel in my response above, but my thoughts were that
Boldin outclasses Housh as a play-maker, even though his health is a concern. Fitz and Marshall are similar in a lot of respects, though.
I do like the idea of huge WRs like SD. I was curious about Floyd when he was unsigned. John shot down the discussion, maybe only due to him having a collapsed lung at the time.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Jan 2, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Eddie Royal's out too...weeeeee
I fucking hate you Mariners
by kentroyals5 on Jan 2, 2010 12:25 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit, 2010 is looking awesome.
by aerozeppelin on Jan 2, 2010 1:37 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
I'm too hesitant to even come close to saying that.
Too many uncertainties this coming offseason for me to even try and say what next season might look like. But If the Broncos lose, I’ll really like the Seahawks’ draft positioning much, much more.
Top 10 talent that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Sam Bradford.
Mid-first to 2nd round talent that I covet:
Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, and Earl Thomas.
4th round and beyond:
Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 1:53 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
This is more likely, I think, but you never know.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
by Misfit74 on Jan 2, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Well that, too.
But I’d want them to lose anyway.
Top 10 talent that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Sam Bradford.
Mid-first to 2nd round talent that I covet:
Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, and Earl Thomas.
4th round and beyond:
Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Rofl so true.
The demise of the Broncos in '09 is our future. Pray hard.
by Nick Andron on Jan 2, 2010 5:14 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
There's a word in German (appropriately enough)
that means (rougly) “a face in need of a fist.” That word is “backpfeifengesicht.” It always pops into my head when I see the UPS whiteboard commercials. The Irish-American translation is probably “McDaniels.”
by thebyron on Jan 2, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
You, my friend, have made my young day.
Backpfeifengesicht.
by John Morgan on Jan 3, 2010 12:38 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Brilliant!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 3, 2010 7:29 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Jesus, Germans have a word for everything.
by aerozeppelin on Jan 3, 2010 1:59 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Bier is my favorite German word.
Ein bier, bitte!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by whiskey chainsaw on Jan 3, 2010 7:30 AM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Off topic
But has anyone liked what they have seen out of the QBs in the bowl games so far? It seems that most of the guys that have been thought of as potential picks have not looked good. Except for Tebow, but numbers can be misleading when you go against Cinncinati’s D.
by Big E-Z on Jan 2, 2010 3:20 PM PST via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Hard to get a read on Pike
with Florida treating his o-line like a pinata
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Jan 2, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
It was only one game
But I felt that there was a lot of reasons not to want Pike as the future of the Hawks.
by Big E-Z on Jan 2, 2010 4:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
I tried to remember what Florida did to Oklahoma's line last year...
But then I remembered: Concerning the pro level, Pike isn’t all that good to begin with.
Top 10 talent that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Sam Bradford.
Mid-first to 2nd round talent that I covet:
Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, and Earl Thomas.
4th round and beyond:
Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
Chicken vs. Egg, WR vs. QB
I think that a passing offense should always put a QB first. I don’t disregard the importance of having capable receivers, but I think they are less likely to make a QB look better than vice versa.
Maybe the data proves me wrong, but it seems like elite WRs have their worst statistical seasons when they play for lesser QBs. WR seems to be the position with a much tighter gap between top-middle-bottom talent then QB or offensive line.
by Michael Scott on Jan 2, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions 0 recs
Consider that McNabb had his best statistical season when Terrell Owens was playing with him.
I know Plaxico Burress made Eli Manning look better than he really was during his first few years in the league with some of his more wilder high throws that other receivers would have not caught due to his height and reach.
It’s really hard to quantify that elite wide receivers make some quarterbacks better less often than elite quarterbacks make some wide receivers better. I think it’s true in both cases, just a matter situation, personnel, and perhaps scheme.
Top 10 talent that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, and Sam Bradford.
Mid-first to 2nd round talent that I covet:
Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, and Earl Thomas.
4th round and beyond:
Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 2, 2010 9:04 PM PST up reply actions 0 recs
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