GM: It's down to Reese and someone else
Eric Williams links to an NFL Network report claiming that Seattle's GM search is down to two candidates, one of whom is former Titans GM Floyd Reese. The other candidate is not mentioned by name. A final decision is expected this weekend.
I am somewhat indifferent towards Reese, but can certainly see the appeal of a "veteran" front office executive who has had a similar working relationship with a head coach.
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Sounds like it's going to be Reese
Not too wild about that. Carroll may not be Head Coach and President, but he certainly seems like the man in charge.
That's the most straighforward interpretation if it's Reese
The other thing I’m thinking of is—assuming that Ross is the other guy (a BIG assumption)—that Leiweke may not want to pair Carroll with a first-time GM.
I don’t think that’s particularly good reasoning if true, but it sounds like a standard “executive” decision that weights status and personality.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Screw it.
Until things stabilize in Seahawks country, it’s my duty to cover this as best as I can. Reese write up to come.
It will probably be a moot point by the time you're done.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 14, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
It already is debatable.
by DJ C-Raig on Jan 14, 2010 3:28 PM PST via mobile up reply actions 1 recs
Nice!
After reading the article on Resse from Dave Boling, I have high hopes for what your write up will reveal.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 14, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
As long as mystery man #2 isn't Pat Kirwan, I can wrap my mind around the process.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 14, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions
I figures it was KHAN!
If it is Kirwan, which I doubt…I don’t know. It’ll be hard to stomach.
by DJ C-Raig on Jan 14, 2010 3:27 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
I think Khan is strictly a capologist and negotiator
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Which still might mean he would be more influential than Reese
considering his recent stint in New England seemed like a paid retirement.
I'm hopeful it was Marc Ross.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 14, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
As was I
I think he and Carroll would be boss. A super smart young guy that knows how to check his ego and others, but not offend; and a wise coach that manages personalities and knows football: That’s what I wanted.
The scuttlebutt on Kirwan...
from this report (and other stuff I read—no link) is that if he comes it will be as some sort of assistant. It won’t be a powerful role.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
No worries.
Kirwan was never scheduled to interview for the GM position.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 14, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions
I read somewhere that the 2nd is Schneider... but it was just a comment.
Not sure where he got the info, but I like what I’ve heard of Schneider
We definitely went a notch down in our serach. From DeCosta to Ross to Heckert to Reese.
Reese seems okay with finding first round talent and was good with the Titans but this just seems like a “meh” hiring.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Given enough picks
every general manager will seem ok with finding first round talent. A monkey with a dartboard could find first round talent.
So you're saying Matt Millen is worse than a monkey at finding talent?
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Are you stupider than a monkey?
“Uh…how big of a monkey?”
Well, you've got to be smarter than your average bear to find first round talent.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Yes, but the picks that I thought were most interesting
Were Roos from eastern Washington and finnegan from Stanford. Both young pro bowlers outside the first round. Hard to say if fisher or Reese made those picks, but I wouldn’t be upset with reese as the gm.
by quickhandsandfeet on Jan 14, 2010 4:23 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Reese and Fisher didn't get along
from all indications it was a personal conflict where they were looking to be alpha and part of that was not having defined roles. I think Reese would be hired with Carroll’s blessing which is smart to have a good mix.
He does have a good record as far as drafting and cap management go. Tennessee had some good runs in the early part of the decade.
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 5:30 PM PST up reply actions
Part of the reason Tennesse was so bad from 04-06 was a big cap crunch
They were forced to cut a bunch of players. Maybe that was part of the plan, to make a huge push with a veteran team and then completely tear it down and rebuild for a few years, but everything I’ve heard is it was a big part of the reason he’s not still with the Titans.
That's one thing about AJ Smith.
I sitll think he’s a shrewd personnel guy but part of the Chargers’ success came from the luck of having the top pick in two of the three drafts where the top pick was the most desirable in the past 10 years. And trading down, not just trading down, but getting bounties. And not just getting bounties, but within the same year, when the talent happened to be rich.
I’m sure a lesser GM could have still screwed the pooch given those resources. And he made the trades (or did he? Was he the guy in 2001?). But nonetheless, given enough picks, you stand a very good chance of rising above your peers.
by jacobstevens on Jan 14, 2010 4:30 PM PST up reply actions
Ruskell couldn't hit the dartboard.
Boling nails that pretty clearly, if we didn’t already know. Our first round picks were not good under Ruskell compared to Reese. I know you all didn’t like it the last time I brought this up, but as Boling points out a bunch of Reese’s first rounders actually went to the pro-bowl. Several of Ruskell’s picks may not be on the Seahawk’s roster next year while Reese’s are playing in Miami in a few weeks. Hire the man.
Ruskell picked Spencer, Jennings, Jackson and Curry in the first round
only Jennings has been a disappointment, and given that he was selected in the late first round, a minor disappointment. The first round is not a big pool filled with equal talent. Spencer, Jackson and Jennings were all selected in the late first round. That’s not the same as selecting Steve McNair at three.
to be fair Jennings was a stretch for the first round
We needed a corner and Ruskell took the best one available I can’t fault him that.
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions
Just a quick Wikipedia search
He can’t find decent talent from the 3rd-7th round to save his life looking at his complete history.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Do you mean Ruskell or Reese?
Reese has had some good picks in the middle rounds: quickly scanning through Wikipedia Spencer Tulloch, Justin Hartwig, Carlos Hall, Rien Long (off to a decent start and tore his achilles), Randy Starks (cut due to character issues), Jacob Bell, Troy Flemming, Vincent Fuller, and David Stewart. He may not have found Pro Bowlers but those guys were all starters and still are somewhere in the league. Bell and Stewart and still starters on the line and he has hit some major home runs with UFA’s.
The biggest indictment against him was Pac-man but honestly he and Fisher both point the finger on that one.
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 5:51 PM PST up reply actions
Based on John's analysis, I was really excited for Ross
I just hope Allen et al value competence over cronyism.
Yeah, but Church Van wanted too much money here, and wasn't a good fit for our system
Clearly the money was much better spent on Duckett and Edge. Oh, wait! Snap!
OK, I concede.
I liked him, and it’s no surprise he’s done well for the Eagles. It still was a lot to invest in a FB. We had invested in a guy who had the potential to do much better at what we wanted from FB than Weaver could. And as much as we knew what Weaver could do, we also saw that he wasn’t consistently successful with it. Aside from that great pre-season. I didn’t want him to leave, but not retaining him made a lot of sense to me.
It wouldn’t have helped our season, or his, for him to be in Seattle. And even had we made the playoffs I doubt the Seahawk FB would be named all-pro. Philly, sure, if he’s good.
But I concede, that had we wanted to, we could have made it work, here, with Weaver, and the cost would not have been much. Still high for his position, maybe. But it could have worked.
by jacobstevens on Jan 14, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
To be Fair with the criticism of Reese
He has drafted 3 rookie of the years in his 11 first round drafts, Eddie george, Jevon Kearse and Vince Young. I like those odds
Also, Eric Williams posted this from Dave Boling
" When the Titans went 13-3 in 2008, 16 of 22 starters were Reese’s acquisitions, including six Pro Bowl selections that season alone. We might point out that Ruskell had three acquisitions make the Pro Bowl in his five seasons (Julian Peterson, Lofa Tatupu and Patrick Kerney … and Kerney and Peterson had been Pro Bowl players before getting here).
So, where are the Seahawks going to find somebody with Reese’s track record, with that instant credibility, who also wouldn’t be another big front-office ego that could create friction?
Nowhere.
Hire the man, and get started healing this fractured franchise today."
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 14, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
Below is the full article that this bit of info is from. .
Always important to cite a source if you quote someone’s work.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Cool.
I just happened to be posting the link just before you posted what I commented on. :)
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
It's a distortion of facts
I am shocked anyone buys into it. Ruskell’s players have barely been in the league. Why would we compare his drafts with those conducted over a decade ago?
I'm actually pretty excited about Reese.
This guy can wheel and deal, has a lot of experience, and has a proven track record and eye for outstanding players. As long as his first order of business isn’t to start trading picks to the Patriots, I can get behind this hire.
This article contains most of the info that excites me about Reese:
http://www.thenewstribune.com/sports/seahawks/story/1027991.html
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
The second guy is supposedly Khan
according to Pittsburgh Gazette. Funny that they don’t know who the second guy is even though he’s the one all over the news. Was gonna post this earlier but I got busy:
The Seattle Seahawks have narrowed their search for a new general manager to two men, including Steelers’ executive Omar Khan.
Read more: http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/10014/1028286-100.stm#ixzz0cdXiDRVU
Wow that's a neat trick
Copy something from the post gazette website and it does an automatic link to the page. Neato
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 14, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
That's exciting, but also concerning.
If it’s Kahn, I suspect Carroll will have a lot to do w/ the talent-acquisition decisions – more than he would with Reese. Kahn being a cap-guy might be less of a talent evaluator, leaving much of that to PC.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Could be...
but there has also been talk that Seattle just wants to beef up the cap/negotiating side of the business. The current cap guy Idzik, by all the accounts I have read, is thought to be staying.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Operating on the above posts' premise...
…that Reese is an excellent evaluator of
talent, it seems the combo of he and PC
could be quite a boon. I was too lazy to look enough of it.
by THolt on Jan 14, 2010 4:37 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Quick everyone name an offensive pick of amazing value drafted by Ruskell
Anyone? Anyone?
Floyd Resse is at least capable of spotting both types of skill players. Defense and Offense. Already he’s better than Ruskell. Eddie George was a rookie of the year offensive player. Aaron Curry wasn’t even close.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 14, 2010 5:42 PM PST reply actions
Chris Spencer - yes this was a good pick
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions
Unger
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions
but he's such a likable guy!
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:30 PM PST up reply actions
He ran the ball 60% of the time
They pounded him into the ground.
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:41 PM PST up reply actions
Why is Tim Ruskell our measuring stick?
I know why. But he shouldn’t be. We should be hoping for the best possible candidate in all facets of general management, irrespective of the past or any other guy.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 10:10 AM PST up reply actions
Rookie of the year? Games won? You have to look at a teams overall success while a GM is there. Most of it is players.
Floyd Reese has the better track record, in a stronger conference and a tougher division.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 14, 2010 5:51 PM PST reply actions
You also find reasons to justify one man over the other.
Yet you provide “over the years looks” but say Ruskell hasn’t had his guys in the league long enough. How many rookie of the years did Ruskell draft?
Part of fixing an organization is not excusing a GM when he misses in the first round as “Well it’s a crapshoot” or my personal favorite and one you just used. “Drafting at 25 isn’t the same as drafting at 3.” It’s true, sure, but it’s an excuse, not to defend Ruskell, but to diminish Floyd Reese. I don’t see any Mierer’s on his list and with QB likely on our radar, Floyd Resse seems like a man who’s opinion I’d value. over any untested young guy with “ideas.”
by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 14, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Bill Belichick has never drafted a rookie of the year
You’re not seeing Reese’s first round failures because you’re not looking. Henry Ford, Kenny Holmes, Kevin Dyson, Andre Woolfolk. How do you feel about Pacman Jones? Would you have been happy with drafting Vince Young 3rd overall?
Kevin Dyson is a legend.
But nothing will beat the epic signing of Yancey Thigpen.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Thunderdome is now law and it's time to panic!!!
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Jerod Mayo was rookie of the year
but your point still stands and is well made.
Krazy, at this point Floyd Reese isn’t going to do you many favors from your taking up the position to defend him. He’s had misses, questionable moves, things that didn’t work out, just like anyone else. He’s not above reproach. I don’t think anyone’s calling him a bum, either. Some people strongly, actively hope he’s not the guy. I don’t understand why. But I think the worst of us still know that he’s got some notches in his belt and any team could do worse than to be run by Floyd Reese.
Don’t take it personal. We’re just hoping for the absolute best. We’re hoping we get a situation and front office that ends up being like a combo of Zduriencik, Polian and Pioli. Reese has had a ton of tenure, and he’s essentially a known commodity. He’s good, he knows his stuff. He’s not the X-factor to put us over the top, the diamond in the rough, he’s not a legend in his own day. We have high hopes, and it shouldn’t bother you that people are a bit underwhelmed to have Reese as the answer to their expectations that are as high as the sky.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions
How many rookies of the year do most GM's draft?
Two a year, one every fifteen years on average. Guess how many Seahawks have won rookie of the year? zero. Oh wait, I think Rick Mirer won it, or got co-rookie of the year or some shit. Who was the GM? Tom Flores?
Sorry, but that’s a pretty worthless way to measure success with drafting.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 14, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions
I'm warming to Schneider. I'm not sure he's still under consideration.
Good article on Scout.com about him. http://www.gq.com/sports/profiles/201002/marvin-harrison?currentPage=1
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
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