The Floyd Reese Scorecard, Part 1: The Dismantling and Demolition of the Houston Oilers
Is Floyd Reese a collaborator or a henchman? A collaborator combines their opinions with the opinions of others to create a better synthesis. A henchman does the bidding of his master. A henchman is an enabler. They'll pat your back all the way down the escalator to hell. A collaborator knows when to fight, what to fight for, how to champion the righteous underdog, and how to manage the egos of great men.
Is Reese a collaborator or a henchman?
For the sake of clarity, we'll begin our evaluation of Reese from the time he took over as General Manager of the Houston Oilers (1994) until the time he was fired from that position by the Tennessee Titans (2006). Reese was a full blown general manager. That means we much assess both his team's drafts and free agent acquisitions.
Reese inherited this roster and turned it into this roster. The 1993 Oilers were 12-4. The 1994 Oilers were 2-14.
His first move as general manager was to trade Warren Moon to the Vikings for a fourth round selection in 1994 and a third round selection in 1993. Moon wasn't traded because he lacked ability, he went to the Pro Bowl from 1988 to 1995, the final two with Minnesota, and then again in 1997 as a Seahawk. Moon was traded as an elaborate bit of politicking by Oilers owner Bud Adams.
Before the 1993 season he "issued a win-or-else edict" in the words of NYTimes writer Thomas George. He was also pushing hard for a new stadium in Houston and threatening a move otherwise. The stated reason for the trade was Moon's unwillingness to take a pay cut. He accounted for $3 million of a $33 million dollar cap. I'll spare you the whole nine yards on Adams, but, suffice to say, he's one of the most despised owners in the history of the NFL.
You might know Adams as the guy that flipped off Bills fans a couple months back. Sort of the Ur-Al Davis.
The Vikings picks became Sean Jackson and Rodney Thomas. Thomas was a crappy scatback and crappier return man that played seven seasons; six with Houston/Tennessee. Jackson never played a regular season game.
The 1994 draft looked like this:
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26 |
DE |
Arkansas |
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2 |
60 |
DE |
Alabama |
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3 |
101 |
WR |
Fresno State |
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4 |
119 |
CB |
Cincinnati |
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4 |
129 |
RB |
Florida State |
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5 |
157 |
TE |
Arizona |
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5 |
161 |
T |
Virginia |
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6 |
187 |
-- |
Northwestern |
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6 |
194 |
LB |
Texas-El Paso |
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7 |
220 |
LB |
Alabama |
Ford started for three seasons and then served as depth in six more. He totaled 24 sacks over 10 seasons.
Nunley was waived in 1995 to make room for Marion Butts. As busts go, with injury busts reflecting least on a general manager, Nunley was the opposite of an injury bust. He couldn't play professional football.
Malcom Floyd is a successful slot receiver for the San Diego Chargers. Malcolm Floyd was a bust, shaken from the league like a cold. He had 26 receptions for 351 yards in 49 games played.
Davis was a Brown by 1995 and out of the league by 1996.
Lewis worked as a blocking tight end before the Titans decided they could do better. He played in four seasons and then retired.
Wortham and Hall stuck around for a long time and had anonymous, mostly undistinguished careers. Hall was emergency depth. Wortham amassed 62 starts at middle linebacker. That's actually a steal of a deal for a seventh round pick.
Apart from Moon and the draft, Reese's other big move was promoting Jeff Fisher. Fisher was promoted on November 14, 1994 after the firing of head coach Jack Pardee. Fisher signed a three year extension the next day. He was the youngest coach in the league at the time, 37. I would love to call this a brilliant and brave move, but given the state of the franchise - the impending move, the 1-9 record - I think it's much more likely Fisher was promoted and signed because Houston was as unattractive a location as possible.
Fisher turned out to be a mustachioed maestro beloved by NFL fans the world over. But the process that brought him in, Pardee's firing on the 14th, Fisher's promotion and extension on the 15th, is controversial - to be kind. One of Fisher's first major moves was to discipline Webster Slaughter, then the Titans best receiver, by docking him a game check for critical comments. It probably looked like a bad move at the time, but it helped Fisher establish control over his team, and Slaughter, already 30 at the time, didn't have a particularly fruitful career after leaving in 1995.
Fisher believed his team could be a playoff contender by 1995. He was wrong.
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Hayzoos H Creestay
I hope this gets better.
Or worse, just because I like a good Greek tragedy. This sounds like the fucking Antigone of American Football.
I'd like to hope that Reese has learned a lot since 1994.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Yes. It would be lame to judge someone based on their work 15 years ago.
Is there anyone here who isn’t a hell of a lot better at their job than they were 15 years ago? Anyone who hasn’t learned a world of knowledge in the past 15 years of their lives?
This is what I keep thinking while reading critiques of Pete Carroll’s record with the Pats 10 years ago. Judging Pete Carroll on his 10 year old NFL record would be just slightly less lame than judging Floyd Reese on what he did 15 years ago.
Glad to see John will be writing a Part II. Reese has an amazing record to stand on.
Dave Boling has a good write up on Reese over on the TNT that is very worth checking out.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
Not everyone learns from their mistakes
Some people do. But some people will just keep making the same stupid decisions their whole life out of sheer stubbornness. Not saying that is the case with Reese, but to default to the “That was 15 years ago, he must be so much better at it now than he was then” argument is just as lame, just because time has passed doesn’t necessarily mean he makes better decisions now. Some people just delude themselves into thinking they know better than everyone else when it’s apparent to anyone and everyone that they do not.
As for Reese’s track record, I don’t really see what’s so great about it. Running down a quick list of Pro Bowlers he’s selected off the top of my head…McNair was the #3 overall pick. Haynesworth, #15. Vince Young, #3. Eddie George, #14. Jevon Kearse, #16. Picks that high are fairly obvious ones to make. Outside of the first half of the first round, he’s been pretty bad. Give him credit for Derrick Mason in the 4th round in 1997, and he’s found a few other decent players but the number of complete flops from the 2nd round on he’s piled up over the years looks pretty concerning to me.
Everything thing I have read about this guy has been great.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:14 PM PST reply actions
You've been reading the opinions of other 'football guys"
John’s about to hump your skull with a penis constructed of Knowledge.
by DJ C-Raig on Jan 14, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I think John
is starting out with the unmitigated truth. Reese was responsible for drafting some very good football players. (McNair, Haynesworth, Kearse).
Er..
That was kind of disjointed. "is starting out with the unmitigated truth… [insert] Reese had a rocky start in his tenure with the Titans. but went on to draft “some very good football players. (McNair, Haynesworth, Kearse).”
Does that mean we shouldn't judge a GM
by his inability to make good on mid to late first rounders, a la Tim Ruskell?
We should judge those picks within the context they were made
and not criticize Ruskell because a rookie and a second year player have yet to make the Pro Bowl.
Kelly Jennings was the right choice that year
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I don't blame TR for Jennings
not panning out in the pros, but by the same logic you can’t blame Reese when some of his players don’t make it in the pros.
It depends on how the rest of Reese's picks pan out.
Jennings is an outlier as far as I’m concerned, not a dot in a trend.
Hehehe
Did you know that the phrase “panning out” came from the 1849 gold rush era? You know when they used to look for gold in rivers and such hense panning out. Sorry, random fact of the day.
75% of people account for 3/4 of the worlds population.
by Pessimistic Optimist on Jan 15, 2010 1:59 PM PST up reply actions
San Francisco 49er trivia is not welcome here.
Except for Michael Crabtree alligator-arm trivia, of course.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 2:11 PM PST up reply actions
There's a lot of finger pointing on that one
from the owner, to coach, to GM – who knows what was going on there.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
I know but all three have blamed the other for that choice
Adams had the final say on Vince Young, so it would stand to reason that he may have wanted Pacman.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
the scapegoat?
That is my biggest concern with Reese the finger pointing in that relationship.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions
Amen
if there’s a past history of finger-pointing, stay the hell away. Even if Carroll is “The Man”, I don’t want to read any more he-said, she-said shit.
can't really draw a conclusion from that
since owners don’t get fired.
Adams is a pretty hands on owner
So if it was his idea he would scapegoat whoever was less valuable at the time.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
agreed, he viewed Fisher as more valuable
but that by itself doesn’t indicate who made the call on Jones. It could very well have been Fisher, with Reese being fired for completely different reasons.
Sounds like David Greene
No one wanted to claim that pick. Oh David Greene, where art thou?!?
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 14, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
I never understood that pick
did he have issues?
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
His issues were that
he wasn’t very good and couldn’t learn the west coast offense.
Actually, Pacman Jones
is a good example of why I don’t want LeGarrette Blount.
That was Blount's only problem
Pacman had a long arrest record.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
Plus his contract wouldn't be as high
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions
Hate to say it, but Reese doen't look like the best candidate
I’m thinking it has more to do with his ability to get along with Carroll. Hummna hummna hummmna. He is very experienced though, they’re probably looking to pair that experience with Carroll’s inexperience on personnel decisions.
We need a great football guy who can evaluate talent, and Resse is that, and he is not one of these younger "hotshot" GM's trying to make a name
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions
Is Ross one of the Finalists. I was Reading on ESPN and NFL.com that it is down to Reese and One other person, is the 2nd person Ross?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
I remember thinking it was a shame that some of the M's GM hunt names weren't really in the running.
I’m willing to trust the process and hope we get the right guy…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 15, 2010 11:55 AM PST up reply actions
DeCosta
And what leads you to believe he is good at evaluating talent? Just wait for the rest of the series where you will have all the facts arrayed before you, then you can decide.
For me I have beeen reading what other "experts" have been saying about him and his potential to be a good fit for the Hawks
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:32 PM PST up reply actions
John, Do you personally prefer Ross or Reese?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions
Amen!
With our two first round picks, this is a key time for the future of the franchise and we need someone who won’t fuck it up anymore!
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions
Do you feel Ross would work well with Carroll? Or would we have two egos?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
I think Ross would work very well with Carroll
He’s used to working with big personalities. That is, if he wants the position. Carroll clearly wants a lot of control and it’s possible Ross is tired of being in another’s shadow.
Consider that Floyd Reese spent the past year collaborating with Belichick
Sure, Ross might work well with Carroll. Maybe.
Its one thing for a young guy like Ross to say “sure, I could collaborate on personnel decisions with Pete Carroll”, but it means a lot more to me if a seasoned veteran like Reese says this. (which, I assume, either would need to say to be hired.) Reese started coaching 38 years ago, worked in his first front office job in 1990, kept working his way up, and then her spent the past year as an “Advisor” to the Patriots personnel operation. He got to see for himself what an “advisor” job feels like after being a GM and Director.
It sounds like the Seattle GM “collaborator” job might be somewhere on the spectrum between a typical GM and advisor position. Floyd Reese has the experience to know what can be successful, as well as what he himself can put up with.
If Reese chooses to take the job, I’ll have confidence he knows what he’s doing. If a younger guy takes the GM job, I’ll be wondering how the collaboration idea will play out.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
Good points.
You’re basically saying Reese would be content w/ less power. Ross or another younger candidate may not be, since they’ve been working their tails off to ‘move up’ the executive food chain. Depending on what ‘collaborating’ means in truth with regard to this position, one of the younger guys might be making somewhat of a lateral move and not be as content with that. They could also be less likely to accept the job.
I can’t wait to know more about this situation.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Yes
and everything I’ve read about Floyd Reese makes him sound like a level headed vet who can handle anything the gets thrown at him.
I’d really enjoy rooting for a guy like this for a change.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
Despite what many people on this site think, this is not the only source of information about the Seahawks
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Of course it isn't the only source
But people trust John, and thus trust what he says. Nothing in this article is opinion, it’s all objective fact, which is something that I can’t say for all those other “experts”.
All I am saying, is from what I have read, Reese seems to be a pretty good fit. Whether or not he is the best, only the people making that decision know. I just wouldn't be disappointed if we hird Resse
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:37 PM PST up reply actions
Well, I'll have to hear the rest of his career before I know if I like him or not
But all John did is list what Reese did, who he drafted, and where they are now. And those picks happen to blow so far. So just sit back and see how his next picks shake out, before you decide to just believe it because someone like Claire Farnsworth (who is indoctrinated) thinks so.
His later years definately are better than these years John just covered. That is what I like.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Hopefully
I’m more concerned with how his mid rounders do. The soldiers and jewels of any franchise.
No offense, Michael
but you sort of sound like you’re trying to convince yourself that he’ll be a good fit. Reese hasn’t been hired yet, this is all just rumor. A couple days ago DeWayne Walker had “signed on to be our defensive coordinator”. Things will change.
Yes, they change by the minute, but it makes for interesting discussion. No offense taken, I am not pretending to know shit, just giving my opinion based upon what I have read. I don't care who we get, just as long as we get better than the last two years
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
Some of it's opinion
I make no attempts to be objective. I think that’s a human impossibility. I work my very hardest to be accurate.
I suppose that saying Fisher is a maestro
Is opinion, but most of your personable opinions do not affect Reese’s tract record, and are thus superficial knowledge not really changing the course of the debate.
No, it's not the only
But it is the best.
by somethingwitty on Jan 14, 2010 11:40 PM PST up reply actions
But seriously, of the four initially selected, Reese was at the bottom of my list.
I can see the “young hotshot” quotient being a deciding factor for Leiweke. That’s a good point
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 14, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions
Actually I guess Khan would be bottom
My tentative ranking:
Schneider
Ross
Reese
Khan
So I guess Reese over Khan. I don’t get Khan really, since he’s never made personnel decisions.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 14, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
If it is down to Khan and Reese like the media is reporting, then Reese would be the better for you?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 6:53 PM PST up reply actions
That would depend on how Carroll is a talent guy
if he is good then Khan if not then Reese.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
Well we've already had someone post yesterday that they would chop off a testicle to get a Claussen/Spiller first round.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 14, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't say "chop"
I’d allow myself some anaesthetic and probably go the rubber-band route.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
That is so wrong.
Good God. So so wrong.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
by iverson2169 on Jan 15, 2010 12:33 AM PST up reply actions
Yeah but they didn't mention WHOSE testicle.... eh?
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
by iverson2169 on Jan 15, 2010 12:31 AM PST up reply actions
Alright-- who's the wise guy who encouraged McGlynn...
to use the subject line??
You know, I guess I'm just not that big of a fan.
I wouldnt trade one of my fellas for 10 SuperBowl wins in a row.
Okay, maybe 10 in a row, not less.
And why do you think we need a "football guy"?
‘Cause I don’t know if that is the case. Carroll is a pretty good evaluator of talent, and a “football guy”. I would rather have someone to offset his abilities to make a more complete governing structure. Maybe, a “not football guy” in the sense that talking heads mean it. A guy who has been around football, sure, but has not been indoctrinated into it. Someone who knows talent, but is innovative in his beliefs. Someone who can help PC in the areas he is not strong in, like offensive talent, and mid round picks.
Is Carroll a good evaluator of talent?
We don’t know really, that’s kinda the crux of the issue.
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 14, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions
Hmm, true I suppose.
It’s hard to say without him being a GM. Who knows how much power/responsibility he had at USC in the evaluation process.
You get the idea he ran USC football
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions
That's a pretty bad start to get off to.
We’ll see how he does in more recent years: if he sucked for a couple years then got better at drafting that’s not too bad. But if he continued to be bad at drafting and Fisher was the genius behind those picks, then ughh.
Now with more lemon bars!
The truth is none of us know with perfect certainty what was going on in those offices
I’ll just work from his drafts and free agents. Everyone was convinced Ruskell and Holmgren were BFFs during the superbowl year. We don’t know anything about how these office relationships truly work, it’s the worst kind of assumption journalism.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 14, 2010 6:38 PM PST reply actions
Sorry, folks. I'm out for the evening.
My wife woke up and we have plans. I can’t tell you if this gets better.
Well, for one you forgot to mention that Reese inherited the best player in the history of the NFL
Al Del Greco
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
There was a series of ads years ago that ended with that tag line in the 90s
loved those ads
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
What, no Tecmo Bowl fans? Really? How old am I?
by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 14, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
The only time I ever liked the Raiders
Bo Jackson and Marcus Allen ran over everyone and Howie Long…
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
For me it was all about Christian Okoye.
He’s still my all time favorite RB. I love this Tecmo video of him.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 14, 2010 10:20 PM PST up reply actions
I fucking loved Tecmo Bowl
But Super Tecmo Bowl kinda sucked.
by somethingwitty on Jan 14, 2010 11:45 PM PST up reply actions
Tecmo Bowl aged badly
I’ve played it with different roster hacks over the years and even gave the DS revival a
shot. Great for it’s time but better left to memory. Mind you this is all from a single player perspective. A lot of it’s issues are AI related.
Also you may be interested in the rumored HD remake. Albeit of Tecmo Bowl and not Tecmo Super Bowl or whatever the superior NES sequel was.
[DELETED ZOMG NO POLITICS]
by bluemax on Jan 14, 2010 7:18 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Can you still go back 30 yards and throw it for a touchdown?
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Brian Blades had 4100 yards and 32 tds when I played a season.
I couldn’t run for crap with the hawks.
by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 14, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions
That's awesome!
If it has the original rostera, I’ll still buy it. Any game that lets me be the Boz is worth buying.
I still own an 8 bit Nintendo and Tecmo Super Bowl. I’ll bust it out for an afternoon every couple years, then do the auto skip to about week 12 and try and find a team that looks like it will only make it to the playoffs if it wins all the rest of their games, then try and take them to the superbowl.
Then I see how far I can get in “Punch Out!!” (The post Tyson rape version with Mr. Dream) without losing. I can usually get to at least Macho Man, but I’ve yet to beat Mr. Dream. Then I’ll put the system back in a drawer for another couple years.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 14, 2010 10:29 PM PST up reply actions
Just FYI
the Tecmo Bowl remake is of the Super Nintendo Version, according to Joystiq’s source.
That guy looked like Fat Tony's henchman from the Simpsons
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions
That's the one...
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 14, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Reese is a bit of a puzzle.
But, of the players he was responsible for drafting, there are some really good names and later round gems that get me excited about him. I do have to say that the record of some of his teams is cause for concern. I love a lot of those players he drafted. His resume includes Eddie George, McNair, Roos, Haynesworth, Finnegan, etc…. Granted, more info is coming into focus. He was the GM for a long time. I’ve yet to see a full list and really delve into his rosters to make a more educated opinion of him. I’m kind of ambivalent right now.
Schneider has an impressive initial list, as well, that includes (why is he not in the final running, or is he?):
being successful on early-round picks like Nick Barnett (2003), Aaron Rodgers and Nick Collins (2005), Clay Matthews (2009), while unearthing hidden gems like Aaron Kampman (5th round, 2002), Johnny Jolly (6th round, 2006), and tight end Jermichael Finley and guard Josh Sitton (3rd and 4th rounds, 2008) in later rounds.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
I think the idea is that Ted Thompson is the main guy
most of what happens does because he says so.
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by Generzal Zod on Jan 15, 2010 10:31 AM PST up reply actions
Glad you brought that up, as it was something I was pondering last night.
I’m not sure who gets credited for those picks: is it Thompson AND Schneider? Were some decided upon by one and some the other? That seems impossible to distinguish. Schneider learned from some good people, including Thompson, but that doesn’t mean he has the same decision-making ability or specific eye for talent. However, his position implies that he is the one presenting the info that Thompson ultimately makes the decision on. He has input throughout much of the process.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer
great point
Most of these guys worked under GMs who were responsible for the final decision. I don’t know that we should assign too much credit or blame to someone like DeCosta or Schneider.
DeCosta's duties are explained on the team's website
1996-2009: (with Baltimore) 2009: Promoted to director of player personnel, following six successful seasons as scouting director…Continues to oversee the Ravens’ draft process, "stacking the draft board" as well as evaluating primary draft-eligible players.
2008: Led the Ravens during the NFL Draft, selecting Flacco (18th overall), who became the Diet Pepsi (fan vote) Rookie of the Year in 2008.
2007: The Ravens drafted All-Rookie Team performer G Ben Grubbs (Auburn) as the team’s first-round pick (29th overall)…Also selected T Jared Gaither in the fifth round of the Supplemental Draft…Both O-linemen have already cemented themselves on the left side of the Ravens’ line.
2006: Drafted All-Rookie Team standouts DT Haloti Ngata (12th overall) and S Dawan Landry (fifth round)…Baltimore also selected top-notch P Sam Koch (sixth round).
One can’t perfectly separate the works of DeCosta from Newsome, etc, but he deserves a great deal of credit.
DeCosta certainly stood out
which is why I didn’t get my hopes up on him. I sorta figured if it came down to it, the Ravens would bump Newsome up to president or something and promote DeCosta to GM in order to keep him there. Gotta work on my negativity.
I tell you what
With PC in charge, I’d almost rather Ross to DeCosta. I know the light is dimming on his chances, but DeCosta seemed like a pure executive, whereas Ross is the kind of hybrid scout-exec-assistant that Carroll needs.
It's taken me a while to come around
but that’s what I’m hoping for most, too. Ross.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions
Tecmo was the shiznit
Moon to Hill, Montana to Rice, unstoppable. Like cheating with gravy baby!! Back to the real world, So just who are the OC & DC, can somebody fill in the blanks?
But
The D line was poor all year getting pressure on the qb, thereby exposing our porous secondary( Mora, the gift that keeps on giving). And any DC that would leave a just returning Trufant man to man against Johnson (?) to get eaten alive should take a long walk with the same guy who decided to start a second rate rb and leave JF on the bench. ( Mora, the gift that keeps on giving.) Is PC going to settle for the same ole’ same ole’?
HawkHammer
what is your source for this info please. thanx
I seem to recall
Jake declaring to play his senior year. Whats up HH?
Heard on the radio (I think it was 710)
that the two finalists for the job are Reese (obvious) and Marc Ross (not Omar Khan) let me just say, “Jackpot.” Lets go Ross.
I would say Ross
The Giants have drafted extremely well and their front office has done a good job of maintaining peace between a egotistical jerk of a coach and some pretty high ego players.
Spring cleaning has started early this year!
Well, those problems were spilling out pretty hard
and the Giants looked like a train wreck about to happen. Then they won the Superbowl and everyone loved Coughlin. So..winning fixes everything.
Now with more lemon bars!
Interesting, Malcolm Floyd is brothers with Malcom Floyd (Chargers)
What kind of parents would name their sons Malcolm and Malcom?
They weren't content with only having one Malcolm...
I guess they were malcomtents
by Kryten on Jan 15, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions 6 recs
Comments like this deserve more rec's.
I think we’re kinda stingy with our rec’s here…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 15, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions
Pete and Pete
comes to mind. Far superior to Malcom and Malcolm imh(umble)o.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=491&line=166418&spln=1
Danny O'Neil also reported
that Quinn and Bradley will possibly remain on staff. The wording there suggests he’d be retaining his position as coordinator, but if they’ve interviewed Quinn and Jerry Gray for coordinator, he may be retained in another capacity.
Then again Ken Norton is the LB coach which was Bradley’s prior job, so maybe it’s coordinator or nothing.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 2:14 PM PST up reply actions
Not disagreeing, but reasons why?
beyond continuity?
Bradley and Quinn somehow earned some high regard from me, early on. And Bradley is well spoken publicly. The one thing that stands out is the screaming at the players in the futile blowouts, like against the Colts. Not judging; sometimes it’s warranted, and sometimes you aren’t taken seriously without asserting authority. It just felt like it wasn’t received well. No idea if it was, but it gave me pause.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
I think he has great potential
But I’m at the point where I don’t want a single defense in the league to be based so heavily on zone schemes. Hopefully he realizes the talents of this team and that 3 man rushes suck when Kerney is one of the rushers. Carroll will teach him well.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
I wonder what Mora's effect on Bradley was when designing the schemes and calling the plays.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
It's almost like they expected "aggressive, attacking" to do all the work.
Get the players to play, and that will make the difference. I appreciate the recognition that talent trumps, but it’s kind of acknowledging as a playcaller you’re not having any impact, isn’t it?
And yet they did. They had a huge impact.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 3:14 PM PST up reply actions
And I have heard a few times
for the first time ever, suggesting zone coverage is out of vogue in the NFL. Obsolete or can’t keep up. I think it’s a matter of the size and depth of the talent pool. If everyone went man, there would be the 6 teams that execute well, the other 4 that cover up their deficiencies, and the remaining teams whose entrails will be torn from their bodies and strewn across the field because they simply would not be able to keep up.
I think the league still needs zone. The talent isn’t good enough against today’s passing offense. Something must be done. Something must be adjusted, but unless we build an all-pro secondary we can’t toss the baby out with the bathwater.
by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty iffy on reese and "the other guy"
But anyone is better than Ruskell. And true his experience will help counteract Carrolls, dare I say “n00bness”.
Regardless though, anybody hear about the brandon marshall rumors?
http://www.footballsfuture.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=369465
JACK Z>GOD>Petey Carroll
Try the 3 links in the forum of the website I posted....
pretty sure it says a couple things about branch and picks→denver
JACK Z>GOD>Petey Carroll
Doesn't look to be the best sources.....
but Mike Sando did write about it in his blog on Jan. 1st
JACK Z>GOD>Petey Carroll
One guy speculates and claims to have heard something from the Denver locker room
Seahawk addicts reports that. Mike Sando, two weeks ago, says that a good player might help two bad teams and talks about how Mora might be willing to take on a malcontent Theres nothing substantial to those.
Substantial or not
B Marsh+HOOOOOUSH+Burly+Carlson
its good to dream every once in awhile
JACK Z>GOD>Petey Carroll
New to the whole commenting biz....
Been reading the posts multiple times a day for almost a year….
felt like it was time I gave some input
JACK Z>GOD>Petey Carroll
Now Florio is saying that Reese may not even be a candidate
And Sando says Schneider is still in the running. I don’t know who to believe anymore!
Schneider still in the mix:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4831574
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer

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