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Seahawks Retain Defensive Coordinator Gus Bradley and Defensive Line Coach Dan Quinn

Pete Carroll is wracking up the wins. It would have been easy, almost expected for Carroll to clear house. Seattle's defense was bad, ranking 29th in DVOA25th in DRANK and 19th in the perennially under appreciated drive stats. What's worse, it was trending down. The Seahawks defense is talented, and so coaching is likely to blame for their failure.

But it wasn't the coaching of defensive coordinator Gud Bradley or defensive line coach Dan Quinn that undermined the Seahawks talent. Carroll recognized that and announced both will be retained.

Bradley is a linebacker guru that graduated from the Monte Kiffin college of kicking ass. Seattle suffered a run of linebacker injuries, but right down to the bitter end, Will Herring and David Hawthorne were flying around, fighting into plays and contributing. Bradley deserves recognition for that. He also deserves credit for better timed and better schemed blitzes. Seattle moved away from John Marshall's three stooges attack that led to little more than defenders blocking out defenders, and instead ran a more nuanced version where linebackers could read and react to backfield blockers and blitz or bubble into coverage.

Quinn has a background in the 3-4. As a defensive line coach, he deserves primary credit for Seattle's impressive 2009 class of late round picks and non-drafted free agents. Too bad only Nick Reed stuck around, because pre-season sack monsters Michael Bennett and Derek Walker looked like talented role players and potentially more. Quinn and Bradley coached a talented and often impressive front seven, and Carroll deserves huge credit for separating the wheat from the chaff.

The chaff is self evident I suppose. I try to avoid piling on the already fired, but in this ca se a rebuke of Mora is necessary. His beliefs about a well run secondary were embodied by Brian Russell. Russell served one purpose: Avoid touchdown scoring completions at all costs. That strategy assumes control over something that can not be controlled, or, as I put it May of last year:

Keeping a safety back that prevents touchdowns, but does not prevent long gains or first downs is conservative. It allows gradual damage, but avoids death. It's the gin and tonic to Jim Johnson's smash-and-grab drug cocktail. Theoretically, it could work. If a team could consistently allow few yards per play, but allow first downs, it could conceivably create short drives of many plays and, by force of volume, force turnovers.

Seattle didn't do that in 2008. It not only allowed many total yards, the third most total yards and the most passing yards in the NFL, it also allowed quite a few yards per attempt. Especially passing: Seattle's 6.9 net yards per attempt was 26th in the league.

If that's its strategy, it will be a wonder if Seattle is successful. Brian Russell won't contribute. He's neither a sure enough tackler nor fast enough to break on the pass to limit long completions. He can at best limit very long completions. He won't contribute stopping the run the way a Tampa 2 safety must. I don't see why, even with the built-in cushion, teams would not challenge him deep. He's not fast, he's not a hard hitter and he hasn't shown an ability to get the jump ball. He's the right profile but the wrong talent for a scheme that probably won't work.

Brian Russell is the speedy leadoff hitter that doesn't walk and gets caught stealing. He's the catcher that frames pitches and calls a great game, but can't hit. He's the power forward that drops defense to position himself for the board. He's a losing strategy embodied, and Seattle's coaches aren't blind or stupid, they're just mistaken.

That was Mora's strategy. It surfaced after Mora was signed in 2007, corresponded strongly with Russell's two seasons in Seattle and persisted after his handmaiden was banished to free agency and forced retirement. Seattle could stop the run. It could force third and long, but when it should have concentrated on stopping the conversion, it instead decided to "attack". Mora thought you could scheme interceptions. He couldn't and, attempting to do so, the Seahawks couldn't get off the field.

Mora compounded his flawed strategy with a predictable pattern of alternating three and four-man rushes with heavy blitzes.

A good coach should not be caught dead to rights by color commentator John Lynch.

. . .

Schaub last played under Jim Mora in 2006. Mora was then fired and hired by the Seattle Seahawks. Schaub, Lynch, millions of home viewers and Gary Kubiak perfectly anticipated Mora's tendencies. Tendencies, we can only assume, that have not changed since his time in Atlanta. Tendencies, described by Lynch by way of Schaub, that are fixed, motivated by frustration and easily exploitable.

I once worked in a warehouse finishing furniture. I would play chess with a coworker during breaks. Every time I won, he wanted a rematch, and would play worse, and become more frustrated and sloppy, and play worse, and become more frustrated and sloppy, and play worse...

Bradley and Quinn deserve a chance to prove themselves independent of Jim Mora. Both are respected around the league. Neither has has truly failed -- the Mora debacle notwithstanding. But however deserving, both should have been considered underdogs. Carroll has displayed an open mind and a keen recognition for coaching talent by retaining Quinn and Bradley. Kudos.

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Vance Walker?

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 15, 2010 4:09 PM PST reply actions  

Shoot. Thanks

I really like Vance, so maybe that’s just my mind inserting the blanks.

by John Morgan on Jan 15, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor Vance has been cut TWICE now...

First from the team, and now from your article.

by Kryten on Jan 15, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

We should draft him and then cut him again.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 15, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Vance played

quite a bit with the Falcons. Can’t believe that guy lasted until the seventh round.

by John Morgan on Jan 15, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, one last joke...

If you like him so much, why do you keep cutting him?

by Kryten on Jan 15, 2010 4:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Hello everyone

First post here but I’m reading often. I’m happy that Bradley gets another shot away from Mora. M.Kiffen spoke so highly that there must be some potential.

by DHecB on Jan 15, 2010 4:13 PM PST reply actions  

Welcome to Field Gulls!

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 15, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

And Jerry Gray looks like he could be a very solid addition

I’m glad Carroll isn’t just bring over all of his USC buddies. He appears to be genuinely looking for the best coach and fit for the team.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 15, 2010 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

I'm warming to Carroll

but I please, please Leiweke, team him with someone he can’t just steamroll.

by John Morgan on Jan 15, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Cheers

Any chance J.Gray makes a lateral move to be our DB coach?

by DHecB on Jan 15, 2010 4:18 PM PST reply actions  

You're going to end up loving Pete

While the “media” castigate the ever loving crap out of him next year for hopefully not sticking with Hasselbeck.

by BellinghamBrian on Jan 15, 2010 4:23 PM PST reply actions  

History finds the truth

That’s one reason I link to past posts. My body of work is the only credibility I have.

by John Morgan on Jan 15, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what I consider good news

With Bates on offense and Carroll/Bradley on defense, we are assembling a quality coaching staff.

Carroll probably also likes having a defensive coordinator who is used to being somewhat subserviant to the head coach, so that might have gone over well in the interview.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 15, 2010 4:36 PM PST reply actions  

Does anyone know anything else about Bates?

What kind of WCO is he known for? What should we expect from his tendencies?

by jacobstevens on Jan 15, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Jerry Gray has been offered the secondary coach job

Meaning Tim Lewis is probably done.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 15, 2010 4:55 PM PST reply actions  

He may or may not accept.

The Skins secondary is something our team should envy. We don’t necessarily have the requisite talent on board to be very good, yet, but Gray would be a welcome addition in my mind and a huge step in the right direction.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 15, 2010 5:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I've soured on the Tampa 2 defense, but I'm interested to see what Bradley can do without Mora.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Jan 15, 2010 4:59 PM PST reply actions  

If I never see an attempt at Tampa 2

It’ll be too soon.

erutangis

Tatonka?!? TAKONKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

by jubelthebear on Jan 15, 2010 8:29 PM PST up reply actions  

This would have been a horrible time to make the switch anyway

There’s a lot of fuzzy 3-4 fits with this team, FA is going to be weird and limited and its a pretty lousy draft for 3-4 players.

Plus, there’s just so many 3-4 teams now I’m having a hard time seeing the value in it. The best thing about the 3-4 is that you can get cheaper pass rushers, but there are so many 3-4 teams that those positions have become a big commodity and just as tough to acquire.

by kearly on Jan 16, 2010 12:18 AM PST up reply actions  

Yea I have to say I'm ok with losing the 3-4 pipedream

I mean, do we really want to be tied to trying to find a 3-4 nosetackle?

I suppose Wilfork is like, an outside option for shoppers this off-season…

by BellinghamBrian on Jan 16, 2010 1:52 AM PST up reply actions  

Wait so is Bates a WCO type of coordinator?

Cuz when he was in Denver it sure as hell didn’t seem like Jay Cutler was in a west coast offense.

by Seahawksfan23 on Jan 15, 2010 6:25 PM PST reply actions  

The West Coast Offense is all about exploiting the seams...

If you have a QB with a gun like Cutler, he is able to challenge the deeper seams. There is a big difference between deep seam routes, and the more contemporary “fly” and “wheel” routes of a true pro-set type offense.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 15, 2010 7:12 PM PST up reply actions  

LaCanfora: Gray expected to become secondary coach

http://blogs.nfl.com/2010/01/15/seahawks-offer-redskins-gray-secondary-job/

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 15, 2010 7:25 PM PST reply actions  

So I guess Zerick Rollins is out

Since the LB coach from USC is coming in and Bradley is gonna be retained.

erutangis

Tatonka?!? TAKONKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

by jubelthebear on Jan 15, 2010 8:26 PM PST reply actions  

Only three coaching announcements?

Seems like a slow news day. I can’t wait for the GM selection, so I can stop refreshing this site every 30 seconds.

by TheLaird on Jan 15, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

I love the description of Russell from your May post... May I add one?

It’s the billiards player that always plays for the safety, and never attempts to pocket balls.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 16, 2010 12:27 AM PST reply actions   1 recs

Gotta say, I was hoping Bradley would be gone

The Tampa 2 system is a horrible fit to our talent. Although it might not be so bad if Carroll is 100% in charge of the defense. As I understand it, Carroll mixes up man and zone quite a lot instead of relying mostly on zone, and he’s a big believer in “playing guys to their strengths.” Meaning less of Curry in zone coverage and used more as a blitzer, etc.

But if it turns out that the Seahawks are sticking to essentially the same scheme and strategy as last year, I’d consider this a pretty big buzzkill.

by kearly on Jan 16, 2010 12:27 AM PST reply actions  

Get the intent of the post but,

is Curry a better blitzer than zone player?

by BellinghamBrian on Jan 16, 2010 1:54 AM PST up reply actions  

That's a good question...

Curry did get a decent number of hits on the QB last year, but how did he do in Zone and Man coverage?

by Bildo on Jan 16, 2010 4:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Its even more interesting to think about the fact that coming out of college

The media said that he wouldn’t be able to rush the QB effectively.

by stufr on Jan 16, 2010 5:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Then again

no one on our roster rushed the QB effectively last year.

by Bildo on Jan 16, 2010 8:01 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope that we are better at choosing when to go and when to cover next year

This year was frustrating.
John, Have you run the numbers on blitzing vs laying back against a team like AZ?
It appears to me that you can’t cover their recievers over an extended period. A guy like Warner will burn the blitz at times, but its the least evil of the options. Our coverage, not blitz plan didn’t seam to cut it.

by stufr on Jan 16, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I haven't, as I haven't charted every Cardinals pass attempt

I checked through the FO almanac, but didn’t see that stat. I will say this, I don’t think Mora was lying about blitzing Warner, and it accords with my understanding of him as a quarterback. Warner has incredible vision and is respected for his ability to find his hot route. If there’s an open man, he will find him. His chief weakness, at his relatively old age, is arm strength. He’s accurate and has become cool under pressure, but his passes are slow and defensible.

Blitzes are overvalued because we tend to notice them only when they work. Seattle didn’t need to blitz more, it needed to generate better pressure from the front four but couldn’t. That’s partly because Seattle lacks the talent and it’s partly because Seattle plays the wrong talent. A Reed-Cole-Terrill-Redding line is never going to generate pressure on its own. The Seahawks use some batty rotations. Losing to Warner is no great failure, though. Warner is incredible. He ripped apart a much better Packers defense. Sometimes the plan is correct, but it still fails.

by John Morgan on Jan 16, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah that makes sense

Assuming he retires, I think we are still in trouble if we don’t get more pressure. Nobody can cover their current recievers long enough for bad pressure to work.
I guess thats an incredibly simplistic statement, but with those recievers I think any averave QB will succeed in tearing you apart.

by stufr on Jan 16, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not even a big fan of Curry

I’m surprised Curry only had two sacks. Tackles and tight ends panicked and collapsed when he rushed from outside. He got within a couple feet of the QB essentially without resistance, but it usually only resulted in a hurried throw. That’s still valuable of course. I can only wonder what a Mebane x 2 interior line (aka draft Brian Price) coupled with good coverage, suddenly QB’s won’t be able to just easily quick throw or move up in the pocket to avoid Curry’s fast outside pressure. Of course the same thing goes for Tapp.

I know our offense needs an overhaul, but I’d argue if you want to turn the Seahawks into at least a .500 team the fastest, draft a DT who isn’t worthless to pair with Mebane and scheme effective coverage. It would do wonders for our sack total and Curry/Tapp in particular.

by kearly on Jan 16, 2010 12:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Good job.

I think both guys can develope a good scheme with Carroll over the next few years, so good job Pete. With that said, I think to many coaches get to much credit for the good and to much blame for the bad. I agree with Lo-Jack (from his interview on Brock and Salk), at the end of the day it is on the players to play to their talents and the scheme that is drawn up for them by the coaches. It didn’t happen last year.

If the players don’t execute for the next coaching staff, who’s to blame next time, the coaches or the players? The answer is easy, it is everyone, not just one group of players or coaches. All I’m saying is, it is easy to blame a coach or a player, but it usually is a mix of a lot of things. So give this new staff at least two or three years before you ask for their heads if things don’t go perfect right away (something the last staff never got a chance to have).

by JustinWF on Jan 16, 2010 9:59 AM PST reply actions  

Lil' Jon ranked first in DRANK last season.

I’ll be here all week. Please tip your waitresses.

by J.L. White on Jan 16, 2010 11:50 AM PST reply actions  

Schneider still in the mix for GM:

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4831574

This makes me happy. This is one guy I’m still excited about.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, CB Ras-I Dowling, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 16, 2010 12:20 PM PST reply actions  

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