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My hatred for the Broncos was transient. Denver offered an inequitable trade and Seattle said "sure". There are roots to this rivalry, but those roots are rotted and irrelevant. After Denver collapsed on their swords to complete the regular season, I toasted their demise, poured a little on the grave of their postseason, and began daydreaming about their pick. Relationship over; hatred consummated.

But my hatred for Herr McDaniels lives on. Once you've got a nostril full of the glowering, beady-eyed McDaniels, the stench sticks with you. For all the praise heaped atop McDaniels, he did little more than stall a developing contender. Denver finished 8-8 in 2008 and 8-8 in 2009. The offense, McDaniel's forte, declined significantly. The defense transformed and finished in the top ten.

Stall and kill, it would seem. Nolan didn't make this defense, but it's probable that he made the defense better. Losing him sets the Broncos back, but something even more significant is in play. Denver had the second ranked offense in the NFL in 2008. It had the 31st ranked defense. Assuming Nolan is not capable of miracles, some of the gains Denver's defense made in 2009 were natural progression. Had McDaniels retained Jay Cutler, it's very possible that the Broncos would have been a Super Bowl contender. But McDaniels chased out Cutler like he's now chased out Nolan. The Kyle Orton led Broncos are also-rans, if that.

What McDaniels has done is almost without precedent. He took a young team with a powerhouse offense and the talent to make a great defense, alienated its quarterback and best receiver, and perhaps taken a perennial contender, even the makings of a dynasty, and turned it into...we shall see.

over 2 years ago Jj_flag_detail1_tiny John Morgan 43 comments 0 recs  | 

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Let's trade with Denver again.

McDaniels is ready to lead this team to 4-12.

2010 Seahawks Goals: Master the forward pass, sack the QB, and knock Arizona off their perch.

by SSreporters on Jan 18, 2010 6:05 PM PST reply actions  

Same thought I had when reading this

Oh, please, oh, please Mr. McDaniels: Call the Seahawks front office and offer next year’s one for our two again. Pretty please? With sugar on top?

by robbbbbb on Jan 18, 2010 6:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know about you all ...

… but I have hated the Broncos since the AFC West days and I will continue to hate them for the rest of their existence. This is why I love the trade and their demise. Not to mention the obvious reasons that have been stated repeatedly.

by nut_house on Jan 18, 2010 6:44 PM PST reply actions  

My hatred for them had cooled in recent seasons.

Only to be rekindled once we had reason to root against them. Particularly the Cutler debacle and later the draft pick were reasons enough for me. Now, I hate his fucking face almost as if I were a Denver fan. Truth is, I have family in Denver but I don’t root and never have rooted for their success. Elway in the SB was a nice story, I’ll admit, but I always hated the Raiders far and away the most of the old AFC West rivalries.

This has gotten comical and I feel for Denver fans having to witness such idiocy. Regardless of whether the team has future success or not, dealing away Cutler and specifically the way the situation got handled was moronic. Also, what the hell happened to Eddie Royal? He didn’t get ‘untalented’ or morph into Freddie Mitchell overnight. A series of questionable, if not outright stupid, moves spearheaded by McDaniels. Us adding their first round pick has me very excited and it’s all the sweeter because it’s at their expense. Next, maybe they should trade Marshall for T.O.

by Misfit74 on Jan 18, 2010 8:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Sounds like they might replace Nolan with Pees

I guess I shouldn’t be surprised that a Pats farm hand wouldn’t be able to identify another Pats farm hand.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 18, 2010 6:49 PM PST reply actions  

but but but

It was Jay Cutler that wanted to be traded rolls eyes I hate that argument.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 18, 2010 8:12 PM PST reply actions  

It's not that simple....McDaniels is not entirely to blame

Brian Xanders (GM) and Pat Bowlen should have provided more oversight and direction for Josh, who walked into a minefield last year. He is the only one in the spotlight in Denver. It is very possible they are using his inexperience and naive outlook to point to him as the scapegoat, a lot of corporations do that in transition, in which they clearly were in when they brought him on board.

by Rundstrom on Jan 18, 2010 9:39 PM PST reply actions  

Why get rid of Mike Nolan?

Wasn’t he mostly responsible for the most improved part of the DEN team – their D? Don’t get it?

by 008klm on Jan 18, 2010 10:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that's reaching

This began with McDaniels, McDaniels has proven himself capable, and every poor move involves McDaniels in some way. I think this is about McDaniels.

by John Morgan on Jan 18, 2010 10:34 PM PST up reply actions  

look at who else is involved

cutler= douchebag, huge ego
Marshall= douchebag, T.O. sized ego
Nolan= the biggest egomaniac in the NFL. definitly a douchebag.

look at who a young first time head coach is having to deal with, none of them showed him the respect of the position that he had

by Rundstrom on Jan 19, 2010 1:37 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I dunno

Cutler is a whiny bitch but he didn’t demand to be traded until he heard he was on the trading block for MATT CASSEL. I’d give my right nut (my FAVORITE nut) to play QB in the NFL but even I would be pissed to be put on the trading block for Matt “Benchwarmer” Cassel.

Marshall is a DBag with a WR ego but he’s also one of the top 5 WRs in the league. Mishandles hasn’t treated him as such.

I really don’t know much about Mike Nolan apart from his underwhelming stint as the 49ers Head Coach, but he was the guy who successfully implented a 3-4 for Denver and improved the weakest part of their team and he’s now being let go for a guy who just got fired. It’s not like Pees was the guy calling the defensive plays in NE (Belichick is a defensive specialist right?). This sounds a lot like what Mora did with the coaching staff of the Hawks last year and, for the most part, that didn’t work out so well. Throw trading away a franchise QB for a career back up QB, alienating your fanbase and pissing off your best player…

I hope to god the Seahawks never hire anyone from the Belichick coaching tree… (Mangini, McDaniels, Weis… No thanks.)

by Bildo on Jan 19, 2010 6:15 AM PST up reply actions  

"Look at who a young first time head coach is having to deal with, none of them showed him the respect of the position that he had."

Really?

I thought you EARNED respect through your words and actions. You don’t automatically get a 24 oz free can of respect just because you got hired for a job that came so early in your career as to make people question your qualifications from day 1. Then you add onto that certain moves behind the scenes that make it look like you SHOULD be questioned from day 1.

As Bildo said, Cutler didn’t demand trade immediately but he sure as hell got adament when it sounded like Josh Mishandles was putting feelers out on Cassel. And, uhm, Cutler was ALWAYS a douche. Shanahan dealt with it. Why couldn’t Mishandles?

Marshall as douchebag? Perhaps. T.O. sized ego? Why not. He put up T.O. type numbers, after all. WR is and has always been a primadonna position in the NFL. Moss had a rep prior to Mishandles mentor getting him, yet Moss is a stunning success in NE. Apparently Mishandles couldn’t take a page out of the mentor’s book and get the most out of his stunningly talented WR?

Interesting that there are trade rumors now about Marshall, and Scheffler is likely on the way out via trade as well. I find it funny Mishandles is in the process of moving the three highest talented skill position players he received from an offensively minded genius coach.

Oh, and on Nolan… really? Biggest egomanic in the NFL?!? From what I’ve seen of Mishandles in interviews, he seems to have a much greater ego than his ex-DC. Joshy needed to fix the defense. He hired a guy with great defensive pedigree to propel things. And let’s be honest— any success Denver had this year was NOT due to Mishandles head coaching and playcalling (which made the offense considerably worse), it was due to Nolan’s ability to get the D to play above it’s ability level for an extended time this year.

Maybe Peas will carry it over…. with that aging secondary I doubt it. I think two years from now we’ll all look back at the McDaniels’ era and laugh about how the Broncos could have taken one of the elite coaches out to pasture in order to hire a guy who was woefully overmatched for the job.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 19, 2010 7:16 AM PST up reply actions  

You can't just get rid of the best players on your team because you don't want to deal with them anymore.

And the number of douchebags around McDaniels is getting suspicious. It’s kind of like how everyone around Hasselbeck suddenly forgot how to play football, but not Matt. Matt’s just fine.

Suddenly Cutler is so unhappy you have to trade him. Marshall is such a disruption he can’t even be at the stadium for the last game of the year despite catching over 100 balls and being a huge part of their success throughoutt he year. Ditto Scheffler. Hillis is suddenly unproductive and a malcontent. Nolan has developed an ego so big he can’t handle being a defensive coordinator, a job he held for 11 of the past 14 years.

Maybe it’s not everyone AROUND McDaniels. Maybe it’s just McDaniels.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 19, 2010 11:28 AM PST up reply actions  

Brandon Marshall for Deion Branch and a midround pick (if necessary)

The Seattle Seahawks desperately need playmakers, maybe nothing more on offense than a legit #1 WR that can stretch the field. Marshall is tall, athletic and gifted. Branch has a relationship with McMuffin and should fit their system nicely. I know this has been rumoured before but as the Broncos situation continues to explode it seems more and more possible.

I don’t care if the guy is a ‘dirtbag’. You don’t want your team to be full of felons but there’s definitely room for 1 primadonna wide receiver

by Keasley on Jan 19, 2010 9:20 AM PST reply actions  

And together they would eat Hasselbeck for lunch.

But hell yeah I am on with this. I also don’t think there’s a mite of truth to it. As long as our top 3 picks are not involved. 3rd or less, and Branch, for Marshall? Hell yeah.

by jacobstevens on Jan 19, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't consider Housh a 'primadonna'

Ultimately, it’s semantics but I don’t see Houshmandzadeh in the primadonna WR role. He’s very competitive, a bit hot under the collar and opinionated but he’s just not the classic ‘type’. First, he’s not a selfish player on the field. He blocks. He goes over the middle and takes hits. The classic primadonna WR exists to stretch the field and makes big plays. They tend to shy away from the more lunchbucket aspects of the game like blocking and over the middle short gains.

Also, Housh hasn’t – to my knowlege — ever been a contract holdout, he doesn’t choreograph elaborate touchdown celebrations and he’s avoided off the field drama in a way that T.O., Ocho Cinco, Plaxico Burress and, yes, Brandon Marshall have not.

by Keasley on Jan 19, 2010 10:33 AM PST up reply actions  

T.O. blocks.

He’s one of the best downfield blocking WRs I’ve ever seen. Probably because he could (in his prime) physically dominate any corner in the league.

by Bildo on Jan 19, 2010 12:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Marshall may be immature or a 'head case' so to speak...

but he can block. He’s an elite talent at WR. I’d be on board w/ adding him.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 21, 2010 10:06 AM PST up reply actions  

You guys are seriously hilarious.

If Denver ends up hiring Romeo Crennell as Nolan’s replacement, will any of this matter? Nolan did an outstanding job and very likely wants to become a head coach again. That won’t happen in Denver any time soon.

You’re a great football blogger John. Not just good, great. Stooping to silly ad hominem inferences like gibbering nutcase Woody Paige is above you.

by xteve on Jan 19, 2010 10:03 AM PST reply actions  

Xteve, you do realize on top of Romeo being a Chief, that Nolan isn't going to get a head job anytime soon?

He failed miserably in SF, and people aren’t in a hurry to hire a failed HC while the memory is still fresh. His best bet would have been to turn the terrible Denver D into an upper tier/elite unit if he wanted a HC job ASAP.

Instead he left, and he didn’t leave for a HC gig, he left because there were problems between he and McDaniel, otherwise why leave? Given that, and given the high number of people who have had problems with Mishandles, at what point do you start to look at Joshy as the problem and not the solution?!?

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 19, 2010 11:09 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't like McDaniels, but you're right.

I guess sometimes I can’t help but be a fan even for a team a I’m not a fan of. If I were a Broncos fan or a Bills fan, I would be severely pissed and I guess I just channeled that.

by John Morgan on Jan 19, 2010 12:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Or fellacial.

Or fallacious.

On second thought, considering he meant “beneath you” rather than “above you,” maybe it is fellacial.

by jacobstevens on Jan 19, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

WOW

That was maybe my first or second post since I signed up to fieldgulls earlier this week. And since I am new to blogs in general, I was not expecting anyone to pay attention to what I was writing.

Then came your outrage, whisky chainsaw.

Please allow me to turn the other cheek.

John Morgan, I have been reading your blog for a while. I must say that I respect your knowledge of football and passion for my Seahawks.

To clarify my opinions on Josh McDaniels would be irrelevant at this point.

Until then I would like to welcome the Arizona Cardinals to the offseason.

by Rundstrom on Jan 19, 2010 5:47 PM PST reply actions  

Welcome! And yeah, we pay attention!

I didn’t mean anything personal, and sometimes my words come across strongly. I promise you it isn’t personal, it’s simply the way I write. And I’m fine with people defending their opinion with support. But if your support isn’t strong, I’ll call you out on it.

However, I do hold onto the opinion that you HAVE to at least consider the fact that McDaniel isn’t the solution to the bulk of Denver’s problems, but possibly the cause… And I’m not going to give a free reign to him— prior to this he had proven nothing to me other than he interviews well and had a great coaching mentor. That will GET you a job, but you have to do the right things to keep it. Thus far, my humble opinion (similar to John’s) is that he’s done the opposite.

He’s basically joined a franchise that had been one of the most stable and consistent and competitive in the league, and since he’s gotten his hands on things it has become a circus. Players upset, coaches leaving, stars being traded or benched.

None of that is normal, and I refuse to believe it is because everyone in this shitshow is an egomanic BUT McDaniels.

Also Rundstrom, let it be known I absolutely rankle at the Broncos more than any other team. I’m actually packing my bags tonight, moving back to WA after 4 years in Denver… take a look here for more info on my perception of the broncos and their fans

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 19, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

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