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USC recruiting 2002-2009 pt2 WRs

Moved this to its own post, I'll edit up my RB post tomorrow during my lunch break and then maybe tackle TEs when I get home from work.

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2002 Mike Williams 6'5" 200
2002 Jason Mitchell 6'2" 195
2002 Chris McFoy 6'2" 185
2003 Whitney Lewis 6'1" 215
2004 Fred Davis 6'4" 210
2004 Derrick Jones 6'0 170
2004 Dwayne Jarett 6'5" 205
2005 Patrick Turner 6'5" 210
2005 Steve Smith 5'11" 190
2006 David Ausberry 6'4" 213
2006 Vidal Hazelton 6'3" 193
2006 Travon Patterson 5'8" 160
2006 Jamere Holland 6'1" 175
2007 Brandon Carswell 6'1" 172
2007 Ronald Johnson 6'0" 177
2008 Brice Butler 6'2" 178
2009 De'Von Flournoy 6'0" 178

History/Context
The 2001 USC WR depth as best as I can remember it was Kareem Kelly, Keary Colbert and pray that Palmer doesn't get picked. Colbert was a possession guy who blossomed in the Norm Chow system while Kelly was a track guy trying to play football. PC's first class included BMW, Jason Mitchell and Chris McFoy. Mitchell played sparingly his first two seasons before getting in regularly as a junior. McFoy redshirted and didn't really become a part of the offense until his junior and senior seasons where he became a solid #2/#3 guy from what I recall. Mike Williams caught 176 passes for over 2500 yards in his 2 brief seasons before getting double whammied by the NFL and NCAA and never recovering. He, like Bush, was one of those players that Pete kept trying to repeat during his tenure. Whitney Lewis was the first player in California HS history to rush and receive for over 1000 yards but he never caught on at USC and ended up transferring to Northern Iowa. Fred Davis was a mega hyped recruit who spurned his home town Buckeyes to come to USC, where he got bigger and struggled at WR. Showing his dedication and maturity he offered to switch to TE where he eventually grew into a star, winning the Mackey award his final season with USC. Derrick Jones practiced with USC 11 times but never attended a class and eventually ended up at Oregon. Dwayne Jarett was another big east coast recruiting steal and he over came some homesickness and unfair comparisons to BMW to go on and catch on of the most memorable passes in Trojan history before leaving a season too early for the NFL. Patrick Turner was a guy I remember always being disappointed in until his final season when he finally stopped being afraid of contact and learned to catch the ball. Steve Smith was and still is awesome. Ausberry was another big, tall receiver who for whatever reason hasn't broken out. Vidal Hazelton's dad never wanted him to attend USC and eventually got him to transfer away. Patterson is another track guy whose career has been set back by injuries. Holland transferred to Oregon. Carswell and Johnson are both speed guys, Carswell redshirted and started working his way into the lineup the last two seasons. Ronald Johnson struggled his first year (although in my head that was largely because Booty couldn't throw the ball deep enough to get it to him), did well his second and then lost most of 2009 to a colarbone injury. Butler saw a lot of field time this past season but seemed prone to drops.

Analysis/Patterns
Probably the first thing that will stand out here is how tall most of USC's WR recruits were. I think once PC struck gold with Mike Williams he kind of kept trying to hit that mark again. That being said, some of the "shorter" guys certainly played key roles. Keary Colbert and Steve Smith were just as important to the Trojan's offense as guys like Mike Williams and Dwayne Jarett. Another thing that stood out is from some of the profiles it seems like a lot of the biggers guys were not considered good route runners going into college. This seems like the kind of thing you can get away with more at the college level. That is playing a bigger, more athletic but less refined guy at WR because his athleticism will overcome his skills. I thought initially that the shorter guys would seem significantly faster than the big guys, but based on the raw 40 times posted on Rivals almost all of the receivers had 4.4 or 4.5 speed so its hard to say. Another thing to note is that the pass distribution at USC varied largely upon the players on the roster in a given year. For example in 2006 Smith and Jarett caught 71 and 70 passes while the next highest guy Fred Davis had 38. Whereas in 2005 Jarett had 55, Smith 42, Reggie Bush 43 and Dominque Byre (a TE) had 37. Or 2007 when the team leader was Fred Davis with 62 and Vidal Hazelton was second with 50 or even this past season where Damian Williams had 70 and Ronald Johnson who missed a large part of the season was second with 34.

How this applies to the current roster/draft prospects
I guess the number one thing I see when I look at the current Seahawks roster is that there is no one at WR over 6'2", and I have to believe that at some point PC is going to want a guy in the 6'4"-6'5" range. I could also potentially see him identifying Branch and Butler as sort of redundant. Branch is smaller than all but one WR he recruited to USC. Given overall needs I don't think that WR is gonna be a top priority, especially given the post Chow offenses that Pete had more input in seemed fine with throwing to backs and TEs. Don't be surprised though if you start seeing the Seahawks go after more big receivers though.

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good stuff sir. i look forward to the rb write up.

by sadface on Jan 20, 2010 4:22 AM PST via mobile reply actions  

I love your profile picture.

Also, please use the subject line (makes it easier for mods) and capitalize when appropriate, thanks.

by LantermanC on Jan 20, 2010 8:45 AM PST up reply actions  

BMW?

Big Mike Williams or something else? I never saw BMW defined.

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 9:19 AM PST reply actions  

Yeah sorry, old habit. Big Mike Williams was a nickname he picked up at USC

that had more to do with his height than his weight at that time.

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by bluemax on Jan 20, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

PC could be drooling over Dez Bryant but must resist the urge.

Or, maybe he likes his guy Damian Williams better? Someone like Mike Williams (Syracuse, 6’2", 212) has a tremendous skill-set if he can get his head screwed on straight. Brandon Lafell (6’3", 206) or Demaryius Thomas (6’3", 229) could be high on his WR wish list if he thinks that’s a priority. Scratch Jacoby Ford unless he’d make a good return man. I’d rather add a size/speed combo than a small speed-merchant. Depending on how the bigger guys run, we may already have that covered w/ Housh. I am curious who will play opposite him, knowing that Butler should work into the mix somehow (likely the slot).

Big receivers are a trend that I would like to see our team embrace. Jump-ball types like R.Moss, Colston, V.Jackson, Fitz, etc have added a dimension that can be hard to defend. Of course, halfway decent QB-play is a key factor for that to work.

I wish I could say I have a better understanding of how Schneider’s views will mesh with PC’s. Looking at the GB receiver profiles may or may not help. Knowing what happened at USC at least gives us possible ideas about the type of player(s) PC might favor. I"ve enjoyed this work so far. Thanks again.

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 9:41 AM PST reply actions  

Speaking just for myself

but I really like Brandon Lafell. Every LSU game I watched last year he seemed to make a play, and that was with a scattershot QB.

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by bluemax on Jan 20, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm getting the feeling that Carroll will say something like, "I want a large-bodied athletic WR"

and Schneider will go find him one. Looking at Green Bay position profiles might be pointless.

by zscratch on Jan 20, 2010 9:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Honestly

that sounds like a pretty reasonable way to do things.

by Bildo on Jan 21, 2010 6:10 AM PST up reply actions  

To which Schneider will respond:

TJ Houshmandzadeh wears number 84 for Seattle, Pete.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 21, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Nice work again on this.

Outside of Steve Smith, USC’s receivers have really struggled in the NFL, and I’m not sure what role Carroll’s coaching played into it. If, as you say above, he looked for big athletes, not necessarily good route runners, than it would explain a lot, and hopefully he will avoid that tendency in the NFL because our new young QB will get worked over with unnecessary INTs.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 20, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Jarett and Mike Williams both really needed another year in school

and Mike Williams had the whole year off thing which screwed him up too. Turner was a rookie who didn’t see the field much and McFoy and Mitchell were never really stars.

I do agree that the method for identifying WR Pete used at USC probably won’t translate directly to the NFL. The only thing I really expect him to carry over is his love of the tall receiver.

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by bluemax on Jan 20, 2010 11:23 AM PST up reply actions  

That would be my hope as well

It’s an example of “what works in college doesn’t always work in the pros”. The height thing, though, man could we use some more of that.

The WR situation at USC is interesting to me because it is the one area where he didn’t consistently sign superstars. RB, OL, QB, yes, even Havili at FB (who I would love in a Hawks uniform someday). Not WR. I wonder if he doesn’t value the position as much outside of height.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 20, 2010 11:39 AM PST up reply actions  

Almost all of these guys were big time recruits

McFoy was a 3 star, Mike Williams and Mitchell were 4 stars.
Whitney Lewis was a 5 star “Athlete”, Steve Smith was a 4 star “athlete”.
Fred Davis was a 5 star, Dwayne Jarett 4 star, Derrick Jones 4 Star.
Turner and Hazelton 5 stars, Ausberry 4, Patterson 3. Carswell 4, Ronald Johnson 5.

I don’t think they lacked talent at WR, I think just the nature of the play calling and other factors like maturity/bust rate played a role.

I think for his time Mike Williams was a star, and his future might’ve been different had he not tried to go pro early.

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by bluemax on Jan 20, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I was referring more to what they became rather than the HS rankings

But you’re right, he did pursue what was considered to be big-time talent.

I’ve never quite understood what happened to either Mike WIlliams or Reggie Williams (same time frame). Both had all the talent in the world, and both were huge busts.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 20, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Mike Williams, from what I remember, was just too slow.

Obviously he was playing for lousy teams, too. That didn’t help.

by djafrot on Jan 20, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah there were big concerns about his speed

he also tried to piggyback on Mo Clarett’s lawsuit to get into the NFL early, and when that went down he tried to get the NCAA to let him back in and of course they dicked him around for a few months before saying no.

He then had to sit out a year which supposedly he spent trying to get faster. He went to the Lions who already had two other first round draft choices so he didn’t play much and then ended up getting hurt. His career went down hill from there.

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by bluemax on Jan 20, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Plus this recruiting class...

If you go look at the scout.com list, overall prospects nos. 3 and 4 are both receivers, and guess where they’re both going?

I know those are Lane Kiffin’s recruits now, but they both committed under Pete’s tenure.

by busplunger on Jan 20, 2010 3:28 PM PST up reply actions  

PC likes big WRs, but even he must see the bust rate of his WRs in the NFL.

Hopefully this is a sign to him that big isn’t necessarily better in the pros.

Also, what are the chances Pete Carroll does a I’m a PC commercial now that he works for Paul Allen?

by LantermanC on Jan 21, 2010 8:08 AM PST reply actions  

Makes a nice combo.

Carroll’s weak at identifying NFL WR talent which is arguably Schneider’s biggest strength.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 21, 2010 3:40 PM PST up reply actions  

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