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Brian Price at 40

Brian Price

Birthday: April 10, 1989

Position: Defensive Tackle

Height/Weight: 6'2"/290

College: UCLA

College Stats: 75 tackles, 22 assists, 41 tackles for a loss, 7 assists for a loss, 12.5 sacks, 5 forced fumbles, 3 passes defended, 1 interception, 1 blocked kick.

My take: Brandon Mebane excelled for two seasons as Seattle's starting over tackle. The Chicago Bears and Indianapolis Colts have each sought a player of Mebane's type and ability for many years. He's the rare talent that can attack a gap but still force a double team and a perfect fit for any team that wants to run a disruptive, Tampa 2-style system. Jim Mora prioritized stopping the run and so Seattle shifted Mebane to under tackle and imported Colin Cole. The move exposed some of Mebane's limitations like agility and quickness shedding blockers. It also exposed a leaner Mebane to double teams typically reserved for run stuffing, 320+ pound defensive linemen. His production declined and though he was still among the best players on Seattle's defense, 2009 was Mebane's worst season as a pro.

The move achieved what Mora wanted, but failed anyway. Seattle squashed runs up the middle, outperforming even the Williams wall, and ranking 4th overall in Football Outsiders adjusted line yards on runs behind the center-guards. However, to achieve this modest feat, Seattle sacrificed interior pass rush and by doing so, severely damaged their overall defense.

The Seahawks are likely stuck with Cole for another season because of his contract, though given his stature and the likelihood of more teams transitioning to a 3-4, he could be traded. Barring that, he is a semi-valuable rotational tackle that could resume his center stopping ways in obvious rushing situations.

Seattle started the season absolutely stacked at defensive tackle. It had decent starters in Mebane and Cole, good situational players in Craig Terrill and Cory Redding, and a couple rookie prospects in Michael Bennett and Derek Walker. It lost Walker and Bennett, will likely lose Redding, could move or cut Terrill and certainly should replace Cole. That makes defensive tackle a need position.

Defensive tackle is very important -- perhaps paramount in importance among defenders in a 4-3. Tackles are the heart of a run defense, and for the very few that are capable, perhaps the most disruptive pass rusher a defense can have. Gut pressure arrives more quickly and is harder to evade or game plan against. It also aids edge pressure and can force sacks and bad throws. The range of ability among defensive tackles further supports their value. Many good professional defensive tackles contribute little to the pass rush. The few that can, like Albert Haynesworth and Kevin Williams, provide the core of a great defense for years to come.

Seattle is a significant step towards that goal, but until it pairs Mebane with an equal or near-equal talent, he will be quieted with consistent double teams. We're in luck.

The upshot of a great class is that the teams that miss out on the top tier talent are still very likely to find special talent later in the draft. It happened with Terrell Owens, Bobby Engram and Marvin Harrison in the 1996 draft. Keyshawn Johnson and Terry Glenn headlined, but their presence atop draft boards forced other worthy talent into later rounds. It happened last year, when after Aaron Curry, Brian Cushing and Clay Matthews were selected, James Laurinaitis, Rey Maualuga and Kaluka Maiava, among others, fell.

It should happen in this defensive tackle class, where after Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy are selected, other defensive tackle prospects should slip. Specifically, Suh and McCoy should be drafted by 4-3 teams, and nose tackle types like Dan Williams and Terrence Cody should be selected by 3-4 teams. That means Price is battling for the top spot among the second class of 4-3 tackles and because of that could easily fall into the second if not farther.

There's plenty of talent behind Suh and McCoy, enough that a patient front office could wait and pick someone like Geno Atkins, Earl Mitchell or Lamarr Houston and still get value, but between Suh and that final tier is a group of defensive tackles of great talent and ability. And no tackle looks half as good as Price.

The Bruins went 4-8 in 2008 and 7-6 in 2009 and so Price's contribution show up as tackles for a loss, but for a defensive tackle especially, the skills are largely the same. Price was ranked fourth nationally in FBS, i.e. D1 college football, in tackles for a loss per game. UCLA had little line talent and Price became a focus for opposing coordinators. His weight makes him strictly an under tackle, but his huge contributions at such a young age give him potential nearly equal Suh or McCoy. He's over a year younger than McCoy and over two years younger than Suh. That means, accounting for surrounding talent and age (Suh had one sack and six tackles for a loss his age 20 season; McCoy had 11 and 6.5), Price has done more with less.

If you watch him, it's obvious how. He's MeBeastly.

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HOly cow

He’s just demolishing those Tennessee guards.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 20, 2010 5:22 PM PST reply actions  

Well, if the Price is right...

Alright sorry. If we’re sticking 4-3, then I love the idea of adding another DT. Let’s do it, him or Alualu. Commence thinking up a nickname for Price, and more specifically for Price-Bane. I got…Baneman and Problem. Get it? Like Batman and Ro…fuck.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 20, 2010 5:24 PM PST reply actions  

MeBrian...?

Yeah that’s a tough one.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 20, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

ME! BANE! PRICE!

2010 Seahawks Goals: Master the forward pass, sack the QB, and knock Arizona off their perch.

by SSreporters on Jan 20, 2010 5:27 PM PST up reply actions  

Mebane...Price....

Mice? Prebane? Why can’t this guy have a name more efficacious in producing a dynastic moniker?

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 20, 2010 5:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Brindon Prepane.

2010 Seahawks Goals: Master the forward pass, sack the QB, and knock Arizona off their perch.

by SSreporters on Jan 20, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Anagrams!

Embrace Pine
Manic Beeper
Menace Be Rip
Mace Be Ripen
Acne Beer Imp
Panic Beer Me
Can Be Empire
Name Be Price
Pane Be Crime
An Ember Epic

by Nate Dogg on Jan 20, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

It needs to roll off the tongue

like ’Tats" or “Pistol”. We have “The Bane of QBs” and ’The Price of Passing", we should be able to chisel something out of that material.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 20, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Sorry

still think Tatupu and Mebane’s anagram of Butane Team Up is better.

by Trepidation on Jan 20, 2010 9:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be happy with Price at 14

I have a hard time seeing him fall to 40.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 20, 2010 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

My thought as well

most of the mocks I am seeing now have him late 1st, I doubt he drops much from there without getting arrested or something.

by FizzleDrip on Jan 20, 2010 5:59 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I don't

but again, deep drafts tend to force the middle back.

by John Morgan on Jan 20, 2010 6:02 PM PST up reply actions  

He doesn't seem like middle talent

I haven’t watched a ton of McCoy but is he really that far behind?

by Nate Dogg on Jan 20, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I think so, yeah

He’s limited to a 4-3 and is a bit undersized.

by John Morgan on Jan 20, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I doubt it

I would be really shocked if he made it pass the first round. He is just that good

by cthunder on Jan 21, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

We have too many other needs

and I am sure we can find someone in free agency.

Spring cleaning has started early this year!

by Generzal Zod on Jan 20, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is why you don't take him at 14.

But if he’s still there at 40, most likely he’s the best talent available and you take him regardless.

Also a die-hard Hawks fan.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jan 21, 2010 12:12 AM PST up reply actions  

DT is the biggest need on defense

And our defense was ranked 25th in yardage last year- the same as our offense.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 1:44 AM PST up reply actions  

If he ends up as the consensus #3 DT that fits a 4-3 defense...

I also don’t see him falling to #4. Then again, a guy who is probably a far lesser talent like Sen’Derrick Marks went 62nd overall. It’s possible but I don’t think it’s likely.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 9:42 PM PST up reply actions  

*#40

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 21, 2010 9:45 AM PST up reply actions  

Gadzooks!

Clausen
Spiller
Price

If it goes down anything like John has scouted, I’ll be happier than a puppy with two peters.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 20, 2010 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

I have some liking for Dan Williams

Is he almost forced into being a NT due to his size?

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 20, 2010 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

And skill-set I guess.

Suppose I answered my own question.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 20, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

There's been some speculation (Sando) that the a shift to the 3-4 is still in play.

If that happens, Brian Price becomes somewhat redundant. Is there a Brian Price analogue (talent + schematic fit + approximate draft availability) at end?

by abender20 on Jan 20, 2010 6:34 PM PST reply actions  

I would think that the description of Price

might make him a good 3-4 end as well.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 20, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

That's an interesting thought.

Mebane surely would be a good 3-4 DE.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

not surely

most successful 3-4 DEs are a lot taller than Mebane with longer reach to handle the OTs. He’s probably limited to the inside DT positions.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Jan 21, 2010 12:32 AM PST up reply actions  

That was mentioned at Schneider's presser today.

I linked to it in the other thread (the 3-4 being considered ‘but it’s still early’)

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 9:43 PM PST up reply actions  

That speculation comes from Carroll in today's presser specifically saying that they are considering it.

"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch

by crushedoptimist on Jan 20, 2010 11:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Yes please.

I wanted a DT at 6. I will definitely settle with this guy … he looks beaaastly

6/14/40. Sweet.

by Nick Andron on Jan 20, 2010 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

It's hard to tell until the Combine

It really depends on what he does there and the battery of tests that are very similar to alien abduction.

Spring cleaning has started early this year!

by Generzal Zod on Jan 20, 2010 6:43 PM PST reply actions  

Remember guys 12 times this year we didn't score 20 points

as opposed to the 11 times that we have 20+ scored on us.

Spring cleaning has started early this year!

by Generzal Zod on Jan 20, 2010 6:47 PM PST reply actions  

The offense has to be rebuilt, there's no question.

But that’s no excuse to ignore the defense, especially as the defense is very close to being a strength. Just look at the Bears. They let their defense atrophy to the point that they now need a full rebuild.

by abender20 on Jan 20, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

that was a special defense

a complete package – incredible linebackers (beyond Urlacher we got it) 4 DT’s that could come in and out, 4 DE’s for passing and running, 3 great corners, and safeties. It close to being a good defense but it isn’t going to be that kind of defense yet.

Spring cleaning has started early this year!

by Generzal Zod on Jan 20, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I would say look at the Jets...

They prove that you can have a barely adequate offense if the defense is a dominant strength, and still compete.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 20, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

and honestly our defense wasn't good

It could never get off the field and those blow outs were the result of 3 and outs.

Spring cleaning has started early this year!

by Generzal Zod on Jan 20, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2010/1/20/1254004/brian-price-nfl-draft-scouting

That is Mocking the Draft’s analysis on Brian Price.
It definitely stood out to me as well that when he doesn’t get initial burst, he struggles to shed blocks.

But Mebane+Price=Success.

by killacamkilla2 on Jan 20, 2010 6:57 PM PST reply actions  

"writing off" I'm guessing you mean.

But I was thinking the same thing myself. Is he destined to be a situational guy?

by djafrot on Jan 20, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Bryant has shown flashes of being very good, but it has been only flashes and quite inconsistent.

Also, the team’s depth at DT is Mebane and Bryant. That’s basically it. Having rotatable depth at DT is a good thing.

by abender20 on Jan 20, 2010 8:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Price=Mebane

It seems that Price is virtually a Mebane clone. They appear to bring the same set of skills. My question is would you want two very similar players at DT?

by rrenner07 on Jan 20, 2010 7:58 PM PST reply actions  

This was my impression, as well.

We need a dominant 3-tech or a monsterous NT to play next to ‘Bane if we stay 4-3. I prefer adding a 3-tech disruptor, but Price does seem awfully close to Mebane’s makeup, if a bit weaker in his lower body.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Price does play the 3-tech.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 20, 2010 9:59 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't know if Price would fall to #40

His average mock draft position is 29.5, and that list includes players who went back to school like Jake Locker, so its really lower. Guys like Kiper and McShay consistently put Price in the teens, and some credible mocks even have him breaking the top 10.

That’s ok though, because Price is deserving of the hype and worth taking at #14, and in my mock, that’s where I took him. If he fell to #40, I’d shit my pants and flip out.

by kearly on Jan 20, 2010 8:05 PM PST reply actions  

It's too early to tell, and it's just speculation,

but I’d be more surprised that Price was available at 40 then I would be that he was already gone by 14.
Besides his average mock draft at 30, most of those, like you said include guys like Jake Locker and Ryan Mallet, so that should average him a few spots higher. Not only this, but some of those mocks are old, and Price is a guy who has been on the up and up in the past month, and for good reason. If he played for USC, he would have already been rated highly, but for whatever reason, people are only realizing now that he’s a top 15 talent.
Obviously Kearly, Carl, and I are really high on Price, but I’m starting to wonder if we’re too high and overvaluing a DT’s impact. I’m thinking no, that a Brian Price would help our defense even more than an Eric Berry (blasphemy!), but I wonder if we moved to a 3-4 if Dan Williams next to Mebane wouldn’t be equally as effective (Sort of like Ngata lining up at end next to whatever their other big fat guy’s name is)?

by LantermanC on Jan 21, 2010 8:05 AM PST up reply actions  

The only way Price would have lasted til 40 is if he had gone undiscovered

Well, the cat’s out of the bag. He’ll be a top 25 pick.

I’m hopeful that Price will reach #14, although if people start to realize he’s not far behind Suh/McCoy, he could become a top 10 pick. Something that works in our favor is that there are only three 4-3 teams between #6 and #14: Cleveland, Oakland, and Jacksonville- and all three of those teams are in the top 10. Of those three, Oakland is the most strongly linked to Price but he’s not their #1 choice- and Al Davis is always crazy with that first pick so I feel decently safe about him getting through.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions  

clarification

Cleveland is currently a 3-4 team but most people expect Mike Holmgren will make the switch to the 4-3 since its what he’s comfortable with.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 4:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Jacksonville

Do they pick 10th or 11th? Walterfootball says 10th but Rang and Kiper say 11th.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 5:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Another thing is, and this is just my opinion

Everyone says this is a defensive line draft- and they are right. However, that begs for clarification. The DE class is very deep, with guys that would be 1st round prospects most years expected to be 2nd rounders this year (guys like Greg Hardy and Brandon Graham). The DT class is one of the best ever at the top, but quickly falls into mediocrity. In my view, for a 4-3 team, there are two elite prospects (Suh, McCoy), one near elite prospect (Price), and one solid 1 tech prospect (Dan Williams).

After that, the best remaining guy is Jared Odrick, who will probably be a late 1st pick but really shouldn’t be. I watched tape of him and he really struggles to wrap up tackles and is has very bad run awareness (and its not as if he’s a stud pass rusher). If I was grading him, I’d give him a 3rd round grade. The dropoff from Price to Odrick is really huge in my opinion, and even Odrick doesn’t reach #40 in most mocks. AluAlu is pretty average in my opinion, doesn’t have glaring weaknesses or strengths and I could be wrong but I think he played DE on a 3-4 defense. I could make this post really long, but in my opinion, this ceases to be a great DT class the moment Price is drafted, which could be pretty early since Suh and McCoy figure to both be drafted in the top 3 if not top 2.

by kearly on Jan 20, 2010 8:25 PM PST reply actions  

Also, Price and Mebane are real life buds

who went to the same high school. Price asked Mebane for advice when USC’s linemen cut blocked Price into oblivion early in his UCLA career. Price’s father coached Mebane at their high school.

And they both wear #92, which I’m starting to think isn’t a coincidence.

by kearly on Jan 20, 2010 8:27 PM PST reply actions  

Well, he has ties to Seattle...

Since he used to be the M’s pitching coach.

by Kryten on Jan 21, 2010 11:26 AM PST up reply actions  

No wait-- that was Bryan Price.

I suspected they might not be the same guy. Never mind.

by Kryten on Jan 21, 2010 12:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm very glad you went and looked up Brian Price and did a piece on him, John.

It was just two days ago, that I mentioned that it was time to give him a look. I even used the same youtube link that you provided.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 20, 2010 10:00 PM PST reply actions  

This post has me in love

with Brian Price. I know it is the highlight reel, but man the guy gets after it. In fact sometimes he blows into the backfield so fast that he loses his balance. A very disruptive force. He needs to wrap up some more tackles, he seems to have a few whiffs like Brian Russell, but this is a big guy charging through a big line so I guess the comparison isn’t the same. I like this dude.

by Surf Hawk on Jan 20, 2010 10:04 PM PST reply actions  

According to Sporting News, Vince Wilfork is a UFA regardless of a new CBA or not.

Of course he would cost a fortune, but that would be a big add if we went 3-4. He’d be a monster next to Mebane in a 4-3, as well. NE could Franchise him (again?).

Even so, I would probably favor a cheaper, younger alternative. Price might be that guy. I’m not convinced he’d be the best 3-tech, yet, though.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 20, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

OH!

I’d be all over that. I wanted him since WAYYYY back when he was in college. He was my Patrick Chung of 2004. If the Seahawks were to seriously transition over to 3-4, I’d be very, very comfortable if they did so with him on the roster.

Of course, I wouldn’t be surprised if the Patriots were able to sign him before he hit the market or used a tag on him (they can use up to 3 tags for their entire team).

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 20, 2010 10:38 PM PST up reply actions  

But then, with John Schneider around..

I’m very willing to bet that the Seahawks are more likely to go with the younger, cheaper option, and rely more on what they’ve found in the draft.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 20, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Just my preference

But I’d rather add a 3 tech DT so we can move Mebane back to the 1 tech, though I certainly think a Wilfork-Mebane tandem would be pretty solid.

by kearly on Jan 20, 2010 10:40 PM PST up reply actions  

John, not sure you timed this intentionally, but KC Joyner did a writeup on Price today as part of his draft lab series

and the data and his conclusions were VERY interesting. First, in the 5 games he scouted of Price, his point of attack win rate vs. the run was an elite 35.1% (vs. Suh 35.3%). He also negatively impacted pass plays (sack, tip, QB rush, holding penalty, etc…) at a 13.4% rate (vs. Suh 13.2%). However, Price was only in on 73.5% of snaps while Suh played 97.6%. Joyner concluded this might mean a durability issue for Price. In my mind it could simply be that UCLA believed in rotating tackles to keep them fresh. In any case, when on the field Price numbers are comparable to Suh’s and frankly better than McCoy’s. At least based on the 5 games scouted (7 games for Suh). Joyner concludes Price may well go mid 1st round (crack the top 10?) and be in the top-tier of DT’s with Suh and McCoy rather than slipping to the second and third round with the next tier.

by diehard82 on Jan 20, 2010 11:22 PM PST reply actions  

All of that said

I love the value of Mebane’s contract almost as much as the talent he displays and would love to see us strike gold again. If not Price at 14, then Lamaar Houston or Tyson Alualu in the 3rd round, That’s why I’m adament that we need to find a way to get back our missing 3rd round pick.

by diehard82 on Jan 20, 2010 11:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Alualu will probably be there in the 4th

Once Odrick’s gone, there is a real glut of DT prospects that are really close in talent (like Houston) and could go in any order.

I’m not against drafting Alualu, but I think he’d be pretty average in the pros. Looks smallish for a DT and has kind of a finesse play style- he never dominates and just seems to play smooth, smart football with decent but not great results.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 1:38 AM PST up reply actions  

I hope he goes to a 3-4 team

Everything about him: his moderate size, smarts, lack of domination against interior lineman, finesse- it all points towards a good career as a 3-4 end whereas he’d probably be a backup as a 4-3 DT.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Awesome

So we do:

6 Okung
14 Spiller
40 Price

Love it.

by Pete_ on Jan 21, 2010 2:21 AM PST reply actions  

Okung is garbage.

And a poor fit for Alex Gibbs’ system. I would almost hazard a guarantee that the Hawks won’t take Okung with any pick in the draft. If this year’s Russell Okung had entered last year’s draft he would project to be around the 5th OT taken. That’s second round material in an admittedly frontloaded OT class. I’ll pass on spending a top ten or a top fifteen pick on him.

by Bildo on Jan 21, 2010 6:05 AM PST up reply actions  

Selvish Capers

That’s who I’d suspect Gibbs is having Carroll and Schneider take a good long look at. He and Charles Brown are the two top OTs in this class that are the sub-300 lb, agile, quick guys that Gibbs uses as zone blocking tackles. With Brown likely either a huge reach at 14 or gone @ 40, I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Capers is taken in the 2nd.

by SeahawksFanInNY on Jan 21, 2010 7:42 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

But I think that with the #14 pick in the draft, I think that one could be used to trade back into the 20’s range and select Brown if need be.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 21, 2010 7:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I really like Capers

He’s raw but is already dominating as a pass blocker despite that. I’m not sure if he’d be capable of starting as a rookie (though I shouldn’t doubt Gibbs’ talents), but I’d say Capers is one of the more intriguing mid-rounders right now.

He’ll probably go late 2nd to 3rd round. If the team really wants him, they should trade down from #40.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Capers fan here too. Obviously I love Charlie Brown quite a bit more,

but if we opted for Capers by trading back in the 2nd, I would not complain one bit.

by LantermanC on Jan 22, 2010 8:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I wouldn't say Okung is garbage

But I do have some serious concerns about him.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 21, 2010 7:45 AM PST up reply actions  

My use of the term garbage is a bit sensationlist

but I still think he’s probably the most overrated prospect in this year’s draft.

by Bildo on Jan 21, 2010 11:03 AM PST up reply actions  

I think I'd be pretty surprised to see Price at #40.

He’s considered the best 4-3 DT after Suh and McCoy.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 21, 2010 7:44 AM PST up reply actions  

It's January

And Mel Kiper is retarded.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 21, 2010 12:59 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I agree about Mel...

but I dispute the rest of your statement.

by Kryten on Jan 21, 2010 2:49 PM PST up reply actions  

But seriously...

I’ll give in on the “It’s January” assertion as well.

In my opinion, it wouldn’t be bad to take him if Claussen, Bradford, Suh, McCoy, and Berry are all gone.

Mel is a TV personality, not a draft expert. More like a draft evangelist, with that hair…

by Kryten on Jan 21, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I probably should have been more constructive.

I should have “Don’t sweat it. It’s still pretty early and FA+Combine+Scouting will change a lot perspectives. Plus Mel is a sensationalist and just wants to generate conversation.”

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 21, 2010 4:30 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

While I agree with DJ that Mel Kiper is retarded

Derrick Morgan with the 6th overall pick would not surprise me.

Pete Carroll said we need to improve our pass rush. Derrick Morgan is the best pass rusher in the class, and he’s relentless. His pass rush repertoire is, according to Draft Lab, has about the same number of moves as Patrick Kerney’s and Jared Allen’s. If we could get a dominant pass rusher as either of those two, I think you have to take a long hard look at it.

by Trepidation on Jan 21, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay, this is his full list

   1. Rams – Ndamukong Suh, DT, Nebraska
   2. Lions – Gerald McCoy*, DT, Oklahoma
   3. Bucs – Eric Berry*, S, Tennessee
   4. Redskins – Sam Bradford*, QB, Oklahoma
   5. Chiefs – Russell Okung, OT, Oklahoma State
   6. Seahawks – Derrick Morgan*, DE, Georgia Tech
   7. Browns – Joe Haden*, CB, Florida
   8. Raiders – Anthony Davis*, OT, Rutgers
   9. Bills – Jimmy Clausen*, QB, Notre Dame
  10. Broncos – Dez Bryant*, WR, Oklahoma State
  11. Jaguars – Jason Pierre-Paul*, DE, South Florida
  12. Dolphins – Rolando McClain*, LB, Alabama
  13. 49ers – Trent Williams, OT, Oklahoma
  14. Seahawks – C.J. Spiller, RB, Clemson
  15. Giants – Carlos Dunlap*, DE, Florida
  16. 49ers – Earl Thomas*, S, Texas
  17. Titans – Everson Griffen*, DE, USC
  18. Steelers – Bryan Bulaga*, OT, Iowa
  19. Falcons – Sergio Kindle, OLB, Texas
  20. Texans – Brian Price*, DT, UCLA
  21. Bengals – Aaron Hernandez*, TE, Florida
  22. Patriots – Ricky Sapp, OLB, Clemson
  23. Packers – Taylor Mays, S, USC
  24. Eagles – Navorro Bowman*, OLB, Penn State
  25. Ravens – Jermaine Gresham*, TE, Oklahoma
  26. Cardinals – Dan Williams, DT, Tennessee
  27. Cowboys – Bruce Campbell*, OT, Maryland
  28. Chargers – Jonathan Dwyer*, RB, Georgia Tech
  29. Jets – Golden Tate*, WR, Notre Dame
  30. Vikings – Patrick Robinson, CB, Florida State
  31. Saints – Jared Odrick, DT, Penn State
  32. Colts – Brandon Graham, DE, Michigan

by aerozeppelin on Jan 21, 2010 3:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Poor insider :(

Why do I pay money for you when I can find your content for free other places

by chrees on Jan 21, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

There's a loophole that I, abender, and others have found.

If you were an insider before, and you aren’t anymore, as long as you’re signed in, the insider content will show up still.

by LantermanC on Jan 22, 2010 8:14 AM PST up reply actions  

You are kidding

IT fail.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Jan 22, 2010 6:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I kind of disagree with this statement.
It should happen in this defensive tackle class, where after Ndamukong Suh and Gerald McCoy are selected, other defensive tackle prospects should slip. Specifically, Suh and McCoy should be drafted by 4-3 teams, and nose tackle types like Dan Williams and Terrence Cody should be selected by 3-4 teams. That means Price is battling for the top spot among the second class of 4-3 tackles and because of that could easily fall into the second if not farther.

I think because Suh and McCoy are certainly gone within the first four picks, that Price is more valuable since he’s essentially the best 4-3 DT when looking at teams with 3-4 DT needs.
Assuming Suh and McCoy go 1 and 2, both those players will not be drafted because of a need, but because they are BPA. After that, any team that wants a 4-3 DT will go for Price, and I have to think that some team will want him (every team but Chicago and Carolina would have a shot at him before 40 I believe).

by LantermanC on Jan 21, 2010 1:23 PM PST reply actions  

Chicago in particular

Must be kicking themselves for not owning the #10 pick right now. They’ve needed a DT like Price for ages.

by kearly on Jan 21, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

No.

They have Tommie Harris. The need a Tank Johnson type.

by John Morgan on Jan 21, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions  

That is what concerns me about him

On the one hand the pressure he provided helped make a play but he whiffed on a lot of tackles and I can’t seem to figure out why? I don’t think getting pressure matters as much in a league where the QB play is so good right now.

Give me an offensive line or give me death!

by Generzal Zod on Jan 21, 2010 5:25 PM PST up reply actions  

He whiffs on tackles because he's rather stout

and is clearly a bit stiff in his redirect. He’s a good football player but not a top ten pick by any means. His athleticism is adequate.

by John Morgan on Jan 21, 2010 8:37 PM PST up reply actions  

Is there a way to get our draft fan post back up?

There looks to be quite a bit of demand for it still and I know personally I miss it. Should we just start a new one?

by Nate Dogg on Jan 21, 2010 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

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