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Pete Carroll Coached in the Pac-10; The Completing Half of the Pistol-Quan Midget Corner Tyranny

It would seem obvious, but having not read it elsewhere, let me be the first to say:

Pete Carroll coached in the Pac-10.

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Arizona: DT Earl Mitchell, CB Devin Ross

Arizona State: DE Dexter Davis, LB Travis Goethel, OT Shawn Lauvao, WR Chris McGaha, WR Kyle Williams

California: DE Tyson Alualu, RB Jahvid Best, WR Nyan Boateng, OL Mike Tepper, CB Syd'Quan Thompson, WR Verran Tucker

Oregon: RB LeGarrette Blount, TE Ed Dickson, CB Walter Thurmond, S T.J. Ward

Oregon State: QB Sean Canfield, OLB Keaton Kristick

Stanford: TE Jim Dray, RB Toby Gerhart, OT Matt Kopa, DE Erik Lorig.

UCLA: OLB Kyle Bosworth, DT Brian Price,CB Alterraun Verner

USC: OT Charles Brown, C Jeff Byers, DE Everson Griffen, RB Stafon Johnson, S Taylor Mays, TE Anthony McCoy, RB Joe McKnight, G Alex Parsons, CB Josh Pinkard, CB Kevin Thomas, WR Damian Williams

Washington: DE Daniel Te'o-Nesheim

That's the preliminary list of Pac-10 Combine invites. I updated it with some common sense additions. I do not think Carroll will monomaniacally draft from the Pac-10 because USC played in the Pac-10, but having scouted and game planned against the above players, Carroll will know them as only a coach and enemy can know them: to the bone.

For instance, I've heard zero chatter about Syd'Quan Thompson. If you're looking for the completing corner that creates the Pistol-Quan Midget Corner Tyranny, Syd is your man.

Or, should Carroll believe Seattle needs to add size, he knows full well of Kevin Thomas's potential. Thomas might be as expensive as a phone call.

Best went from sensation to forgotten, but he's the closest equivalent to Felix Jones in this draft. He will make his career returning, receiving, running draws and off tackle, but a fine career can be made of that.

There's a ton of other interesting names. The Pac-10 won't define Seattle's draft, but it will inform it. I think we'll see at least four Pac-10 Combine invites drafted or invited to mini-camp. That's conservative. Seattle drafted three last year: Max Unger, Nick Reed and Cameron Morrah.

Three eastern powerhouses Carroll scrapped with should add at least another name.

USC manages to smack around Ohio State once a season. And here's why:

Ohio State: S Kurt Coleman, Thaddeus Gibson, K Aaron Pettrey, DT Doug Worthington.

Yes yes yes, it was close last year. Enjoy your moral victory, Buckeye fans. Don't sleep on Worthington. He looks like a 3-4 end if Seattle attempts that. I doubt they will, but it's at least in the conversation.

Notre Dame, of course.

Notre Dame: QB Jimmy Clausen, S Kyle McCarthy, C Eric Olsen, WR Golden Tate, OT Sam Young.

Hard to read McCarthy. Seems like Notre Dame produces a safety every season. Apart from Clausen and Tate, there's not much to see here. Apart from Clausen and Tate: Super Bowl XLIX Co-MVPs. Dame always produces NFL talent, but their depth is perennially awful. Thus, Charlie Weis, offensive coordinator.

Carroll prepared for these guy's before the 2009 Rose Bowl.

Penn State: Navorro Bowman OLB, QB Daryll Clark, LB Sean Lee, DT Jared Odrick, TE Andrew Quarless

Odrick has a nice physical package. His broad, thickly muscled frame seranades a scout's heart. You'll notice his football moves look form when he's on. You also might notice that he breaks more tackles than Barry Sanders.

 

He turned 22 New Year's Eve. Most likely a 3-4 end, and a project at that, but for a team that can stash and develop, Odrick could be an Aaron Smith type.

Most recently, Carroll faced Boston College in the prestigious Emerald Bowl.

Boston College: LB Mike McLaughlin, C Matt Tennant

Moving on.. I would also pay attention to Tennessee. The Kiffin-Carroll connection doesn't have to be strong for the two to share information.

Tennessee: FS Eric Berry, RB Montario Hardesty, OT Chris Scott, DT Dan Williams

I have no idea why one would want to draft Hardesty, but there you go.

It's an incomplete list but an important one. I not only expect Carroll to plunder the Pac-10, I would be greatly discouraged if he didn't.

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CGB consistently create great highlight videos

it can obscure the actual talent of the player though. Syd would certainly be the slower half of the Midget Tyranny.

by John Morgan on Jan 21, 2010 11:55 PM PST up reply actions  

Really?

I admit I haven’t watched too many Cal games this year or last. Probably 5 total.

 And I love great highlight vids, it’s only when they are used as scripture for talent (so to speak) that I get annoyed.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 22, 2010 12:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Truth is

some measure of overall athleticism is possible just by watching a highlight video, but any, any attempt at actual scouting is futile.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 12:06 AM PST up reply actions  

Exactly

I meant to convey the general idea that the sample size of a highlight vid is skewed in a number of ways, but my ability to convey information has been destroyed today. I chalk it up to Midterm studying.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 22, 2010 12:13 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm just bothered

Did you really just write:
“Odrick has a nice physical package”
I’m not judging or anything, but that might be taking scouting a little too far.

by stufr on Jan 22, 2010 4:08 AM PST reply actions  

I still really, really, really, really, really, really, really

Want Golden Tate.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 22, 2010 7:52 AM PST reply actions  

I'm on board

I’m a fan of unusual / ridiculous names

6/14/40. Sweet.

by Nick Andron on Jan 22, 2010 7:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Like Stylez P. White.

or that Captain guy on the Panthers. Or Sir Henry from Oregon State.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 22, 2010 12:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it's a different sport...

but I always like the name ‘Enos Slaughter’.

Mack Strong was excellent, too. Currently, Reggie Corner is an awesome name considering his position.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 8:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree

He is a playmaker. I think he is going to shoot up draft boards, but I would love to get him in the second.

by stufr on Jan 22, 2010 8:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Have you seen him play

He is all about seperation. His ability to make plays after he catches the ball is amazing.

by stufr on Jan 22, 2010 10:15 AM PST up reply actions  

"Separation"...

to me, at least, is not about Yards After Catch. Separation refers to how much space a receiver can get between himself and the defender in and out of his cuts throughout his route. They are not necessarily related, alhtough certainly a good YAC receiver could well get good separation too.

by Hawkdawg on Jan 22, 2010 10:27 AM PST up reply actions  

I should have added the word too at the end

He is all about seperation. His ability to make plays after he catches the ball is amazing too.
I only watch two games, so limited input, but he was very good at getting seperation on the short underneath routes and the deap crosses.

by stufr on Jan 22, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

He's not a #1

IMHO. But he could be an excellent slot guy. He doesn’t have the burning speed/size to really stretch the field, but he has excellent body control and sticky hands. He also runs precise routes and can get open against the zone. I’ve always looked at him as a Bobby Engram type player, someone who will get open and will catch the ball when you throw it to him. I really like him, Butler and Housh as the three wideouts. It gives a lot of options in speed, size and route running.

by Fightfightfight on Jan 22, 2010 12:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I think that fact will keep him down somewhat in the draft too. He should be a third rounder, but I have a feeling he will end up in the mid/top of the second.

by stufr on Jan 22, 2010 1:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Have you ever seen him play?

At all?

I mean, did you only read what draft sites have said about him, or did you actually watch him critically and come to opine on him?

I’ve seen him play tons this year. He’s got the tools and ability to be a #1. Whether he does or not, is not relevant unless he’s drafted to be a #1.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 22, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the way Shipley runs and plays, but I would take Tate over Shipley any day of the week.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 22, 2010 7:37 PM PST up reply actions  

You're an avowed Tate fan

Allow others to have other opinions.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure I did.

Don’t know how anywhere in my post indicates that I’m not letting him have one. If that was the impression you got, I apologize, but that wasn’t the intention whatsoever.

I was merely trying to express my own preference.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 22, 2010 11:43 PM PST up reply actions  

.
Have you ever seen him play?

At all?

I mean, did you only read what draft sites have said about him, or did you actually watch him critically and come to opine on him?

by John Morgan on Jan 23, 2010 1:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Now I see where you're coming from.

You replied to my own reply to Seahawksfan23, which confused me. Now I see you’re comments are referring to my reply to GTSmookie.

I still see nothing wrong with my post. How is it that I’m not letting GTSmookie not have his own opinion? All I did really was ask him questions.

I’m not challenging you or anything. I really want to know. This way, I can be more alert and not make the same mistake.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 23, 2010 9:55 AM PST up reply actions  

The way you phrased that reply made it seem as though,

if he actually watched Tate at all, that it is highly implausible for him not to share your opinion. Maybe that’s the beef John has there.

On a Tate-related note, he was all over the field against UW. I remember commenting how good he looked but my Husky-fanatic girlfriend scowled at me and said I wasn’t allowed to compliment the other team.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 23, 2010 10:23 AM PST up reply actions  

I know highlight films are a joke but SydQuan looks to have some speed, cuts, jumps, sure tackling, and ball skills.

Anyone looked at him for a whole game? Is this just a highlight film marage or is he actually really good?

by UNplug on Jan 22, 2010 9:13 AM PST reply actions  

Hopefully he won't be here next year

But some “A” potential second year player from the Viks will be. And a third.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 22, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

No one believes me

But I think Carrol will snag LaGarret Blount if he’s convinced that the Oregon RB grew up and wised up over the course of the year. If we had a 3rd round pick we would for sure snag him in that round. I don’t think he makes it to the fourth round unless he acts like a douche at the combine interviews.

by Emperor_Doom on Jan 22, 2010 9:45 AM PST reply actions  

I actually wouldn't mind this pick up.

Maybe not a 3rd rounder but I like Blount. Besides we need more “dirtbags”

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 22, 2010 10:03 AM PST up reply actions  

Is Blount entering the draft?

I believe he has another year of eligibility, and if I were him I would stay at UO. James and himself have a great shot of carrying them to a National Championship game, and Blount could certainly raise his draft stock with a decent year next year.

by Fightfightfight on Jan 22, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Blount is a senior

Blount spent 2 years in Junior College and 2 with Oregon and already has is invite to the Combine.

The future is looking better

by eohawkfan on Jan 22, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions  

Ahem.

Odrick has a nice physical package.

;)

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 10:30 AM PST reply actions  

Some things I've also thought about:

1. I agree – Hardesty interests me about as much as James Davis did last year. 2. The quality of that Odrick video is the best I’ve seen (from Youtube). I’m hoping that’s a trend.

3. Are there geographical regions that Carroll plucked players from – or more importantly tried to (like Clausen) and said player went elsewhere? That is probably hard to track, but I wonder what regions he typically recruited outside the locality of USC/California.

4. I’m also curious about our Scouting department and if Schneider has his own schools or regions he might favor – Like last year when we discussed the Rutgers connection.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 10:37 AM PST reply actions  

Obviously USC had SoCal on lock down as far as talent goes

and he was able to get almost everyone he wanted on the west coast, but some of his bigger gets over the years were guys from out of state: Dwayne Jarett, Fred Davis, Taylor Mays, Keith Rivers, Mike Williams all of those were Midwest/Eastcoast guys except Mays.

Probably the one state USC never got a lot of talent out of was Texas. Emmanuel Moody is one of the few players I can think of off the top of my head who came from there. Also after Meyer went to Florida I think USC’s ability to steal talent from Florida fell off some.

Still PC was well known for being able to get talent from all over the country, despite the over abundance of players in SoCal.

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by bluemax on Jan 22, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

At first glance

I thought the “midget tyranny” was referring to Carroll and the oh-so-Hobbit-like Schneider.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 22, 2010 2:51 PM PST reply actions  

I was hoping Ras-I Dowling would have declared.

A tall corner is the order of the day. Playing 3 safeties to defend the pass, especially when one of them is Lawyer Milloy is not a good philosophy. Thank God for new coaches.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

I think the most important aspect of Syd'Quan Thompson was maliciously & deliberately overlooked.

He’s got dreads.

Seattle has never had one of these types of DB’s before. It seems like every good NFL defensive backfield must employ at least one predator. I think this is common sense. Shame on you, and your attempt to malign the dread-headed aliens amongst us.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 24, 2010 10:54 PM PST reply actions  

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