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Assessing Need: Offensive Tackle: We Need Some

Starters: Sean Locklear and Ray Willis

Depth: Brandon Frye

Extreme Depth: Max Unger

Rating Relative to the NFL: Well below average.

Locklear is an accomplished right tackle. Alex Gibbs could reclaim Locklear, but an under recognized part of how Gibbs reclaims an offensive line is that he recognizes under- and overvalued linemen. A frozen free agent market and Lock's recently signed contract extension means he makes camp, minimum. But don't be surprised if he doesn't enter September a Seahawk.

Willis might not be a perfect fit for a zone blocking system, but he's athletic for a big man and cheap. His recent run of good health shouldn't be sneezed at either.

Frye is the wild card. He suffered a stinger and was conveniently retained on IR. It's a little sick that traumatic injury benefits NFL organizations, but it does. I like Frye a lot. Given his total profile, I think if he can stick and stay healthy, he'll be the man to claim right tackle. He's a little squatty but very strong and impressively athletic.

You'll notice no one slots in at left tackle.

Locklear might stick, but Seattle will need to add depth regardless. That's a low-return/high-risk decision should Seattle make it. Locklear turned 28 all-a-sudden and will turn 29 weeks after the draft. He missed significant time in 2009 with injuries and seemed hobbled upon returning. Injuries have cost him games in three of his five years starting.

Seattle does not need to select a high profile left tackle in the first round. It doesn't need the complete package or next Joe'Shaw Jones. It would be nice should the right combination of value and fit present itself, but it's not worth over drafting for. Seattle has years before it will compete again. It does need to add a left tackle that can pass block at the NFL level. Run blocking and dominant pass blocking is optional, but when a team starts a turnstile at left, it might as well pull its quarterback.

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Boy, if Lockleard didn't make your shit-list...

I’m surprised you think so highly of Frye. I hope to get a better understanding of him at some point. Do you recall which games he started? I have most of the season on DVR – I’ll check him out. I remember him being adequate but probably best served as depth.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 10:53 AM PST reply actions  

He liked Frye from the giddyup as a good fit for a ZBS

and poor fit in Miami, where Parcells likes his linemen big and sloppy.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 22, 2010 10:58 AM PST up reply actions  

Seattle has to draft a tackle prospect who can at least compete for time

I don’t see any other way Seattle can reasonably acquire starter-capable talent without drastically overpaying on the open market (in a weak FA class). And who trades starter-capable tackles?

Seattle may be unwilling to reach in the first round on an OT, and bully for them if they aren’t, but my fear is people miscasting Gibbs’ as a miracle worker when really he’s just a great coach. He’s been good at implementing a system that makes efficient use of traditionally undervalued talent.

Well, it’s still talent… and it’s not as undervalued as it used to be.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 22, 2010 10:57 AM PST reply actions  

Who trades starter-caliber tackles?

Buffalo, but I’m pretty sure they are now out of those.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

Lol at buffalo...

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 22, 2010 2:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Don't underestimate Gibbs either

He’s a true innovator in the copycat NFL.

Just watch, he’ll create the first No-Left-Tackle Offensive Line. They’ll call it the No-T.

You’ll see.

I truly believe the Seahawks lured Gibbs to Seattle with the promise of OL priority in the draft and FA this year. This is the real guy with the power.

by Groundhog on Jan 22, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

That brings up an interesting question.

Several teams are using 6-man lines that feature 3 tackles most times. I wonder if we will adopt that? It’s be a fairly successful trend for the teams that use it: Baltimore and Cincy off the top of my head.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 6:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

It’s nothing novel. And it’s rarely worth it.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 8:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed++

But it’s been awhile – thanks largely to Walter Jones – that I remember seeing that much franchise desperation.

by lenert on Jan 22, 2010 9:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Although if Carlson's blocking regresses in spite of Gibbs...

Which makes me wonder – if Gibbs’ schemes utilize undersized linemen, how do his TE’s perform (blocking)?

by Groundhog on Jan 23, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I watched several Baltimore and Cincinatti games this season.

They made a compelling case for adding those types of wrinkles. I’m not so quick to dismiss it, but rather would like to learn more about it. Also, I wonder if anyone noticed the Texans run versions of it? I’ll review some of their games as I don’t recall. I’m sure FO will document some of it in the Almanac, but hopefully something sooner. I really think Baltimore and Cincinnati used extra-tackle lines and/or unbalanced lines successfully and it was a benefit.

by Misfit74 on Jan 25, 2010 10:32 AM PST up reply actions  

If this is true, I fear that Mike Iupati will be out of the picture.

GIbbs has a reputation for not playing linemen over 315 lbs, and that he monitors their playing weight throughout the year.

Sure, Iupati could lose some weight, but I doubt he’ll do that before the combine. It would affect his draft stock negatively if he were to lose weight. He weighs around 330.

However, Iupati is extremely athletic. Maybe Gibbs could fall in love with him.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 22, 2010 8:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Lupati profiles well for a power-blocking scheme.

I’m not sure he is a ZBS fit. Doesn’t mean I don’t admire him. Looks like he’ll be a monster, like a Leonard Davis type of guard.

by Misfit74 on Jan 23, 2010 11:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I guess I'm confused

Are you making the argument that since Seattle won’t contend for years, there’s no need to draft a LT in the first round this coming draft? Or ever in the first round?

And doesn’t the opinion “when a team starts a turnstile at left, it might as well pull its quarterback” thus support the argument of drafting a high-ranked tackle?

I’m all sorts of confused, here!

6/14/40. Sweet.

by Nick Andron on Jan 22, 2010 11:01 AM PST reply actions  

He's saying along with this class being relatively weak as compared to other recent classes,

not to overpay. This class is largely overvalued. There are those who contend that Okung (the highest rated OT on many boards) would have been a 2nd rounder in last year’s class. Just because it’s a need doesn’t mean we have to reach and reduce the value of our pick in a weaker class at least as far as first round talent goes.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

Frye was drafted by the Texans

where Alex Gibbs was the O-line coach. Just sayin’..

by Trepidation on Jan 22, 2010 11:28 AM PST reply actions  

He was also a raw recruit who has been given some time and opportunity

to build upon the tools that got him drafted in the first place.

by Bildo on Jan 22, 2010 11:36 AM PST up reply actions  

That could cut both ways for Frye -

Wiki shows Frye drafted in ‘07 and then Gibbs on Houston’s staff from ‘08-’09. So I don’t think Gibbs was part of the staff that drafted him, but he was part of the staff that cut him.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Jan 22, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Personally, I think LT is the only o-line need that really needs to be addressed.

I think the rest of the line is fine. Walter Jones says he’s returning, but I think it may play out to be a repeat of last year.
I’m not high on any of the top three tackles (Okung, Davis, Campbell) relative to their rankings (if they stay in the top 15), but if Bulaga or Charlie Brown should fall to the end of the 1st I would like to see us trade up (despite my noted disdain for trading up) and draft them.

by LantermanC on Jan 22, 2010 11:59 AM PST reply actions  

As for FA, I don't think any tackles are all that great with the exception of Marcus McNeil,

and I don’t know what he’s going to be paid, but if it’s anywhere near 7/49, then no thanks.

Also, I believe Alex Gibbs said he could turn an garbageman into a NFL guard. His choice of the word guard is interesting to me, as I think that an o-line in general as become overrated with the exception of a LT, and even so, I don’t think a top 5 LT is of utmost important.

by LantermanC on Jan 22, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

The o-line didn't get Hasselbeck injured this year.

Patrick Willis’s hit is on Hasselbeck. The INT he threw and then the shoulder he might have hurt tackling the guy is not on the O-line.

I can’t say this for certainty, but I don’t think Romo’s, Rodger’s, Schaub’s, and a bunch of other QB’s o-lines are much better than the Seahawk’s.

The only game I felt uncomfortable with our o-line was against Arizona at home, and that is an exception because we had a 4th string LT with an injured leg, and a 3rd string center starting a LG.

by LantermanC on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Our special teams line was fantastic on the fake punt.

2010 Seahawks Goals: Master the forward pass, sack the QB, and knock Arizona off their perch.

by SSreporters on Jan 22, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, Green Bay's OLine is significantly worse than Seattle's.

Rodgers was sacked 50 times this year while still throwing for better than a 2:1 TD:INT ratio. And 4000+ yards. And 65ish per cent completion. Rodgers is a stud.

by Bildo on Jan 22, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I was very bad at the start of the season / first half or so.

Then they added or got back Clifton and Tauscher and things really go better. Some of their younger guys were not ready to play with Clifton out injured and Tauscher I think retired or just unsigned up until that point.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 6:22 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah. I understand WHY

Green Bay’s o-line was so terrible, but the fact of the matter is that Rodgers still made Chicken Salad out of Chickenshit. If you get sacked 50 times and have a 30:7 TD:INT rate and a 64% completion percentage, I think that qualifies you for baller status.

by Bildo on Jan 22, 2010 6:25 PM PST up reply actions  

I agree.

He is the best young QB in football, IMO. The best QB under 30.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 6:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

And, go figure, he sat for a few years behind a savvy veteran. Well, a ridiculous magician veteran.

by Bildo on Jan 22, 2010 7:17 PM PST up reply actions  

We do know that he watched him prepare and play, though.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Same goes for Hasselbeck.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 22, 2010 11:56 PM PST up reply actions  

I wasn't saying Favre had anything to do with Rodgers' development.

Historically, however, QBs who are drafted and sit for a few years behind a veteran tend to do better than QBs who are thrown to the wolves from Day One. Rodgers and Hasselbeck are cases in point.

by Bildo on Jan 23, 2010 8:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Matt Ryan and Jay Cutler are points against that

I’d probably agree that quarterbacks that sit for a season or more perform better in their first full season but theres no evidence it effects their career overall.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 23, 2010 10:53 AM PST up reply actions  

Cutler sat the first half of his rookie season

debuting against the Hawks and looking pretty bad. Matt Ryan is a complete statistical anomaly and a total freak.

I heart Matt Ryan.

by Bildo on Jan 23, 2010 2:59 PM PST up reply actions  

But Cutler turned out just fine.

As did many other quarterbacks who started their first year.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 23, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

Like Peyton Manning

And I am pretty sure others. I thought we have gone over this here on Fieldgulls. But it is about the same if I remember correctly.

by Built2Spill on Jan 24, 2010 9:34 AM PST up reply actions  

If Mora had said "garbagemen"

Instead of “dirtbags”, he’d obviously still be the coach. So he should blame Solari (who has since left for the 49ers) for not providing him with a more acceptable metaphor.

It’s clear that with Gibbs, the Seahawks have officially entered teh big time.

by PerryCollective on Jan 22, 2010 1:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think Mora was fired for anything he said

Maybe you’re joking, and I’m a little dense, but if you’re serious…

I think fans were over-reacting to Mora’s statements. Winning coaches can say whatever they want. I’m sure Allen got sick of hearing his coach give pressers that failed to give people faith in the team, but press conferences aren’t why Mora was fired.

I think Mora was fired because through 16 games it appeared that everyone on his offensive coaching staff was reading from different playbooks, and Mora showed no signs of addressing that.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Jan 23, 2010 10:50 AM PST up reply actions  

I think PerryCollective

was making a joke about the whole dirtbags thing.

by Bildo on Jan 23, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

"when a team starts a turnstile at left, it might as well pull its quarterback.

I assume that’s just John being facetious.

I agree from what I’m reading the first-round OTs all look suspect. Charles Brown might be a good fit though. I don’t really care who, as long as they let Alex Gibbs pick the prospects he wants. We definitely need a couple new guys on the roster in May to compete at LOT.

We need to develop a young QB within the next few years; having a turnstile at LOT is not an option.

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Jan 22, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

QB with the first pick

LT with the second. DT with the third. Will make Mr and the newly christened missuscoffee very happy.

What? No SOUL?

by mrcoffee1969 on Jan 22, 2010 12:16 PM PST reply actions  

Wooo

Congrats. I announced my own engagement and wedding on Field Gulls. Approaching our second anniversary makes me realize just how long I’ve been doing this.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 1:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Congrats from me as well...

although I could see QB, DT, OT being a more beneficial ordering, as impact OL appears more likely to be available at #40 than does the same level of impact at DT.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 23, 2010 5:22 AM PST up reply actions  

If Walter is returning

then the Hawks are in a good position to pick up a cheaper LT to compete with FryLock for the heir apparent at LT. While Walter will inevitably break down at some point next year, there is no LT that deserves big money in this class. I’d like to see us go QB, DT/RB, LT in that order. That way we get good value for the OT, and the worst case scenario is we have more depth at OT, even if none of them is a superstar.

by Fightfightfight on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM PST reply actions  

It's not even some point

You just have the feeling Walt will be a turnstile come week 1.

2010 Seahawks Goals: Master the forward pass, sack the QB, and knock Arizona off their perch.

by SSreporters on Jan 22, 2010 12:48 PM PST up reply actions  

It would be foolhardy to depend on getting any production from Walter.

In fact, it’s nearly indefensible to continue paying him barring some miraculous showing of health.

by abender20 on Jan 22, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Regardless of Walt

I am very warm to that progression of draft picks. QB, DT/RB, LT. I would probably say something like, pick two of DT, RB, WR for 14 & 40, and then tackle in the third.

But yeah, no 3rd.

by jacobstevens on Jan 22, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Could Charlie Brown drop to 40?

I think so, never know until it happens though.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 22, 2010 12:36 PM PST reply actions  

It could

One of Brown or Black should be available at 40. Both would fit Gibbs system. I think Black is hugely under appreciated because the recent quality of the LSU offense.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Do you see the o-line class being deep enough that we could have a slew of talent

Reasonably being available at 40 outside of Brown/Black?

2010 Seahawks Goals: Master the forward pass, sack the QB, and knock Arizona off their perch.

by SSreporters on Jan 22, 2010 1:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't want to make sweeping statements this early in the process

I really haven’t scouted many players. I only think a team like Seattle should not fool itself into thinking it’s ready to compete and draft completing players that lack value.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 1:42 PM PST up reply actions  

This seems to be the common refrain around these parts.

If that is the truth, there’s no excuse for spending a high pick on a position that has a plateau of depth.

by abender20 on Jan 22, 2010 2:41 PM PST up reply actions  

I think beauty is in the eye of the beholder...

Small’ish, sub-300 pound linemen might seem like 2nd or even 3rd tier talent in a power blocking scheme, yet could be the perfect fit in another teams zone-blocking scheme.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 23, 2010 5:27 AM PST up reply actions  

Brandon Frye?

"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank

by Stevo's on Jan 23, 2010 10:59 AM PST up reply actions  

Will the Seahawks cut Walt

I could see the seahawks cutting Walt before the FA signing period to free up some money, but with an uncapped season looming maybe not.

by TrueHawkForLife on Jan 22, 2010 1:51 PM PST reply actions  

I think that's between Walt and Paul

I hope Walt decides to retire, but if he doesn’t, I think Allen might want to keep him on just so that he may retire a Seahawk.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 2:00 PM PST up reply actions  

That's my thought.

My mind is split on the issue though. I hate teams cutting guys who are legends for a team, but are washed up. I hate when teams don’t cut guys who are washed up, just because they were legends for the team. I just want him to retire, and I just want Hass to kick ass again. Kerney isn’t really a Seahawk, so I don’t care.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 22, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't read all the comments yet

But what about Damion McIntosh??

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 22, 2010 2:39 PM PST reply actions  

He was an emergency stop gap

that I do not think has a future with this team.

by John Morgan on Jan 22, 2010 2:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Looks like Williams was the Stopgap

  i think they let Kyle go at the end of the season. He isn’t on the roster at all. ( injured either). Right now, McIntosh is the ONLY backup Tackle on either side. WE do need some LTs and maybe a RT.

by BUSTINHEADS on Jan 22, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

That's what I thought

It’s gotten to the point where if we are even in the playoff hunt I will feel like we are competing.

by Big E-Z on Jan 22, 2010 8:05 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Makes sense.

There’s a reason why the Playoffs are called the second season. Anything can happen.

by Bildo on Jan 23, 2010 8:38 AM PST up reply actions  

Heh.

Though, to be fair, the Seahawks have been contenders for a while without winning much on the road. Even in 2005, a win on the road was like pulling teeth.

by djafrot on Jan 23, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I raised the question earlier in a reply, but here it is again:

Will we be able to employ unbalanced or extra-tackle (6-man) lines? Is that something Gibbs will want to do? It’s been a successful trend for a few teams, namely Baltimore and Cincy, and others.

Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

by Misfit74 on Jan 22, 2010 6:23 PM PST reply actions  

I'm no expert but

a 6 man line with 3 tackles sounds like more of a power line scheme than the typical finesse line that Gibbs favors. But I’m just guessing.

by Bildo on Jan 22, 2010 6:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I know it seems a bit early John

but are you going to do player retrospectives again like last year?

by Seahawksfan23 on Jan 23, 2010 10:28 AM PST reply actions  

Those ruled.

I’m going to shudder if/when he does Curry’s.

by Misfit74 on Jan 23, 2010 11:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure Curry's will be THAT grim.

Obviously he underperformed but he certainly showed flashes of why he was considered the best prospect of last year’s draft. From all accounts he’s a coachable kid so I think Carroll and Norton will be able to mold him into a destroyer of souls.

by Bildo on Jan 23, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm afraid Carroll will get Aaron too excited and pumped

to where he can’t think straight. Which is where his problem is in the first place. Once he becomes a better decision-maker and block-shedder it’s going to be awesome.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 23, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

True

PC has often had a hard time keeping his LBs from getting excited.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 24, 2010 2:08 AM PST up reply actions  

Haha that's..!

Not what I meant, but hilarious.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 24, 2010 9:21 AM PST up reply actions  

Especially since there could be a lot of turnover this season.

Or maybe we don’t want to waste John’s time on players that are destined to play somewhere else (or nowhere?)

by djafrot on Jan 23, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you people mental

First off sacks are only half the story of a offensive line ask favre he didn’t get sacked at all against the saints but he got hit all day long. The seahawks didn’t give up as much sacks as green bay but that is beacuse seattle uses short timing routs were greenbay looks for the long ball more also greenbay could actually run block un like the seahawks. I als beg to difer wheen you say the seahawks wont win for years that is rediculous first all indications are that warner is going to retire so that sets the cards back at least too games. The niners are good but we beat them once and had them beat the first time if haselbeck doesn’t get hurt. Let us also not forget we played the first 6 plus weeks with out trufant, we were missing tutupu most of the year, haselbeck missed several games and he did get hurt running but he was only running beacuse the protection broke down. If hte hawks can sure up the line and warner retires the seahawks should be able to win the division next year we have a great recieving core forsett is a stud that I guarantee carol will get on the field more and the defense will definetly bring more pressure carrol and his staff will have are linbakers blitzing from all over the field causing caos for uposiing quarterbacks. hawks win the division 2010 take it to the bank.

by legendKiller on Jan 25, 2010 10:48 AM PST reply actions  

Please be a little more focused.

John wasn’t saying that the Seahawks won’t win more than a few games for the next few seasons, only that it is unlikely that they will win the division or even make the wild-card until talent gets built back up and the coaching staff entrenched.

We’re about coherent and insightful discussion on this site, not brashly waving the Seahawks banner without regard for reason or realism.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 25, 2010 2:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree with the not brashly waving the Seahawks banner without regard for reason or realism.

That’s what leads to last year’s letdown. A lot of fans (me included) thought that 2008 was an anomaly because of the injuries the Seahawks dealt with. It turns out that it wasn’t such an anomaly. It’s hard as a fan not to believe that you’re team is going to be great next year, but you need to be able to step back and evaluate your team rationally. John does a great job of this.

by seattle_since_81 on Jan 25, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Im not brashly waving the seahawks banner

The seahawks have a great recieving core, the best line baking core in football, a top 10 tight end, and a top 10 definsive back, there ofensive ad defesive line need work though. You guys however are looking at the gloom and doom of seattle with out taking in to account some key points the first of wich is the weakness of the NFC west like I said earlier the Rams suck, The Niners are getting better but hardly elite, The cards are the best inthe division but the second match up between us and the cards this year was pretty close and Kurt warner most likely will be gone and how good will the Cardinals be then. You can’t have a discussion of the Seahawks future chances without looking at the competiton, You also need to remember the seahwks havent been healthy in the last to years we have know idea how explosive are offens can be if all things click. Im not sugesting superbowls are in our imediate future but the division title in this division is never out of reach and real fans always believe.

by legendKiller on Jan 26, 2010 11:49 AM PST reply actions  

A few things.

First, kindly proofread before posting.

Next, a top 10 defensive back? Who?

While winning a weak division would be nice, nobody wants to be a one-and-done postseason team. You wrote “You can’t have a discussion of the Seahawks future chances without looking at the competition”….frankly, this wasn’t meant to be a discussion of the team’s future chances. This was, as the title clearly states, an assessment of the OT position.

Finally, and most importantly, don’t EVER imply that members of this website are less than “real fans.”

by thebyron on Jan 26, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Afew things more

The top 10 defensive back I was refering to was marcus truffant. As for wining a weak division and being one and done I dont see it that way The core of the seahawks talent has many years left the deffense is fairly young with the exception of kerney also the offens has youth all over it including John Carleson, Justin forsett, Deon buttler, Nate Burleson, and Houzh. As for this not being a discusion of the team future chances that is intirely incorrect the author sited the fact that the seahawks wont be winning any time soon as the reason for not going after a line men in the first round if you actually read the article you would have read that part I’ll atach the quote from the article. Notice the part were it sais it will be years before we compete agian. As for winning a weak division and being one and done let me sight some examples of teams that sneak in and go on a run in the last 4 years there has been a team that was 10-6 or below that has one a playoff game and two wild card teams have won it all. 2005 there were two such teams also the steelers that won the super bowl as a wild card team you remember that don’t you, 2006 there was one our beloved hawks, 2007 there were two including the team that won the super bowl the giants as a wild card team, 2008 there were two, and 2009 this year there were two as well inclusing the jets that made the AFC championship game. The point being once your in your in and anything can happen asked the giants and the steelers. As for my comment about real fans log on to any blog about any team and you wont catch them talking about how there not going to win aytime soon it’s alright to be critical of your personal but it is another thing all together to say there not winning anytime soon were hawk fans the best in the NFL and were better than that. It was a hard year but I for one still believe in my team.

                                                              “The quote from the article”.

“Seattle does not need to select a high profile left tackle in the first round. It doesn’t need the complete package or next Joe’Shaw Jones. It would be nice should the right combination of value and fit present itself, but it’s not worth over drafting for. Seattle has years before it will compete again.”

by legendKiller on Jan 27, 2010 11:03 AM PST reply actions  

Rebuttals.

Trufant was certainly not a top 10 DB this season. If you ignore both the many penalties he drew and the eight games he missed he still wouldn’t be in the top 10.

Yes, the defense has some young key players, and the offense has some as well…but not all the ones you point out. Housh is 32, which is certainly not young for a WR. Burley will be 29 at the start of next season, which isn’t particularly young for a WR either.

John’s article, once again, was about assessing our needs at OT. Read the headline if you like. You’re taking issue with a single throw-away line which deals with the idea that the Seahawks are more than one year away from being a “good team,” a team that perennially contends. This has been discussed quite a bit elsewhere on this site (the most recent podcast goes a bit more in-depth) and quite honestly should not be that hard for you to accept. After the past two seasons it should be obvious that the Seahawks have a long road back to respectability.

Finally, I repeat my request that you proofread your comments before posting. We hope for, and expect, a higher quality of comment than most blogs. Breaking long paragraphs into multiple sections would also be appreciated.

by thebyron on Feb 1, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions  

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