Jordan Babineaux's 55 Plays on Completed Passes
Curious how others might interpret this. Babineaux has always struggled defending the pass. I often wondered aloud why Deon Grant was playing in the box, where his tackling skills are exposed, and Babineaux was playing deep, where his coverage skills are exposed.
This doesn't tell us how good Babineaux was at safety. He assumed Brian Russell's overseer zone, and part of the problem with Russell is the way Mora played him. Both players made a lot of clean up tackles of little value, because both were assigned deep, often in cover-1. Given the relative importance of passing and running, plus the increased risk of a run breaking long, how stupid is an eight-in-the-box strategy?
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I see that stat and my first thought is that the Hawks gave up a lot of short-to-medium passes, giving Babs ample opportunity to clean up.
Thanks, Tampa 2.
And I suppose this also speaks to what you talked about as well.
If Babs is the better of the two with respect to run stopping, you could cherry-pick this stat as defense. WIth Babs back deep and receivers making catches over the middle, that’s not all that dissimilar from run stopping at that point.
What's the difference between a stop and a play?
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Straight from FO
We count a play as successful (a “Stop”) if it prevents 40 percent of needed yards on first down, 60 percent on second down, or 100 percent on third/fourth down.
Stop is stopping the play from being successful.
I hadn’t seen FO use “play” before and it’s weird because it sounds like “making a play” like Babineaux ought to be DPOY, having made nearly double the number of highlight plays that guys like Ware, Allen, Taylor, Polamalu and Woodson make during their big seasons.
But I’m pretty sure it just means tackles. Tackling the player after a completed pass, 55 times. So as we all know with pass coverage, the higher this number, generally speaking the more it indicates something bad. Whereas the Deon Grant numbers, being in the top 10 for safeties, is actually a good thing. A barely notable good thing, and equally attributable to Mora scheme, as alluded, as Babineaux’s inflated numbers, but a good thing.
by jacobstevens on Jan 22, 2010 2:30 PM PST up reply actions
This is another of my can't understand positions
When we signed Deon Grant hadn’t he been a FS for the Jaguars?
Then moved to SS for Seattle. He always looked better at cover than in the box so why did they change him. Wonder if he’d appreciate a move back.
Would free up SS for a true inside guy.
If you want more of the peripheral numbers, try this link:
For example, Babs was thrown at 2nd most among all Safeties (that played a minimum 25% of their team’s snaps). Throw at 60 times: just one less than league leading Yeremiah Bell.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer
I think a big part of this is a lack of confidence in our CBs.
and thanks for that stats site, Misfit!
There is a lot of reasons for a stat like this. These ‘clean up tackles’ are the fault of players at multiple other positions, obviously. Primarily, I think choosing to use the FS as a ‘deep center fielder’ shows lack of confidence in your CBs to maintain coverage.
Losing our old shutdown CB, Trufant, disrupted Bradley’s plans for his D. Even when Tru came back, he wasn’t a shutdown CB. Lucas no longer had the speed he once had. Jennings is soft. Wilson was the only CB the coaches could count on.
Also, losing Lofa hurt shallow coverage in the middle. Hawthorne lacks those instincts, and Curry struggled learning to cover the TE.
Grant playing up helped our LBs. Sure, they are supposed to be the strength of the team, but injuries made that unit a mess and Grant was needed to help out in the box.
The result was a center-fielder FS running around cleaning up missed tackles and blown coverages. I think that fixing this will require a fix at all three levels of the D: we need a healthy Trufant or replacement with a shut-down CB; we need a healthy Lofa manning the middle; we need to let Curry focus on pass rush; and we need an effective pass rusher at RDE, probably someone taller than either Tapp or Reed.
Getting Lofa healthy and getting Curry over his rookie-itis can change the equation. Grant’s support in the box shouldn’t be needed so often.
One of the sulkiest stats in football would be to look at how badly a few key injures ruin the team’s ability to successful run the schemes they want. Its a sucky stat because there’s nothing anyone can do about it.
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You are correct in saying Curry really struggled to cover.
REALLY struggled to defend the pass. He allowed an 89% catch-rate to players thrown to with him in coverage. That is horrible . Thrown at 57 times and allowed the catch 51 times. Ouch. 4th-worst among all 4-3 OLBs that played at least 25% of their snaps.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer
That is pretty bad, but consider the circumstances.
It seemed to me like a good portion of those were short outlet passes that he stopped immediately or for little gain, with many 3rd down stops. I wonder how many were tackles out of a zone – he was the closest guy, so the pass coverage is on him?
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