Future Seahawks at the Senior Bowl - Offensive Tackle
Seattle, as bad teams often do, needs line help. Seahawks fans, as fans of bad teams often do, overestimate how much line help the Seahawks need. It has two young ends on defense that deserve a chance to start. Brandon Mebane is a fixture. The offensive line is solid through its interior and has depth and talent at right tackle. The need positions are vital though and that effectively makes the rest of the line look worse.
Seattle needs talent at left tackle. A healthy Sean Locklear could man the left, but he's at best an average talent at a premium position. 'Healthy' is a pretty big qualifier. Seattle needs talent at pass rushing, under- or three-tech tackle. It needs a gapper: Someone with similar explosiveness as Brandon Mebane, but better agility and closing quickness.
This is the draft to fill those positions.
Offensive tackle:
Selvish Capers: Seattle needs an athletic left tackle that can block pass rushers and block in space. It doesn't need a bully. Capers is having a hard go at the Senior Bowl. He has always played right tackle, defending left handed quarterbacks. One might think defenses would mirror their formations to counter a left handed quarterback, but I have rarely seen a defense respond this way.
That means the Senior Bowl is Capers first go at NFL caliber pass rushers. He's not excelling. His stock is already a bit depressed and in a crowded tackle class, he's probably losing ground to both the pure left tackles at the top of the heap and the pure right tackles with a definite position. I would worry less about Capers lack of refinement if he didn't turn 25 in November. However, if his stock continues to slip, he's an Alex Gibbs reclamation project of supreme talent.
Ciron Black: I've wanted Seattle to draft Ciron Black for about three years. He has been an NFL prospect his entire college career and suffered a bit from overexposure. Familiarity breeds contempt, and Black has played long enough to compile an ugly reel of missteps. Scouts often miss how one player is impacted, often inhibited, by the overall play of an offense. LSU is a good program, and a talented one, but its offense is weak at some pretty significant positions, like quarterback.
Black is a good example of how 40 times and drills can be a poor proxy for actual athleticism. He's a good athlete with strong body control and ability to move in space, but he's slow and he won't pace a rusher down the field like, say, Capers or Charles Brown. Unlike Brown, Black won't be bullied either. He has a low center of gravity and the easy size one wants in a tackle. A tackle must be very strong, but flexible and comfortable playing at an NFL weight.
Black still has a shot at the first round, but it's fading. Gibbs might opt for a more slightly built tackle that can run, but Black has the requisite athleticism to pull and block in space. Someone to remember should he fall far enough to become exceptional mid-round value. It's funny sometimes how positional classification can hurt a prospect. Mike Iupati is being talked up for his dominance at guard and some teams are discussing if he could become a professional offensive tackle. Black would almost certainly dominate at guard and has already proven to be a capable offensive tackle. Iupati is being overvalued because scouts are reading into his potential and Black is being undervalued because scouts are overly familiar with what he already is.
Mitch Petrus: Petrus played guard, fullback and tight end, but never tackle. He has the build and athleticism of a Gibbs pick, and depending on where he slides, Seattle might draft him and see if Gibbs can't coach him into a left tackle. Barring that, he's still scheme-appropriate talent and depth on the inside.
A lot of the best talent doesn't attend the Senior Bowl. Exposure cuts both ways, and established prospects like Brown, Russell Okung and Trent Williams have more to lose by participating than gain. Even minus the big names, there's still plenty to see.
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Terrence Cody
Only if the first round is between Terrence and the buffet table will he be pushing himself there
It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, it's very wrong to say it's a suspension bridge
Well its not the verticle
It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, it's very wrong to say it's a suspension bridge
Fans seem to care more about this stuff than general managers
Andre Smith had more red flags than just weight concerns, but he hardly fell at all.
Worked for Ted Washington and Grady Jackson, right?
I would think at some point (like… over 330) all that extra fat would be prohibitive, but what do I know? Football is one of the few strange sports where players intentionally carry loads of extra fat despite being in otherwise great athletic shape.
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by jubelthebear on Jan 28, 2010 1:53 AM PST up reply actions
I think he will get overdrafted if anything
Too many teams are looking for 3-4 nose tackles, its one of the reasons I am content with the Seahawks staying with a 4-3 is so we don’t have to fight for mediocre players at a premium position.
And I hate Alabama so Terrence Cody fat jokes make me smile
Terrence Cody is so fat for Halloween he says “Trick or Meatloaf”
It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, it's very wrong to say it's a suspension bridge
On the same note, 4-3 defensive ends tend to get overdrafted/overpaid too
by aerozeppelin on Jan 27, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions
Thats a good point
But at the same time there aren’t any teams switching from the 3-4 to the 4-3 right now so there isn’t the current mad scramble for DE’s like there is NT’s right now
It's a little wrong to say a tomato is a vegetable, it's very wrong to say it's a suspension bridge
I don't know about that...
when you consider how many 4-3 DE’s get slid into 3-4 rush-backer positions.
Seems like there’s still a scramble for the hybrid pass-rushers who 3 or 4 years ago were listed at DE in a 4-3 and now might also be LB in a 3-4. Woodley, Dumerville, Suggs, Wimbley, Maybin, Orakpo, Ayers, along with Tapp and a host of others could be blurred between either spot dependent on the defensive scheme. And that’s just a quick list. Plus you’ll notice there were 3 guys in this year’s draft alone that fit that “pass-rushing DE/OLB” projection.
And that’s just off the top of my head, and only using high profile picks/talents. I’m sure there are a ton more guys who would fit that bill.
I’m not sold the need is equal to DT/NT talent, just that is isn’t far apart when we talk about the type of guys that fit our need— unfortunately they also fit the 3-4’s needs… the exception? The 6’6" 295 lb Mario Williams/Julius Peppers type. But those guys are rare, and I have a feeling if one came along a 3-4 team would just work really hard to scheme him in…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 28, 2010 11:29 AM PST up reply actions
Clearly a block on the little dude too...
That’s awful. How’d you like to get a face full of Mt. Cody aaannnddd send him to the charity stripe.
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by dcrockett17 on Jan 28, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I wish I shared your love of Black
This is my own perspective, so forgive me if I come off arrogant.
I’ve seen way too many LSU games living here in the Southland. Black’s career seems to have fallowed the George Selvie path. So much potential, yet none of it came to fruition.
Black is a non-athletic tackle. Just because he weighs 330 and can move, does not signify he has athleticism in that movement. His legs are heavy, he is a constant waist bender, and is amazingly shallow in his stance for a 3 year left tackle.
He will go, if he is lucky, in the 3rd round, but the 4th is more likely. Plenty of guys will pass him: Jason Fox, Rodger Safold, Capers, even Haslam.
If we want a top notch left tackle, we will need to try and get Brown. Safold may surprise. Fox is a boom/buster with his late medical issues. Capers scares me to death; a massive project. All figure to be better players than Black.
Over analyzed or no, Black is getting worked at the senior bowl for a reason.
It is what it is...
"I wish I shared your love of Black"
Once you go black, you never go back.
by jacobstevens on Jan 28, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions
Black in the first round?
He’ll be lucky to go in the 5th round. No kidding. He’s at best a backup interior lineman at the next level. There is a 0% chance he goes in round one.
"A 0% chance he goes in the first round"
I’m glad I got my Retarded-Comment-of-the-Day out of the way so early.
Geno Atkins (DT, Georgia) with the 2nd rounder?
He can play the 4-3 Under and let Mebane move back to the Over. Then the two of them can spend the next 5 years providing a very effective up-the-middle pass rush. Or is using a 2nd rd pick on him too much of a reach?
I've noticed some things about Lupati.
He has the arms of a tackle. He is a very talented, athletic player that some have said could switch to play LT. Is drafting Lupati as a future offensive tackle a consiseration?
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What?
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer
BTW, I made this comment before reading the full post.
John partially addressed Lupati, etc. The video is awesome. Good stuff that I hadn’t seen available.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer
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http://www.sbnation.com/ncaa-football/players/15105/Mike_Lupati
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer
On his jersey it is Iupati.
I’m pretty sure they would have a capitol L there if it was Lupati.
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by seattle_since_81 on Jan 28, 2010 3:16 PM PST up reply actions
I see.
Iupati. Got it. Weird. And, weirder that many places spell it wrong. Thanks for the clarification. :)
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer
Also:
Listed around 6’5" and 325 pounds, Iupati is a great fit for any team’s left guard position but at the Senior Bowl, coaches have been working him out at left and right tackle.
Early prospect watch: RB C.J. Spiller, QB Sam Bradford, OT Ciron Black, DT Gerald McCoy, S Eric Berry, DT Ndamukong Suh, RB Jonathan Dwyer

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