Jon Ryan and Seattle’s Nine Million Dollar Rouenation
It's a blessed time for kickers of all kind: The stringy fast ones that fight; the athletic ones that run after their kicks; and the extremophiles of the genus, whose legs pivot 270º, that kick but a few times, but kick hard and fast against a tide of defenders. Pass that mutagen around the dinner table Gramaticas - you're million dollar freaks. Today, Jon Ryan is one of you.
Special teams is important. Football Outsiders estimates that special teams account for one-seventh of a team's total quality. Special teams is predictable and unpredictable in turns. Olindo Mare can predictably kick farther than most place kickers, but cannot predictably kick field goals. The former is important, but the latter can cost him his job.
A punter faces a similar dilemma. After a sufficient number of attempts, it's possible to judge a punter's ability to kick the ball far, but that's only part of how we evaluate a punter's performance. The two other major abilities are loft and direction. Loft should be measurable by hang time, but hang time is sporadically recorded. Direction is, well, probably a lot like field goal accuracy: appreciable but hardly predicative.
In lieu of intuitive measures like hang time, we're left with advanced and unintelligible metrics like DVOA and EPA. It's not difficult to understand what either measures, but it's about impossible to tack either onto an individual player. EPA indicates that Seattle had the fifth best punting performance in the NFL. DVOA indicates that Seattle had the 22nd best punting performance in the NFL. DVOA is adjusted for weather, and the Seahawks faced the most timid conditions of any team this season. Even if inexact, and both are, DVOA is probably the more proper measure.
Neither stat successfully isolates the punter and neither stat can tell us if Ryan is a good signing. Here's my subjective measure of Ryan's punting skills. He can kick far, but because he kicks low. That shows up somewhat in his "fair catches". Before this season, Ryan was never good at forcing fair catches. He was well below average. This season he ranked eighth with 17. It's possible that is indicative of improvement, but without scanning play by play to be sure, I imagine it's more likely that teams stopped returning against Seattle because the score was lopsided and a return represented an unnecessary risk. Why take to the house when you can take it and laugh out the clock.
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His line-drive kicking style also shows up in his return totals. Ryan allowed the third most total return yards. That's not meaningful in isolation. Seattle punted a lot. But this is a combination, await the left hook. Ryan allowed the second highest return average among the top ten punters in total returns yards allowed. Only rookie Thomas Moorestead bested Ryan, and Moorestead had only 25 returns. That small sample is dramatically affected by a single return touchdown. Ryan had the most return yards allowed by any punter with 40 or more attempts: 11.14.
I am not going to delve too deep into directional kicking. I've never seen any proof Ryan can, but then, I don't know how consistently any punter can. It does seem quite akin to field goal accuracy. Both represent a skill, but both skills are too slippery to measure. Ryan seems bad. We'll leave it at that.
Maybe Ryan was kicking long and shallow because the Seahawks offense was awful. The 2007 Green Bay Packers had a top five offense in drive length. Surely if Ryan was able to kick high instead of just long, he would have with them. And, indeed, Ryan was able to force 14 fair catches and just 5.95 yards per return in 60 punts before the Packers fired him. Which seems good, but Ryan also punted 11 touchbacks, second worst in the NFL, and the far and away worst per punt average. Green Bay lost -3.7 points of field position because of punts. Ryan can't ratchet back the leg. Long and shallow is just how he kicks.
And that's very, very bad. Long and shallow is valuable to bad teams because they must struggle to flip field position. But who gives a damn about the punter on a bad team? Interim GM Ruston Webster is who. If Seattle becomes good again, Ryan's ability and type become a liability. On a short field, Ryan is either going to boom a touchback or slap a drive to the returner. He hurts Seattle more as Seattle becomes better. It's the curse of Tom Rouen reborn.
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Just when I thought the Bengals franchising their kicker was bad
The Seahawks did even worse by doing this.
Is Jon Ryan going to be our cheap backup QB next year or something?
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Great analysis.
I felt so sure Ryan had a bad year, then someone said Brian Burke said he was 6th best, and I just figured, my eyes deceived me. And now you make me feel like I’m right again, so to that I say, fantastic.
As the holder of a MicroBio degree
I probably should have picked up on that. But I was always part of Team Pompeii worm. God damn Team tardigrade thinks it’s so cute! Water bear? Harrumph, more like…Daughter…Bear. Yeah.
There was a Pompeii worm in there but the formatting was ugly
so I dropped it. The tardigrade picture was too cool to drop.
I agree, that picture needs to stay
One of my text books was The Physiology and Biochemistry of Extremophiles. It was like a 1988 Monster Manual; pictures were amazing.
I slip the girl an extra fiver
And let ’em boost it with whatever has come over from Colombia. The Pineapple Express Smoothie is (third)eye opening.
interesting and well thought out analysis
my only question is: how much of return yardage is the fault of the punter and how much of it is a very poorly coached special teams coverage unit?
What's with the crack about Mare?
He missed 2 FGs all year. I know he didn’t kick that many, but after the Chicago game he didn’t miss. Can’t hardly complain about that. After that one game, I’d say he was about as predictable as you can get. I’d sign him to a 2 year contract at least. No reason to let him go. He’s quite reliable and has made us completely forget about that bozo who went to St. Louis so he wouldn’t be a slave to the businessman. Now he’s just a slave to losing.
And there I was
Wanting Rob Bironas…
But that was old Mookie. New Mookie can’t get enough of Olindo Mah-Ray.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
You said..
“Olindo Mare can predictably kick farther than most place kickers, but cannot predictably kick field goals”. I guess I took that as a criticism. To me this means that he can regularly kick further than other kickers but not regularly kick as accurately as other kickers. Did you mean something else?
I think he means it's a given that Mare's leg is more powerful than most kickers in the league
Making field goals consistently for any kicker is impossible to predict (See: Mike Vanderjagt).
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
Mora pointed to improved ST play in his analysis of the season.
One out of three phases of the game. Not bad? Although I guess that ignores the return game. What a bad season.
by Big E-Z on Jan 6, 2010 5:21 PM PST via mobile reply actions
You ignore evidence when it suits your prefered conclusion.
Ryan seems bad.
Lost in the sauce is Ryan’s inestimable ability to hold a place kick. DVOA that!!

That's obviously a bad snap.
And he’s using the force to draw the ball back to an upright, kickable position. Notice the intense, upside-down-in-an-ice-cave type of concentration. Magnificent!
Rouenation
Can you explain the word please? I’m sure it’s a pun I don’t get.
It did have an interesting use though, google for it and find all the sites that consume your rss feed :)
Aha, I guess I was just learning football in 05 and didn't know names of punters
interesting fact: Rouen is married to six-time Olympic gold medalist Amy Van Dyken.
Rouen?
You mean the guy who put 4 punts into the endzone in the superbowl? If not for Stevens and the Refs, Rouen may well have gone down in history as the goat of that game. He had an awful game in Detroit. He was also pushing 40 (and is 41 now). Rouen was a good punter over his career, but was nearing the end in 2005.
If we seriously would stoop to blaming a punter for punting the ball into the end zone
Then we are twisted.
FIRE JIM MORA NOW!
John brought it up, I'm just applying what he said to Rouen
John’s original posting above says: “After a sufficient number of attempts, it’s possible to judge a punter’s ability to kick the ball far, but that’s only part of how we evaluate a punter’s performance.”
John takes it further in critiquing Ryan and says: ""Which seems good, but Ryan also punted 11 touchbacks, second worst in the NFL, and the far and away worst per punt average. Green Bay lost -3.7 points of field position because of punts. Ryan can’t ratchet back the leg. Long and shallow is just how he kicks.""
So in 2007 Ryan kicked 11 touchbacks, and this is bad. Rouen kicked 4 in one game, which happened to be the Superbowl. It really was a lousy performance, and it cost him his job.
Tom Rouen was the first of a series of gaffes involving special teams.
Punter has a bad game, the front office flips the fuck out and overreacts. Punter has a superficially good season, front office flips the fuck out and gives him a crazy contract.
other priorities me thinks...
The Seahawks were generally bad this year, Buffalo was one of the better special teams units for a while and look where it got them. It is hard to criticize Ryan too much, honestly if I had those guys blocking for me I would boot the ball as quickly as I could too.

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