Jim Mora Fired
by abender20 on Jan 8, 2010 11:08 AM PST
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PrintJay Glazer is reporting that the Seahawks have sent Jim Mora Jr. back from whence he came. After a season in which the Seahawks failed on nearly every level, Mora is out of a job.
I'm not ordinarily a fan of making sudden moves with respect to regime change, but I think the validation for cleaning house isn't hard to come by. Mora took over the secondary as the coach-in-waiting and the secondary got worse, but that's not damning. Secondary play is a byproduct of the passrush, a passrush that declined last season. From the standpoint of personnel, however... Brian Russell. That's not a point in Mora's favor. This was a trend.
As Head Coach, Mora brought in some interesting coaching talent in guys like Dan Quinn and Gus Bradley. Do we credit Mora for seeing some bright young minds or do we debit him for bringing in coordinators running a zone defensive scheme that was ill-suited for his on-field talent? It's the evaluation of personnel that strikes me as the larger failing. This season saw the continued overuse of Patrick Kerney, Craig Terrill, and Colin Cole. Owen Schmitt had a lot of development time wasted as Justin Griffith kept playing. While I like Julius Jones and what he can bring offensively, Forsett was frequently the more effective back (DVOA agrees) and didn't see enough touches. Olindo Mare and Chris Spencer. John touched on his leadership issues quite a bit, as well as the handling of the offensive line. The late-season loss of Derek Walker just to avoid some vague notion of mailing it in. The retention of Bruce DeHaven (this will likely be remedied in short order). There are plenty of reasons to help justify a change.
We live in terrifying times, do Seahawks fans. Exciting, too. After a few years of relative predicability with respect to the noted Tim Ruskell draft style and the Holmgren offense, we saw Mora come in and rock then sink the boat. No one survives. Now comes the uncertainty of a new GM, a new coaching staff, and a cornerstone roster year. Change for the sake of change is rarely a good idea, but firing Mora doesn't fall into that category. Today, the Seahawks ripped off the bandage and are in the market for a good surgeon. Choose wisely, Mr. Leiweke.
*Scruffy Note* - Weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee!
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I read the headline and yelled WOOOHOOO!
Now for hiring a GM and coach that shows some capacity for identifying talent by the higher ups. Things are encouraging, but still could turn out very badly.
No kidding.
The offseason is always a potent time, but this year – especially with the CBA in limbo – seems like it could really make or break the Seahawks for years to come. Exciting but scary stuff.
Woohooo
Was my exact reaction. I guess I got my birthday wish a few days later. Now the Hawks need to go out and get a good GM and a damn good to great coaching staff. One that knows how to utilities it’s players. Also, what does this mean for Hasslebeck?
I don't
have a problem with Jones, if he is healthy and can play.
I would think ...
… that Hasslebeck’s status would come right on down to the type of system being run and that next year would be a make it or break it year regarding an extension.
Either way I see him being with our team next year and letting a young guy hold the clipboard and absorb everything he can.
I just heard.
I am so happy I am fighting back tears. This may have been the worst coach that we have ever had. I’m glad he’s gone. He was horrible at gameplanning, horrible at halftime adjustments of those non-gameplans and he hired coaches that insisted upon implementing systems that were not good fits for the current players.
Add to that the stubborn REFUSAL to use Teel at QB or Forsett more at HB and I would have fired him 3 minutes after the final whistle of the Titans game.
I see the story about Pete Carrol. No F’n way! Besides college, when has he ever lit the football world on fire? When he was a a NFL coach previously, was anyone blown away by his coaching ability? I think not.
Bill “the chin” Cowher PLEASE! This team needs toughness and he is the man to instill some!
What? No SOUL?
That's why I'm okay with this decision
The team got worse across the board as the season progressed. The team that had winnable losses against SF and CHI earlier in the season got embarrassed in ways we hadn’t seen in 18 years. That isn’t a defensible trend.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 8, 2010 11:24 AM PST up reply actions
I guess I'd argue that his process led to us not even getting to coin flip scenarios
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 8, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
Initially I liked Mora's enthusiasm, if doubting his past record.
But he showed that he was incapable of putting his team and players in a position to succeed. That’s the real indictment. Successful leaders aren’t the ones which make all the right decisions, they are the ones which develop a coherent scheme or process that people can see themselves as part of.
Mora illustrated he lacked both a coherent process and the ability to lead the team. I really don’t think he has the skills to be a Superbowl winning coach, and that’s why I’m happy he’s gone.
cloud 9
Couldn’t be happier that they fired him as soon as possible. Spencer should have a legit shot at coming back now and whoever we hire for GM can draft with a specific plan in mind. Not having to hear Mora speak again is an added bonus.
I was pretty indifferent on Mora, but hearing this news did make me happy.
My heart thought Mora deserved another year, but this is probably for the best. Seattle is entering it’s biggest off-season since the 90’s and it probably needs a new face to lead it.
I also have to admit that I did not see this coming. I thought for sure Mora would be back. Hopefully this opens the door for some more GM candidates.
I think it is the correct and inevitable decision, but I wonder about the timing
I thought that it wouldn’t happen until the new GM was here.
Makes me wonder if we are going after somone who wants GM and Coach duties. I just hope we don’t pull a Redskin and we hire the GM first and then let the GM bring in the coaching staff.
Or
Maybe the FO felt no one would want the job if Mora was retained. Especially the big boys ie Decosta, Heckert .. etc.
This is a good sign
I think the move was made today to make the GM job a more desirable one. I was listening to John Clayton and he was saying that a few of our GM candidates were removing their name from the hat, including Heckert and DeCosta).
So I am wondering if this is a move to get one of those guys to come to Seattle. I am sure if either guy was offered the job they would want to bring in their own guy. I could see Heckert wanting to bring in either Marty Mornhinweg or Sean McDermott (who I have heard is a very bright defensive guy and has a lot of upside). I’d be excited for either of those guys.
Who else are other head coaching possibilities, other than the guy from NO? Who would DeCosta bring in if given the job? These are the things I am curious about.
All I know is that either way, this move sends a signal to the rest of the league. And a move that gets me even more jacked for this offseason.
That makes quite a bit of sense
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Jan 8, 2010 11:31 AM PST up reply actions
http://twitter.com/dannyoneil
“Indications are the decision to fire Mora came from the very top. Owner Paul Allen wanted an entirely different direction.”
I've always liked Paul Allen
even better with this news. I would have loved to be a fly on the wall for that phone call from him.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 11:42 AM PST up reply actions
He must read Field Gulls during his treatments
GET WELL PAUL!
Ding Dong
The witch is dead, the witch is dead. Ding dong the wicked witch is dead!!!!!
What sealed it for me was his pre-game interview before the titans. He was asked about stopping Chris Johnson and instead went off on a tangent about the fans. And finished it with “and uhhh…. we need to stop their RB.”
This could be a nightmare of an offseason as well as a dream come true. Your move Leweike. Choose wisely.
by Fightfightfight on Jan 8, 2010 11:30 AM PST reply actions
His press conference after the game was pretty entertaining as well.
The amount of “gosh darnits” thrown around made my head spin.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Jan 8, 2010 11:33 AM PST up reply actions
I don't like it either
But it makes the most sense. If you weren’t going to hire a GM/Coach combo, why not hire the GM and let him start firing? Cowher is the only logical GM/Coach combo available.
I'm not big on that idea.
I want the next Mike McCarthy, Tony Sparano, etc. I don’t want to see the team just spend big money on a big name.
Wow, surprising. I thought the organization would give Mora one more year.
I guess they saw just as much in Mora as the rest of us. Mora just isn’t what the Seahawks — or any organization for that matter — is looking for to lead a rebuilding team back into contention.
I’m glad but feel a little bad for Mora Jr. failing miserably in his childhood dream.
he has millions of dollars
and did nothing to earn the respect or hearts of fans. Fuck em.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 11:40 AM PST up reply actions
Just because someone's financial income is considerable..
It doesn’t exclude them from being the subject of another person’s compassion.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions
Life imitating Field Gulls?
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 11:44 AM PST reply actions
YESSSSS!!!
He looked way to much like Mark Wahlberg for me to take him seriously…oh yeah he was crappy coach too.
I can totally see him going to some other team and leading them to three consecutive Super Bowls.
Then, in 10 years, they’ll make a movie about him starring Wahlberg.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
I thought we already established that he can't coach in the pros
he can barely make it past in college right now.
by aerozeppelin on Jan 8, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
Barely make it in college?
Are you kidding me? The guy has one year where he’s not in the National Championship hunt and he can barely make it? What about the last 8?
by Fightfightfight on Jan 8, 2010 11:59 AM PST up reply actions
That was a loooooong time ago
Still, I don’t know how I feel about this
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 12:07 PM PST up reply actions
Steve Spurrier was awesome at Florida.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Steve Spurrier had never coached in the pros
Carroll had 15 years of NFL coaching experience before going to USC. Completely different backgrounds.
I'm not totally against Carroll. I'm more worried about him having total control over the roster.
If Seattle hired DeCosta and he went through the process and determined Carroll was the best fit then I wouldn’t be to upset. I just don’t like the way Seattle is going about this.
huh, I dunno what that will be llike
As an Oregon fan I would love to see him out of USC, he wasn’t good the first time he coached in the NFL, then again he took over a really bad team. I think Carroll would be an idiot to leave USC though,
by Generzal Zod on Jan 8, 2010 11:57 AM PST up reply actions
When's the last time a college coach had success in the NFL?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 11:58 AM PST up reply actions
I hope that's sarcastic.
Because he was an unbelievably bad college coach. A career coaching record of 26-63?? awful
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Jan 8, 2010 12:59 PM PST up reply actions
He also was handed one of the most talented teams in the nfl
He was still a college coach and thus answers the question.
www.manningface.com
Again, Caroll is not exactly a college coach
His last year of college coaching before USC was in 1983. I don’t know how well he’ll do, but the college coach thing is mindless oversimplification.
I think Carroll has proven...
just how successful you can be if you have superior players.
Don't, Robert.
Then I’d be denied the joy of finally noticing that CavinsaurusCarlson is wearing a Santa hat! (Seriously, just now. I’m oblivious to the world.)
I want to hear what he messed up the first time to really judge him by past experience
Being setup for failure rarely results in success.
I hate USC and Pete Carrol
But I find it interesting that he has only been given one year to be a NFL head coach and is judged solely on that.
www.manningface.com
Carrol
I don’t like this from a Seahawks fan perspective…
But I love it from am Anti-USC perspective.
indeed.
My boss recommends hiring Carroll and all his assistants, then firing him after 1 year.
by G'd Up on Jan 8, 2010 1:26 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Hahahahaahahahahaha!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 1:31 PM PST up reply actions
Favorite SNL commercial
Einstein Express: When it absolutely, positively has to be there the day before yesterday.
Kevin Neilen runs up to the front desk with a box of birth control pills in his hand and screams, “I gotta get these to my girlfriend three weeks ago!!”
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Get ready for madness.
Pete Carroll is the guy Seahawks are targeting. It is expected to happen, according to sources. Just reported to ESPN 10 minutes ago
- Christ Mortensen’s Twitter
Really.
I wonder if Heckert pulling his Seahawks candidacy means that the word is out that perhaps we got our guy already? Ahem… DeCosta.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Pete Carroll?
I don’t know. Before even thinking about it from our standpoint, the question I would ask is why a mega-successful college coach would make the leap? The top of the college mountain is better than the top of the pro mountain in almost every conceivable way — unless Carroll is one step ahead of the sheriff (a la Tim Floyd).
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Because he knows the Pac10 is getting better...
he’s proven everything he needs to prove…
because there’s a good chance all the smoke about recruiting allegations etc. may lead to fire…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 12:10 PM PST up reply actions
I'd think the latter more than the former
Carroll still has his doubters in college football even after just one down season. Beating an SEC team in the title game is a feather that he HAS to want in his cap.
I’d be more inclined to think that, yeah, he’s a step ahead of the sheriff if he’s talking about leaving SoCal for an “okay” pro job.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
More on Carrol:
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports that the Seahawks have made USC’s Pete Carroll their No. 1 target to replace fired head coach Jim Mora, and that the sides have “strong mutual interest.”
Now this is interesting. Seahawks owner Paul Allen undoubtedly has the money to lure Carroll away, and Mortensen says talks have gotten so hot and heavy that he’d be “surprised” if Carroll isn’t Seattle’s next coach. ESPN’s Adam Schefter also says he’d heard recently that Carroll wanted back into the pros. Carroll, 58, has been in at Southern Cal since the 2001 season. According to Mortensen, the Seahawks are interviewing Vikings DC Leslie Frazier only as a formality to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
Would rather have Frazier over Carroll
Anyday of the week. Not really sold on Pete Carroll coming back to the NFL. Now I know he did wonders at USC.
Me either.
It would also be nice if this team would just slow the fuck down, get a GM and let him handle the process.
That would make far too much sense.
Remember, Mora told us that the organization is guilty of wanting ‘instant gratification’.
/sarcasm
It's quite possible that the GM candidate they want is basically wrapped up
other than the formality of the process.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Frazier has declined the offer to interview...
according to Sando’s blog
//lifts red phone off hook.
“No, the WHITE phone.”
by thebyron on Jan 8, 2010 1:46 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I doubt it.
Pretty sure they have to actually perform the interview and make it look like the guy has an actual chance. I think there’s some group that give’s the thumbs up/down on whether the rule has been satisfied.
They interviewed one of Zorn's coaches before the season was over.
It satisfied the requirement.
Idiotic Rooney Rule.
Noble intentions, but it shouldn’t be forced on teams.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Jan 8, 2010 1:01 PM PST up reply actions
For real
It was a great move in 2003 when there were only 7 minority coaches in the history of the league, but I think it has outlived its usefulness. The age of racism and rich old white guys hiring only white coaches is gone in the NFL.
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reason being
He felt he was just being interviewed for the Rooney Rule.
I have a bad feeling about this. . .
We find the right guy and can’t hire him— we are unable to interview anyone that will satisfy the Rooney Rule because everybody knows that we already have someone ready to hire. This could get ugly(er).
Knowing how we always get screwed, this could possibly cost us one of our higher picks.
Pretty sure it's just a monetary fine
At least that’s what the rule was in 2003. I dont know if it’s changed since then but I dont think it has.
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My thoughts exactly
What are the chances we hire him, then our GM fires him straight away and replaces him?
Oh yeah baby, a 58-year old already failed in the NFL college coach when there's such a great trackrecord of college coaches!!
by Matthew on Jan 8, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions 12 recs
Taken aside from that history (college to NFL), I like Pete Carroll
“Like” is maybe too strong a word. I think he’s a winner. He’ll be hyper-aware of the college-to-NFL thing too, for whatever that’s worth, and going all-in to make it work this time.
by lemonverbena on Jan 8, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
I REALLY LIKE BEAT CARROLL AS WELL
BUT I ALSO LIKE POLAR BEARS WHICH ALSO SHOULD BE LIKED FROM A DISTANCE NOT RIGHT UP IN YOUR FUCKING FACE
by Robert on Jan 8, 2010 1:07 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Mora didn’t get much of a chance – one year.
O well see who they get.
Carroll is about as likely as Cowher or Gruden, but why not take a shot ?
I would like to see Frazier
With the 6 and 14 picks Hawks could get 2 good players
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
Mora had his chance
Mora should have never been hired in the first place. He has had only one winning season as a coach. And has had losing seasons since then, getting worse and worse.
I just wiki'd Pete Carrol...
didn’t realize he was briefly our DB’s coach.
Also, everyone says he “failed” as a pro, but he did follow a legend in Parcells, and he was 33-31, which frankly I’d take right now…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 12:20 PM PST reply actions
Your expectations are so low that 2 above .500 with no playoff wins does it for ya?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 12:27 PM PST up reply actions
Who do you recommend?
Not saying Carroll is the man to root for, but there aren’t craploads of awesome coaches with great HC records. We have no way of knowing if a DC or OC will translate well to HC, etc.
Record is a difficult way to judge a coach
But 2 above .500 and no playoff victories isn’t really exciting either. Carroll was considered a disaster by most involved at the time and the record of coaches jumping from college to the pros sucks.
Some coaches have sucked at first and later succeeded, so pretty much any coach that isn’t making the jump from college to the pros. I like Russ Grim, Frazier, Mularkey off the top of my head.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
Right now, yes.
2 games above .500 would get us into the playoffs this year, in our division.
I’m not thrilled with him, but I’m willing to give him a chance I guess.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
I agree, I wouldn't be thrilled, but that's long ago,
and you certainly can’t conclude that he’s a ‘failure’ after going above .500.
Mora's record stands at 31-33.
Yeah, huge difference.
I notice
he didn’t win one for the Hawks.
Mora was worse when it mattered— for us.
Don’t get me wrong, I’m not a huge fan of Carrol… yet. But I am just saying I didn’t realize he was over .500 in the NFL.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 2:37 PM PST up reply actions
I think Seattle is a good job
There is a pretty loyal fan base, decent media, and it’s a great location. I guess the question is will we pay up the money for someone good. Does this mean the end of Knapp too?
When has knapp excelled with an average offense?
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 12:29 PM PST up reply actions
Somebody get this man a drink!
Sorry— every time I see your name I think of Kentucky Fried Movie…
Garrison Hearst was a good RB
That got wrecked by one of the worst injuries I’ve ever seen. Then he made a nice comeback and promptly fell off.
JIM MORA FIRED!!! PARTY TIME!
Don't know about you, but that doesn't sell me.
Good offensive coordinators can generally hang on to a job for more than three season. He’s completely unproven in the NFL in terms of longevity as far as I’m concerned.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 12:40 PM PST up reply actions
So you're arguing against statistics? You think he's a bad coach because he didn't stay with one team
for a long time? That doesn’t make a whole lotta sense.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
No, I'm saying that that's not a particularly good sign of an effective offensive mind.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 12:44 PM PST up reply actions
I understand.
I’m trying to explore some aspects of his coaching that don’t exist in number form.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
That's a completely different aspect though.
The fact that he hasn’t stuck anywhere doesn’t make him a bad coach.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
Again, not using that as evidence.
Just potentially a sign or result of poor performance.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 12:53 PM PST up reply actions
Maybe he didn't get along with the owners or something?
I dunno. What I do know is that there is evidence of him being the coordinator of some very good offensive teams.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
And I wouldn't be so opposed to having him
if we had anything close to a very good offensive team.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
He's better in different situations.
With this team right now, I think Holmgren could produce a superior game plan than Knapp.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 1:02 PM PST up reply actions
*Shudder*
Opposing slot receiver runs 80 yards for the score
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 12:49 PM PST up reply actions
He said
he didn’t think Mays could cover NFL level talent, hopefully he still feels that way.
Awesome
One thing you could imagine is that he can identify and maybe fresh, undeveloped talent since most college talent is. But that is just crazy speculation and positive thinking.
Pete Carroll's influence on the defense makes me happy.
Perhaps Bates will follow and draft a Cutler-esque stud to groom?
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 12:36 PM PST up reply actions
And there goes the rest of my day at work...
Crazy morning. At least having two monitors doubles the availalbe Seahawks news space.
And being a die hard UCLA Fan
That truly is my nightmare. Way to F up a great start to my B-Day weekend.
If Everson Griffen is one of them, I have no problem with that.
that man is a freak
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Jan 8, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions
Chris Spencer's final act as a Seahawk
Is getting Mora fired with his perfectly good play.
JIM MORA FIRED!!! PARTY TIME!
This was likely how Mora sounded during the firing
“Well Tod you put in a great effort in firing me. You and your people are trying really hard out there to get me out and I appreciate that. We’ll work on this process next week.”
JIM MORA FIRED!!! PARTY TIME!
Why would you pay attention to the Carroll comments, really
Mortensen is just speculating … nobody in the front office is targeting a coach before they’d hire a GM.
that said Pete Carroll is just a dumb choice.
ESPn has proven many, MANY times they’re not hooked into West Coast teams. I guarantee the posters and authors on this site know far more about the Hawks inner workings than anyone at ESPN does.
From Seahawks addicts.
A rumor: “Eric DeCosta turns down Seahawks chance to be interviewed for GM role. He believes Carroll will be given full job duties.”
Well we're running out of solutions, John!
Everybody hates us and refuses to interview with us!
A Mariners fan in Seattle
Everything, except for the Lord Leiweke
“Join us, not join them.”
by lemonverbena on Jan 8, 2010 12:50 PM PST up reply actions
UCLA fans call PC Darth Carroll.
March of the Empire?
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 12:52 PM PST up reply actions
I'm very against Carroll being hired.
This seems knee-jerk to do this.
JIM MORA FIRED!!! PARTY TIME!
SC forums have Carroll having full control.
This is a mistake…
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 12:58 PM PST up reply actions
Who are the last 2 billionaire, high profile owners to fire a coach and hire a big name college guy?
Snyder in DC with Spurrier and Blank in Atlanta with Petrino, who they hired after Blank fired Mora.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 12:52 PM PST reply actions
This was a necessary move.
Listening to 710 yesterday and hearing GM candidates canceling their interviews made this a necessary move. I felt when Tim Ruskell resigned that Jim Mora had to be fired before the next GM could be chosen. It is the only fair thing to do for both the new GM and Mora. If the new GM came in and had to fire Mora first thing, Mora would likely not get the chance to interview for the coaching job. And for the new GM to have to fire Mora as his first move, it had to make Seattle a less desirable place come (even though it is a simple one-time thing).
Sorry, Mora, but this had to happen and you know it. I hope you find a coaching job soon.
Washington State is in need...
I think they were holding it open all these years for Mike Price, but I don’t think he’s coming back.
I like what Sando suggests better than Carroll
How cool would it be to have Dungy, Frazier, and Webster working together.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/12611/thoughts-on-carroll-frazier-seahawks
They were pretty effective in Tampa together
I’d be more comfortable with that proven combo then with a guy in Carroll who hasn’t proven he can do much in the NFL. From a risk/reward perspective I’m just not sold on Carroll et al.
I mean, I'm not going to completely base how good he is on one move,
but, yikes, that was stupid. That’s like a Bavasi move.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
Yep.
That’s where having Dungy in an advisory role would be essential.
With only one year guaranteed.
To complain about this move is to show your ignorance.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:05 PM PST up reply actions
I question the notion that Ryan is bad.
No, the ignorant part is that people fail to realize that Seattle did not hurt themselves at all with the deal; it only guarantees one year, and they’re free to do whatever they want with Ryan after that. Complaining about it reveals that ignorance.
Jon Ryan’s only slated to earn $1 million next year. The average salary for a punter? $868,005. That’s a whopping $131,995 more than market value. After we just saw a year where the salary cap was about $128 million, it was a move that that provided protection against inflation in uncapped year, while being reasonably near the average pay.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions
Bates. Former Denver OC.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 12:57 PM PST up reply actions
Tebow Fornicate.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 1:09 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Better get Matt Cassel too
Need to have an experienced backup.
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is Mike Williams available?
or is he committed to Ben & Jerry’s?
by G'd Up on Jan 8, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
I just want an all USC defense
Mostly for the sweet names. Imagine a lineup with Lofa Tatupu, Troy Polamalu, Rey Maualuga, Kaluka Maiava, and Fili Moala.
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I'm sure Carroll would be able to separate himself from his former college players.
In fact, he probably knows them well enough to not want some of them in the NFL.
Oh i know.
just having some fun with this. He will also know enough to seperate himself from former Cougars
So this is gathering steam...
Per O’Neil via Twitter:
Pete Carroll has already reached about assembling a potential coaching staff, specifically UCLA defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker.
A Mariners fan in Seattle
He's the HC of New Mexico State right now but served as a DC under PC and a DC at UCLA.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 1:15 PM PST up reply actions
I didn't state an opinion either way.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 1:20 PM PST up reply actions
Here's a beer.
We’ll get through this.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 1:22 PM PST up reply actions
Heh.
TNTmariners Told Jack Zduriencik (big Steelers fan) that Mora was fired, and he was in disbelief.
Not a chance.
Unless the spread offense suddenly is effective against fast NFL defenses.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Jan 8, 2010 7:24 PM PST up reply actions
The happy time is over. I can't get this Carroll signing. I'm wholeheartedly against it.
JIM MORA FIRED!!! PARTY TIME!
I'd be pessemistic
but that wouldn’t work.
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 1:39 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot confirm source but and ex-scout friend of mine says this:
A source here in Dallas is telling me they will offer Carroll the second-highest paying NFL contract to make the move. Jeremy Bates (OC) will probably come too…
We just didn't know it. They were already looking at Carroll and made a trip down to LA.
Looks like Mora just got clued in, but they were working behind the scenes all week.
by BlueThruAndThru on Jan 8, 2010 1:58 PM PST up reply actions
Hmmmm:
Eagles GM Tom Heckert and Ravens director of player personnel Eric DeCosta canceled their previously scheduled interviews — both before Carroll’s name surfaced. Heckert canceled shortly after his visit to Cleveland and DeCosta canceled earlier this week.