Seahawk reportedly want Pete Carroll
by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 12:08 PM PST
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ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports that the Seahawks have made USC's Pete Carroll their No. 1 target to replace fired head coach Jim Mora, and that the sides have "strong mutual interest."
Now this is interesting. Seahawks owner Paul Allen undoubtedly has the money to lure Carroll away, and Mortensen says talks have gotten so hot and heavy that he'd be "surprised" if Carroll isn't Seattle's next coach. ESPN's Adam Schefter also says he'd heard recently that Carroll wanted back into the pros. Carroll, 58, has been in at Southern Cal since the 2001 season. According to Mortensen, the Seahawks are interviewing Vikings DC Leslie Frazier only as a formality to satisfy the Rooney Rule.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=491
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This is like wataching your mother-in-law drive of a cliff in your new Mercedes!
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 12:10 PM PST reply actions 4 recs
That's classic. Rec'd.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 12:12 PM PST up reply actions
It's a quote from Frank Spaziani in reference to the Emerald Bowl matchup with USC.
All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!
by Airborne Hawk Guy on Jan 8, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
I've heard it before...
still it was great given present context.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 2:06 PM PST up reply actions
My impression is that there is no way Cowher is coming back. I have not heard his name from what I would consider reliable sources.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Wait..
The USC coach? The guy on CBS that doesn’t know where the Rams play? Or the morning guy on ESPN?
by SpokaneSHAWK on Jan 8, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions
The guy from USC. I'm not sure his style works at the NFL level but he is a hell of a coach,
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 12:39 PM PST up reply actions
The CBS guy
former Steeler’s coach. The guy from Chincinnati :)
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
John Carlson will retire a hall of fame TE after winning
3 superbowls. Don’t worry Robert. I have foreseen this.
He's not going to bring anything new to the table
Dude is 58, hasn’t been in the NFL in 10 years, wasn’t good when he was in the NFL. We’re going to give him way too much money and power because of his college success.
He’s not going to be the guy that modernizes the team to succeed in the NFL today. It’s pretty much a monumental mistake, in my opinion.
by OlSalty on Jan 8, 2010 1:10 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
100% what you said
I feel worse about Carrol being our HC as I did about Mora. At least Mora has been in the NFL consistently. This is a depressing day.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 1:17 PM PST up reply actions
I don't know.
I feel like he’ll try to institute schemes based off player strengths rather then come in and try to force his system on the team. Mostly because he’s had a long period of success at USC. And those teams have varied wildly. From top offensive teams to top defensive teams. He’s maximized returns on the talented part of his team. It’s the fact that he’s had good teams on both sides of the ball that gives me a little hope.
I still think it’s a terrible signing.
I ACTUALLY DONT HATE SC AND I REALLY LIKE PETE CARROLL
I JUST WANT NO PART OF HIM BEING THE GM/HEAD COACH OF THE HAWKS
I'm ambivalent
What I like
He identifies good coaching talent. That is a HUGE part of what any coach can bring to the table.
He’s flexible. He has some core principles, but he’s not doctrinaire. He puts players in positions to succeed. He recruits great talent so he gameplans to his players’ strengths, but he puts in wrinkles to attack opponent weaknesses.
He is a defense first coach. His worst defenses have usually been in seasons with a lot of turnover where he plays his kids.
He doesn’t play favorites. If you can play, you play. Freshman? So what. Get out there. As a result his players play hard for him.
His offense may be a tad dated, but it’s clearly a pro-style offense.
This could be the right time for a college coach to make the leap. The college and NFL games may be as similar as they have been in over 20 years. The NFL used to never adopt college innovations. Now you see more of that. Ignoring the “wildcat” for this discussion, New England runs Spike Dykes’ and Mike Leach’s plays featuring Wes Welker.
Perhaps more importantly though, the pendulum has swung and now the NFL overvalues its assistants and coordinators at the expense of undervaluing head coaching experience. A lot of guys get promoted in the NFL before they are ready. So we may be at the point that the NFL learning curve for a guy like Pete Carroll may be lower than the head coach learning curve for a top assistant.
What troubles me
Nothing about hiring Carroll would make me cringe outright. With the right GM and the right staff I don’t think he’d lose the farm. He would have to adjust to the NFL, but not like Petrino or Spurrier.
The one glaring downside is whether he’s football’s John Calipari—a guy cut out to be a dominant college coach but just an okay pro coach.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 1:24 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
One problem
is that a lot of college coaches try to “coach up” their pro personnel. It doesn’t really work. The college coaches have a hard time getting over the idea that players are completely different people once they start getting million dollar contracts.
I see your point
I wouldn’t argue it, but I would say that it doesn’t seem like that’s Pete Carroll’s M.O. He lets players play.
The last several “high profile” college coaches to make the leap, in my opinion, would have a much tougher time commanding a locker room than Pete Carroll.
Carroll has put enough players (particularly on defense) on pro rosters that I don’t think he would struggle with credibility the same way that some others have.
I could be totally wrong though.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I am totally on board with you
His pro record is not good, but who knows, the guy has shown he can win.
Mortenson link
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4808557
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
keeping season tickets but....
the thought of watching from home is very very appealing if this goes through.
Did you mean "appalling"?
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
no staying home is appealing
to “watch” them from home when they play at Qwest means to go do grocery shopping, house work, and spend time with the little one when the Seahawks are losing 24-3 at half.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
I cannot confirm the source, but an ex-scout friend of mine said this:
A source here in Dallas is telling me they will offer Carroll the second-highest paying NFL contract to make the move. Jeremy Bates (OC) will probably come too…
wait Carroll to Dallas?
or still to us?
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 1:45 PM PST up reply actions
Best case scenario:
Carroll goes to Dallas, Rooney Rule guy Frazier gets the job here. I think he’s more qualified, will cost a ton less, and potentially cause fewer headaches.
To Seattle.
That guy commenting on Seattle’s interest in Carroll. My friend just lives in Dallas. The Dallas team not involved.
Ah now I see
I was gonna say, talking about a coach’s replacement right before a home playoff game is baaaaad karma. Then again, if the Cowboys get their butts kicked this weekend, I can’t imagine Phillips would be back, and JJ always wants the big-name guy.
you will be the last Seahawk fan left!
I wish you luck, if this works out can we hop back on the wagon from heaven/hell?
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 1:50 PM PST up reply actions
he said earlier in one of these mega threads
that he didn’t like it at all ( I believe was close to the verbage).
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 2:36 PM PST up reply actions
Gut reaction
I’m really excited about this. I feel Carroll’s the anti-Mora, and I’m looking forward to watching what he can do.
I don’t think the college —> NFL fears carry a lot of water, especially with the evolution of the college offense. Carroll’s an energy guy, and I think this roster is going to reflect that on the field. I definitely think he’s respected, unlike Mora.
Uh oh:
Eagles GM Tom Heckert and Ravens director of player personnel Eric DeCosta canceled their previously scheduled interviews — both before Carroll’s name surfaced. Heckert canceled shortly after his visit to Cleveland and DeCosta canceled earlier this week.
if Caroll isn't GM
I feel a lot better about this. If we seriously hired somebody with no GM experience to be GM and coach of an NFL football team we are all doomed.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 2:01 PM PST up reply actions
We are now D.C. West
Thank you Danny. Thank you. What a great group to belong to. One Fucked up move.
It is what it is...
More reports:
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen reports that the Seahawks’ hire of USC’s Pete Carroll to be their next head coach is “looming.”
According to the LA Times, the Seahawks interviewed Carroll earlier this week, and Mortensen says he has “multiple sources now confirming” that Carroll will replace Jim Mora. Seahawks beat writer Danny O’Neil reports Carroll is in the process of building a coaching staff, specifically targeting UCLA defensive coordinator DeWayne Walker. Carroll’s offensive coordinator hire will have the biggest fantasy impact. Carroll is a defensive mind.
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