Report: Seahawks to Hire Pete Carroll as Next Head Coach
Chris Mortensen broke it on his Twitter stream, but from that shaky foundation, a bona fide news story has arose.
Pete Carroll will be the next head coach of the Seattle Seahawks. Any other outcome seems very unlikely. Any other outcome would require something sudden and unexpected. This is going to happen. Let us prepare ourselves.
I will not attempt to evaluate Carroll the coach, but here's a jumping off point to understanding Carroll the man.Carroll is a late bloomer with assumed, but undiagnosed attention deficit disorder. He finished his NFL head coaching career 33-31 in the regular season, and 1-2 in the post season. Much of why Carroll was viewed as an unsuccessful coach is that his style is unorthodox. He doesn't believe in harassing his players towards victory. He is, without hyperbole, the ultimate player's coach. Much of this information was gleaned from an expansive New York Times profile.
One reason for Carroll’s success with college players is his pure, joyous physicality. He runs everywhere during practice. He gets in the middle of drills. He throws a football throughout practice and usually has at least one junior staff member assigned to be on the other end of his permanent game of catch. He once demonstrated how a ball carrier should score from a few yards out by taking a handoff himself and diving into the end zone, landing on his back. “The guys didn’t know whether to catch him or hit him,” says Daryl Gross, who as an associate athletic director at U.S.C. was instrumental in Carroll’s hiring. (Gross is now the athletic director at Syracuse.) I walked in on Carroll late one night in his second-floor office in the athletics building. He was watching film of Oregon, with Neil Young blasting in the background while he fingered a baseball bat as if it were a guitar. He looked blissfully happy.
Everyone around Carroll — and Carroll himself — talks casually of his attention-deficit disorder. It has never been formally diagnosed; it’s just assumed. There’s a school of thought in the psychological community that A.D.D. is a gift, or can be, and Carroll, informally, is an adherent. “I like to say A.D.D. is a beautiful thing and I never get bored,” he told me. “I’m sort of joking, but there are some benefits to having a mind that allows you to juggle a whole bunch of different things. You can talk to me for five minutes and be telling me something, but I’m going to pick up the essence of what you’re saying, and the rest of it I might not seem like I hear. But I get it, or I get what I need. It’s just that I might also be doing something else at the time while you’re talking” — which he admits can drive people crazy. Perhaps, but it’s a lot more likely to bother an adult than someone the age of Carroll’s players. High energy? Easily distracted? That pretty much defines them.
Carroll is 58, but, if I may, he possesses the attitude of a much younger man. He is open and curious and enthusiastic. I like that. It doesn't make him a good coach, but, again, I like that. He buys into Eastern philosophy by way of Western entrepreneurialism and is perhaps the most famous proponent of The Inner Game of Tennis. You can see why he wasn't welcome in New York. This kind of 70s era, pseudo-metaphysical guru crap has not aged well, and phrases like "Self 1" and "Self 2" seem quaint or troublingly batshit in post millennial America. One worries that someone who prescribes to the "inner game" might miss the outer, actual game, and fool himself into thinking failed players are not incapable, but just not thinking correctly.
I have no idea what kind of NFL coach Carroll will be. Coaches are given far too much credit for their team's failure and success. At best, we can assess their decisions and attempt to determine how those decisions impact a team's failure or success. Carroll was USC's fourth choice. He stumbled into the job after others declined. He made USC a recruiting hot spot, the so-called 33rd team in the NFL, and that made him a great college head coach. Carroll cannot repeat that feat in Seattle. Perhaps meaning his greatest success and the best evidence of his ability is about to be stripped from him.
He will field a 3-4. That alone makes this a somewhat exciting move. Carroll himself is the so called defensive mastermind, but like Jim Mora, he is a collaborator. New Mexico State Head Coach DeWayne Walker is reportedly Carroll's pick for defensive coordinator. Walker has served primarily as a defensive backs coach. Walker took over a terrible team and made it more terrible. The Aggies ranked dead last in FEI, and ahead of only WSU and Eastern Michigan in S&P.
That doesn't mean a whole lot. None of this does. It's information. Extraneous, trivial information. The real assessment starts today.
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I'm going to be physically ill
Both of my teams killed with one blow
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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 2:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Maybe there's still hope?
Frazier will have that interview after all.
The best DE/DT combo in the league makes them great.
I’d be curious if they simply pay him to interview and then pick his brain about what he would do with the Hawks personnel as a reference going forward.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions
The personnel is damn good.
And Jared Allen… yeah.
by Brendan Scolari on Jan 9, 2010 5:28 AM PST up reply actions
Was it?
I thought they actually had to conduct an interview.
It wasn't, that's why Frazier is doing it.
Why would he leave Minnesota for the same job here?
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 3:13 PM PST up reply actions
So, I had to go look it up
But you’re right, you have to physically interview a minority, rather than just attempt it. We need to interview an Asian.
I wonder if Frazier has a chance.
Seems odd that he would accept an interview with no chance of getting the job.
Yeah, he's a legitimate head coaching candidate
There are other people to fulfill the Rooney rule, Frazier doesn’t need to bother.
that would be an amazing turn of events
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions
What's funny is I don't even know if I like Frazier, but Carroll just scares the crap out of me, especially if he gets total control.
I’d probably be fine with Frazier getting the job just because of that.
Carroll is a done deal, Frazier is simply for the Rooney Rule
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, Carroll is probably a done deal.
But I am curious as to why Frazier all of the sudden decided to do the interview.
Yeah, I dont know either.
He’s Assistant Head Coach and DC in Minnesota, the only reason to leave for the same job is a big raise. But if you’re paying big money to Carroll, why bring Frazier in for big money? Just hire Frazier and get a real GM.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
That he has no experience and will probably struggle.
Recruiting an unlimited number of players and seeing which one wins out is nothing like constructing an NFL roster.
agreed
Just wanted your thoughts. Do you think we still hire a GM? That significantly changes my view of this move.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions
Did anyone else hear
That the Hawks were speaking to Dungy to come on board as well? It was sent to me by a friend but I can’t find a link anywhere stating this?
I guess we will know his impact
when we do or don’t draft Taylor Mays at #6
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions
I think we'd still hire a GM.
From what I’ve read, it would be more like an Andy Reid type situation where Carroll would have final say on all personnel.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions
I dig how both of those teams are built
that would make me much happier.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions
I would love it if we got one of those guys.
But there is a chance that Ross is in there just to satisfy the Rooney requirement. We had Jimmy Raye from the Chargers on the original list of 10, but as far as I know he never interviewed, so we still need a minority canidate to come in.
I hope Ross gets a real chance, but I wonder if it matters that he comes from a team known for having a dominate 4-3 defense if we’re going to switch to a 3-4.
by Mind of no mind on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions
I think Ross is the favorite, barring Kirwan
I think he could work with Carroll, not butt heads, but also not be intimidated.
Priority
If they decide to go with a 3-4 defense, then what would be some of the Primary targets for the new GM in FA?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting thought..
I wonder if this unique uncapped RFA heavy year will bring a level of trading to the NFL that we’ve never seen before.
I also wonder if a traded player in his original contract remains an RFA or becomes something else if traded to a different non-original team…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions
That was, maybe still will be, today's podcast
First I’m going to do the Ross score and then we’ll see.
Excellent.
I can’t wait!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Title
Recruiter hired as actual NFL coach.
by paul2 on Jan 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions
Guess they didn't learn anything from the Spurrier/Petrino fiascos
Hope this hire turns out better, if indeed it does turn out to be Carroll.
But man … this sure screams like a “throw lots of money at a problem & hope it goes away” type solution.
Well at least
Carroll has NFL coaching experience and so does the staff that he is rumored to be putting together. So that does make me feel a ton better. Even though I am not fully sold on Carroll.
So USC is targeting Mike Riley
I don’t think Riley will go, but if he does, the Hawks signing Carroll just dicked both my teams.
I feel the same way right now.
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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Carroll will look terrible if USC gets hit with a bunch of penalties after the fact
and the Hawks will have given him a golden parachute.
Welcome to SC North, college to pro.
If he gets hired by Seattle I fully expect the NCAA
To kill USC football within a week.
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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
This has been my fear since the McKnight story broke.
It will be the early 90s all over again.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 3:44 PM PST up reply actions
I hope Trojan football is killed
I hate USC.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Not even the best in it's own city. UCLA is a better campus...
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Never been to either, but I hear USC is the private rich school in the middle of a crap area.
UCLA is the public school in the middle of gorgeousville, USA (gorgeous for California anyways, nothing compares to being on Lake Washington).
Correct.
USC is smack dab in the middle of Exposition Park, which is just south of downtown LA and right around where LA becomes South Central LA. (Or South LA, as they call it now)
UCLA is in Westwood, which is pretty much the richest part of LA, in that pocket of the city east of the 405 and north of the I-10 where the major commercial district is and all the film companies have their offices.
Spoken like a midwesterner.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
University of Caucasian Lost among Asians?
by aerozeppelin on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
Moreso than UW?
Or Edmonds Community College?
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Too many gramatical errors!
The Hawks should be better.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
have you ever tried to park at UCLA?
SC’s campus is great, inside the walls. outside is a different story.
Good point... it was hard to find a spot.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 10, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions
Well that has changed somewhat.
They keep buying up the surrounding area.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
I did more than a few times
Its not that bad in the immediate area around campus.
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As a PLU student, sadly yes.
Parkland is one of the armpits of Washington. The other is a town called Gorst.
Ever been on Highway 12 or 508?
Don’t sell Washington short. There are plenty of backroad armpits…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:33 PM PST up reply actions
Yay for UW!!! We really liked the early 90's around here!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions
Will he go earlier?!?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions
Reggie Bush lite, I've heard.
I think he’ll be drafted earlier than I’d feel comfortable us drafting him.
Welcome to the club!
Watch out for the Browns fans, they’ll steal your booze. And don’t mine the Bengals fans, they’ll come crawling back.
by Skinsmaniac on Jan 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Nervous Excitement
I found it interesting that Carroll is considered a defense genius, i thought he was an offense guy. Love the fact that he is going to bring the 3-4, that alone is exciting. John, what of the rumors and reports he will be packaged with Pat Kirwin? What are your thoughts on that?
PC is an awful offensive coach.
And his desire to prove otherwise has hurt the Trojans the last few years.
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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Who might be his OC?
What about a return of Jim Zorn?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST up reply actions
I liked Knapp.
Well there had to be one somewhere.
What? No SOUL?
by mrcoffee1969 on Jan 11, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions
Which is sort of a shame.
Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn will catch on somewhere and they deserve a chance without Mora being above them.
Quinn has 3-4 experience
and Zerrick Rollins has had a lot of success, plus Lofa is on record as loving him.
I’m hoping there’s a chance those 2 guys stick around.
"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg
Hopefully someone he will let call their own plays
If it’s a young guy theN that means Pete learned nothing the last few years and will call the same bull shit hyper conservative offense he’s been calling since Norm left.
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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
No, that's the part that has me so excited I'm having a heart attack.
Carroll I’m on the fence about. I’m taking a wait and see approach, but the 3-4 has intrigued me for a while, ever since it started giving Peyton Manning fits.
Leinart a Seahawk?
Do you think Carroll might try to bring in a QB like leinart?
I actually would be excited for Leinart.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST up reply actions
Jesus.
Just watched the opening of Sportcenter. (First time in ages.)
Someone (maybe Mortensen) said that part of the reason the situation may be right for Carrol is that he has a “quarterback that can take him to the SB right away in Hasselbeck.”
FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.
If that’s the reason he’s coming, we’re FUCKED.
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He's been busy coaching, he can't watch Seahawks games.
Plus he can’t say ‘well, I’m not too happy having a weak armed QB who makes bad decisions.’ That would just be awkward.
Making my head spin!
All these rumors and reports are making my head spin. I am psyched to have Mora gone, but this is crazy shit right now. I just hope the powers that be know what they are doing. This is a make or break time for our beloved hawks!
Hasselbeck will be OK
I am OK with Hasselbeck for another year as long as they surround him on offense with some explosive talent and fix the tackles. But they have to start grooming his replacement, Kevin Kolb please!!!!!
Hasselbeck has been awful for two straight seasons
It’s foolish to fix everything around him and ignore his age, injury history and performance.
Agreed
I am tired of the game ending interceptions tht have been common place when we are in a close game the past two years.
That just gave me an idea for a fanpost.
Whether I’ll actually write it is a different story.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
How was he awful in 2008?
He didnt play…. Seneca was awful.
Matt started seven games last season.
He completed 52.2% of his passes, threw five TDs and ten INTs.
Kolb is nearly untouchable.
Cutler came cheaper than cold would. Erase Kolb from your mind. He’s Philly’s QB of the future, not Seattle’s…
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions
New Yes
I am New but an avid reader all year, finally excited enough to post!
Also coffee is in the back along with some lemonbars.
BrianL can direct you towards your seat. abender will be around to serve hot towels.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Hasselbeck is not the long term answer
I know Hasselbeck has been bad, but I would prefer to keep him to groom a rookie instead of trying to start someone else. He is not the long term answer, but he doesn’t seem to be the worst option either.
A healthy Matt probably isn't the worst option, but he's making 10 mil next season.
It’s not Matt’s job to mentor a young QB, that’s on the coaching staff.
true
and if the rumors are true, Bates comes in to be OC. Cutler certainly looked great in Denver under his watch.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions
Besides JaMarcus and Seneca, who is a worse option (realistically)?
Derek Anderson, Gradkowski, Chris Simms, all guys I’d rather give a chance to than Hasselbeck. At least they’re young.
I'd like JaMarcus in a backup/learning role.
He was woefully unprepared for a starting job when he got it, but he’s still uber-talented and if the right coaching got ahold of him, who knows…
Notice, I did say backup role.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
He just seems disinterested in actually playing football.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
Just a flier guy... a reclamation project on the cheap.
Would I give up anything for him? Hell no.
Doesn’t matter anyway. It’s just my idealization of man, I still despite all the contradictory evidence around me, see the best in people and their potential.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
That's great and all, but I don't think Russell wants to play in the NFL.
I think he stumbled into riches and is totally cool with that.
Hey John, I think you're right...

by aerozeppelin on Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Russell blew off final meetings on Monday,
to go to the Palms in Vegas. He’s cool with the riches all right.
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Anderson???
yuck.
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Mark Sanchezk wishes Pete the best of luck, but reiterated that
he doesn’t think his old coach is ready to be back in the NFL just yet.
by Lyn Cassady on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST reply actions 2 recs
Zing!
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions
Ugh.
Pete Carroll I’m ambivalent about, as long as he’s just the coach. But if he’s also the GM, or they hire Pat Kirwan for any reason at all, this is awful.
Wildcat Coordinator?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:42 PM PST up reply actions
Funny "should Mora have been fired" SportsNation map
The fuck do you know, rest of the country?
by lemonverbena on Jan 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
Haha
I hate that show
I'm glad the Hawks get no media attention/NFL fan love. Makes it so much more fun when we win.
by apuskwikemart on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Hi! We're from... Delaware.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
YES
Excellent reference!
The Hawks should be better.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 8, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions
I'm from Delaware.
Good to see my 4% made a difference.
I love the little speck of red
Against a massive field of blue on the SN map.
Damn the Man! Flout Authority! Fire Mora!
Hey, we picked up New Mexico
Because they watch us play the Cardinals twice a year and can see Mora struggling. Arizonans did too but why the heck would they want us to make a change?
what you do now, round eye?
"I was stunned when Mora was fired because he had one more win than Holmgren last year." - Kornheiser on PTI
Good god.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
I hate Kornholer more than any other announcer, bar none.
Give me Dick Stockton and Brian Billick philacing each other over him any day.
I haven't watched PTI in a while,
but it’s good because the guys are funny and have a sense of camaraderie. It’s not good because Kornheiser and Wilbon know suprisingly little about sports.
Rofl rofl...
FieldGulls feels like such a haven sometimes.
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same here
makes me go from absolutely hating the move to being completely impartial.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:46 PM PST up reply actions
Interesting. I don't like the idea of a GM/Coach.
But a coach who has final say or at least a good portion of say so it’s not as if the GM is the coach’s definitive superior is an idea I like.
My geography knowledge of the usa isn't very good, but even I knew that
and then I read your comment and laughed.
This is the most national media attention the Seahawks have been given since Holmgren announced he was leaving.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
I would have been much happier with some no name Ravens scout and a whipper snapper offensive coordinator from the Saints that no one cared about
Needs!
I just hope whomever they bring in, they work to bring in the best talent and utilize our existing talent to the max. I hope they don’t bring in a bunch of “their guys” again and force BS schemes with non-existing talent. The move to 3-4 is a great start.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions
What a F'ing circus!
When the dust settles, I will be interested to see an actual direction. Super excited about the 3-4 potential, really fits our players. That way we can use the talent we got and spice up the offense.
STOP TALKING ABOUT LEMONBARS!
Ugh I’m so hungry now. I havn’t had lemonbars in ages and they are one of my favorites. :(
Maybe I can convince my female roommates to cook me some tonight after they get drunk…they love to cook while drunk.
You probably need the ingredients first.
I don’t know how to make them, but I’m guessing you can’t make them from whatever’s sitting around in the fridge/cupboards.
Wait you have female roommates that cook drunk?
Do they wear tiny aprons?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions
My Mom actually got my friends wife for her shower gift a tiny apron.
And said its a big hit what you wear underneath or don’t wear.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions
It fits our linebacker situation
but not our D-line at all. Unless we draft Ndamukong Suh x 2, which would be ideal.
Assuming we can't land McCoy
Mebane and Price would be nice as well.
With 2 Suh's, I say 3-4, Mebane in the middle with the two Suh's sucking up double blocking leaving him solo.
Jesus that would be sweet. We’d get a legit passrush with 3 DL.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions
We have Curry and Hill
So not sure how that would work out at OLB.
Consider trading Hill.
I’ve been thinking about this move.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
He's not better than Hill
Hill has the overall package of a good complementary inside linebacker. Tatupu and Hill are the foundation of an excellent 3-4 run defense. One to blow up the blocker; One to blow up the back.
What about sliding Curry inside?
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Lawrence Timmons disagrees.
I’m not sure, I’m just thinking of all possibilities here.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions
He could add weight to his frame at OLB too!
But that doesn’t solve the problem at safety.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions
Babs played well enough I don't fear our safety problem as much anymore.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:58 PM PST up reply actions
Thinking the same.
I was debating a 3-2-6 too, heheh.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
I think we are better off than you think
I think we have Bane, and Bryant might be better suited for this, resign Redding, and Cole as a back-up, get another nice big disruptive DT and we are set. See ya to Kerney, and Terrill, happy Days!
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions
Pretty much agree with everything you just said.
Though I want Cole to go bye bye. But there is worse things then him taking Terrill’s time.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions
Who knows if it has any relavence but...
I remember when the article about Mora wanting Hasselbeck back thinking “Ooooo not a good move, you may have just sealed your fate Jim.”
I'm something of an optimist...
I can live with Carroll getting final say, if grudgingly, as long as a real NFL personnel guy is running the day-to-day ops.
I wonder if Norm Chow ends up in Seattle as OC?
One thing I like about Carroll is that he’s a true CEO type. He collaborates, sets direction, and lets his coaches coach.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Pete is a dictator who wants all the credit
That’s why Norm left.
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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 4:17 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
They're already interviewing Frazier so the Rooney Rule has already been used.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
John Morgan only eats at McDonalds and has Allstate insurance.
Also listens to Boyz 2 Men.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Seems more like a Johnny Gill type of person to me.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Boy, this is all up in the middle of your day out West
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Except that day I had actual work.
Today I’m just sitting on my ass. Slightly disturbed on how many girls bras colors I know – Including my Aunt.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions
Haven't you been seeing all the Color updates on FB?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions
Normally I would say.
We should start a testicular cancer awareness and post our boxers but my mother is actually having Breast cancer surgery next week.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions
I think we should. But after next week.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:02 PM PST up reply actions
Prostate cancer... it doesn't get nearly the press of breast cancer, because it's a guy thing.
Not everyone has a dad. Everyone has a mother…
The most commonly diagnosed non-skin cancer in the United States, prostate cancer will afflict one in six American men over the course of his lifetime and an American man is actually 33 percent more likely to develop prostate cancer than an American woman is to develop breast cancer.
The Prostate Cancer Foundation says that over 232,000 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2005, and 30,000 men will die from it. It is estimated that there are over 2 million American men currently living with prostate cancer.
In the United States, one new case of prostate cancer occurs every 2.5 minutes and a man dies from the disease every 17 minutes. The chance of developing prostate cancer increases rapidly after age 50. More than 70 percent of all prostate cancers are diagnosed in men over the age of 65.
Prostate cancer is the second-leading cause (next to lung cancer) of cancer-related deaths among men in the U.S. African-American men are 65 percent more likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer than Caucasian-Americans and are more than twice as likely to die from it.
However, because prostate cancer is a relatively slow-growing cancer, the 5-year survival rate for prostate cancer diagnosed at all stages is 98%. The 10-year survival rate is 84% and the 15-year survival rate is 56%.
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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
Old numbers... 2005.... but still.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions
There we go.
This is our time. (After my mother in Law is doing ok)
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Prostate cancer doesn't get enough press?
Puh-lease.
(I’m in the testicular cancer gang and we’re tired of the whining from both y’all’s sucka crews!)
Could we just combine the awareness?
Team Men Genitalia?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:18 PM PST up reply actions
Have you looked outside?
It’s like Satan took a shit on Portland.
by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Brian Russell was released from the Seattle Seahawks in September 2009.
There is a serious chance we go 3-13 or 2-14 with him starting regularly.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Hey, man...
…we can have a truce, but where I’m coming from, you either a “Baller” or you aint.
by TheLaird on Jan 8, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
That's what those stupid colors meant?
No wonder. All I see are ‘black’ ‘pink’ ‘bright purple’ ‘white’ and I was confused as hell. Funny how I didn’t notice that it was only females doing it.
Totally.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions
Before this news, I was doing a puzzle at work with my boss.
So… whether or not it’s more of a waste is debatable.
So, at some point in the next couple of days we're all going to get behind the idea of Pete Carroll and they are going to hire Leslie Frazier.
Could easily happen
Talks with Carroll could break down. Recall, Carroll was USC’s fourth choice.
Also, I think all coaching interviews aren’t just for the job at hand but for future openings. Jim Mora only lasted one season. Also, executives move from team to team.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Seahawks addicts is saying Kirwan
“Pat Kirwan was just on Sirius radio insinuatig that he and Carroll are a package deal, so look for him as your next GM.”
I left the gross misspelling in there for shits and giggles.
Isn't Kirwan a negotiator and a cap guy
something like Mike Reinfeldt?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Their source seems legit
Kirwan talking on Siruis. Hopefully just tooting his own horn.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
Sando mentioned it today too
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Don't mean to imply that Sando made it out to be a done deal
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I just know he hasn't been envolved with the NFL for a while
and that should automatically exclude him from coming near the Seahawks. At least Carroll has success in football outside of a microphone.
I'm no advocate for Kirwan...
but that’s kind of the format on NFL radio at least. The audience grunts a lot.
Also, Kirwan may not be a GM candidate but potentially an adviser or consultant.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
^^ Kirwan was mostly a cap guy and contract negotiator with the Jets
Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Kirwan
GM seems like a big stretch.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
even as a cap guy
that was 12 years ago, what can he possibly bring to the table now.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions
He could negotiate contracts for a guy
who has no idea about anything related to contract negotiations.
That doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that's hard to keep up on
I understand that Kirwan consults for player agents in negotiations.
Again, I’m not advocating for the guy but I don’t think it’s wise to assume he’s disconnected. Kirwan has lots of relationships with people around the league. That doesn’t make him the best candidate for a position with Seattle but as fans it might be wise for all of us not to be casually dismissive.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
What a mess!
Carroll with total control on personnel decisions, maybe a guy like Kirwan will be a good fit for where Carroll is lacking? Hopefully they have some solid scounting and bring in John Morgan in a consulting role.
Oops, I just spoke of him whose name who do not speak…..
John Morgan once killed a Grizzly Bear with his bare hands.
But when he found out it had Bear cubs he brought it back to life.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Heckert to be GM of Browns, officially:
The Browns will reportedly introduce Tom Heckert as their new GM at a press conference on Monday.
They may also hire Seahawks director of pro personnel Will Lewis in a lower-level capacity. Lewis interviewed for the GM job on Friday, but Heckert got it. Heckert has been the GM in Philadelphia since 2006, but always lacked “final say” with regard to the Eagles’ roster. It remains to be seen if he’ll have those responsibilities under Mike Holmgren in Cleveland.
Whats wrong with Seattle?
We are going to hire a coach before a GM, and look at this circus, that is whats wrong, our organization is a joke right now.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions
Is Webster just keeping a seat warm?
If this deal is that close to being done that Mora was let go why not Webster as well?
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
No more Decosta
I read earlier that Decosta is not going to interview with the Hawks, Heckert is out of the mix and so is the Packers guy, so who is left on the list of four that they had supposedly narrowed it down to? They Steve K. guy from Arizona? Anyone else herad this?
Who the fuck is Bob Ross?
He didn’t sell me my pants.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions
Happy happy players.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
Kirwan is such a douche
That makes me furious. I hate Cronies unless I’m directly benefiting from being one.
I definitely agree with that
Kirwan sets off my douche meter. But the guy is no idiot.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Not high enough to hire
but high enough not to be dismissed on principle.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Seattle could have theoretically almost anyone they wanted
Kirwan is a pretty damn huge disappointment.
You'll get no argument there
But the team has interviewed Ross already whereas the Kirwan thing is only a rumor, and we’re not even sure he would be considered for the GM position (as opposed to something else).
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Kirwan pissed me off after the arbitrator ruled on Hutch
When Ruskell signed Burly to his own “poison pill” deal with easily voidable terms meant just to tweak his nose at the process Kirwan said that Ruskell was being overly emotional.
He never mentioned that Ruskell included the terms to make a point. He wasn’t paying Burleson the same as Hutch. It was just kind of a douche thing to do.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I wish Kirwan was being rude rather than ignorant
I get from some of what I’ve read of his that he doesn’t understand and can’t be bothered to try.
Branch to Denver?
If they bring in Denvers former OC, then does that make the Branch to Denver trade for Marshall and a pick likely? John, your thoughts?
Who does KC or New England have that we might value in a trade for branch?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions
What might we get back?
We gave up a first rounder to get Branch, I wonder what we might get back with a draft pick to get rid of his ass?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:32 PM PST up reply actions
an empty bag of popcorn and a packet of ketchup.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions
I eat your lemonbars! I eat them up!
--Shrug
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by Shrug on Jan 8, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
This kinda makes the playoffs irrelevant. The next few months should be interesting.
in a shotgun pointed at your head kind of way.
You said a mouthful!
This is the most interested I have been in Seahawks football all year.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions
I have to admit, I was always intrigued by Caroll coming back to the NFL
Just not sure I wanted it to be the Seahawks to find out how he’d do
I'm not particularly happy about this
But if we’re really switching to a 3-4 then I’m kind of excited. I’ve always wondered what it would be like to run that with this awesome group of LBs. Lo-Jack seems like a great fit there, but do you guys think Mebane is big enough for NT?
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He played comfortably in the 320 range.
He puts on weight in the right places. Just needs an early heads up to start packing on the pounds again.
That'd be awesome
Maybe Tapp can turn into Elvis Dumervil 2 or something. Sure would make our secondary look a lot better.
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Tapp can move around, he won't become Dumervil, but he should be very productive
and maybe he’ll even get to slim down and play at his natural weight.
In a 3-4 Tapp needs to be moved to OLB
I’m assuming this is probably what you mean, Tapp at OLB in a 3-4.
I think we are wasting this guy’s talent at DE. In the 4-3, Tapp can’t stand up against runs to his side as it is. I can’t see him succeeding there in a 3-4 where the DEs need height and weight.
I would move Tapp to OLB and Hill to ILB, Mebane to NT. It could open up some pass rush, and it can’t be any less effective that what we did last year.
"Football players are temperamental. That's 90 percent temper and 10 percent mental." - Doug Plank
Does not make it true
Just they are reporting it.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions
I think it is but
Until he’s at a presser in Seattle I am not going to get over excited, he’s been known to tease the NFL before.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
They interview Frazier tomorrow in Minny right?
so probably no official announcement until Monday I would think.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Frazier needs to take VMAC by storm
and win over everyone! with Lemonbars.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:36 PM PST up reply actions
The trick
is to coat them with strawberry preserves.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Successful NFL coordinator
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
That doesn't equal a great head coach
McDaniels was successful too, so what? Plus he uses a version of the Tampa 2 (not exactly a new direction there) which itself is more a product of the amazing talent they have a long the D-line.
Someone always says that
because he is technically correct, but it’s as done as deals get before they’re done.
Via L.A. Times the deal is worth 7 million a year
Although the Seahawks and Carroll are close to a deal, which is believed to be a five-year contract to become president and head coach at $7 million a year, nothing has been signed, said sources close to the situation who are not authorized to speak on his behalf.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
BANE!
The Hawks should be better.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Most of us wanted change
But this looks like we are not only going to clean house, but knock the whole fucking thing down!
At least they haven't announced a move to another state..
Yet
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions
I don't get why everyone is freaked out about PC possibly being the coach.
I’m going to be excited with whoever the Seahawks choose. I want to see the offseason play out, and then next season pass before I even decide to try to have any negative judgment. I think most people are just being clouded by their hatred of USC. I’ll only turn sour on all of this if we end up drafting Taylor Mays with one of our 2 top picks. :P
How do you feel about Roy Williams the safety?
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
Where is he playing these days? Thats how I feel.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
Bengals.
And would still rather lay a big hit then play the ball.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
This.
I want sound coverage and play at safety. Not a guy who wants to make highlight reels.
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 8, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
He's a freak of nature. I like him but I am bias.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions
He also has no lateral movement and was completely exposed without a elite D in front of him.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions
He palyed the year with an injured knee.
Lets see how he does at the combine.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions
He'll excel at the combine.
Thats why he is rated so high. I just think he has Bust all over him if he continues to play safety.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
It's like...y'know, it's like....
Well, it’s this thing where….like…someone knows things, and then they like, y’know….tell you how to do them? Like when Morgan tells us how to think.
LB stuck in a safety's body is the most common criticism
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Thomas Davis (CAR) made the transition
but he’s a mediocre linebacker. He wasn’t a good coverage safety and so he isn’t a good cover linebacker, but lacks the size to really fill in the run game and get through traffic.
I fear that Mays is a similar kind of tweener, but I didn’t see much USC this year.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
He can add 15 to 20 lbs easy. Not a tweener at that size and weight.
He’s also a good “In the Box” safety.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:51 PM PST up reply actions
UW fans owe Paul Allen a huge thank you.
He hires Mora so they go and get Sark and Holt from SC. Then he hires Carroll, basically decapitating a division rival. What could make this better would be SC hiring Sark back as head coach and Mora getting an offer from UW.
I bet he likes Seattle too...
Always tough to replace a legend. Ask Mora.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions
I feel like I am dreaming
Or is it a nightmare? I didn’t see this coming at all. It is interesting, but usually the interesting stuff doesn’t happen to Seattle. I don’t know how to feel about this
by TheSteelersRuinedMyBirthday on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions
Surprisingly not a terrible movie.
Terribly mismarketed though.
"I call the big one Bitey."-Homer J. Simpson
by Willie Mays Haze on Jan 8, 2010 7:14 PM PST up reply actions
Per O'Neil
Update at 4:35 p.m.: Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated chimed in via Twitter that it is not a done deal Frazier will in fact interview. Stay tuned.
I think we have to interview him
Because of the Rooney rule.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:42 PM PST up reply actions
Allen may just want to pay the fine and be done with this.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions
Don't think it's just a fine
I think the commish can take picks.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Accompanied by the (clear) implied threat of tougher sanctions
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
For 250K we can fly in Frazier and his family
First class and even feed them.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:48 PM PST up reply actions
"We offered candidates the opportunity to interview, they declined. We are working on
a timeline so we had to move forward and make our hire."
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
You probably also want at least *some* leverage in negotiations
It’s generally bad form to interview just one person for a position, Rooney Rule or not.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
A few reasons why this is arguably a good thing
-First year coaches are rarely fired. When they are, its usually because a new GM (like Parcells) comes in and wants his own guy. The fact that Mora was fired, so quickly and with no GM in place is very unusual. The fact that talks between Seattle and Carroll occurred at the same time, I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Seattle asked Carroll if he was interested, he was, and Mora got the ax. I can’t prove that’s exactly what happened, but it seems like the most likely scenario. Carroll, at his worst, wouldn’t really be any worse than Mora. If Mora’s quick firing resulted from Carroll’s interest, that has to be considered a silver lining.
-Most college coaches fail at the NFL level. But that is partially because a lot of those college coaches (like Spurrier) run a wacky college offense that won’t work in the NFL. Carroll ran a pro-style offense at USC. Additionally, he has some prior NFL coaching experience. So he’s not your typical college-to-pros coach experiment.
-USC is loaded with talent, including backups that never played. At one point, even Matt Cassel, who never played a snap in college, was a valuable NFL commodity. There are going to be good, NFL caliber players on USC’s roster that scouts won’t know much about because they didn’t play much. Carroll has an inside connection there. It wouldn’t surprise me if Seattle was getting some late round steals the next couple drafts.
This is the most obvious perk the hiring would remove Carroll from USC and open the pac-10 up for teams like UW. For this fact alone, I’m a fan of this hiring.
-Even if Carroll is a disaster, the team is likely going to be rebuilding the next 3 years anyway. If Carroll doesn’t work out, Seattle could hire another coach a few years down the road when a good base of offensive talent is there to work with.
by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
From Eric Williams: Report: Carroll close to 5-year deal, worth $7 M a year
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
Whoops, meant to make a new post all together.
Apparently I’ve lost my mind.
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST up reply actions
If the team is rebuilding the next three years and fails than it will be rebuilding for another three after that
If it fails to rebuild it won't be the fault of a head coach
Now if Carroll becomes the GM or has GM type authority (like Shanahan), I’d see your point.
Kirwan… I’ll believe it when its official. Vulcan inc. is normally pretty intelligent in their process. At least Carroll makes a tiny bit of sense. Kirwan makes no sense at all, Carroll bff or not.
Dropping a 5 year, 35 million dollar deal on a coach before hiring a GM would be really stupid
Kirwin and Carroll are a package.
I'm pretty sure Carroll will be the GM
Then they will hire someone else to be president. At the very least I’m pretty sure Carroll will have the final say on anything to do with players.
I think its the other way around.
Carroll will be president and head coach, someone else as GM. I’m praying it’s Ross.
I'm incredibly pessimistic right now but I'm guessing Frazier and Ross are nothing more that Rooney Rulers
Boy I hope not. I don't see any reason why they'd want Kirwan as GM.
If he came on as some kind of consultant I could probably live with that, but I have a bad feeling.
I mean, Kirwin hasn't worked for an NFL in 10 years or so.
Are they really dumb enough to give him a GM position.*
*No one answer that!
I feel bad for Frazier
He’s the tolken Rooney rule guy. Last year and now this year it’d be twice, since he already interviewed with the Bills. I wonder if he gets some kinda kickback for that.
Yeah Sando said the fine would be $200K
if they don’t interview a minority. How about pay Frazier fifty thou for coming out for an interivew?
Also remember that what you responded to was a worst case scenario for Pete Carroll, the coach.
GM wasn’t part of my point.
We don’t know who the next GM will be. It could still be Ross or someone qualified. If Carroll or Kirwan becomes the next GM, I’ll grab my pitchfork.
Okay guys...
now I want lemon bars.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
I've heard this only on the radio, so I'll try and find a link confirming
but the LA Times is apparently reporting Carroll is going to receive a 5 year deal at $7 million per.
Why not?
I think I prefer Carroll to some premadonna like Gruden or Cowher, I am just worried about his leadership skills. This team needs someone to unite and lead them, is Carroll capable of this?
5 years for $7m
deal is close
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
LA Times is saying 7 million a year
Same amount Shanahan got. I didn’t like the Redskins giving him all that power but at least he has a couple of Super Bowls. Business minds making football moves is never good.
by Badmotostinkfinger on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST reply actions
John maybe you can cover what you think
Our QB situation will be if you have time because I am really curious as to what might Carroll will do and your take on it.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:56 PM PST up reply actions
Looking forward to it, enjoying my first day on your sight as a participant
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:57 PM PST up reply actions
Its not an addiction so much as a disease. You learn to live with it.
alcohol helps.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Thoughts on the Korp transfer?
Who is the primary backup now, Mustain?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Boy, if for some reason this doesn't go down now...
It would be a major buzz kill. I have my doubts but the deal seems done.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Awesome misdirection. But I think Pete wants to stick it to Mike Garrett.
Garrett should get canned after this.
by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Buzz birth?
I'm glad the Hawks get no media attention/NFL fan love. Makes it so much more fun when we win.
by apuskwikemart on Jan 8, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions
Speaking of Which...
It;s 5:00 on Friday, why am I pressing Z on Field Gulls when I should be getting the hell out of hear to give Birth to my Buzz at home?
If we got Vick, I would become a Raiders fan, at least they showed improvement towards the end of the season.
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:58 PM PST up reply actions
Texans!!!!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions
LA Times via KING-5:
5-year deal, Carroll is both head coach and team president.
--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog
Can't wait for Carroll to do some recruting!
He’s going to get some of the best high schoolers around to play for the Seahawks.
/and it might be an improvement.
I will take his success from USC here at Seattle anyday!
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
But will he be successfull without 100 players on the roster
that he can tell to do whatever he wants or he’ll take their scholarship away?
Haha
I’m on board!
I'm glad the Hawks get no media attention/NFL fan love. Makes it so much more fun when we win.
by apuskwikemart on Jan 8, 2010 5:08 PM PST up reply actions
Seattle offering "exorbitant" money to Carroll
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/08/seattle-dangling-exorbitant-money-to-carroll/
With the Seattle Seahawks dumping coach Jim Mora and pursuing Pete Carroll, Jay Glazer of FOX reports that the Seahawks are offering the USC coach an “exorbitant” amount of money.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 5:10 PM PST reply actions
And by exorbitant they mean the same amount that Housh makes a year
by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 5:13 PM PST up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Carroll can whine and point fingers at others as good as TJ too
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 5:18 PM PST up reply actions
Great point.
Teams actually underpay coaches when you consider how integral a coach is compared to a single player…
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 5:35 PM PST up reply actions
So with Carroll in Seatlle, does that mean Reggie Bush to Seattle?
We need some explosiveness on offense and special teams, might not be a bad fit.
His knee scares me.
I’d rather get a bit player much cheaper through the draft, if not just draft Spiller to be better than Reggie at the pro level.
Joe McKnight seems more likely
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
How high of pick would we ahve to use to get McKnight?
by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure
McShay has him as the #5 back. That may mean 2nd or 3rd round pick.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
Yeah as long as they keep Forsett as part the focus
I agree they need a slightly better inside runner than McKnight.
Now that DeCosta is out of the running...
I’m beginning to fear about the GM situation. I’m not sure I like Carroll running everything. If he becomes team President, as has been reported, do we still hire a GM…will a prospective GM even accept a job with reduced power/authority? That is the question I’m anxious to have answered.
What exactly are the duties of a general manager? I'm a little hazy since Ruskell was both GM and Pres
The president overseas everything right? So the general manager will be whomever Carroll wants. It’s pretty much his show at this point, I’d guess.
GM can make moves, but Carrol has the final say.
It just like Andy Reid in Philly
This goes back to what I asked earlier,
is Webster just keeping the seat warm as previously thought or is he a serious contender now?
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
I'd read today that Webster was not a candidate now
On one of the many, many news links that I’ve pored over today. It wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t, as the Seahawks management look to be clearing out the Ruskell camp entirely.
I initially thought that too,
but then why not let him go now?
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
if Kirwan is GM
this entire deal might have unsold me from renewing my tickets next year. It represents the exact opposite of how an NFL franchise needs to operate let alone my beloved Seahawks.
I've seen no reports that Kirwan will be GM except apparently what he said on his talk show
The only interviews i’m aware of are John Schneider and Marc Ross. But who knows, the Seahawks are so secretive. Did not see the Pete Carroll thing coming at all.
exactly, who knows
Sando speculated at it, Kirwan himself said it, so who knows. If Ross or Schneider came in, bringing NFL experience I’m back on board.
by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions
It seems like a very boneheaded thing for Kirwan to say
You don’t announce that you have a job before the team announces it, especially in such a public field and with the Rooney rule. I don’t see Carroll announcing he’s the Seahawks coach before the team publicly announces it. Very bad form.
I'm OK with hiring Carroll.
I do not think it is a bad idea at all. He is either going to succeed or fall fucking flat on his face. The way that I’m looking at it is, is that it’s not likely he can do much worse than Mora did this past season. I’m already resigned to the idea that it’s going to take several years rebuild the Seahawks, so it really can’t hurt to give him a shot.
What I don’t like is the relative lack of knowing what the outlook is on the offseason, much less next season. This amount of uncertainty makes me nervous.
However, I think we can expect Carroll to provide good insight on this year’s prospects in the draft, especially Pac-10 players.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
Who you put in charge of the rebuild is pretty important regarding how successful that rebuild actually is
And how long it takes before you return to respectability. This sucks.
You're saying it sucks based on what?
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions
Explained elsewhere in the thread,
I’m just saying the way you phrased it made it sound like the rebuild is going to take several years so it doesn’t matter if we appoint someone who is not a good fit for the job. If he falls flat on his face, the rebuild takes 2-3 more years if they’re even smart enough to hire the right guy once they fire Carroll. I personally think there is a better chance of that happening than the team succeeding under his watch but that’s just my opinion.
Hmm...
So the Seahawks draft Taylor Mays and Charles Brown 6 and 14…. and Mcknight at 40. I’m going to go stab myself.
Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.
It's going to happen
In fact, Carroll is going to bring the entire USC football team (at least those who are eligible) and eschew NFL players and talent altogether.
Carroll has accepted the job:
USC coach Pete Carroll is on the verge of formally becoming the Seattle Seahawks coach as final details were being hammered out for a five-year, $35 million contract, according to the Los Angeles Times and the Los Angeles Daily News. According to the Daily News, Carroll has accepted the job and has yet to sign his deal.
This is a really cool piece.
It would not appear he’s planning on going to a 3-4.
After all the years I’ve been in football I’ve never coached anything but the 4-3 under defense. So I know this defense inside and out. I know the good side of the defense and I know the problems and weaknesses of this defense. I run it with one gap principles but can also make it work with some two gap principles.
http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/43_under_blitz_schemes.html
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Also this is interesting, from the same place
Looks like they tried a sort of 3-4 in the 2006 season
http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/usc_elephant_defense.html
Am I the only one that wants to stay 4-3?
3-4 ILB tend to be bigger and our LB group, other than Curry, is smallish. 3-4 OLB tend to be outside pass rushing freaks, and I’m not sure we have any, other than maybe Tapp if we moved him to 3-4 OLB. Curry would make a good 3-4 ILB (on draft day he was considered a 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB), and Hill (who’s similar) would be decent at the same position. Tatupu would probably be too small, especially since he needs to lose weight to return to his former ability level. Hawthorne would be iffy too. If Seattle added a LB like Rolando McClain and a big 3-4 DE like Dunlap (he’s a huge risk and a little over-rated), I could see the transition being successful, but a lot of good talent would be displaced. It feels like the team is closer to building a great 4-3 than a great 3-4. The DL talent in this draft favors 4-3 as well (McCoy, Price, Morgan, Hardy are exclusively 4-3).
I think our defense could recover quickly if only we find a competent DC, add a 1st round DT (Suh/McCoy/Price), and a 1st/2nd round DE (Morgan/Hardy). And maybe some secondary talent if value presents itself.
A 3-4 ILB and a 4-3 MLB are roughty the same height and weight,
as averaged by 2009 rosters.
The 3-4 OLB is on average 15-20 lbs heavier than a 4-3 OLB however.
You're correct, I messed up
For some reason, I always think 3-4 OLB are the smaller ones and ILB are the bigger ones. Although the problem is still the same: Curry, Lofa, Hill, and Hawthorne would all project as 3-4 ILB. Curry could go as a an undersized 3-4 OLB, but I’d hate to do that as Curry would be optimal at ILB (3-4 ILB is the run stopping position, and Curry has monster potential as a run stopper, plus he’s better blitzing up the middle than around the edge). Then you’d have another OLB to figure out. The choice to fix it would most likely be Tapp- but he’d be an experiment there.
This would really be an awkward use of resources as we’d still have one of Hawthorne/Hill on the bench, maybe both if Curry is at 3-4 ILB. So the idea that moving 3-4 allows us to find a spot for Hawthorne, it doesn’t, and could actually cost us a spot for Hill too.
Further, I think our DL would be an awkward fit for 3-4. Mebane would be undersized as a nose (assuming he goes back to 325). He might be passable, but he wouldn’t be optimizing his size/skillset. Based on his size/weight and performance, I think Mebane’s absolute maximum value is as a 1 tech in a 4-3. And God forbid Mebane miss time in that alignment. As nightmarish as Cole can be as a 4-3 1 tech, he’d be amazingly worse as a 3-4 nose without Mebane there to help him. For DE, again- we’d be passable but have little depth. If Jackson added a little weight he’d be a solid 3-4 DE. Redding could be a passable 3-4 DE but he’s a free agent (one of the rare unrestricted ones). After that, I’d not sure we have any other 3-4 DE’s on the roster. Bryant might be an outside shot at one.
The strength of a 3-4 is its OLBs, because the DL and ILB typically don’t get much sacks. The OLB’s do. The better your OLB’s are, the better a 3-4’s pass rush. Seattle doesn’t have a proven 3-4 OLB on this roster (McClain’s size is similar to Curry’s and he’s considered an ILB prospect).
Seattle could start Curry and Tatupu at ILB, and try to move Hawthorne and Hill for whatever they can get. Ideally, straight up for a 3-4 OLB. A 3-4 could work, but it would probably mean drafting more LB and I’m just not seeing the sex appeal without having a 3-4 OLB who is a threat to get at least 10 sacks. And again, the 3-4 DL wouldn’t be a masterpiece either. Going 3-4 would not work overnight. A lot of pieces would be fuzzy fits, and a lot of extra resources would have to be plugged in before it would really start humming.
And again, this isn’t a great draft for 3-4 talent, and there are a lot of competing 3-4 teams right now. Whereas there is some very good 4-3 talent available if the team stays 4-3.
By staying 4-3, we have our LB set, our 1 tech set, and 1 DE set (Tapp). Just add a good undertackle and a good DE, and our front 7 should be back to 40+ sack territory. Suh/McCoy would be monsters, and Price would break out lining up next to Mebane. This would result in frequent collapsed pockets, which would allow Tapp to finally start turning pressures into sacks. If the team added a blue chip LDE pass rusher like Morgan, the Seahawks could end up with arguably the most dominant 4-3 front seven in football, which would help the secondary a lot, too.
I do.
I feel for him. I can’t help but think that he must be devastated.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions
Hard not to.
His ties to Seattle and the team from childhood. The fairy tale ending would have made a nice story but…
I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.
Sure
But the three years worth of salary he’s going to be picking up will soften the blow. A lot of people get fired and don’t have $12 million to fall back on.
Considering how emotional he is..
I think he’s devastated regardless.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions
LMAO.
I actually busted a good chuckle.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
As did I.
Well played.
Also a die-hard Hawks fan.
I'm not arguing that
And I do agree with you. I’m sure he is devastated, especially as this came out of the blue. But the NFL is a tough place to work, and the financial rewards are more than fair compensation for his distress.
Coaches know there is no permanence.
It’s just “what it is.” He’s been fired before, he’ll be fired again, I’m sure. It happens to the the worst of them, and it happens to the best of them.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions
Agreed. I feel for what must be a very sad day in his life. This is a dream crushed.
Best wishes, Jim.
Agreed.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions
I feel for him too, but how many times were fans screaming for Forsett
And he never game him a start unless he had no other options. That really had me ticked that a team with so many problems, didn’t appropriately give his players a chance to win the job on the field.
It was all about veterans.
True, but I had the same sentiments with Holmgren
He would play veterans, SA, long past when younger guys could do better.
I read this site quite a bit.
You all seem very intelligent and you know your football but i work in a field surrounded by genius and at my level the most important thing is effort. Jim Mora is certainly not a genius, and niether is Belicheck, but I bet there was not a harder working coach in the league than Jim Mora.
People get laid off all the time as this past year or two has shown, and most of the time not for doing anything bad,
but to get rid of ‘inefficiencies’ and to cut salary. I do not feel bad for a guy making millions per year who throws his team under the bus and has been handed a silver spoon because of his dad (I acknowledge that he has talent as a coach, but I question whether he’d have risen to the top like he did without his dad’s connections). Perhaps if he hadn’t bad mouthed Spencer or Mare, or didn’t use the dirtbags reference, or had actually played Teel or Red Bryant instead of saying that it would be like “giving up” on the season I’d feel bad for him, but I don’t.
This is what you wanted though. Change can do you good, in the bad way.
Imagine if the fanbase had demonstrated a bit of calm. This decision is a move that is meant to sell tickets, this is what the fans wanted. This is what I was afraid of, one and done coach, simply because you were too stupid to accept Ruskell was in a rebuild mode as an organization.
Any fan that believed Mora’s one a done and this move with Ruskell’s firing doesn’t turn some stomach in the league is truly foolush.
Mora getting fired isn't suddenly bad because Carroll got hired.
They’re seperate moves, one is good and the other bad.
Which is which though?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
I knew what you mean.
I’m not sold on “Carrol is bad” however. I’m quite optimistic to be honest.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions
If you've got a reason to be optimistic I'd love to hear it.
And I don’t mean that in an asshole way, I could really use some cheering up.
He has a fantastic track history in college.
A .500 one in the pros, in a situation where he followed an absolute legend in Parcells. Always a tough thing to do, following a legend.
He did have nothing but NFL experience when he went to USC— at a time when he was called the 4th choice and it was thought by USC people to be a disaster. A decade later he’s one of the most celebrated coaches in college history.
The whole “personnel decisions make a difference” argument. I don’t absolutely agree with it, but I’m willing to try it.
The fact that, when something is wrong, you look to fix it. This may not work, but 2 years from now we’ll know what direction we’re moving in and if it was a mistake, money or not, Paul Allen will move on and find someone else. If however he is the guy Paul Allen hopes and believes he is, then maybe we got the right guy at the right time to help us get back to the top of the NFC West.
I know, I know. It isn’t hard and fast, I have nothing but hope. But… take away hope, and man has nothing. So let’s hope. This was a tough year, and hope was drained from me. Pete Carrol sold a dream at USC, and sold it well, and right now I’m a willing buyer until someone proves to me that there is a better option out there.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
There are many, many better options though
Many people who have proven themselves in the NFL more than Carroll has. If he were just coming here to coach that’s one thing but that’s clearly not the case. He hasn’t earned the kind of trust we are placing in him by handing him the keys to the franchise at the professional level.
Who, pray tell, has proven himself more?
EVERYTHING that USC has done in the past decade is a credit to Pete Carrol. Through several coordinators, he managed to make USC relevant nationally again, and after several coaches failed miserably.
You can say, “That’s just college.” But what “more NFL-proven talent” is there than has had more success and, what’s more, WANTS to coach the Seahawks today.
If he hasn’t earned the trust we are placing in him, who has? Cowher doesn’t want the job. Other than him, who else is out there, and of those, who has proven more (at multiple levels) than has Carrol?!?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 3:36 AM PST up reply actions
As far as handling roster construction at the NFL level, any of the GM candidates we were looking at, for starters
And Tim Ruskell.
I was talking about the coaching side of it....
I’m still hopeful he has final say but not total control from a front office perspective.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions
I don't care about Heisman's.
I care about bringing in a guy who will win. You cannot refute that he’s done that with regularity.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions
I'm with you chainsaw
I don’t want to sound like I’m picking on anyone, but there is a lot of emotion and over-reaction in this thread. While I’m not happy about our current GM situation, I wasn’t happy the day Jack Z got hired either. Most people were disappointed too, they thought he was just another good ol’ boy.
As far as Carroll the coach, I’d say I’m slightly optimistic. In another thread I listed three things I wanted from our next coaching hire. One of those things was being outside the box. Carroll isn’t a groundbreaking intellectual by any means, but he does have a very unique brand of coaching, you might consider him an oddball. I like that.
Removing GM from the conversation, there are very few coaches that make a huge difference for their teams. Most coaches are average and interchangeable. I think that is the kind of coach we were probably going to get in all honesty, and that looks like the kind of coach Carroll will be.
The GM situation worries me more. But we should calm down and be patient until the GM situation becomes more clear.
See I don't think this is overreaction at all
5 years, 35 million dollars. That’s not “he could work or he could not” money. That’s he HAS to work money.
That's like a parking ticket to Paul Allen
The whole thing about having the richest owner in sports is overblown, but if there is one legit perk, its that he can shrug off stuff like this if he wants to. He just did (to a lesser extent) with Jim Mora.
How long will Pete keep Hass
Around ? I think he could cut him before the draft.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:41 PM PST reply actions
Watch, he'll trade for Leinart.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions
That scares me but it would be an upgrade
I will want Sam, Sam could be Pete’s guy I like the sound of that.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions
I was completely unimpressed with him in the Cardinals' last game.
He better not fucking do that.
I want Sam Bradford.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions
That thought's crossed my mind
More than once today. Maybe he could get John David Booty as a back-up QB, too.
This is a ridiculous meme.
Pete Carroll is not an idiot.
I'd be more than up for that.
Could Holmgren as well? Fingers crossed :D
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...
This line of reasoning is rediculous...
just because Pete Carrol coaches at USC does not mean that he’s going to draft only USC players or trade for any graduates who currently play on other teams. He’s generally regarded as a pretty smart and hardworking guy who also happens to get along well with people…why would we assume that he’s going to come in and automatically make idiotic decisions?
Oh fuck.
http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/01/08/report-decosta-withdraws-name-from-gm-job/
Jason La ConFora of NFL.com is reporting that Baltimore Ravens director of player personnel Eric DeCosta has withdrawn his name for consideration in Seattle’s search for a new general manager.
With Philadelphia general manager Tom Heckert doing same reportedly taking a similar position with Cleveland, that leaves Packers director of football operations John Schneider and Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross as the two names still competing for the job.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
I think it will be Pat Kirwan
Other sources believe that Carroll would want to hire Pat Kirwan, the current NFL.com and SIRIUS NFL Radio analyst who scouted for several years and worked as the director of player administration for the New York Jets in the mid-1990s. Carroll and Kirwan have a long relationship.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions
Of course they all "withdrew their names from consideration."
That’s how you spin the fact that you weren’t offered the job.
That’s public relations 101.
Whether it works or not, Carroll seems to be the Hawks #1 guy.
Coincidence that he’s hired the day after the NCAA season ends?
Source?
Or is this just completely baseless speculation?
by BrettJMiller on Jan 8, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions
my favorite part
I can’t believe he would leave a revolving door of 5-star Parade All-Americans, Studs R Us, to coach Mansfield Wrotto, whoever he is, and I swear it says so right here in my trusty little press guide, Mansfield Wrotto IS one of the Seahawks.
"The fans received that honor because so many of them sat, miserably freezing and cold, through so many lousy Seahawk games in the rain"
What an ignorant piece of shit, lol
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 8, 2010 6:59 PM PST up reply actions
I saw a quote...
“To tell you how great the Seahawks have been in their utterly forgettable history, Dave Krieg is in their Ring of Honor.”
Really? Well, sir. Who exactly is in the LA professional football team’s Ring of Honor.
What’s that? You have no pro team? Oh. Well, then… BLOW ME!
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
Yeah, he bashes Seattle for not having an NBA team,
but LA, a huge city, doesn’t have an NFL team. That says a lot.
USC fans have a bad habit of ripping on any part of the country
that isn’t in southern california. dbags.
Also of note...
the guy WITHOUT AN NFL FRANCHISE mocks us for not having an NBA one.
Also irk-worthy… he claims Mt. St. Helens is the only mountain he knows in WA. If he doesn’t know Rainier, he’s either full of shit or an idiot.
Not that the entire article doesn’t prove he’s an idiot.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions
I like the first comment on there
err, only comment.
You mad?…
“Hell has no fury like that of a woman scorned” is the saying I believe…
I just threw up in my mouth reading that
Sadly, I did not choke on it and die.
Eh
by apuskwikemart on Jan 8, 2010 7:21 PM PST up reply actions
If the Seahawks are close to a deal with Pete Carroll
Why is Frazier still going to interview with the Seahawks? Perhaps as a DC?
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
I'm aware of the Rooney Rule
He declined. Then he changed his mind. He’s scheduled to interview tomorrow.
But.
Pete Carroll’s deal is close to being formalized. Yet, Frazier is still going to be interviewed. I have to think that there’s a good possibility that it goes beyond the Rooney Rule.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions
Jay Glazer reported before the Carroll stuff broke
that the Hawks requested to interview Frazier before they fired Mora and were turned down because they had a head coach already. I wonder if that has gone through the spin cycle a few times and has become Frazier turning down the Hawks.
This is speculation but I’d guess the major road block to formalizing Carroll’s deal is the Rooney rule.
Well then.
That could be true.
I’ll keep my ears to the ground on what happens with Frazier. I actually wouldn’t mind if he got hired as a DC.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions
The Rooney rule
We have to interview a minority candidate.
by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions
As a white guy can I ask a question about this...
If you’re someone who would qualify as a ‘minority candidate’ does this type of rule offend you? If you were being interviewed would you feel as though you had no choice and that you were being patronized? If you got the job would you think it was only because they had to interview you not because they actually were pursuing you in the first place?
It just seems like these type of rules promote racism…any thoughts?
*I hope this question doesn’t offend anyone…I’m sure that based on the environment I grew up in, I’ve been prejudiced in some ways (as we all have been) I’m just trying to check my thinking and gain some perspective on the situation…from my viewpoint the rule is somewhat offensive – how does it look from your angle, I’d genuinely like to know…
I'm so offended
I don’t really agree with the Rooney Rule. Teams should pursue the best candidates for the job, regardless of race. It’s pretty much a weak attempt by the NFL to be progressive and a have a shield against ever being called racist. “We’re not racist, we implemented the Rooney Rule”
That said, most teams consider minority candidates regardless and don’t need the Rooney Rule. But I’m sure there are some front-office people in the NFL with racial bias. That’s the only place where the Rooney Rule helps, and isn’t completely patronizing
(I was kidding about being offended, by the way)
I left out
In most cases, it’s pretty fucking patronizing. “We’re interviewing you because you’re black”
It's a matter of timing.
Now I think it looks ridiculous.
However, when it was implemented, there were some obvious disparities in regard to coaches/front office-types being nearly completely white despite NFL football talent not being primarily white.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 3:40 AM PST up reply actions
RIP Bob Blackburn
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nba/2010746641_blackburn09.html?syndication=rss
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
I remember Blackburn well
Listened to hundreds of Sonics games on the radio when I was a kid. “Voice” was awesome. Met him once at a radio promo, really nice guy.
I'm just coming out to say this now.
This will be the greatest hire in Seahawks history.
by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
There is no reason to not believe this, in my opinion.
Especially when he brings in Mike Leach as the OC. ;)
by twocolorcrayon on Jan 8, 2010 7:03 PM PST up reply actions
I too
I feel kind of optomistic about it. We will have more direction and possibly change to a 3-4 . Sounds like twister 500 dollar hookers, you always are going to win.
I've already said that I don't think it's a bad hire.
I do hope you’re right.
I want the Seattle Seahawks to win Super Bowls. Yes, BowlSSssssssss. Plural. Not bowl. Bowlsssss.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions
I think I'm the only one excited about this hire
Very nervous, but excited to see what Carroll can do being back in the NFL.
The only thing keeping him from previous coaching positions is the presidency. Plenty of teams have wanted to hire him over the years, just didn’t want to give him Andy Reid kind of total control. We’ll see how it turns out, but until he proves me wrong, I’m giving the new coach the benefit of the doubt same way I did with Mora.
Go Carroll! Go Hawks!
I'm ok with Carroll. I'm just scared to death of Pat Kirwin/Pete Carroll as the brain trust.
Hire Ross or Schneider as GM and I’m cool.
I have a feeling this will either blow up or become extremely successful
I’m absolutely terrified, but at the same time excited.
Well here is this.
According to the National Football Post, Packers director of football operations John Schneider is a “frontrunner” to be Seattle’s next GM.
Well this makes me better. The Packers are like our sister team.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Me.
They gave us Holmgren and Hasselbeck. We gave them Ahman Green and Ted Thompson. Heck we gave them Marquand Manuel. They gave us Colin Cole and maybe they give us John Schneider.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
But Green Bay is kind of the most prominent one.
In recent years.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
The Raiders gave us Tom Flores...that doesn't mean they're our sister team.
Sister team makes no sense to me, but to each his own.
Kind of a tongue-in-cheeck comment.
Same way the Lions have become our younger brother. We give them crap former Seahawks (Kevin Hobbs) along with sprinkled average-to-good players (JP, MoMo, Heller), and then we get Cory Redding and…well it stops there.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Well we haven't done enough trading and swapping with them
Actually I don’t think we’ve done any.
Mare was with the Saints!
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Well, maybe Chicago is our brother's-sister's-cousin's friend's hooker.
Since we traded them Rick Mirer…
Cleveland is our evil stepchild
They gave us Brian Russell. Those bastards! And now Mike Holmgren joining them!
Dave Brown finished his career with Green Bay
was just looking at his wiki page <.<
I can't stand that hack.
He is a closet Cardinals lover incapable of objective analysis on a national stage.
Come on he’s picked them to win their games in his weekly picks post 28 out of 32 times the last two regular seasons. That’s bias.
That and he’s picked them to win the division 5 years running.
He graduated from Arizona State.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
The game has changed since Carroll last coached in the NFL.
He’ll be hard to ‘scout’. I wonder if he will write an entirely new playbook? What will his philosophy be? Carroll is a defensive mind, so the hire of OC (Bates, Chow frontrunners there) will be key.
I hope not.
I like him where he’s at right now.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:30 PM PST up reply actions
With Pete Carroll as the head coach could we see the entire coaching staff flushed out?
Obviously Knapp and Bradley will be gone. But what about guys like Tim Lewis and Dan Quinn?
I am inclined to think so.
Though, I think Mike Solari is the only one on the staff who is the safest bet to be retained.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions
Reputation.
Talents that I covet:
Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes
by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions
Or, at least a reputation for skill
I know we’ve been injured on the o-line but still. Solari hasn’t succeeded. And I think he gets a small measure of responsibility for the injuries too.
what you do now, round eye?
Oh crap the NFL Network is airing the Romo fumble game now!!! COME ON WATCH!
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
In hindsight Russell Davis sucked even worse than I thought.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Man Miles Austin had the easiest kickoff return in NFL history.
Walter Jones also dominated DeMarcus Ware. I miss those days.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
The best part is coming up soon.
Hasselbeck was mediocre in this game.
Bryce Fisher was superb.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Cool the safety is about to come up.
Kelly Jennings forced the fumble against Terry Glenn.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Terry Glenn was standing in the end zone wide open on the Hail Mary
But this win feels so good even 3 years later.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
I guess so but it seems like he's out of the equation now.
Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.
Adam Schefter is reporting the Seahawks are now planning on interviewing Ron Rivera
and also “Seahawks CEO Tod Leiweke in Minnesota tonight, trying to interview Vikings DC Leslie Frazier, who is undecided whether to interview.”
what?
You’ve gotta be kiddin… nothing against Rivera. Is this for the Rooney rule?
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Tatonka?!? TAKONKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
Good catch.
He’s Puerto Rican, so it should count.
The Rooney Rule is a racist disgrace.
by abender20 on Jan 8, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions 3 recs
"Interview him because he's black!
That way, it won’t be racist."
by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions
It's just an interview, guys
nobody’s hand is forced on a hire, I dunno how you can decry the injustice of such a trivial and inconsequential thing that is so un-intrusive while providing restitution for such far greater, more substantive and more unjust things.
It’s a fuckin’ interview. Please take some perspective and stop whining about it.
by jacobstevens on Jan 11, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions
I don't think so.
Why would they be going after these high profile guys for the Rooney Rule? I really think they are trying to pull in the most talented people they can, and Paul Allen is opening the doors to his vault in Duckburg to do so.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
by Wayward Llama on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 AM PST up reply actions
Leiweke is in Minnesota, trying to convince him to interview?
That’s hilarious. Like a guy throwing rocks at his ex-girlfriend’s window at 2 am
I cannot be upset. As a Duck fan, Pete leaves...and as an apathetic Seahawk fan, there is no floor!
I actually have a little bit of blind faith…just a hunch. No facts to back it up..but I feel okay about this.
I fucking hate you Mariners
Here is one of those lame Radio show songs.
I don’t like it, but someone might
http://mynorthwest.com/resources/audio_headlines/audio_player.php?a=13776&f=/kiro/2010/01/01082010161351.mp3
Wow, what a day.
After work, I was incredibly tired, and came home as always, checking Field Gulls first to see if Mora had been fired yet. Yes! He certainly had! Elation!
I’ve read many, many posts, followed many, many links since I came home last night. I think one thing we have to keep in mind is that after last season, pretty much anything is an upgrade. I have hope that Carroll will be a good coach, I just worry about any one person running everything. I’m hoping for Ross to become GM.
Until then, it might be a little bit before this all shakes out and we can start watching the team be deconstructed and rebuilt. I’m looking forward to it, because I relized last season when Mora was throwing Chris Spencer under the bus and calling him soft, then starting some PS scrub samed Gibson that things can’t possibly get any worse. Things can only get better from here.
It's Great to be a Florida Gator!
"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett
All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.
My take is that Carrol will do well as Seahawks head coach
Pete is a great talent evaluator and great motivator
Look at the players he recruited and developed at USC
Cushing and Matthews and Malamagula – 3 LBs who walked into the NFL with great rookie years in 2009 – no college coach ever turned out a linebacking class to match that
QB’s – Palmer, Leinart and Sanchez – all groomed by Pete and high 1st round draft picks
Very curious to see which QB Carrol will select with the 6th and 14th draft picks – he knows college QB’s better than anyone
He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is
I'm a Jimmy Clausen fan,
so hopefully he gets a 6 on his Wonderlic or something so that he’s available at 14.
by SeaTownBlueDevil on Jan 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions
not sure how I feel about this
As a Trojan fan, I wanted to see Pete stay forever, and this makes me sad. Pete was not favorite pick by many Trojan fans. Everyone wanted Mike Belotti or Reilly, or really anyone else. I liked PC when he was with the Pats. Kraft, who has become known as a great owner, had recently bought the team and was still too much of a micro-manager to let Pete do things his own, unconventional ways. He is a great motivator of players and a solid defensive coach. I was one of the few SC fans that was literally jumping for joy when Pete was hired (Paul Hackett made me want to punch babies). Now, if he is going to leave my beloved Trojans, I am glad to see that he will be coming to my favorite pro team. I believe Pete will be successful in Seattle if he is given a chance to be himself. After all, if the military trusts him enough to bring him in as a speaker for a leadership conference, I think we can trust him to run a pro system using actual pros (not just a pro style with college kids).
NFL network said PC
Stepped down from his HC job at USC… Only a matter of time till its official.

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