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Report: Seahawks to Hire Pete Carroll as Next Head Coach

Chris Mortensen broke it on his Twitter stream, but from that shaky foundation, a bona fide news story has arose.

Pete Carroll will be the next head coach of the Seattle Seahawks. Any other outcome seems very unlikely. Any other outcome would require something sudden and unexpected. This is going to happen. Let us prepare ourselves.

Star-divide

I will not attempt to evaluate Carroll the coach, but here's a jumping off point to understanding Carroll the man.

Carroll is a late bloomer with assumed, but undiagnosed attention deficit disorder. He finished his NFL head coaching career 33-31 in the regular season, and 1-2 in the post season. Much of why Carroll was viewed as an unsuccessful coach is that his style is unorthodox. He doesn't believe in harassing his players towards victory. He is, without hyperbole, the ultimate player's coach. Much of this information was gleaned from an expansive New York Times profile.

One reason for Carroll’s success with college players is his pure, joyous physicality. He runs everywhere during practice. He gets in the middle of drills. He throws a football throughout practice and usually has at least one junior staff member assigned to be on the other end of his permanent game of catch. He once demonstrated how a ball carrier should score from a few yards out by taking a handoff himself and diving into the end zone, landing on his back. “The guys didn’t know whether to catch him or hit him,” says Daryl Gross, who as an associate athletic director at U.S.C. was instrumental in Carroll’s hiring. (Gross is now the athletic director at Syracuse.) I walked in on Carroll late one night in his second-floor office in the athletics building. He was watching film of Oregon, with Neil Young blasting in the background while he fingered a baseball bat as if it were a guitar. He looked blissfully happy.

Everyone around Carroll — and Carroll himself — talks casually of his attention-deficit disorder. It has never been formally diagnosed; it’s just assumed. There’s a school of thought in the psychological community that A.D.D. is a gift, or can be, and Carroll, informally, is an adherent. “I like to say A.D.D. is a beautiful thing and I never get bored,” he told me. “I’m sort of joking, but there are some benefits to having a mind that allows you to juggle a whole bunch of different things. You can talk to me for five minutes and be telling me something, but I’m going to pick up the essence of what you’re saying, and the rest of it I might not seem like I hear. But I get it, or I get what I need. It’s just that I might also be doing something else at the time while you’re talking” — which he admits can drive people crazy. Perhaps, but it’s a lot more likely to bother an adult than someone the age of Carroll’s players. High energy? Easily distracted? That pretty much defines them.

Carroll is 58, but, if I may, he possesses the attitude of a much younger man. He is open and curious and enthusiastic. I like that. It doesn't make him a good coach, but, again, I like that. He buys into Eastern philosophy by way of Western entrepreneurialism and is perhaps the most famous proponent of The Inner Game of Tennis. You can see why he wasn't welcome in New York. This kind of 70s era, pseudo-metaphysical guru crap has not aged well, and phrases like "Self 1" and "Self 2" seem quaint or troublingly batshit in post millennial America. One worries that someone who prescribes to the "inner game" might miss the outer, actual game, and fool himself into thinking failed players are not incapable, but just not thinking correctly.

I have no idea what kind of NFL coach Carroll will be. Coaches are given far too much credit for their team's failure and success. At best, we can assess their decisions and attempt to determine how those decisions impact a team's failure or success. Carroll was USC's fourth choice. He stumbled into the job after others declined. He made USC a recruiting hot spot, the so-called 33rd team in the NFL, and that made him a great college head coach. Carroll cannot repeat that feat in Seattle. Perhaps meaning his greatest success and the best evidence of his ability is about to be stripped from him.

He will field a 3-4. That alone makes this a somewhat exciting move. Carroll himself is the so called defensive mastermind, but like Jim Mora, he is a collaborator. New Mexico State Head Coach DeWayne Walker is reportedly Carroll's pick for defensive coordinator. Walker has served primarily as a defensive backs coach. Walker took over a terrible team and made it more terrible. The Aggies ranked dead last in FEI, and ahead of only WSU and Eastern Michigan in S&P.

That doesn't mean a whole lot. None of this does. It's information. Extraneous, trivial information. The real assessment starts today.

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I'm going to be physically ill

Both of my teams killed with one blow

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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 2:51 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Oh god no...

I don’t like where this is headed… especially with our two first rounders.

by aerozeppelin on Jan 8, 2010 2:54 PM PST reply actions  

Maybe there's still hope?

Frazier will have that interview after all.

link

by Lyn Cassady on Jan 8, 2010 2:55 PM PST reply actions  

Good

But at the same time…I want a 3-4.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 2:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You mean you want the Williams wall

theres nothing special about the Vikings 4-3.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 8, 2010 3:10 PM PST up reply actions  

The best DE/DT combo in the league makes them great.

I’d be curious if they simply pay him to interview and then pick his brain about what he would do with the Hawks personnel as a reference going forward.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I wonder if Frazier has a chance.

Seems odd that he would accept an interview with no chance of getting the job.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 3:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, he's a legitimate head coaching candidate

There are other people to fulfill the Rooney rule, Frazier doesn’t need to bother.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 8, 2010 3:11 PM PST up reply actions  

That he has no experience and will probably struggle.

Recruiting an unlimited number of players and seeing which one wins out is nothing like constructing an NFL roster.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

Just wanted your thoughts. Do you think we still hire a GM? That significantly changes my view of this move.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure.

Whoever that hire could be, he’s already completely overshadowed.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Did anyone else hear

That the Hawks were speaking to Dungy to come on board as well? It was sent to me by a friend but I can’t find a link anywhere stating this?

by cthunder on Jan 8, 2010 3:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Kirwan

What about the rumor of Pat Kirwan rejoining him as GM

WOW WHAT A DAY

by eohawkfan on Jan 8, 2010 3:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Think how many watches

Carrol could take from FA interviewees though. That always seems to work.

by Surf Hawk on Jan 8, 2010 4:26 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we'd still hire a GM.

From what I’ve read, it would be more like an Andy Reid type situation where Carroll would have final say on all personnel.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 8, 2010 3:00 PM PST up reply actions  

I would love it if we got one of those guys.

But there is a chance that Ross is in there just to satisfy the Rooney requirement. We had Jimmy Raye from the Chargers on the original list of 10, but as far as I know he never interviewed, so we still need a minority canidate to come in.

I hope Ross gets a real chance, but I wonder if it matters that he comes from a team known for having a dominate 4-3 defense if we’re going to switch to a 3-4.

by Mind of no mind on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think Ross is the favorite, barring Kirwan

I think he could work with Carroll, not butt heads, but also not be intimidated.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST up reply actions  

Priority

If they decide to go with a 3-4 defense, then what would be some of the Primary targets for the new GM in FA?

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Interesting thought..

I wonder if this unique uncapped RFA heavy year will bring a level of trading to the NFL that we’ve never seen before.

I also wonder if a traded player in his original contract remains an RFA or becomes something else if traded to a different non-original team…

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:38 PM PST up reply actions  

That was, maybe still will be, today's podcast

First I’m going to do the Ross score and then we’ll see.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Excellent.

I can’t wait!

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Title

Recruiter hired as actual NFL coach.

by paul2 on Jan 8, 2010 2:58 PM PST via mobile reply actions  

Guess they didn't learn anything from the Spurrier/Petrino fiascos

Hope this hire turns out better, if indeed it does turn out to be Carroll.

But man … this sure screams like a “throw lots of money at a problem & hope it goes away” type solution.

by xteve on Jan 8, 2010 3:02 PM PST reply actions  

Well at least

Carroll has NFL coaching experience and so does the staff that he is rumored to be putting together. So that does make me feel a ton better. Even though I am not fully sold on Carroll.

by cthunder on Jan 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Carroll will look terrible if USC gets hit with a bunch of penalties after the fact

and the Hawks will have given him a golden parachute.

Welcome to SC North, college to pro.

by lemonverbena on Jan 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions  

If he gets hired by Seattle I fully expect the NCAA

To kill USC football within a week.

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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:22 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I hope Trojan football is killed

I hate USC.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Never been to either, but I hear USC is the private rich school in the middle of a crap area.

UCLA is the public school in the middle of gorgeousville, USA (gorgeous for California anyways, nothing compares to being on Lake Washington).

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Correct.

USC is smack dab in the middle of Exposition Park, which is just south of downtown LA and right around where LA becomes South Central LA. (Or South LA, as they call it now)

UCLA is in Westwood, which is pretty much the richest part of LA, in that pocket of the city east of the 405 and north of the I-10 where the major commercial district is and all the film companies have their offices.

by Hmph on Jan 8, 2010 5:28 PM PST up reply actions  

have you ever tried to park at UCLA?

SC’s campus is great, inside the walls. outside is a different story.

by SoCalBirdfan on Jan 9, 2010 1:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Good point... it was hard to find a spot.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 10, 2010 12:25 AM PST up reply actions  

I hate USC the football program.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Not the surrounding area...

try walking out of USC at night without getting shot

by aerozeppelin on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I did more than a few times

Its not that bad in the immediate area around campus.

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by bluemax on Jan 9, 2010 11:30 AM PST up reply actions  

Awesome Campus....

Surounded by a part of town you can’t even walk in.

by Surf Hawk on Jan 8, 2010 4:27 PM PST up reply actions  

I hope we draft McKinght in the 4th or 5th.

He gets banged up, but he’s a damn good player.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Will he go earlier?!?

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST up reply actions  

Reggie Bush lite, I've heard.

I think he’ll be drafted earlier than I’d feel comfortable us drafting him.

by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Welcome to the club!

Watch out for the Browns fans, they’ll steal your booze. And don’t mine the Bengals fans, they’ll come crawling back.

by Skinsmaniac on Jan 8, 2010 3:04 PM PST reply actions   2 recs

That was good.

A little light on a surprisingly dark day.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 3:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Nervous Excitement

I found it interesting that Carroll is considered a defense genius, i thought he was an offense guy. Love the fact that he is going to bring the 3-4, that alone is exciting. John, what of the rumors and reports he will be packaged with Pat Kirwin? What are your thoughts on that?

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:14 PM PST reply actions  

John Morgan writes
He writes mostly for NFL.com
I would not be pleased if Kirwan was hired.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 3:15 PM PST up reply actions  

PC is an awful offensive coach.

And his desire to prove otherwise has hurt the Trojans the last few years.

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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:20 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Knapp is gone.

This coaching staff will be entirely different if Carroll is hired.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST up reply actions  

That sucks.

I liked Knapp.

A Mariners fan in Seattle

by Coach Owens on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Me too.

Knapp is Mora’s guy though, the second Mora was fired Knapp was too.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions  

WHY?

The man is still life wearing a headset.

by PRIDEin253 on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I liked Knapp.

Well there had to be one somewhere.

What? No SOUL?

by mrcoffee1969 on Jan 11, 2010 2:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Which is sort of a shame.

Gus Bradley and Dan Quinn will catch on somewhere and they deserve a chance without Mora being above them.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Quinn has 3-4 experience

and Zerrick Rollins has had a lot of success, plus Lofa is on record as loving him.

I’m hoping there’s a chance those 2 guys stick around.

"I'm tired of chasing after my dreams. I'll just find out where they're going, and catch up later." - Hedberg

by jteckmann on Jan 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

Hopefully someone he will let call their own plays

If it’s a young guy theN that means Pete learned nothing the last few years and will call the same bull shit hyper conservative offense he’s been calling since Norm left.

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by bluemax on Jan 8, 2010 3:24 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

Jesus.

Just watched the opening of Sportcenter. (First time in ages.)

Someone (maybe Mortensen) said that part of the reason the situation may be right for Carrol is that he has a “quarterback that can take him to the SB right away in Hasselbeck.”

FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK FUCK.

If that’s the reason he’s coming, we’re FUCKED.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:18 PM PST reply actions  

He's been busy coaching, he can't watch Seahawks games.

Plus he can’t say ‘well, I’m not too happy having a weak armed QB who makes bad decisions.’ That would just be awkward.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 3:25 PM PST up reply actions  

Making my head spin!

All these rumors and reports are making my head spin. I am psyched to have Mora gone, but this is crazy shit right now. I just hope the powers that be know what they are doing. This is a make or break time for our beloved hawks!

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:19 PM PST reply actions  

Hasselbeck will be OK

I am OK with Hasselbeck for another year as long as they surround him on offense with some explosive talent and fix the tackles. But they have to start grooming his replacement, Kevin Kolb please!!!!!

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:21 PM PST reply actions  

Hasselbeck has been awful for two straight seasons

It’s foolish to fix everything around him and ignore his age, injury history and performance.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed

I am tired of the game ending interceptions tht have been common place when we are in a close game the past two years.

by nut_house on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

That just gave me an idea for a fanpost.

Whether I’ll actually write it is a different story.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

How was he awful in 2008?

He didnt play…. Seneca was awful.

by maaddmax on Jan 10, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Matt started seven games last season.

He completed 52.2% of his passes, threw five TDs and ten INTs.

by thebyron on Jan 10, 2010 8:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Kolb is nearly untouchable.

Cutler came cheaper than cold would. Erase Kolb from your mind. He’s Philly’s QB of the future, not Seattle’s…

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:23 PM PST up reply actions  

New Yes

I am New but an avid reader all year, finally excited enough to post!

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:26 PM PST reply actions  

Welcome to Field Gulls!

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Also coffee is in the back along with some lemonbars.

BrianL can direct you towards your seat. abender will be around to serve hot towels.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:36 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Lemonbars?

Dammit Scruffy, why have I not received any lemonbars?

by thebyron on Jan 10, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

Hasselbeck is not the long term answer

I know Hasselbeck has been bad, but I would prefer to keep him to groom a rookie instead of trying to start someone else. He is not the long term answer, but he doesn’t seem to be the worst option either.

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:27 PM PST reply actions  

A healthy Matt probably isn't the worst option, but he's making 10 mil next season.

It’s not Matt’s job to mentor a young QB, that’s on the coaching staff.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 3:29 PM PST up reply actions  

true

and if the rumors are true, Bates comes in to be OC. Cutler certainly looked great in Denver under his watch.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

Besides JaMarcus and Seneca, who is a worse option (realistically)?

Derek Anderson, Gradkowski, Chris Simms, all guys I’d rather give a chance to than Hasselbeck. At least they’re young.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 3:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd like JaMarcus in a backup/learning role.

He was woefully unprepared for a starting job when he got it, but he’s still uber-talented and if the right coaching got ahold of him, who knows…

Notice, I did say backup role.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah

I’d say he’s a few years from retirement. I have no interest at all.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Just a flier guy... a reclamation project on the cheap.

Would I give up anything for him? Hell no.

Doesn’t matter anyway. It’s just my idealization of man, I still despite all the contradictory evidence around me, see the best in people and their potential.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Russell blew off final meetings on Monday,

to go to the Palms in Vegas. He’s cool with the riches all right.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 4:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Anderson???

yuck.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 8, 2010 5:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Ugh.

Pete Carroll I’m ambivalent about, as long as he’s just the coach. But if he’s also the GM, or they hire Pat Kirwan for any reason at all, this is awful.

by Postureduck on Jan 8, 2010 3:31 PM PST reply actions  

Haha

I hate that show

I'm glad the Hawks get no media attention/NFL fan love. Makes it so much more fun when we win.

by apuskwikemart on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

Hi! We're from... Delaware.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 5:37 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

YES

Excellent reference!

The Hawks should be better.

by Woodinville_12thMan on Jan 8, 2010 6:51 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm from Delaware.

Good to see my 4% made a difference.

by Lyn Cassady on Jan 8, 2010 5:38 PM PST up reply actions  

I love the little speck of red

Against a massive field of blue on the SN map.
Damn the Man! Flout Authority! Fire Mora!

by Buster! on Jan 8, 2010 5:41 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, we picked up New Mexico

Because they watch us play the Cardinals twice a year and can see Mora struggling. Arizonans did too but why the heck would they want us to make a change?

what you do now, round eye?

by shams on Jan 8, 2010 8:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I hate Kornholer more than any other announcer, bar none.

Give me Dick Stockton and Brian Billick philacing each other over him any day.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I haven't watched PTI in a while,

but it’s good because the guys are funny and have a sense of camaraderie. It’s not good because Kornheiser and Wilbon know suprisingly little about sports.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions  

Rofl rofl...

FieldGulls feels like such a haven sometimes.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 8, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Another interesting story

by O’Neil. Something that could happen.

A Mariners fan in Seattle

by Coach Owens on Jan 8, 2010 3:35 PM PST reply actions  

Interesting. I don't like the idea of a GM/Coach.

But a coach who has final say or at least a good portion of say so it’s not as if the GM is the coach’s definitive superior is an idea I like.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 3:39 PM PST up reply actions  

What a F'ing circus!

When the dust settles, I will be interested to see an actual direction. Super excited about the 3-4 potential, really fits our players. That way we can use the talent we got and spice up the offense.

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:41 PM PST reply actions  

STOP TALKING ABOUT LEMONBARS!

Ugh I’m so hungry now. I havn’t had lemonbars in ages and they are one of my favorites. :(
Maybe I can convince my female roommates to cook me some tonight after they get drunk…they love to cook while drunk.

by Fear on Jan 8, 2010 3:59 PM PST up reply actions  

You probably need the ingredients first.

I don’t know how to make them, but I’m guessing you can’t make them from whatever’s sitting around in the fridge/cupboards.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

It fits our linebacker situation

but not our D-line at all. Unless we draft Ndamukong Suh x 2, which would be ideal.

by PRIDEin253 on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST up reply actions  

With 2 Suh's, I say 3-4, Mebane in the middle with the two Suh's sucking up double blocking leaving him solo.

Jesus that would be sweet. We’d get a legit passrush with 3 DL.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:48 PM PST up reply actions  

We have Curry and Hill

So not sure how that would work out at OLB.

by MattPD on Jan 8, 2010 3:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Consider trading Hill.

I’ve been thinking about this move.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

True, Hill is a stud

And while I like Heater, I’m not convinced he’s better.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 PM PST up reply actions  

He's not better than Hill

Hill has the overall package of a good complementary inside linebacker. Tatupu and Hill are the foundation of an excellent 3-4 run defense. One to blow up the blocker; One to blow up the back.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 4:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Thinking the same.

I was debating a 3-2-6 too, heheh.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

I think we are better off than you think

I think we have Bane, and Bryant might be better suited for this, resign Redding, and Cole as a back-up, get another nice big disruptive DT and we are set. See ya to Kerney, and Terrill, happy Days!

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 3:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Pretty much agree with everything you just said.

Though I want Cole to go bye bye. But there is worse things then him taking Terrill’s time.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:51 PM PST up reply actions  

Who knows if it has any relavence but...

I remember when the article about Mora wanting Hasselbeck back thinking “Ooooo not a good move, you may have just sealed your fate Jim.”

by Hawkhammer19 on Jan 8, 2010 3:45 PM PST reply actions  

I'm something of an optimist...

I can live with Carroll getting final say, if grudgingly, as long as a real NFL personnel guy is running the day-to-day ops.

I wonder if Norm Chow ends up in Seattle as OC?

One thing I like about Carroll is that he’s a true CEO type. He collaborates, sets direction, and lets his coaches coach.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 3:47 PM PST reply actions  

John Morgan

is Bill Brasky’s father.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 3:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Boy, this is all up in the middle of your day out West

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Except that day I had actual work.

Today I’m just sitting on my ass. Slightly disturbed on how many girls bras colors I know – Including my Aunt.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 3:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Normally I would say.

We should start a testicular cancer awareness and post our boxers but my mother is actually having Breast cancer surgery next week.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Prostate cancer... it doesn't get nearly the press of breast cancer, because it's a guy thing.

Not everyone has a dad. Everyone has a mother…

The most commonly diagnosed non-skin cancer in the United States, prostate cancer will afflict one in six American men over the course of his lifetime and an American man is actually 33 percent more likely to develop prostate cancer than an American woman is to develop breast cancer.

The Prostate Cancer Foundation says that over 232,000 men will be diagnosed with prostate cancer in 2005, and 30,000 men will die from it. It is estimated that there are over 2 million American men currently living with prostate cancer.

In the United States, one new case of prostate cancer occurs every 2.5 minutes and a man dies from the disease every 17 minutes. The chance of developing prostate cancer increases rapidly after age 50. More than 70 percent of all prostate cancers are diagnosed in men over the age of 65.

Prostate cancer is the second-leading cause (next to lung cancer) of cancer-related deaths among men in the U.S. African-American men are 65 percent more likely to be diagnosed with prostate cancer than Caucasian-Americans and are more than twice as likely to die from it.

However, because prostate cancer is a relatively slow-growing cancer, the 5-year survival rate for prostate cancer diagnosed at all stages is 98%. The 10-year survival rate is 84% and the 15-year survival rate is 56%.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Old numbers... 2005.... but still.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

There we go.

This is our time. (After my mother in Law is doing ok)

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Prostate cancer doesn't get enough press?

Puh-lease.

(I’m in the testicular cancer gang and we’re tired of the whining from both y’all’s sucka crews!)

by TheLaird on Jan 8, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

Hey, man...

…we can have a truce, but where I’m coming from, you either a “Baller” or you aint.

by TheLaird on Jan 8, 2010 4:22 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

I didn't

just write that (seriously, I didn’t)

by TheLaird on Jan 8, 2010 4:29 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what those stupid colors meant?

No wonder. All I see are ‘black’ ‘pink’ ‘bright purple’ ‘white’ and I was confused as hell. Funny how I didn’t notice that it was only females doing it.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 4:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Totally.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 3:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Could easily happen

Talks with Carroll could break down. Recall, Carroll was USC’s fourth choice.

Also, I think all coaching interviews aren’t just for the job at hand but for future openings. Jim Mora only lasted one season. Also, executives move from team to team.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 3:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Seahawks addicts is saying Kirwan

“Pat Kirwan was just on Sirius radio insinuatig that he and Carroll are a package deal, so look for him as your next GM.”

I left the gross misspelling in there for shits and giggles.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:03 PM PST reply actions  

Time to go in a quiet hole and die.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 4:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Isn't Kirwan a negotiator and a cap guy

something like Mike Reinfeldt?

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Their source seems legit

Kirwan talking on Siruis. Hopefully just tooting his own horn.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Sando mentioned it today too

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

I call bullshit

Until it’s official and I have been forced to watch the Presser.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions  

President or GM

I would not hate Kirwan being the president.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

I just know he hasn't been envolved with the NFL for a while

and that should automatically exclude him from coming near the Seahawks. At least Carroll has success in football outside of a microphone.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:06 PM PST reply actions  

Millenesque?

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 4:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm no advocate for Kirwan...

but that’s kind of the format on NFL radio at least. The audience grunts a lot.

Also, Kirwan may not be a GM candidate but potentially an adviser or consultant.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:10 PM PST up reply actions  

^^ Kirwan was mostly a cap guy and contract negotiator with the Jets

Wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat_Kirwan

GM seems like a big stretch.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:12 PM PST up reply actions  

even as a cap guy

that was 12 years ago, what can he possibly bring to the table now.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 4:14 PM PST up reply actions  

He could negotiate contracts for a guy

who has no idea about anything related to contract negotiations.

by Fear on Jan 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't strike me as the sort of thing that's hard to keep up on

I understand that Kirwan consults for player agents in negotiations.

Again, I’m not advocating for the guy but I don’t think it’s wise to assume he’s disconnected. Kirwan has lots of relationships with people around the league. That doesn’t make him the best candidate for a position with Seattle but as fans it might be wise for all of us not to be casually dismissive.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:21 PM PST up reply actions  

What a mess!

Carroll with total control on personnel decisions, maybe a guy like Kirwan will be a good fit for where Carroll is lacking? Hopefully they have some solid scounting and bring in John Morgan in a consulting role.
Oops, I just spoke of him whose name who do not speak…..

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Heckert to be GM of Browns, officially:

The Browns will reportedly introduce Tom Heckert as their new GM at a press conference on Monday.
They may also hire Seahawks director of pro personnel Will Lewis in a lower-level capacity. Lewis interviewed for the GM job on Friday, but Heckert got it. Heckert has been the GM in Philadelphia since 2006, but always lacked “final say” with regard to the Eagles’ roster. It remains to be seen if he’ll have those responsibilities under Mike Holmgren in Cleveland.

by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 4:16 PM PST reply actions  

Whats wrong with Seattle?

We are going to hire a coach before a GM, and look at this circus, that is whats wrong, our organization is a joke right now.

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Is Webster just keeping a seat warm?

If this deal is that close to being done that Mora was let go why not Webster as well?

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 4:17 PM PST reply actions  

No more Decosta

I read earlier that Decosta is not going to interview with the Hawks, Heckert is out of the mix and so is the Packers guy, so who is left on the list of four that they had supposedly narrowed it down to? They Steve K. guy from Arizona? Anyone else herad this?

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:19 PM PST reply actions  

Kirwan is such a douche

That makes me furious. I hate Cronies unless I’m directly benefiting from being one.

by DJ C-Raig on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST up reply actions  

I definitely agree with that

Kirwan sets off my douche meter. But the guy is no idiot.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Not high enough to hire

but high enough not to be dismissed on principle.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:28 PM PST up reply actions  

You'll get no argument there

But the team has interviewed Ross already whereas the Kirwan thing is only a rumor, and we’re not even sure he would be considered for the GM position (as opposed to something else).

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Kirwan pissed me off after the arbitrator ruled on Hutch

When Ruskell signed Burly to his own “poison pill” deal with easily voidable terms meant just to tweak his nose at the process Kirwan said that Ruskell was being overly emotional.

He never mentioned that Ruskell included the terms to make a point. He wasn’t paying Burleson the same as Hutch. It was just kind of a douche thing to do.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:31 PM PST up reply actions  

I wish Kirwan was being rude rather than ignorant

I get from some of what I’ve read of his that he doesn’t understand and can’t be bothered to try.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 4:33 PM PST up reply actions  

Branch to Denver?

If they bring in Denvers former OC, then does that make the Branch to Denver trade for Marshall and a pick likely? John, your thoughts?

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:23 PM PST reply actions  

You said a mouthful!

This is the most interested I have been in Seahawks football all year.

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

I have to admit, I was always intrigued by Caroll coming back to the NFL

Just not sure I wanted it to be the Seahawks to find out how he’d do

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 4:30 PM PST reply actions  

I'm not particularly happy about this

But if we’re really switching to a 3-4 then I’m kind of excited. I’ve always wondered what it would be like to run that with this awesome group of LBs. Lo-Jack seems like a great fit there, but do you guys think Mebane is big enough for NT?

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by Steeeve on Jan 8, 2010 4:31 PM PST reply actions  

He played comfortably in the 320 range.

He puts on weight in the right places. Just needs an early heads up to start packing on the pounds again.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 4:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That'd be awesome

Maybe Tapp can turn into Elvis Dumervil 2 or something. Sure would make our secondary look a lot better.

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by Steeeve on Jan 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST up reply actions  

In a 3-4 Tapp needs to be moved to OLB

I’m assuming this is probably what you mean, Tapp at OLB in a 3-4.

I think we are wasting this guy’s talent at DE. In the 4-3, Tapp can’t stand up against runs to his side as it is. I can’t see him succeeding there in a 3-4 where the DEs need height and weight.

I would move Tapp to OLB and Hill to ILB, Mebane to NT. It could open up some pass rush, and it can’t be any less effective that what we did last year.

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by Stevo's on Jan 9, 2010 9:48 AM PST up reply actions  

They interview Frazier tomorrow in Minny right?

so probably no official announcement until Monday I would think.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:35 PM PST up reply actions  

The trick

is to coat them with strawberry preserves.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Successful NFL coordinator

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:41 PM PST up reply actions  

That doesn't equal a great head coach

McDaniels was successful too, so what? Plus he uses a version of the Tampa 2 (not exactly a new direction there) which itself is more a product of the amazing talent they have a long the D-line.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Someone always says that

because he is technically correct, but it’s as done as deals get before they’re done.

by John Morgan on Jan 8, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Via L.A. Times the deal is worth 7 million a year

Although the Seahawks and Carroll are close to a deal, which is believed to be a five-year contract to become president and head coach at $7 million a year, nothing has been signed, said sources close to the situation who are not authorized to speak on his behalf.

by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't get why everyone is freaked out about PC possibly being the coach.

I’m going to be excited with whoever the Seahawks choose. I want to see the offseason play out, and then next season pass before I even decide to try to have any negative judgment. I think most people are just being clouded by their hatred of USC. I’ll only turn sour on all of this if we end up drafting Taylor Mays with one of our 2 top picks. :P

by twocolorcrayon on Jan 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

LB stuck in a safety's body is the most common criticism

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Thomas Davis (CAR) made the transition

but he’s a mediocre linebacker. He wasn’t a good coverage safety and so he isn’t a good cover linebacker, but lacks the size to really fill in the run game and get through traffic.

I fear that Mays is a similar kind of tweener, but I didn’t see much USC this year.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:44 PM PST up reply actions  

UW fans owe Paul Allen a huge thank you.

He hires Mora so they go and get Sark and Holt from SC. Then he hires Carroll, basically decapitating a division rival. What could make this better would be SC hiring Sark back as head coach and Mora getting an offer from UW.

by Trojan Knight on Jan 8, 2010 4:37 PM PST reply actions  

I bet he likes Seattle too...

Always tough to replace a legend. Ask Mora.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel like I am dreaming

Or is it a nightmare? I didn’t see this coming at all. It is interesting, but usually the interesting stuff doesn’t happen to Seattle. I don’t know how to feel about this

by TheSteelersRuinedMyBirthday on Jan 8, 2010 4:39 PM PST reply actions  

Per O'Neil

Update at 4:35 p.m.: Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated chimed in via Twitter that it is not a done deal Frazier will in fact interview. Stay tuned.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 4:40 PM PST reply actions  

You probably also want at least *some* leverage in negotiations

It’s generally bad form to interview just one person for a position, Rooney Rule or not.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

A few reasons why this is arguably a good thing

-First year coaches are rarely fired. When they are, its usually because a new GM (like Parcells) comes in and wants his own guy. The fact that Mora was fired, so quickly and with no GM in place is very unusual. The fact that talks between Seattle and Carroll occurred at the same time, I don’t think that’s a coincidence. Seattle asked Carroll if he was interested, he was, and Mora got the ax. I can’t prove that’s exactly what happened, but it seems like the most likely scenario. Carroll, at his worst, wouldn’t really be any worse than Mora. If Mora’s quick firing resulted from Carroll’s interest, that has to be considered a silver lining.

-Most college coaches fail at the NFL level. But that is partially because a lot of those college coaches (like Spurrier) run a wacky college offense that won’t work in the NFL. Carroll ran a pro-style offense at USC. Additionally, he has some prior NFL coaching experience. So he’s not your typical college-to-pros coach experiment.

-USC is loaded with talent, including backups that never played. At one point, even Matt Cassel, who never played a snap in college, was a valuable NFL commodity. There are going to be good, NFL caliber players on USC’s roster that scouts won’t know much about because they didn’t play much. Carroll has an inside connection there. It wouldn’t surprise me if Seattle was getting some late round steals the next couple drafts.

This is the most obvious perk the hiring would remove Carroll from USC and open the pac-10 up for teams like UW. For this fact alone, I’m a fan of this hiring.

-Even if Carroll is a disaster, the team is likely going to be rebuilding the next 3 years anyway. If Carroll doesn’t work out, Seattle could hire another coach a few years down the road when a good base of offensive talent is there to work with.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 4:44 PM PST reply actions   3 recs

If it fails to rebuild it won't be the fault of a head coach

Now if Carroll becomes the GM or has GM type authority (like Shanahan), I’d see your point.

Kirwan… I’ll believe it when its official. Vulcan inc. is normally pretty intelligent in their process. At least Carroll makes a tiny bit of sense. Kirwan makes no sense at all, Carroll bff or not.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 5:29 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm pretty sure Carroll will be the GM

Then they will hire someone else to be president. At the very least I’m pretty sure Carroll will have the final say on anything to do with players.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I think its the other way around.

Carroll will be president and head coach, someone else as GM. I’m praying it’s Ross.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 5:49 PM PST up reply actions  

Boy I hope not. I don't see any reason why they'd want Kirwan as GM.

If he came on as some kind of consultant I could probably live with that, but I have a bad feeling.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I mean, Kirwin hasn't worked for an NFL in 10 years or so.

Are they really dumb enough to give him a GM position.*

*No one answer that!

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel bad for Frazier

He’s the tolken Rooney rule guy. Last year and now this year it’d be twice, since he already interviewed with the Bills. I wonder if he gets some kinda kickback for that.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah Sando said the fine would be $200K

if they don’t interview a minority. How about pay Frazier fifty thou for coming out for an interivew?

by Surf Hawk on Jan 8, 2010 9:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Also remember that what you responded to was a worst case scenario for Pete Carroll, the coach.

GM wasn’t part of my point.

We don’t know who the next GM will be. It could still be Ross or someone qualified. If Carroll or Kirwan becomes the next GM, I’ll grab my pitchfork.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Okay guys...

now I want lemon bars.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:51 PM PST reply actions  

I've heard this only on the radio, so I'll try and find a link confirming

but the LA Times is apparently reporting Carroll is going to receive a 5 year deal at $7 million per.

by BrianL on Jan 8, 2010 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

Why not?

I think I prefer Carroll to some premadonna like Gruden or Cowher, I am just worried about his leadership skills. This team needs someone to unite and lead them, is Carroll capable of this?

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 4:52 PM PST reply actions  

5 years for $7m

deal is close

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/01/08/report-carroll-close-to-5-year-deal-worth-7-m-a-year/

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:53 PM PST reply actions  

Boy, if for some reason this doesn't go down now...

It would be a major buzz kill. I have my doubts but the deal seems done.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 4:56 PM PST reply actions  

Buzz birth?

I'm glad the Hawks get no media attention/NFL fan love. Makes it so much more fun when we win.

by apuskwikemart on Jan 8, 2010 5:17 PM PST up reply actions  

Speaking of Which...

It;s 5:00 on Friday, why am I pressing Z on Field Gulls when I should be getting the hell out of hear to give Birth to my Buzz at home?

by Surf Hawk on Jan 8, 2010 5:19 PM PST up reply actions  

LA Times via KING-5:

5-year deal, Carroll is both head coach and team president.

--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog

by Shrug on Jan 8, 2010 5:02 PM PST reply actions  

LA Times link:

$7 million.

--Shrug
Field Gulls - The SBN Seattle Seahawks Blog

by Shrug on Jan 8, 2010 5:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Seattle offering "exorbitant" money to Carroll

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/01/08/seattle-dangling-exorbitant-money-to-carroll/

With the Seattle Seahawks dumping coach Jim Mora and pursuing Pete Carroll, Jay Glazer of FOX reports that the Seahawks are offering the USC coach an “exorbitant” amount of money.

by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 5:10 PM PST reply actions  

So with Carroll in Seatlle, does that mean Reggie Bush to Seattle?

We need some explosiveness on offense and special teams, might not be a bad fit.

by MICHAEL MCGLYNN on Jan 8, 2010 5:21 PM PST reply actions  

Joe McKnight seems more likely

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 5:26 PM PST up reply actions  

Not sure

McShay has him as the #5 back. That may mean 2nd or 3rd round pick.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Jan 8, 2010 5:32 PM PST up reply actions  

Now that DeCosta is out of the running...

I’m beginning to fear about the GM situation. I’m not sure I like Carroll running everything. If he becomes team President, as has been reported, do we still hire a GM…will a prospective GM even accept a job with reduced power/authority? That is the question I’m anxious to have answered.

by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

What exactly are the duties of a general manager? I'm a little hazy since Ruskell was both GM and Pres

The president overseas everything right? So the general manager will be whomever Carroll wants. It’s pretty much his show at this point, I’d guess.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

This goes back to what I asked earlier,

is Webster just keeping the seat warm as previously thought or is he a serious contender now?

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd read today that Webster was not a candidate now

On one of the many, many news links that I’ve pored over today. It wouldn’t surprise me if he wasn’t, as the Seahawks management look to be clearing out the Ruskell camp entirely.

by Buster! on Jan 8, 2010 6:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I initially thought that too,

but then why not let him go now?

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Maybe

But I would think they would be leary about keeping Ruskell supporters with the new hires coming in.

by Buster! on Jan 8, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

if Kirwan is GM

this entire deal might have unsold me from renewing my tickets next year. It represents the exact opposite of how an NFL franchise needs to operate let alone my beloved Seahawks.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 6:09 PM PST reply actions  

I've seen no reports that Kirwan will be GM except apparently what he said on his talk show

The only interviews i’m aware of are John Schneider and Marc Ross. But who knows, the Seahawks are so secretive. Did not see the Pete Carroll thing coming at all.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 6:14 PM PST up reply actions  

exactly, who knows

Sando speculated at it, Kirwan himself said it, so who knows. If Ross or Schneider came in, bringing NFL experience I’m back on board.

by Hancock.Brett on Jan 8, 2010 6:15 PM PST up reply actions  

It seems like a very boneheaded thing for Kirwan to say

You don’t announce that you have a job before the team announces it, especially in such a public field and with the Rooney rule. I don’t see Carroll announcing he’s the Seahawks coach before the team publicly announces it. Very bad form.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm OK with hiring Carroll.

I do not think it is a bad idea at all. He is either going to succeed or fall fucking flat on his face. The way that I’m looking at it is, is that it’s not likely he can do much worse than Mora did this past season. I’m already resigned to the idea that it’s going to take several years rebuild the Seahawks, so it really can’t hurt to give him a shot.

What I don’t like is the relative lack of knowing what the outlook is on the offseason, much less next season. This amount of uncertainty makes me nervous.

However, I think we can expect Carroll to provide good insight on this year’s prospects in the draft, especially Pac-10 players.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:17 PM PST reply actions  

You're saying it sucks based on what?

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

Explained elsewhere in the thread,

I’m just saying the way you phrased it made it sound like the rebuild is going to take several years so it doesn’t matter if we appoint someone who is not a good fit for the job. If he falls flat on his face, the rebuild takes 2-3 more years if they’re even smart enough to hire the right guy once they fire Carroll. I personally think there is a better chance of that happening than the team succeeding under his watch but that’s just my opinion.

by OlSalty on Jan 8, 2010 8:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Hmm...

So the Seahawks draft Taylor Mays and Charles Brown 6 and 14…. and Mcknight at 40. I’m going to go stab myself.

Bring Your Game, Leave Your Name.

by iverson2169 on Jan 8, 2010 6:22 PM PST reply actions  

It's going to happen

In fact, Carroll is going to bring the entire USC football team (at least those who are eligible) and eschew NFL players and talent altogether.

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 6:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Carroll has accepted the job:

USC coach Pete Carroll is on the verge of formally becoming the Seattle Seahawks coach as final details were being hammered out for a five-year, $35 million contract, according to the Los Angeles Times and the Los Angeles Daily News. According to the Daily News, Carroll has accepted the job and has yet to sign his deal.

by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 6:24 PM PST reply actions  

This is a really cool piece.

It would not appear he’s planning on going to a 3-4.

After all the years I’ve been in football I’ve never coached anything but the 4-3 under defense. So I know this defense inside and out. I know the good side of the defense and I know the problems and weaknesses of this defense. I run it with one gap principles but can also make it work with some two gap principles.

http://www.trojanfootballanalysis.com/43_under_blitz_schemes.html

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 6:26 PM PST reply actions  

Am I the only one that wants to stay 4-3?

3-4 ILB tend to be bigger and our LB group, other than Curry, is smallish. 3-4 OLB tend to be outside pass rushing freaks, and I’m not sure we have any, other than maybe Tapp if we moved him to 3-4 OLB. Curry would make a good 3-4 ILB (on draft day he was considered a 4-3 OLB or 3-4 ILB), and Hill (who’s similar) would be decent at the same position. Tatupu would probably be too small, especially since he needs to lose weight to return to his former ability level. Hawthorne would be iffy too. If Seattle added a LB like Rolando McClain and a big 3-4 DE like Dunlap (he’s a huge risk and a little over-rated), I could see the transition being successful, but a lot of good talent would be displaced. It feels like the team is closer to building a great 4-3 than a great 3-4. The DL talent in this draft favors 4-3 as well (McCoy, Price, Morgan, Hardy are exclusively 4-3).

I think our defense could recover quickly if only we find a competent DC, add a 1st round DT (Suh/McCoy/Price), and a 1st/2nd round DE (Morgan/Hardy). And maybe some secondary talent if value presents itself.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 8:17 PM PST up reply actions  

A 3-4 ILB and a 4-3 MLB are roughty the same height and weight,

as averaged by 2009 rosters.
The 3-4 OLB is on average 15-20 lbs heavier than a 4-3 OLB however.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

You're correct, I messed up

For some reason, I always think 3-4 OLB are the smaller ones and ILB are the bigger ones. Although the problem is still the same: Curry, Lofa, Hill, and Hawthorne would all project as 3-4 ILB. Curry could go as a an undersized 3-4 OLB, but I’d hate to do that as Curry would be optimal at ILB (3-4 ILB is the run stopping position, and Curry has monster potential as a run stopper, plus he’s better blitzing up the middle than around the edge). Then you’d have another OLB to figure out. The choice to fix it would most likely be Tapp- but he’d be an experiment there.

This would really be an awkward use of resources as we’d still have one of Hawthorne/Hill on the bench, maybe both if Curry is at 3-4 ILB. So the idea that moving 3-4 allows us to find a spot for Hawthorne, it doesn’t, and could actually cost us a spot for Hill too.

Further, I think our DL would be an awkward fit for 3-4. Mebane would be undersized as a nose (assuming he goes back to 325). He might be passable, but he wouldn’t be optimizing his size/skillset. Based on his size/weight and performance, I think Mebane’s absolute maximum value is as a 1 tech in a 4-3. And God forbid Mebane miss time in that alignment. As nightmarish as Cole can be as a 4-3 1 tech, he’d be amazingly worse as a 3-4 nose without Mebane there to help him. For DE, again- we’d be passable but have little depth. If Jackson added a little weight he’d be a solid 3-4 DE. Redding could be a passable 3-4 DE but he’s a free agent (one of the rare unrestricted ones). After that, I’d not sure we have any other 3-4 DE’s on the roster. Bryant might be an outside shot at one.

The strength of a 3-4 is its OLBs, because the DL and ILB typically don’t get much sacks. The OLB’s do. The better your OLB’s are, the better a 3-4’s pass rush. Seattle doesn’t have a proven 3-4 OLB on this roster (McClain’s size is similar to Curry’s and he’s considered an ILB prospect).

Seattle could start Curry and Tatupu at ILB, and try to move Hawthorne and Hill for whatever they can get. Ideally, straight up for a 3-4 OLB. A 3-4 could work, but it would probably mean drafting more LB and I’m just not seeing the sex appeal without having a 3-4 OLB who is a threat to get at least 10 sacks. And again, the 3-4 DL wouldn’t be a masterpiece either. Going 3-4 would not work overnight. A lot of pieces would be fuzzy fits, and a lot of extra resources would have to be plugged in before it would really start humming.

And again, this isn’t a great draft for 3-4 talent, and there are a lot of competing 3-4 teams right now. Whereas there is some very good 4-3 talent available if the team stays 4-3.

By staying 4-3, we have our LB set, our 1 tech set, and 1 DE set (Tapp). Just add a good undertackle and a good DE, and our front 7 should be back to 40+ sack territory. Suh/McCoy would be monsters, and Price would break out lining up next to Mebane. This would result in frequent collapsed pockets, which would allow Tapp to finally start turning pressures into sacks. If the team added a blue chip LDE pass rusher like Morgan, the Seahawks could end up with arguably the most dominant 4-3 front seven in football, which would help the secondary a lot, too.

by kearly on Jan 9, 2010 3:58 AM PST up reply actions  

I do.

I feel for him. I can’t help but think that he must be devastated.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:34 PM PST up reply actions  

Hard not to.

His ties to Seattle and the team from childhood. The fairy tale ending would have made a nice story but…

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Jan 8, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Sure

But the three years worth of salary he’s going to be picking up will soften the blow. A lot of people get fired and don’t have $12 million to fall back on.

by Buster! on Jan 8, 2010 6:36 PM PST up reply actions  

Considering how emotional he is..

I think he’s devastated regardless.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:39 PM PST up reply actions  

LMAO.

I actually busted a good chuckle.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

As did I.

Well played.

Also a die-hard Hawks fan.

by Hopefulmsfan on Jan 8, 2010 9:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not arguing that

And I do agree with you. I’m sure he is devastated, especially as this came out of the blue. But the NFL is a tough place to work, and the financial rewards are more than fair compensation for his distress.

by Buster! on Jan 8, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

Coaches know there is no permanence.

It’s just “what it is.” He’s been fired before, he’ll be fired again, I’m sure. It happens to the the worst of them, and it happens to the best of them.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Agreed.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel for him too, but how many times were fans screaming for Forsett

And he never game him a start unless he had no other options. That really had me ticked that a team with so many problems, didn’t appropriately give his players a chance to win the job on the field.

It was all about veterans.

by MattPD on Jan 8, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

True, but I had the same sentiments with Holmgren

He would play veterans, SA, long past when younger guys could do better.

by Surf Hawk on Jan 8, 2010 9:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I read this site quite a bit.

You all seem very intelligent and you know your football but i work in a field surrounded by genius and at my level the most important thing is effort. Jim Mora is certainly not a genius, and niether is Belicheck, but I bet there was not a harder working coach in the league than Jim Mora.

by nickfru1 on Jan 8, 2010 6:40 PM PST up reply actions  

People get laid off all the time as this past year or two has shown, and most of the time not for doing anything bad,

but to get rid of ‘inefficiencies’ and to cut salary. I do not feel bad for a guy making millions per year who throws his team under the bus and has been handed a silver spoon because of his dad (I acknowledge that he has talent as a coach, but I question whether he’d have risen to the top like he did without his dad’s connections). Perhaps if he hadn’t bad mouthed Spencer or Mare, or didn’t use the dirtbags reference, or had actually played Teel or Red Bryant instead of saying that it would be like “giving up” on the season I’d feel bad for him, but I don’t.

by LantermanC on Jan 8, 2010 9:57 PM PST up reply actions  

This is what you wanted though. Change can do you good, in the bad way.

Imagine if the fanbase had demonstrated a bit of calm. This decision is a move that is meant to sell tickets, this is what the fans wanted. This is what I was afraid of, one and done coach, simply because you were too stupid to accept Ruskell was in a rebuild mode as an organization.

Any fan that believed Mora’s one a done and this move with Ruskell’s firing doesn’t turn some stomach in the league is truly foolush.

by Joshua Kasparek on Jan 8, 2010 6:35 PM PST reply actions  

Which is which though?

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

I knew what you mean.

I’m not sold on “Carrol is bad” however. I’m quite optimistic to be honest.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions  

If you've got a reason to be optimistic I'd love to hear it.

And I don’t mean that in an asshole way, I could really use some cheering up.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 8, 2010 6:57 PM PST up reply actions  

He has a fantastic track history in college.

A .500 one in the pros, in a situation where he followed an absolute legend in Parcells. Always a tough thing to do, following a legend.

He did have nothing but NFL experience when he went to USC— at a time when he was called the 4th choice and it was thought by USC people to be a disaster. A decade later he’s one of the most celebrated coaches in college history.

The whole “personnel decisions make a difference” argument. I don’t absolutely agree with it, but I’m willing to try it.

The fact that, when something is wrong, you look to fix it. This may not work, but 2 years from now we’ll know what direction we’re moving in and if it was a mistake, money or not, Paul Allen will move on and find someone else. If however he is the guy Paul Allen hopes and believes he is, then maybe we got the right guy at the right time to help us get back to the top of the NFC West.

I know, I know. It isn’t hard and fast, I have nothing but hope. But… take away hope, and man has nothing. So let’s hope. This was a tough year, and hope was drained from me. Pete Carrol sold a dream at USC, and sold it well, and right now I’m a willing buyer until someone proves to me that there is a better option out there.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

There are many, many better options though

Many people who have proven themselves in the NFL more than Carroll has. If he were just coming here to coach that’s one thing but that’s clearly not the case. He hasn’t earned the kind of trust we are placing in him by handing him the keys to the franchise at the professional level.

by OlSalty on Jan 8, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Who, pray tell, has proven himself more?

EVERYTHING that USC has done in the past decade is a credit to Pete Carrol. Through several coordinators, he managed to make USC relevant nationally again, and after several coaches failed miserably.

You can say, “That’s just college.” But what “more NFL-proven talent” is there than has had more success and, what’s more, WANTS to coach the Seahawks today.

If he hasn’t earned the trust we are placing in him, who has? Cowher doesn’t want the job. Other than him, who else is out there, and of those, who has proven more (at multiple levels) than has Carrol?!?

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 3:36 AM PST up reply actions  

I was talking about the coaching side of it....

I’m still hopeful he has final say but not total control from a front office perspective.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 12:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't care about Heisman's.

I care about bringing in a guy who will win. You cannot refute that he’s done that with regularity.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 12:02 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm with you chainsaw

I don’t want to sound like I’m picking on anyone, but there is a lot of emotion and over-reaction in this thread. While I’m not happy about our current GM situation, I wasn’t happy the day Jack Z got hired either. Most people were disappointed too, they thought he was just another good ol’ boy.

As far as Carroll the coach, I’d say I’m slightly optimistic. In another thread I listed three things I wanted from our next coaching hire. One of those things was being outside the box. Carroll isn’t a groundbreaking intellectual by any means, but he does have a very unique brand of coaching, you might consider him an oddball. I like that.

Removing GM from the conversation, there are very few coaches that make a huge difference for their teams. Most coaches are average and interchangeable. I think that is the kind of coach we were probably going to get in all honesty, and that looks like the kind of coach Carroll will be.

The GM situation worries me more. But we should calm down and be patient until the GM situation becomes more clear.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 8:31 PM PST up reply actions  

See I don't think this is overreaction at all

5 years, 35 million dollars. That’s not “he could work or he could not” money. That’s he HAS to work money.

by OlSalty on Jan 8, 2010 8:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's like a parking ticket to Paul Allen

The whole thing about having the richest owner in sports is overblown, but if there is one legit perk, its that he can shrug off stuff like this if he wants to. He just did (to a lesser extent) with Jim Mora.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 10:30 PM PST up reply actions  

How long will Pete keep Hass

Around ? I think he could cut him before the draft.

by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:41 PM PST reply actions  

Watch, he'll trade for Leinart.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That scares me but it would be an upgrade

I will want Sam, Sam could be Pete’s guy I like the sound of that.

by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:44 PM PST up reply actions  

I was completely unimpressed with him in the Cardinals' last game.

He better not fucking do that.

I want Sam Bradford.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

That thought's crossed my mind

More than once today. Maybe he could get John David Booty as a back-up QB, too.

by Buster! on Jan 8, 2010 6:45 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd be more than up for that.

Could Holmgren as well? Fingers crossed :D

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Jan 8, 2010 8:02 PM PST up reply actions  

No Cribbs.

Too much cost for a fairly fungible position.

by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

This line of reasoning is rediculous...

just because Pete Carrol coaches at USC does not mean that he’s going to draft only USC players or trade for any graduates who currently play on other teams. He’s generally regarded as a pretty smart and hardworking guy who also happens to get along well with people…why would we assume that he’s going to come in and automatically make idiotic decisions?

by mwalter on Jan 8, 2010 11:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh fuck.

http://blog.thenewstribune.com/seahawks/2010/01/08/report-decosta-withdraws-name-from-gm-job/

Jason La ConFora of NFL.com is reporting that Baltimore Ravens director of player personnel Eric DeCosta has withdrawn his name for consideration in Seattle’s search for a new general manager.

With Philadelphia general manager Tom Heckert doing same reportedly taking a similar position with Cleveland, that leaves Packers director of football operations John Schneider and Giants director of college scouting Marc Ross as the two names still competing for the job.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:45 PM PST reply actions  

I think it will be Pat Kirwan

Other sources believe that Carroll would want to hire Pat Kirwan, the current NFL.com and SIRIUS NFL Radio analyst who scouted for several years and worked as the director of player administration for the New York Jets in the mid-1990s. Carroll and Kirwan have a long relationship.

http://sea.scout.com/2/936253.html

by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Of course they all "withdrew their names from consideration."

That’s how you spin the fact that you weren’t offered the job.

That’s public relations 101.

Whether it works or not, Carroll seems to be the Hawks #1 guy.

Coincidence that he’s hired the day after the NCAA season ends?

by trippsixxes on Jan 8, 2010 9:45 PM PST up reply actions  

my favorite part
I can’t believe he would leave a revolving door of 5-star Parade All-Americans, Studs R Us, to coach Mansfield Wrotto, whoever he is, and I swear it says so right here in my trusty little press guide, Mansfield Wrotto IS one of the Seahawks.

by kearly on Jan 8, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

I saw a quote...

“To tell you how great the Seahawks have been in their utterly forgettable history, Dave Krieg is in their Ring of Honor.”

Really? Well, sir. Who exactly is in the LA professional football team’s Ring of Honor.

What’s that? You have no pro team? Oh. Well, then… BLOW ME!

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

USC is their "NFL team"

But now that Carroll is gone, they got nothing left. HAHA!

by aerozeppelin on Jan 8, 2010 7:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Hahahahaha

*crickets chirping throughout all of LA

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 7:02 PM PST up reply actions  

Also of note...

the guy WITHOUT AN NFL FRANCHISE mocks us for not having an NBA one.

Also irk-worthy… he claims Mt. St. Helens is the only mountain he knows in WA. If he doesn’t know Rainier, he’s either full of shit or an idiot.

Not that the entire article doesn’t prove he’s an idiot.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I like the first comment on there

err, only comment.

You mad?…

“Hell has no fury like that of a woman scorned” is the saying I believe…

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

If the Seahawks are close to a deal with Pete Carroll

Why is Frazier still going to interview with the Seahawks? Perhaps as a DC?

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions  

I'm aware of the Rooney Rule

He declined. Then he changed his mind. He’s scheduled to interview tomorrow.

But.

Pete Carroll’s deal is close to being formalized. Yet, Frazier is still going to be interviewed. I have to think that there’s a good possibility that it goes beyond the Rooney Rule.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 6:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Jay Glazer reported before the Carroll stuff broke

that the Hawks requested to interview Frazier before they fired Mora and were turned down because they had a head coach already. I wonder if that has gone through the spin cycle a few times and has become Frazier turning down the Hawks.

This is speculation but I’d guess the major road block to formalizing Carroll’s deal is the Rooney rule.

by Nate Dogg on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Well then.

That could be true.

I’ll keep my ears to the ground on what happens with Frazier. I actually wouldn’t mind if he got hired as a DC.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:04 PM PST up reply actions  

The Rooney rule

We have to interview a minority candidate.

by A'Seahawks_Warriors on Jan 8, 2010 6:54 PM PST up reply actions  

As a white guy can I ask a question about this...

If you’re someone who would qualify as a ‘minority candidate’ does this type of rule offend you? If you were being interviewed would you feel as though you had no choice and that you were being patronized? If you got the job would you think it was only because they had to interview you not because they actually were pursuing you in the first place?

It just seems like these type of rules promote racism…any thoughts?

*I hope this question doesn’t offend anyone…I’m sure that based on the environment I grew up in, I’ve been prejudiced in some ways (as we all have been) I’m just trying to check my thinking and gain some perspective on the situation…from my viewpoint the rule is somewhat offensive – how does it look from your angle, I’d genuinely like to know…

by mwalter on Jan 8, 2010 11:35 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm so offended

I don’t really agree with the Rooney Rule. Teams should pursue the best candidates for the job, regardless of race. It’s pretty much a weak attempt by the NFL to be progressive and a have a shield against ever being called racist. “We’re not racist, we implemented the Rooney Rule”

That said, most teams consider minority candidates regardless and don’t need the Rooney Rule. But I’m sure there are some front-office people in the NFL with racial bias. That’s the only place where the Rooney Rule helps, and isn’t completely patronizing

(I was kidding about being offended, by the way)

by DetectiveM on Jan 9, 2010 1:11 AM PST up reply actions  

I left out

In most cases, it’s pretty fucking patronizing. “We’re interviewing you because you’re black”

by DetectiveM on Jan 9, 2010 2:49 AM PST up reply actions  

It's a matter of timing.

Now I think it looks ridiculous.

However, when it was implemented, there were some obvious disparities in regard to coaches/front office-types being nearly completely white despite NFL football talent not being primarily white.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Jan 9, 2010 3:40 AM PST up reply actions  

I remember Blackburn well

Listened to hundreds of Sonics games on the radio when I was a kid. “Voice” was awesome. Met him once at a radio promo, really nice guy.

by lemonverbena on Jan 8, 2010 7:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just coming out to say this now.

This will be the greatest hire in Seahawks history.

by Scruffy Lefty on Jan 8, 2010 7:00 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

I too

I feel kind of optomistic about it. We will have more direction and possibly change to a 3-4 . Sounds like twister 500 dollar hookers, you always are going to win.

by Built2Spill on Jan 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I've already said that I don't think it's a bad hire.

I do hope you’re right.

I want the Seattle Seahawks to win Super Bowls. Yes, BowlSSssssssss. Plural. Not bowl. Bowlsssss.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I think I'm the only one excited about this hire

Very nervous, but excited to see what Carroll can do being back in the NFL.

The only thing keeping him from previous coaching positions is the presidency. Plenty of teams have wanted to hire him over the years, just didn’t want to give him Andy Reid kind of total control. We’ll see how it turns out, but until he proves me wrong, I’m giving the new coach the benefit of the doubt same way I did with Mora.

Go Carroll! Go Hawks!

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Well here is this.

According to the National Football Post, Packers director of football operations John Schneider is a “frontrunner” to be Seattle’s next GM.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 7:08 PM PST reply actions  

Well this makes me better. The Packers are like our sister team.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:09 PM PST up reply actions  

Me.

They gave us Holmgren and Hasselbeck. We gave them Ahman Green and Ted Thompson. Heck we gave them Marquand Manuel. They gave us Colin Cole and maybe they give us John Schneider.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Kind of a tongue-in-cheeck comment.

Same way the Lions have become our younger brother. We give them crap former Seahawks (Kevin Hobbs) along with sprinkled average-to-good players (JP, MoMo, Heller), and then we get Cory Redding and…well it stops there.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:15 PM PST up reply actions  

Well we haven't done enough trading and swapping with them

Actually I don’t think we’ve done any.

Mare was with the Saints!

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Cleveland is our evil stepchild

They gave us Brian Russell. Those bastards! And now Mike Holmgren joining them!

by B.B.Finnegan on Jan 8, 2010 7:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Seriously.

At this point I’ll take anyone that isn’t Kirwin…or Millen.

by MFAN on Jan 8, 2010 7:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I can't stand that hack.

He is a closet Cardinals lover incapable of objective analysis on a national stage.

Come on he’s picked them to win their games in his weekly picks post 28 out of 32 times the last two regular seasons. That’s bias.

That and he’s picked them to win the division 5 years running.

He graduated from Arizona State.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

The game has changed since Carroll last coached in the NFL.

He’ll be hard to ‘scout’. I wonder if he will write an entirely new playbook? What will his philosophy be? Carroll is a defensive mind, so the hire of OC (Bates, Chow frontrunners there) will be key.

by Misfit74 on Jan 8, 2010 7:10 PM PST reply actions  

With Pete Carroll as the head coach could we see the entire coaching staff flushed out?

Obviously Knapp and Bradley will be gone. But what about guys like Tim Lewis and Dan Quinn?

by Seahawksfan23 on Jan 8, 2010 7:22 PM PST reply actions  

I am inclined to think so.

Though, I think Mike Solari is the only one on the staff who is the safest bet to be retained.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 7:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Up is down

odd is even. our o-line coach earns a third year.

what you do now, round eye?

by shams on Jan 8, 2010 7:56 PM PST up reply actions  

Reputation.

Talents that I covet:

Ndamukong Suh, Gerald McCoy, Sam Bradford, Mike Iupati, Golden Tate, Earl Thomas, and Freddie Barnes

by Carl Shinyama on Jan 8, 2010 8:04 PM PST up reply actions  

Or, at least a reputation for skill

I know we’ve been injured on the o-line but still. Solari hasn’t succeeded. And I think he gets a small measure of responsibility for the injuries too.

what you do now, round eye?

by shams on Jan 8, 2010 8:47 PM PST up reply actions  

In hindsight Russell Davis sucked even worse than I thought.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:38 PM PST up reply actions  

Man Miles Austin had the easiest kickoff return in NFL history.

Walter Jones also dominated DeMarcus Ware. I miss those days.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:44 PM PST up reply actions  

The best part is coming up soon.

Hasselbeck was mediocre in this game.

Bryce Fisher was superb.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Cool the safety is about to come up.

Kelly Jennings forced the fumble against Terry Glenn.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:50 PM PST up reply actions  

I love you Babs.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:57 PM PST up reply actions  

Terry Glenn was standing in the end zone wide open on the Hail Mary

But this win feels so good even 3 years later.

Matt Hasselbeck's satellite TV signals would get intercepted.

by SSreporters on Jan 8, 2010 7:59 PM PST up reply actions  

Adam Schefter is reporting the Seahawks are now planning on interviewing Ron Rivera

and also “Seahawks CEO Tod Leiweke in Minnesota tonight, trying to interview Vikings DC Leslie Frazier, who is undecided whether to interview.”

by Trepidation on Jan 8, 2010 8:10 PM PST reply actions  

what?

You’ve gotta be kiddin… nothing against Rivera. Is this for the Rooney rule?

erutangis

Tatonka?!? TAKONKAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!

by jubelthebear on Jan 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Good catch.

He’s Puerto Rican, so it should count.

by Trepidation on Jan 8, 2010 8:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely

Bassackwards rule that simply parades these guys around like circus acts.

Disgrace +1

by trippsixxes on Jan 8, 2010 9:55 PM PST up reply actions  

"Interview him because he's black!

That way, it won’t be racist."

by DrunkAmerican on Jan 8, 2010 9:56 PM PST up reply actions  

It's just an interview, guys

nobody’s hand is forced on a hire, I dunno how you can decry the injustice of such a trivial and inconsequential thing that is so un-intrusive while providing restitution for such far greater, more substantive and more unjust things.

It’s a fuckin’ interview. Please take some perspective and stop whining about it.

by jacobstevens on Jan 11, 2010 1:47 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think so.

Why would they be going after these high profile guys for the Rooney Rule? I really think they are trying to pull in the most talented people they can, and Paul Allen is opening the doors to his vault in Duckburg to do so.

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All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Jan 9, 2010 3:37 AM PST up reply actions  

Leiweke is in Minnesota, trying to convince him to interview?

That’s hilarious. Like a guy throwing rocks at his ex-girlfriend’s window at 2 am

by DetectiveM on Jan 9, 2010 1:21 AM PST up reply actions  

I cannot be upset. As a Duck fan, Pete leaves...and as an apathetic Seahawk fan, there is no floor!

I actually have a little bit of blind faith…just a hunch. No facts to back it up..but I feel okay about this.

I fucking hate you Mariners

by kentroyals5 on Jan 8, 2010 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

Wow, what a day.

After work, I was incredibly tired, and came home as always, checking Field Gulls first to see if Mora had been fired yet. Yes! He certainly had! Elation!

I’ve read many, many posts, followed many, many links since I came home last night. I think one thing we have to keep in mind is that after last season, pretty much anything is an upgrade. I have hope that Carroll will be a good coach, I just worry about any one person running everything. I’m hoping for Ross to become GM.

Until then, it might be a little bit before this all shakes out and we can start watching the team be deconstructed and rebuilt. I’m looking forward to it, because I relized last season when Mora was throwing Chris Spencer under the bus and calling him soft, then starting some PS scrub samed Gibson that things can’t possibly get any worse. Things can only get better from here.

It's Great to be a Florida Gator!

"I never met a llama I didn't like." - TJ Duckett

All I want for Christmas is Joe Haden, Eric Berry, and Nandamukong Suh in Seahawks blue.

by Wayward Llama on Jan 9, 2010 3:35 AM PST reply actions  

My take is that Carrol will do well as Seahawks head coach

Pete is a great talent evaluator and great motivator

Look at the players he recruited and developed at USC

Cushing and Matthews and Malamagula – 3 LBs who walked into the NFL with great rookie years in 2009 – no college coach ever turned out a linebacking class to match that

QB’s – Palmer, Leinart and Sanchez – all groomed by Pete and high 1st round draft picks

Very curious to see which QB Carrol will select with the 6th and 14th draft picks – he knows college QB’s better than anyone

He’s always open. He catches a lot of balls. He’s un-guardable, no matter how old he is

by WarWolf on Jan 9, 2010 10:14 AM PST reply actions  

I'm a Jimmy Clausen fan,

so hopefully he gets a 6 on his Wonderlic or something so that he’s available at 14.

by SeaTownBlueDevil on Jan 9, 2010 11:27 AM PST up reply actions  

not sure how I feel about this

As a Trojan fan, I wanted to see Pete stay forever, and this makes me sad. Pete was not favorite pick by many Trojan fans. Everyone wanted Mike Belotti or Reilly, or really anyone else. I liked PC when he was with the Pats. Kraft, who has become known as a great owner, had recently bought the team and was still too much of a micro-manager to let Pete do things his own, unconventional ways. He is a great motivator of players and a solid defensive coach. I was one of the few SC fans that was literally jumping for joy when Pete was hired (Paul Hackett made me want to punch babies). Now, if he is going to leave my beloved Trojans, I am glad to see that he will be coming to my favorite pro team. I believe Pete will be successful in Seattle if he is given a chance to be himself. After all, if the military trusts him enough to bring him in as a speaker for a leadership conference, I think we can trust him to run a pro system using actual pros (not just a pro style with college kids).

by SoCalBirdfan on Jan 9, 2010 2:01 PM PST reply actions  

NFL network said PC

Stepped down from his HC job at USC… Only a matter of time till its official.

by maaddmax on Jan 10, 2010 8:31 PM PST reply actions  

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