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A Few Thoughts on Deion Branch to New England

I am happy for this trade. Seattle has depth at wide receiver and though Williams, Tate, Butler and Obomanu are not better than Branch currently is, Stokely is close, and given Matt Hasselbeck's remaining talent and skills, it's so close to a push it's not worth haggling over. So, Seattle escapes an expensive contract and recoups a fourth round pick. Good business. Good on John Schneider.

I am also happy for Deion Branch. Branch's greatest sin is injury. His second greatest sin is costing too much. His third greatest sin is joining a declining offense. He wasn't a bad teammate. He didn't, at least to my knowledge, half-ass plays like I have seen from other Seahawks receivers. He played hard, and if he wasn't ever a very good receiver for Seattle, he was the Seahawks most talented receiver for a few seasons. Branch contributed to a couple playoff runs and a couple playoff games. He had some big games, but not a ton. He was a disappointment as an acquisition, but, well, it happens.

Branch joins New England and now has a chance to put the last few years behind him and revive his career. I imagine even the most ardent Branch "haters" expect him to perform a lot better in New England's offense than he ever did in Seattle's. For all the anger directed at Branch, I'm sure Deion himself amassed a little reciprocal resentment, and I hope he can prove some people wrong. People that hate players, hate players on their own team, confuse me.

Which is why the 450 comment thread linked to Vasilii's fanpost is the first thread I have not bothered to click into, and I am not sure I will bother to click into, in the history of Field Gulls. People do not like stranger, Seahawk, Deion Branch. It's been fueled by some. I know Danny O'Neil and Doug Farrar were particularly critical of Branch and the trade. And even if we factor in Branch's contributions, the fourth Seattle has now received in return, the fourth Seattle received for trading Darrell Jackson, it's pretty cut and dry that Seattle spent too much for Branch. The move made sense at the time, or can at least be justified, but in total it's probably a losing trade.

If you're curious though, the pick Seattle traded, 24th overall, is worth 33 AV on average. Branch was worth 17 over four seasons, not counting this season. A fourth round pick is worth between 15 and 12 AV. That means, ignoring that Branch made Jackson expendable, Branch's contributions and the expectedcontributions of the pick Seattle will receive in return for Branch, is worth about as much as Branch cost originally. There's other factors, and this isn't meant to justify the original trade, something I did long ago, but it does mean Seattle was not ruined by the Branch trade. If anything, Seattle traded for a polished player when it thought it was a contender, and moved that player for a young, cheap player now that it's not.

As I hinted in a rumor thread, I did pick up Branch in Scruffy's Field Gulls Invitational League. Not for nothing, but the Seahawks FO seems pretty transparent about planned transactions, and in the world of negotiation, transparency is rarely a good thing. I can't remember a rumored move by Seattle that Seattle did not at least explore, and it seems most have come to fruition. Schneider certainly has a lot of strong qualities, but I do think his inexperience as a negotiator shows itself.

Anyway, this is a good ending to a drawn out, controversial decision, and it seems that Seattle is better for having moved Branch, Branch is better for joining another team and New England is better for improving its talent at wide receiver. Football doesn't get much more fair.

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In today's chat, Danny O'Neil mentioned something he picked up from Seahawkaddicts.com

Roughly speaking, we traded a pick in 2007 for a Branch, who we traded for Lynch, who was picked 15 (?) spots before our pick.

Also, it seems like Green Bay wanted to pick Lynch in 2007, so Schneider may have had his eye on this guy for a while.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 12, 2010 2:00 PM PDT reply actions  

That's good

Branch has always kicked up something irrational and fierce in the hearts of Seahawks fans, and if I could stomach it in real time, I did not think I could wade through 450 comments in.

by John Morgan on Oct 12, 2010 2:09 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's WAY too much talk about Compensatory picks, in my opinion

But other than that, it’s a fairly benign thread. I like to think that we Twleves have already crossed the bridge that was the 1st Branch trade, and no one felt a need to pick at those scars. Also, considering that trade was over 4 years ago, Branch has essentially become a sunk cost (while also still being a decent WR), and getting a 4th for him now was more than sufficient.

by J.L. White on Oct 12, 2010 2:13 PM PDT up reply actions  

Commenters think he WAS worth a fourth in that thread

soooo positive feelings out to Branch in a roundabout kind of way.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Oct 12, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

You know what the deal is with Branch....

and why I call him Twig? He’s a Porsche, or Ferrari. Looks good, is freaking expensive, and breaks down and needs to go into the shop frequently.

Going into this season, his injuries have added up and he was looking like that Boxster in the driveway that you paid a mint for, drove 15 times in four years, and has paint flaking off.

Branch is gone, and it feels like the day I sold my forking boat. AWESOME.

And now for Matt. For the last 3 preseasons we’ve been told he’s in “his best shape ever”, and he gets destroyed. Matt is not the Porsche, he’s the Mustang or a Volkswagen Jetta. Sporty, not too pricey, and can be driven hard with no oil changes for about 5 years before they throw a rod. He’s about to throw a rod, and it’s time to take him down to the dealership and trade him in while there’s still some sucker who’ll pay Ford Focus prices for him.

by hazbro24 on Oct 12, 2010 7:07 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm ok with Amsterdamsters,

but AmsterHamsters are disgusting little rodents.

by grinch11 on Oct 12, 2010 2:04 PM PDT reply actions  

I wonder, is "shitfuck" a swear if it's not a real word?

And no, I’m not on peyote, though some might wonder after today’s slate of posts.

by John Morgan on Oct 12, 2010 2:08 PM PDT up reply actions  

There's a new Prohibition-era mob drama on HBO called "Boardwalk Empire"

starring Steve Buscemi. In one scene, he’s talking with Chalky White (Michael K. Williams, who played “Omar” on The Wire) and Chalky says “Motherfucker” and Buscemi says “What the hell does that mean?”.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 12, 2010 2:21 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way I summarized the trade...

…is that New England figured that there was nothing wrong with Branch that a good QB couldn’t fix.

I wonder if Hasselbeck supporters will see things differently if Branch suddenly becomes good again.

Or if they noticed how many points Shaun Hill scored against the Rams.

Just saying.

by Hawksince77 on Oct 12, 2010 2:14 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't really mean good - Branch will be as 'good' playing in New England as he was in Seattle.

What I meant was, “successful”, “relevant” perhaps, more so, anyway, than he has been in recent years.

by Hawksince77 on Oct 12, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think that it should be pretty apparent regardless of the score

..that at this point Detroit has more weapons on offense than we do. Man, that felt weird to write. But a legit stud WR (Megatron – great nickname too), exciting young RB (Jahvid Best), above average TEs (Scheffler/Pettigrew), a legit #3 in Bryant Johnson, and a pretty decent young QB when he’s healthy… I mean, 2 years from now who knows, but I’d say they’re quite a bit better than we are now.

by Kingdomer on Oct 12, 2010 2:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would Branch having success elsewhere change that opinion?

I mean, it’s all the OL’s fault isn’t it? If Matt had the kind of time Brady does in the pocket, he would be able to throw 70 lasers too, right?

by SmartAssCoug on Oct 12, 2010 3:00 PM PDT up reply actions  

70 rainbows, maybe.

…coming from a Hass supporter. That’s the harsh truth. Get some arm strength, Matt.

I am going to come into your house at night and rec up the place.

by HititHere on Oct 12, 2010 3:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bah...

“70 yard lasers” that was supposed to be

by SmartAssCoug on Oct 12, 2010 3:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

+ NE is out two OL starters

so hopefully we won’t hear “but NE’s OL is so superior!”

by michaelfox99 on Oct 12, 2010 5:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Good post, John.

I agree, Deion got a pretty raw deal here. I wish him nothing but success!

by Woodinville_12thMan on Oct 12, 2010 2:30 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

Godspeed, Deion.

But now I have more important things to worry about. After almost three years, is it time to change my profile image?

by Nate Dogg on Oct 12, 2010 2:38 PM PDT reply actions  

Never.

Deion brought the green gloves to Seattle and those will never be forgotten.

by MFAN on Oct 12, 2010 3:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

I wonder if the green gloves and their popularity are partly responsible for the green jerseys.

Probably no way to know, but I’d like to think that’s one more thing I can thank Deion for.

Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.

by thebyron on Oct 15, 2010 8:34 AM PDT up reply actions  

The original trade was long ago

There’s Deion Branch the player, disappointment. There’s Deion Branch the person, respectable. It’s nice to know Hawk fans can tell the difference now.

Good luck Deion. Your success also be my fantasy team’s success .

by Hawkhammer19 on Oct 12, 2010 3:38 PM PDT reply actions  

My favorite Branch memory:

Wallace got the start against the Chiefs in place of an injured Hasselbeck in 2006 and we were down 7 points with 2:07 left in the game. Jared Allen intercepted Wallace’s pass and somehow Branch managed to chase Allen down, strip the football, recover the football, and keep his legs in bounds.

That play was one of the best combinations of effort and awareness that I’ve ever seen by a Seahawks player.

by Culter on Oct 12, 2010 5:24 PM PDT reply actions   2 recs

Agreed.

Then Wallace shat the bed and, if memory serves, hit Weaver by the sideline for the inevitable two-yard gain on like 4th and 15.

inside of a dog it's too dark to read.

by shams on Oct 12, 2010 5:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Agreed. That play -- never say die -- made me forever a Branch fan -- I was out of my chair jumping around like a lunatic

I understand people were continually disappointed with his lack of production versus expectations, but Deion always competed, was positive, and a team guy. He never badmouthed his QB or complained (unlike a recent departing long-named WR), although it would be natural to feel that way given how many times Hass missed him when open, or threw behind him or low when he had his man beat, thus killing the run-after-catch.

One example of his lack of modern-star-ego was recently when he was out after practice with Tate, trying to coach him up on beating press coverage, even though Tate could be seen as competition.

I’m also pretty sure Branch was just as frustrated as the rest of us were with his injuries.

Honestly, I reserve my ire for players who loaf, take plays or games off, make continual mental mistakes, and/or who are poison to the team. Branch brought none of that. Good luck in NE, Deion!

by IslandHawk on Oct 12, 2010 5:36 PM PDT up reply actions  

That play was when I fell in love with Branch.

He made a ton of heady play his first season here, highlighted by that fumble recovery.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 13, 2010 2:32 PM PDT up reply actions  

There are a lot of people that can leak a rumor when trade talks are taking place

Rumors about a possible Branch to the Patriots trade could just as easily have come from New England. They were haggling, someone on the inside wanted to be the first person to leak it to a reporter, and it got out. Happens all the time. I don’t see how that has anything to do with inexperience. And despite the rumor being out in the open, Schneider still got the better of their two 4th rounders. He kicked ass.

Branch was a class act in everything he did with the Seahawks. The 12th Man wishes him well.

by lemonverbena on Oct 12, 2010 5:44 PM PDT reply actions  

Twitter has changed the name of the game for the FO

nuttin’ is under wraps anymore, not even Faaawvvra’s jimmy.

by hazbro24 on Oct 12, 2010 7:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

This isn't the first telegraphed trade though.

We’ve known about or seen hints of every deal he’s been involved in before it happened.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 13, 2010 2:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, yeah, very snarky.

The point is that he’s made or been involved in trades with San Diego, Denver, New England and Buffalo and they’ve all been well known dealings. There have been internal dealings that were awfully transparent as well, like with LoJack and Housh. I have a hard time putting all of that on other teams. Maybe Schneider isn’t the one with loose lips but he’s certainly not doing much to stop leaks from happening.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 14, 2010 6:40 PM PDT up reply actions  

Neither of us know one way or another if John Schneider has anything to do with those rumors getting out

The argument that he is amounts to:

1. Rumors about Seahawks moves get out
2. John Schneider is GM of the Seahawks
3. John Schneider is responsible for the rumors

That’s a correlation fallacy.

by lemonverbena on Oct 14, 2010 10:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

You say that Belichick runs a tight-lipped organization

but the first reports of the Branch deal came from a Boston-area columnist. Unless Schneider has great connections in New England, its pretty clear that the leak came from the Patriots organization (maybe to destabilize Branch’s ties to the Seahawks and encourage a timely trade).

Meanwhile, reports of us trading for Charlie came initially from San Diego.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 11:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

I think Brady started the Branch trade talk, but Belichick has generally been very secretive about everything the Pats do.

I think you’re wrong about where the Whitehurst stories originated from. Pretty sure it was Seattle media that picked that up first when they worked out both him and Anderson.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2010 11:56 AM PDT up reply actions  

The earliest mention of Whitehurst to Seattle

that I’ve found comes from the Arizona Republics Kent Somers with a quote from Charlie’s agent:
http://www.azcentral.com/sports/cardinals/articles/2010/03/14/20100314charlie-whitehurst-contract-offer.html

This is another story that can’t be due to Scheider’s operation being “loose-lipped.”

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 12:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

Rotoworld had the Hawks working him out a few days before that on March 9th.

Link

Restricted free agent QB Charlie Whitehurst will reportedly visit the Seahawks on Thursday.

The Cardinals have competition. Whitehurst, who was in Arizona Wednesday, will apparently leave without an offer sheet. The Seahawks don’t have a third-round pick (the compensation needed should they sign Whitehurst), but NFL.com’s Steve Wyche reports they’re working to acquire one via trade. Seattle, though, has few valuable trade commodities on its roster.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2010 1:06 PM PDT up reply actions  

Again, that's not from a Seattle-area reporter

and the leak is as or even more likely to come from the Chargers or Charlie’s agent. So far, we still don’t have any evidence that Schneider’s FO is a leaky one.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 1:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

What makes it more likely to be leak from Charlie's camp

is that he lives in Atlanta, his agent is based in Atlanta and Wyche lives in the Atlanta area after working for the Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 1:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well theres still the moves with Housh, LoJack, Lynch, Marshall and Vincent Jackson.

And even if it was Whitehurst or his agent that leaked the work out the front office made it no secret how seriously he was pursuing Whitehurst.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2010 1:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Housh is responsible for being cut, not traded

because he talked to the media about his displeasure.

The Lynch trade came completely out of the blue. There was talk about Lynch early on, but no one had any idea that a trade was imminent.

There were rumors about LoJack because he didn’t fit the system and wasn’t getting reps in practice, but I don’t think anyone thought he was on the way out this year.

While Seattle was included in rumors about Marshall and Jackson, those were much more likely to come from them, their agents or their teams than the Seahawks.

The point is that you accuse the Schneider FO of being a “leaky” organization, citing some kind of mystery leaks in Seattle-area media and then don’t provide a shred evidence to support it. The fact that Schneider can’t silence players, agents or the FOs of other teams that he’s negotiating trades with just means that he doesn’t have superhuman powers.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 1:47 PM PDT up reply actions  

For example

This story about a possible VJ trade to Seattle:
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/seahawksblog/2012812365_vincentjacksonagaininpictureforseattle.html

came from Jim Trotter, who used to cover the Chargers for the Union Tribune.

Almost all of the leaks you describe look like this.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 1:51 PM PDT up reply actions  

Another argument

is that none of the stories originate from Seattle-area beat writers like Eric Williams, Danny O’Neil, Mike Sando or John Clayton. They all start with writers who have connections to teams or players that the Hawks are negotiating with.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 1:54 PM PDT up reply actions  

Housh talked about his displeasure because he knew he was on the outside looking in, the coaching staff let him know he wasn't part of their plans.

Same with LoJack, the team made it very clear they had no use for him. The Hawks had been linked to Lynch all the way back to draft day. Maybe the timing was a surprise but the trade wasn’t.

And I’m not sure that who exactly leaked information is important. The FO makes it very clear who they’re interested in and how seriously they’re interested, so much so that agents and teams are able to leak what the Hawks are up to. For whatever reason they’ve been a very predictable team though one offseason.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 15, 2010 1:59 PM PDT up reply actions  

Or

A small minority of our 200-some odd transactions have been telegraphed by trading partners and they stand out in your mind because they are high profile. Did you expect Wilson, Tapp or Sims to be traded? Did you have any idea that Branch would stick around this long or that he would be traded this week, if he was to be traded?

The fact that we’ve heard rumors about trades means that the FO is doing its job, working the phones and, in a handful of cases, our trading partners are leaking news to the media in order to leverage their position.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 15, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

QUESTION:

Who starts against the Bears for Branch? Who would you start?

by michaelfox99 on Oct 12, 2010 5:49 PM PDT reply actions  

I start Butler because Tate primarily learned split end behind BMW.

But I work Tate in heavier, and work screens in even heavier, to Forsett, Leon, Tate & BMW. I proactively reward Obomanu at least 5 snaps possibly including an end-around (late not early) for his ST contributions because ST will be a substantial part of the gameplan.

I beat the fucking Bears on the road.

by jacobstevens on Oct 13, 2010 11:52 AM PDT up reply actions  

People that hate players, hate players on their own team, confuse me.

Two words:
Brian Russell

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCK7njbgDO8

Prepare for scare

"It's always a bad play when the other team scores." - John Madden

by jubelthebear on Oct 13, 2010 9:38 AM PDT reply actions  

I do think there is (and should be) a difference between hating a player and hating their play

For example:

I really like Matt Hasselbeck as a player (his competitiveness, his drive, his knowledge of the game), but feel his best days are behind him, and often hate (and curse) his play during games these days.

I was ambivalent about Brian Russell, and thought he should be out of the league. Nothing personal against him, but felt his play sucked.

I actually disliked Housh as a person, but liked most of his play on the field.

I disliked Jeramy Stevens as a person, but had a hot/cold relationship with his play on the field (some great plays, some promise, lots of heartbreak, dropped passes).

by IslandHawk on Oct 13, 2010 11:11 AM PDT up reply actions  

Julius Jones.

Craig Terrill.

Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn

by Misfit74 on Oct 14, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Hate might be too strong a word, and I'm reluctant to bring it up for the umpteenth time,

but Michael Vick would probably qualify if I were an Iggles fan or if he played here.

Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.

by thebyron on Oct 15, 2010 8:38 AM PDT up reply actions  

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