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Quarterly Report: Seahawks Safeties

Seattle has two halves of a whole and through four games, those two halves are completing the other. That's the plan, and it's worked. I used to support the symmetrical safety strategy Seattle ran with Deon Grant and Brian Russell, though I wasn't terribly fond of the personnel used to accomplish that strategy. In retrospect, specialization makes a lot of sense, and fielding two generalists seems to lead to a lot of inadequate play from all involved. I think specialization in general is a smart strategy for an NFL coach. A player like Lawyer Milloy is not that rare, nor is a player like Earl Thomas, but a player that can adequately do what both Milloy and Thomas do, is very rare. Expecting to find two such players is how a team starts Brian Russell.

Safeties

Free Safety

Earl Thomas

Every season, some young safety, often a rookie, rises to prominence because of big plays. Jairus Byrd stormed the league last season, preceded by Chris Horton, Atari Bigby, Donte Whitner, Mike Adams, Michael Boulware, Brian Russell and so on down the line. A lot of these guys go poof shortly after in part because the big plays are mixed with lesser noticed screwups, in part because big plays are hard to repeat, and in part because some players become liabilities because they are locked into making the big play.

Right now, big play safeties that do not do enough of the nuts and bolts stuff are Earl Thomas's peers. He has great ball skills, great break, great range and great awareness, but if you watch enough tape, you also notice the guy out of position a lot. I mean a lot. However, that Thomas is not preordained to be a great safety, that Thomas has work to do and that Thomas's best moments are not defining, does not mean Thomas is not a very good young safety with almost unlimited potential. It just means that Thomas is, as the classic saying goes, neither as good as he looks at his best nor as bad as he looks at his worst.

He is talented but learning on the job. Thomas should develop better anticipation and better discernment. His anticipation of deep routes hasn't caught up with his quickness, but his quickness has helped cover that weakness. In time, he should be better able to close and double team receivers running deep. His discernment is the bigger variable. Right now, he's vulnerable to decoy screens, double moves and in breaking routes like posts.

If you look at passes listed as targeting the "deep middle" you can see this feast or famine performance. Overall, Seattle is allowing 5.8 adjusted net yards per attempt and a 50% completion percentage. That is helped mightily by Thomas's interception and Kelly Jennings skin of his teeth recovery to swat a ball away from Malcom Floyd. In that very small sample, we have a 4th and seven converted, a third and 12 converted and a third and 11 converted. Deep middle passes have averaged an unadjusted net yards per attempt of 10.3. The deep middle is, in most coverage schemes Seattle runs, Thomas's primary assignment, but he's often lost chasing. Sometimes, reading the quarterback and closing underneath leads to this. Sometimes it leads to a long touchdown.

This Sunday's game in Chicago should be a good test for Thomas. Mike Martz loves deep, in breaking routes, but the Bears have been brutally bad at converting deep middle passes. Through five weeks, Chicago is 6 for 13 for 166 yards and four interceptions on passes marked "deep middle." Four. Interceptions. Thomas could take over the game. Thomas could play a part in Seattle's collapse.

And that's how it is for a young, super promising but still raw safety talent like Earl Thomas: week by week, play by play.

Star-divide

Strong Safety

Lawyer Milloy

In Buddy Ryan's 46 defense, number 46, Doug Plank, was essentially an additional linebacker. That might be the best way to think of Milloy. He does linebacker stuff well and plays cover like a light, agile linebacker. That puts a lot of burden on free safety and when Thomas does screw up, we should be mindful of how much of this defense Earl carries on his back.

Which isn't to say Milloy isn't important or isn't just about impossible to replace given the current roster, only that the resulting downgrade of losing Milloy would show itself in run support, blitzing and coverage on short patterns. The resulting downgrade of losing Bad Bones would show itself in Seattle's ability to defend deep passes. One helps the Seahawks be a good defense. The other prevents it from being terrible.

Milloy is aware, doesn't waste much motion, takes good angles in pursuit and while blitzing, is a solid tackler with grip and rip skills, and as long as he's not running all over creation, a reliable if unspectacular pass defender. His late career resurgence comes down to a disciplined approach to his use, or in less annoying words, Milloy is good at what he does and is valuable as long as he's not extended beyond his limitations.

Depth

Jordan Babineaux

Babineaux isn't very good in coverage, isn't very reliable as a run stopper, but tackles well, plays the ball well and doesn't kill Seattle as long as he's subbing in on dime and nickel packages. This is pretty much what Babineaux has been since snap one, and though he's better suited for safety than corner, I wouldn't want him starting full time in either capacity.

Perfunctory Grade: B

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Big Play?

Someone refresh my memory…why did Baineaux get the nickname “Big Play”? Other than his saving tackle on the the famous botched Romo FG snap?

by TMann_2 on Oct 13, 2010 6:56 PM PDT reply actions  

He had a huge INT against Bledsoe and the Cowboys in 2005

But other than those two…not many Big Plays in Babs’ resume.

by J.L. White on Oct 13, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Loved that play.

Game headed to OT, Bledsoe trying to get into FG range, throws the INT to Babs, who returns it a good ways and goes out of bounds with very few seconds left, and enough time for Josh Brown to hit about a 50 yard FG. Two plays that were the key to winning against the Cowboys, always a hated foe.

An apt name, even if he’s outlived it, because we’re fans and those things matter.

by cashless on Oct 13, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions  

Also a pick 6 in the playoff game against Washington in the 07/08 season.

Even though after Tru’s pick 6, the game was ours but Babs’ put it out of reach. There’s been a few more as well. He’s just mastered the art of being at the right place at the right time.

by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 13, 2010 11:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I am now

scared shitless of ET or Milloy getting hurt.

But pleased to know that our safety situation seems to be improved from last year.

by killacamkilla2 on Oct 13, 2010 6:58 PM PDT reply actions  

Neither has much history of ever getting hurt.

Doesn’t guarantee anything, but certainly no reason to be more concerned than elsewhere.

by michaelfox99 on Oct 13, 2010 8:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

My less than bold prediction is that Earl Thomas will be a quick study.

That his rookie season will be much like Lofa’s rookie season: Learning on the job the
first four games, then becoming more and more of a positive game changer.

by broadbill birdwatcher on Oct 13, 2010 7:57 PM PDT reply actions  

Learning on the job while already gathering three interceptions.

Gotta be scared of what he could accomplish as a more polished player.

by cashless on Oct 13, 2010 8:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

Kenny Easley?

He was a strong safety and I never actually got to see him play (since he retired four years before I was even born ;) ). But from what I’ve read, he sounds similar to Thomas.

by Coach Owens on Oct 13, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions  

I only remember the last years of his career

but I’ll go by what his peers used to say:

“Kenny, Lawrence Taylor and those guys changed the game of football on the defensive side because they were not just big hitters. Now, all of sudden, you were seeing guys who were big hitters, but also as athletic as anyone on offense.” -Ronnie Lott

by SmartAssCoug on Oct 13, 2010 9:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Funny

how those Niners guys always had high respect for some of those Seahawk guys. Rice for Largent, Lott for Easley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCK7njbgDO8

Prepare for scare

"It's always a bad play when the other team scores." - John Madden

by jubelthebear on Oct 14, 2010 7:09 AM PDT up reply actions  

True

Though I also saw a quote from Todd Christensen (Raiders TE) who said he thought Kenny was better than Lott. And he definitely played us twice a year.

by SmartAssCoug on Oct 14, 2010 9:33 AM PDT up reply actions  

Closer to 200 pounds, but that was big for a safety back then

In those days there were also offensive guards in the 270 range and linebackers around 225-235.

by Suburban Shocker on Oct 14, 2010 7:31 AM PDT up reply actions  

Also:

The first 220+ safety I can remember was Bennie Blades.

by Suburban Shocker on Oct 14, 2010 7:35 AM PDT up reply actions  

What about our other rookie safety

reportedly he had great angles that his speed wouldn’t be an issue. Kam Chancellor can hit we have seen that on special teams, but given the age of Milloy and the likely risk associated with that age, should we expect to be drafting another safety fairly soon?

by Sharoten on Oct 14, 2010 2:31 AM PDT reply actions  

That was my question also

He is in the mold of Milloy, so is he learning the position?

by stufr on Oct 14, 2010 4:32 AM PDT up reply actions  

Yep.

Not much to say about a handful of snaps.

by John Morgan on Oct 14, 2010 2:15 PM PDT up reply actions  

Meaningless, out of context, statistical comparison:

Earl Thomas: 23 tackles (19 solo), 3 passes defended, 3 INTs

Eric Berry: 22 tackles (17 solo), 0 passes defended, 0 INTs

All The Way, AIRBORNE!!!

by Airborne Hawk Guy on Oct 14, 2010 9:31 AM PDT reply actions  

1985 was unreal

I think we set the record for team intercepts in a season. It was like you could feel it coming when the other team threw the ball. God I wish we had Wilson instead of … that other guy.

by Richard fg7 on Oct 14, 2010 9:32 AM PDT reply actions  

Does Chancellor have any hope of fulfilling the role that Milloy currently plays?

Milloy has been great, but it doesn’t seem like we can expect him to be around much longer.

by gongawz on Oct 14, 2010 9:41 AM PDT reply actions  

Fact check

It was 84, 38 team picks. 10 for Easly , 8 for Dave Brown. It was great.

by Richard fg7 on Oct 14, 2010 9:46 AM PDT reply actions  

I was not alive for the '84 season

But it looks like they could’ve had a first-round bye if not for those two losses to end the season including against Denver for the division title.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 14, 2010 4:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

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