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Quarterly Report: Defensive Coaching Staff

This should be quick, as coaching is one of the more impenetrable parts of a football team.

Depending on which metric you prefer, the Seahawks are either the seventh or 11th ranked defense in the NFL. Week five of last year, Seattle 2-3 and coming off a 41-0 blowout of the Jacksonville Jaguars, the Seahawks were either the 15th or 16th ranked defense in the NFL. Seattle was 2-3 then and is 2-2 now because of an early bye. By the end of 2009, Seattle had fallen all the way down to 25th or 29th.

How did that happen exactly? Well, there are a lot of theories.

Team health declined. Seattle lost Marcus Trufant through the start of the season and he never fully recovered. It eventually lost Lofa Tatupu, Leroy Hill, Ken Lucas, Red Bryant, Patrick Kerney and Aaron Curry. A few other players missed a game here or there, like Cory Redding and Josh Wilson.

Jim Mora's play calling became predictable enough to be exploited. Seattle's blowout loss in Houston is one example.

The team quit on Mora and the coaching staff. The Bucs blowout win in Seattle is one example.

The offense undermined the defense through turnovers and short fields. You might notice that Seattle's offense is actually performing worse than it did through five weeks last season. A complement to the offense undermining the defense is that the defense was tired because the offense couldn't control time of possession. According to a site called Team Rankings, Seattle was the worst team in football by time of possession in 2009 and is the second worst team in football by time of possession in 2010. And though they've crawled up a position on the backs of the Bills, the Seahawks are actually performing worse: 27:30 in 2009 versus 25:13 in 2010.

Which is a long form way of writing that with another year of experience for some of Seattle's young players, better health, a new, defensive-minded head coach, two first round picks, one used on a talented young free safety, the Seahawks defense might be better and it might not be any better at all. Or, it might not perform better, whatever its absolute ability.

Should we pillory the coaches and throw rotten eggs? I mean, at some point we must acknowledge that this is Gus Bradley, Dan Quinn, Ken Norton, Jerry Grey and Pete Carroll's defense, and they are accountable for its performance.

I do not think so. I think the defense is performing reasonably well. The secondary is executing the bend but don't break principles being coached. The front seven is squashing the run and creating pressure through blitzing. I still think that what this defense needs is not new coaches or completely revamped personnel, but a functioning offense. That, one would assume, is part of why Marshawn Lynch was traded for. Facing a top five run defense on the road probably isn't a great way to jump start the run game, but globally, trading for Lynch is an attempt to resuscitate a failed unit and push the offense towards viable.

However, we're not too far from the point where change is at least considered. The Seahawks are spinning their wheels in more than a few ways. Change for change's sake doesn't do anything but set a team back, but sticking to a failed model doesn't do anything but prolong failure. So, a quarter into the Seahawks season, looking from the outside, it would seem the coaches are at least accomplishing what they want, but we are nearing the point where we must ask if what the Seahawks coaches want is actually a sound strategy.

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I expect the Seahawks defense to:
Break out
208 votes
Stay about average
429 votes
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70 votes

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Dan Quinn is a fantastic DL coach.

In part, I would assume, thanks to him, the Seahawks have the third best DL in football this year according to FO.

by Coach Owens on Oct 14, 2010 2:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Quick question: Is Shawne Merriman a good fit at the LEO?

Let’s ignore the fact that his legs are shot at the ripe old age of 26. Did he/does he have the right skill set for the LEO?

by Culter on Oct 14, 2010 2:17 PM PDT reply actions  

Do we even know what the coaching staff wants out of the LEO?

Is it supposed to be a pure speed rusher or a player with more LB-esque skills able to drop back in coverage?

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 14, 2010 2:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Offense

I agree with you John. If we can manage to have a competent offense I think are D will be above average.

by nated on Oct 14, 2010 2:35 PM PDT reply actions  

I'm pretty concerned about the defense.

It’s ranked 26th in yards but only 12th in points, the teams turnover differential is propped up by having nearly as many fumble recoveries as it does picks (3 to 5), has an offense that does it no favors and hasn’t yet seen much in the way of injuries. It’s possible that they keep up the good red zone defense but I think most signs are pointing towards a collapse.

by Nate Dogg on Oct 14, 2010 2:55 PM PDT reply actions  

Our defense in 14th in yards per play

The yards per game total may be influenced by San Diego’s extra possessions.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 14, 2010 3:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well they're run defense is fantastic.

So they can slip a little in the pass defense if they can keep their run defense as good as it is.

by Coach Owens on Oct 14, 2010 3:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

Broncos and Chargers.

Only 2 other passing attacks of that calibre remaining on the schedule, IMO. Well, OK, 3, with two of them extremely erratic: CHI & NYG. Actually the Saints have been erratic relative to expectations.

That’s not to say Atlanta, Tampa or others are pushovers. Just that it’s early and some very good defenses have also benefited from facing poor passing attacks. 50% of our games played so far faced passing attacks that almost can’t be stopped from being prolific in yards.

The offense doing no favors would seem to be a reason why we ought to be concerned about the defense, but actually it’s one reason why yards allowed may be inflated. They have not faced great field position, and it’s only not among the worst in the league because of the amazing ST.

by jacobstevens on Oct 14, 2010 3:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think the defense will decline significantly due to injury

When you lose the TOP battle like they’ve been doing, eventually the health of the defense is going to pay. We’ve got a number of people with recent injury history and every reason to expect the offense to continue to falter over the next 4 weeks or more.

by lackskill on Oct 14, 2010 3:31 PM PDT reply actions  

On the other hand,

injuries tend to occur more in the running game, which has been contained so much that there’s fewer collisions with either body getting a lot of momentum, like say the kind of collisions a wood-laying safety and tailback have in a wide-open hole.

Additionally with two down linemen 2-gappers, their objective vs. the run is to control rather than clog a lane. Colin Cole’s highlights this year are a good example. Rather than violent hand combat between 2 big bodies, arms are extended to win the leverage battle until the runner picks a lane.

The offense is a problem. TOP will be, and I can see losing effectiveness. Injuries are hard to predict except for injury history as you said, so I’m not greatly concerned with injuries, or with the defense in general. Just the offense.

by jacobstevens on Oct 14, 2010 3:53 PM PDT up reply actions  

More defensive injuries from running game?

Is this well known? It seems I’m hearing of things from the passing game.

by Surf Hawk on Oct 14, 2010 10:10 PM PDT up reply actions  

I think so. Injuries in general; I wasn't thinking defensive-specific.

In passing, offensive linemen move backwards, holding off defenders. In running they move forward, engaging in a battle of force with the defenders. In passing the ball moves out of the pocket and box by itself, and results in an incompletion generally about one third of the time. In running, the ball is manually moved out, and results in a tackle much more frequently. In passing the aversion to INTs leaves receivers by and large in less danger of as many big hits as running backs.

There are some dangerous hits over the middle by headhunters, of course. There seem to be more vicious hits like that than there seem to be vicious hits in the running game ala Steve Waters on Christian Okoye. But there are more hits and tackles overall in the running game, and much more frequently by bigger defenders: linemen and linebackers compared to secondary players and coverage linebackers.

RBs wear down faster than other positions. That’s probably more a result of the position being reliant on physical talent than other positions where adequate physical talent can get you by for longer if you have good technical skill. But after RBs, LBs seem the most “fungible” IMO. Box safeties seem to be more injury-prone as a position group than others. Collisions of opposing forces, just n inherently greater part of the running game than the passing game in which pass defenders generally are moving in the same direction as a defender on many routes. On others like curl routes or with zone defenders, there often is less momentum in one or both bodies.

by jacobstevens on Oct 15, 2010 1:39 PM PDT up reply actions  

I expect the Seahawks defense to:

4. Only be as good as the offense allows it to be – through time of possession and, perhaps more importantly, score.

by John Edwards on Oct 14, 2010 4:00 PM PDT reply actions  

I should point out that I don't think our defense is world-endingly awesome, only being held back by a crappy offense. No, no!

I think our defense is reasonably young and talented, but isn’t so good that it can be left on the field playing from behind, week after week, and be expected to win games for the whole team.

As far as the coaching goes…gosh, I don’t have any idea how to distinguish great coaching from total crap.

by John Edwards on Oct 14, 2010 4:20 PM PDT up reply actions  

Defense aside, I've come to have a high regard for almost all of our coaches.

Gus Bradley has dropped a good deal in my view, though. And none of this is about blame. I don’t think he’s bad. Or I mean I don’t know if he’s bad. He could still be developing. I just sense he’s not contributing much. I see him yell corrections at players; maybe that helps. I haven’t noticed good adjustments, good gameplanning or anything. Just kind of feels like a talented defense using a well-designed and well-matched scheme. I feel like he doesn’t bring much.

There were reasons outside of him being good and qualified, to retain him as coordinator. He’s a good scapegoat if things go wrong. Bates is safe since if the offense sucks all season, it’s the QB and the line and the running game. After this year or next year, if things go bad, he can be let go, and Quinn promoted if he’s not snatched by another team.

by jacobstevens on Oct 14, 2010 4:07 PM PDT reply actions  

I chose remain average.

But that’s not a light. I feel like they will improve as the young players learn but it will be next year when they break out. For the most part, I like what I am seeing from the coaching staff and how Carroll/Schneider have gone about constructing this D.

by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 14, 2010 4:30 PM PDT reply actions  

I find it really strange...

…that questions are being raised around the performance of the defense.

Given our expectations prior to the season, we all should be thrilled: the unusual approach of putting Red at end and having the Leo has worked very well. The run defense is excellent, the D-line, despite very few, if any (other than perhaps Mebane) great talents, have been after the QB.
 
One of two things are likely on Sunday: either Seattle gets to Cutler after totally stuffing the run game and forces fumbles and/or interceptions, or Chicago burns the Seattle secondary with big scoring pass plays. If I had to lay money, it would be on the first. Given Chicago’s approach on offense, I think Seattle destroys them.

On the other side of the ball, however, completely different story, and one that could well lead to the demise of Seattle’s defense: if the offense can’t move the ball, can’t improve field position and TOP, and score once in awhile, then, like in previous games, if you give the opposition enough chances, they are going to break through a tiring defense.

If Seattle fielded even a mediocre offense, the defense would rank in the top 5, because so many of those yards are made with the extra time Seattle’s offense allows the other offense to play.

Getting Lynch is not the answer (although it might help). Having a decent passing attack is what is missing, and what is negatively affecting every other part of the game.

by Hawksince77 on Oct 14, 2010 6:28 PM PDT reply actions  

I think the only way Seattle gets to Cutler is if the offense gets going

Otherwise it’s going to be like the Charger game, minus the two kick returns for TD’s. Lots and lots of passing yards.

by B.B.Finnegan on Oct 14, 2010 6:56 PM PDT up reply actions  

Why would you put your money on the Seattle defense winning 3rd and long against a passing offense?

On the road no less.

We forced Orton into plenty of 3rd and long situations, and he shredded us apart.

by Culter on Oct 14, 2010 7:01 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well, Orton is better than Cutler.

And, Denver’s passing offense is better than Chicago’s.

I still think we’ll struggle, though, unless our offense sustains drives, keeps the score close, and we hit Cutler early and often. Forte out of the backfield worries me. I’m curious how well we do covering pass-catching running backs.

Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn

by Misfit74 on Oct 14, 2010 10:02 PM PDT up reply actions  

I hope we get a special teams report.

That’s one I’m looking forward to.

Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn

by Misfit74 on Oct 14, 2010 10:32 PM PDT reply actions  

I have had this thing lately

where I think the offense can’t get any worse. That being said, defensive rookies learning and everyone learning the new system will even out with minor injury woes, so the defense will, pending injuries to multiple key defenders, remain average.

Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion...

by Cheddar28 on Oct 14, 2010 11:15 PM PDT reply actions  

This year's D is a lot better

Because as John M. pointed out, the offensive TOP is worse, so if the D wasn’t better we’d be ranked worse than15 or 16, not better.

Ruskell loved the little, fast, “high motor” guys which is great if you’ve got Walt and Hutch as the left side of your line, so big and powerful and mean that even if everybody knows where you’re going to run, you can still get 5-6 yards a carry.

But if you can’t run and you’re playing from behind a lot, you’re passing a lot and you can’t win TOP if you’re passing because incompletes stop the clock.

If you can’t win TOP, you leave those little guys Ruskell had the woodie for playing against the OL elephants that populate the NFL these days. Having elephants shoving them around wears out the little guys, and the second half ends up looking like a track meet where some RB you’ve never heard of before sets a new personal best in total yards and YPC.

My point is, John’s right, our O still sucks, BUT our D has moved up the ladder at the same time, which means if our O ever gets its shit together, our D is going to be seriously kicking ass and taking names.

by BigUglyFatDude on Oct 15, 2010 1:32 PM PDT reply actions  

We haven't had a running game that can get a 3rd down conversion by force of will since parts of 2006.

And a good, strong and shifty runner like Beastie can create regardless of how crappy the line is. In a perfect world, that is.

And, while we’re on the subject, 17-2 beeee-yotches!!!!!

by bleedshawkblue on Oct 15, 2010 11:26 PM PDT reply actions  

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