Any Game You Can Walk Away from with a Win is a Good Game
What a rotten fourth quarter. And how perilously close Seattle came to losing this game. Let us count the missed opportunities.
- Matt Hasselbeck stepped up and away from edge pressure and found Mike Williams over the middle to win the first and put Seattle in first and goal from the one.
- Marshawn Lynch converted on the next play. Chris Baker and Michael Robinson blocked well and Russell Okung did enough against Julius Peppers but this was mostly just Marshawn beasting his way in, bowling over Chris Harris in the process.
- Following this score the offense sputtered to three straight three and outs.
Bears ball.
- Seattle's bag of tricks pass rush was beginning to dry out and like every quarterback, Jay Cutler shifted into another gear once pressure abated.
- He hit Johnny Knox to get out of jail. A penalty had put Chicago at its nine. With few exceptions, Knox wore out Marcus Trufant.
- Tru cut in front and tumbled ass over teakettle mid-air to intercept a pass intended for Matt Forte. Awesome play that was unfortunately ruled an incomplete pass on the field. Seattle opted not to challenge because it was close and the INT wasn't crucial. I watched it a few times frame-by-frame and it looks to me like his forearm is down in the field of play before his foot lands out of bounds.
- Raheem Brock gets an insane jump off the snap and that forces a quick and rare outlet pass by Cutler. He hits Forte streaking out of the backfield but Earl Thomas is there to stop Forte short of the first.
- Walter Thurmond jams Devin Aromashodu and slaps away a pass and forces the punt. The rookie stepped up big time last Sunday and his debut performance looks even more impressive on review.
That back-to-back series of converting for the score and stopping Chicago from driving down the field is about as good as it got for the Hawks. From here on it was holding on and not in a particularly graceful manner.
- Mike Williams slow plays his route, shifting his feet and then releasing a beat late. He curls wide open over the middle and then drops a perfect pass. BMFMW heard footsteps.
- The next pass was low. Tim Jennings held tight coverage and the combination of those two factors led to an incomplete.
- Stacy Andrews loses his block on Israel Idonije and Idonije releases from the scrum to pressure a scrambling Hasselbeck. Matt holds the ball way too long. He's locked onto Forsett and that keys the Bears to rally towards Justin and make it awful hard for him to reach the first. Chris Spencer releases to lead block in an attempt that might be described as quixotic. Force just doesn't have the space to power it forward for the first. He's downed after nine. He needed ten.
The Seahawks do not and seemingly can not put the game away. Bears ball.
- Kentwan Balmer overpursues into the backfield. Will Herring caps Chester Taylor's rush after four.
- Tru keeps Devin Hester in front of him and that's no mean feat. After a little shake and bake Hester receives for seven.
- Seahawks run a delay blitz. It doesn't work. Cutler throws incomplete.
- Lawyer Milloy executes a safety blitz and Cutler overthrows Knox incomplete. Not sure if pressure forced the incomplete pass or if Cutler was just wild.
- Yet another safety blitz executed by Milloy. The Seahawks rush four. Roy Lewis -- who had a nice quarter -- corrals Earl Bennett in the left flat and stops him short of the first. The Bears punt.
Seahawks orchestrate another three and out. You probably don't want to know the details.
- Tough.
- Good lead-blocks by Sean Locklear and Michael Robinson are wasted as the Bears are selling out run and more than capable of consummating their intentions. Lynch nets six but in a different game state and against a different defense, he probably could have had more.
- Hasselbeck audibles into a run and Lynch runs right into the teeth of a seven-man run blitz. He loses a yard.
- And this edition of Three and Outs that Could Have Killed the Victory is ended with a short pass the leads Justin Forsett too much and falls incomplete.
- Punt.
Lewis and Ben Obomanu charge hard on special teams and force Hester out of catching the punt. Lewis tracks the ball and is able to down it at the one.
- Aaron Curry shadows Brandon Manumaleuna off right tackle and closes and wraps after a gain of five. Midway through coverage Curry stopped and spied Cutler but still had the presence of mind and closing speed to stop Manumaleuna. That's good hustle. Manu gets about two strictly on the fall forward. That's also good hustle.
- Seahawks rush five but achieve no pressure. Thomas catches Earl Bennett after a gain of ten. It's a good play by Thomas all-in-all.
- Another blitz achieves no pressure but luckily Seattle's only committed four to the endeavor. The pass intended for Knox falls incomplete.
- Knox burns Trufant coming back to the ball and receives for 15 in front of Tru and behind Kam Chancellor. Marcus falls attempting to follow Knox's break.
- Jordan Babineaux flies free around right end and Chris Clemons cuts inside and the two unite in a crushing embrace of Cutler. Sack.
- Milloy returns from the hotdog vendor in time to blitz but all these novel looks and pass rushers arriving from other dimensions are gradually delivering diminishing returns. Cutler misses Bennett.
- This is a bad spot. Credit Tatupu for making the bad spot believable. Credit Chicago for burning timeouts and not being able to challenge. But this is a bad spot and I am sort of grateful it didn't factor in the game's outcome. The Seahawks rush four and achieve no pressure. Cutler steps up and finds Knox curling back towards the ball. He catches it and gains control either at the first or a hair's breadth short of it. The official marks the ball where Tatupu contacts Knox, which is about a yard short.
- Cole forces right guard Edwin Williams back. That is a small success. Red Bryant mucks up the right end. That is also a small success. About everything else goes to hell in a hand basket. Balmer is knocked over and that also costs Clemons his footing. Frank Omiyale latches onto and turns Tatupu. Tatupu is a last shot hope to stuff the run. He doesn't and Taylor squirts through first a seam and then a hole and then into the open field for 24. One half of Seattle's line was collapsed and the other was doing just enough. That led to push and Bears blockers streaming into the second level. Tatupu and Milloy were both battling offensive linemen in the second level.
- Milloy gets away with pass interference. He does because he's looking towards the quarterback. That shouldn't matter in this case but I suppose it does. He hip checks Aromashodu off his route and forces the incomplete pass. I'll take it.
- Overthrow.
- Brock tips the pass away.
- And apparently Craig Terrill tips the field goal attempt. It looked like a unadulterated push to me.
Once more over the top, dear friends.
- Hammy gets the false start and it saves Chris Spencer's everlovin' ass. Spencer, the center, doesn't seem to know the snap count because everyone else takes off and he stays crouched all Florida State-like. It's good that a screw up this bad isn't allowed.
- Spencer misses a block on Brian Urlacher and Urlacher drops Lynch in the hole after a gain of one.
- Seahawks run a sweep left and it looks promising but Bears rally to the ball carrier and drop Lynch after no gain. It's exceedingly hard to run on the Bears when they sell out against the run.
- Which is what happens on third and 14. Seattle attempts another inside hand off to Force. The line generates push but Bears stream in and stop Forsett well short of the first.
Then Jon Ryan overkicks his coverage for the first time all game. Michael Robinson is the only player even close to Hester and he's stuck defending a two-way go against perhaps the greatest return man ever. Hester shakes him and then wends left and up and inexorably into the end zone. Ryan is blindsided by poetic justice about halfway through the return.
One terrible onside kick later and Seattle ends the game in victory formation. One can probably refer to this as the "lucky someone was around to administer the Heimlich" way to end a football game.
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From what I saw of this game we should have blitzed all day.
The Bears were only throwing long – Cutler wasn’t even looking short. When we blitzed he was toast, when we sat back he had time to wait on long-developing routes.
I think it's rule Seattle must try its hardest to blow a potential road win
I think we tried to set a record for doing that in 2007.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
Not sure I agreed with you about one thing.
This is a bad spot. Credit Tatupu for making the bad spot believable. Credit Chicago for burning timeouts and not being able to challenge. But this is a bad spot and I am sort of grateful it didn’t factor in the game’s outcome. The Seahawks rush four and achieve no pressure. Cutler steps up and finds Knox curling back towards the ball. He catches it and gains control either at the first or a hair’s breadth short of it. The official marks the ball where Tatupu contacts Knox, which is about a yard short.
I hate to be arguing on the side of the announcers, but if Knox runs backwards, he doesn’t get forward progress until contact is initiated by Tatupu as I understand the rules of play. He did recieve at or around the first down marker, but Tats didn’t get to him as he caught the ball, it was after a step or two in the wrong direction.
How is that a bad spot? Did our replay show that Tats hit him sooner than I’m remembering?
This is what I thought, too.
Also, on the potential PI call, it seemed like both players were going for the ball and collided just before its arrival. Is that PI? Doesn’t the defender have the right to go for the ball? Nonetheless, I was surprised it wasn’t called and, judging by his post-play reaction, so was Milloy.
by It's Good To Be King on Oct 22, 2010 3:54 PM PDT up reply actions
That's also how I remember it.
I’ll have to re-watch the tape.
Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn
It's PI if the defender screens the receiver's route
The defender has a right to make a play on the ball, but can not hip check the receiver in the process.
When I rewatched it
I would have called PI on the WR. The defender was making a clear play for the ball and had position. The WR initiates the contact on the defender.
I record catch and contact here (give or take an inch)

Another angle and a split second earlier.

And the reception was ruled a full yard short.
by John Morgan on Oct 22, 2010 4:07 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
That's a good look.
And his hand is on him, but at what point does forward progress counting begin, at any contact? Or when a player is actively pushing the ball-carrier back. This is really getting technical, but I’m not really sure which it would be.
Because the second is what I intuitively think, as opposed to down by contact, where the instant a ball-carrier is touched while on the ground the play is done.
Was He Pushed?
I think the question becomes did Knox intentionally step back across the first-down line (in a vain attempt to avoid Tats), or did Tats push him back across? If it’s the former, I think the call is correct. Knox retreated behind the first down marker and was tackled. If it’s the latter, then I think John’s correct because Knox’s forward progress was arrested on the +10 side of the line, and he was driven back.
But I don’t know the official rule on this.
I really don't think he was pushed, but I'm not convinced you are right.
In reality, it’s possible that although you and I want to believe it’s when a defensive player starts controlling the player’s movement, that doesn’t make it technically right. I have a copy of the 2006 NFL rulebook somewhere on this computer, maybe I’ll dig it out.
I don't think he was pushed
but he was running back towards the ball. I thought it was a questionable spot also.
As the analysis of the game progresses, I find myself getting less and less excited about Sunday's game.
In short: stop it!
Achieving pressure could be difficult; the Cardinals’ line isn’t as scrambled at the Bears’ line was. I’m hoping Kentwan can step up for Mebane.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
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Amen to Stop It!
And that’s meant good-naturedly.
I think one of the difficulties I have reading/understanding John’s critique of the Hawks (in this game and others) is I constantly am left wondering “compared to what?” In other words, the Hawks came perilously close to losing this game, but compared to what? The San Diego game? The San Fran game? The Saints victory over the Bucs?
What I’ve come to assume is that John doesn’t seek to answer that question. It’s not immediately relevant to him that compared to the San Diego game this was practically a blowout. In that game our offense sputtered much the same as it did here, but failed to manage even a measly field goal to clinch the game. Here, though, we actually mounted a latter-game drive for a TD that put it out of reach. Against SD our defense got shredded for yardage AND a tying TD. Here, our defense gave up some yards but held firm, and the closest they got was a measly FG try.
Now, the critical problem with my view is that I look at the two games and see us beating a (allegedly) good SD team with a lot of luck; I see us beating a (again, allegedly) good Chicago team by playing better football. John’s analysis makes me question (1) whether Chicago really is good, and (2) whether we played better than them, or they failed to make plays we were giving them (in other words, we just got a different kind of lucky).
All of which brings me back to my initial question, and I guess the best answer I have is that John’s comparing the Hawks to what will guarantee the win. So, if those 3 & outs generate one or two scores, or just long sustained drives, we sweat this game less. I’m not exactly certain what the defense could have done differently ‘cause John’s probably right that their bag of blitzing tricks was about used up. Still, I’d like to think that Cutler’s inaccuracy on so many throws was the result of good Hawks D.
The bottom-line is John’s probably right, and my good feelings about this game are based on little more than gossamer.
by Kumar on Oct 22, 2010 5:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Its an interesting question
Can or should we compare play to “perfect play” (meaning all of the players are assignment-correct and physically-able to perform the given task) or should we compare it to average play? How often does a team need to play well for them to be considered a “good team”? How many mistakes, lapses of judgment, physical failures, etc can a good team allow and still be “good”?
Obviously, no NFL team is going to win every snap. Unless a team wins in a blowout (and often even then), there are going to be a lot of plays that don’t work out. So, then, what do we want/expect from a good team? How many plays can a team blow in a win before the win becomes unsatisfying?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 22, 2010 8:35 PM PDT up reply actions
I am pretty sure John is comparing them to a specific measuring stick.
What it takes to win, and in a repeatable way. The way this defense plays, and how well our special teams plays, we can get away with a mediocre offense, but to be an elite team the offense needs to be better.
Mostly, I think he’s bringing it up because the offense did so well to build the lead, and then completely disappeared. If we had diminishing returns on both Offense and Defense as the game went on, that says our coaching won despite their team having the better talent. And that in the end, the Bears were on a positive trend, so we are not as good as it may have felt at the beginning.
Well, if we leave it up to the D to "seal" it every game, it's not good.
We seem to have one of those defenses that now is going to step up to the challenge admirably. Even the Chargers game has an asterisk because we were down Curry, Tru, and Mebane, and were against Rivers.
In the end they still got the job done, although they did need bailed out.
Back to the main point, the offense needs to contribute to be an elite team. If we are up two scores, a third contributes to the victory much better than three and outs. Longer drives would help, even without scoring. Three and outs are the least help they could contribute.
It sure looked to me like Tru's arm was down on the ass over teakettle play.
It was right next to the Seattle sideline, but his body was shielding anyone’s view of the arm-to-ground contact. It really surprised me that he didn’t argue much when it wasn’t called a catch.
Carroll & Co. have been less than spectacular in choosing which plays to review. This was another mistake, I thought.
by It's Good To Be King on Oct 22, 2010 5:14 PM PDT up reply actions
Agreed. I watched on slow-mo on Tivo, and his arm was down prior to the rest of his body out of bounds
Pete is a great coach in general — the best we’ve had here in a long time, but sure has made poor decisions this year on challenges.
Anything's better than Mora.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
On the third down play before the Hester return
Shouldn’t it read as “third and fourteen” since we’d been called for false start on the botched snap?
I'm confused
All day i’ve been hearing that Thurmond will be covering Fitzgerald. Is something wrong with Trufant or am I just missing something. Any thoughts on this?
Only a few number-one corners follow the opponent's top wideout regardless of where he lines up.
Trufant lines up defensive left. I guess they’re anticipating Fitz on the other side.
inside of a dog it's too dark to read.
Yeah, WTIII said:
“This is what you live for is to go against the best,” Thurmond said. "I hope I can go against Larry the whole time. They’re going to mix and move him around and get different matchups they want so they can get him the ball. We’re going to play our sides, me and Marcus (Trufant) and play to the best of our abilities.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 22, 2010 8:37 PM PDT up reply actions
Most impressed. With Thurmond, especially, and the use of Milloy, Curry and Babs.
I do believe the Fucktards are a lot better than many might think. Which, of course won’t matter for shit at the most lopsided homefield advantage in sport.
Squawks 38, Fucktards 3. And it won’t be that close.
17-2, bee-yotches!!! 17-2!!!

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