Postgame: Seahawks 22 - Cardinals 10
by John Morgan on Oct 24, 2010 5:23 PM PDT
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PrintIf you and a bunch of your buddies were playing basketball, some court, somewhere, and a bunch of former D1 washouts challenged you to a game, well, if your buddies are like my buddies, you'd probably get schooled. But let's say, from a puff of smoke, a 25 year old Shaquille O'Neal appeared and joined your team. All a sudden, you'd win by a hundred points. And it wouldn't seem like O'Neal was doing everything. Everyone would step up. Guys would drain open looks and layups would rain down like water in a monsoon.
But, of course, O'Neal would be doing everything. He would be the only reason you won at all.
Mike Williams is not ridiculously better than every other player on the field like Shaq, but when I tell you that Williams had 87 yards, 11 receptions and a touchdown, and Matt Hasselbeck completed a total of 19 passes for 189 yards and a touchdown, it understates just how completely Williams bore this passing offense on his back. It makes it seem like he was maybe half of the Seahawks passing offense, or a crucial contributor late and with Seattle protecting a very fragile feeling lead, and not like Williams was totally and painfully indispensable, but that's exactly what he was. I can not even imagine what this offense would look like without Williams creating a perfect target for Matt over and over again, and I don't want to.
I do want to know what this offense can accomplish post-Matt, because it excites me. It excites me and frustrates me because it's teased and withdrawn. I'm not saying Hasselbeck is a Maitresse like figure paying strangers to piss on my face and hammering nails through my cock, but there is, to be crude about it, a feeling of mounting blue balls developing about this entire season. Not to project doom and gloom, but there really is no promise that Williams signs with Seattle, that Williams continues playing at this level, that this amazing talent that Seattle bumbled into through the force of Pete Carroll's charisma and connections and power to inspire, will be amazing forever.
And not to project doom and gloom, but I don't feel particularly thrilled about this win. What a pisser.
Arizona looked awful. Max Hall looked like an undrafted free agent rookie starting his second game ever on the road, at Qwest.
Derek Anderson didn't look awful.
This run defense looked a mess without Brandon Mebane. Arizona was successful on 12 of its 20 rush attempts. Before today's game, Beanie Wells had averaged a 41.8% success rate and Tim Hightower a 35.3% success rate, and the highest average for any single rusher was 52.1%. Seattle basically went from a top three run defense to a bottom five run defense.
A lot of people might think, why bitch so much after a win? That's the burden of increased expectations. Win on the road, win at home to pull to 4-2 and alone atop the NFC West, and I want something more than a backdoor contender succeeding on the back of bad opponents, special teams and a handful of irreplaceable players. I'm greedy. I'm hungry. I see a great team forming within the Seahawks and I see a barely mediocre team taking the field each week.
And here's the thing, this frustration, this sense of underachievement, these bad wins and blowout losses are sweeter than sugar cane.
Seattle tore through the Cardinals rush defense while Russell Okung was on the field. Marshawn Lynch and Justin Forsett are fearsome bastards, and the way the two work together, Lynch beasting through backfield tackles and Force finding space and exploiting it, looks, though may not yet be, looks like a dominant tandem of backs.
BMFMW is the most talented wide receiver in Seahawks history. He's an absolute game changer with few peers. Guys like Deon Butler, John Carlson, Ben Obomanu, and whoever else Seattle throws on the pile, will one day very soon rain receptions on helpless defenses, because with Shaq on the court, who the hell guards Penny Hardaway?
This run defense is smothering when they can occupy that extra blocker, when they can take the innate matchup of four defensive linemen against five offensive linemen, and level the playing field. ME! BANE! Need I say more?
This secondary is talented and mostly young and how the hell about Walter Thurmond?! Not only is he already competent in cover, but if covering football for a few years has taught me anything, it's that Thurmond is fully recovered, maybe medically, but Thurmond isn't at full capability. He's a rookie that's holding his own with hidden potential.
I'm not going to exalt Leo ends Raheem Brock and Chris Clemons, though I love you both, but the Leo concept, of which I was very skeptical, and Seattle's commitment to smart and unpredictable blitzing, has transformed this pass defense. Nah, take that back. Has transformed the potential of this pass defense. Right now, Seattle's constructing a pretty slick pass rush out of spare parts, but Pete Carroll will soon have his horses. John Schneider will make sure of that.
Yes, from the decay of a terrible team, barely visible through the shell of a mediocre team still holding on, is an elite team that's building--
maybe.
Seattle needs a quarterback, and that's never a sure thing. Seattle needs to hold on to the special players it has developed and stumbled into, and that's never a sure thing. The Seahawks need some pieces to turn this promising but equally frustrating team into one that can be great, and that's never a sure thing. There's so many ways it can go wrong, and maybe fear is another fitting adjective, but afraid, hopeful, frustrated, jumping out my skin with anticipation -- it's a God Damn Good Time to be a Seahawks Fan.
Game Ball
Williams
Olindo Mare, the ageless one.
And five more times, Mike Williams.
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i grew up rooting for penny hardaway
he was great for Memphis back before he went pro.
so there’s that.
He was good in the pro's before all the injuries.
Sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
I assume you mean WITHOUT Mebane.
But I am a terrible reader, despite being an English Major.
Concerning that Mare has 5 field goals
The fact that we made that many red-zone opportunities but settling only on field goals is a loss. Against Arizona it work, but high-powered offenses (Chicago game last year) could’ve comeback and win. Special teams bailed out a lot us too, and those late tackles saved at least two touchdowns.
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
But he HAD to make that 41y and 31y or they would have counted as misses.
So he really did make 7 that counted.
Well, I'll give the Seahawks offense partial credit for getting into field goal range so often today.
There were a couple legitimate, time-sucking drives in the 2nd half that resulting in figgies, and they were still fairly valuable (and I also give some credit to the Cardinals D for stiffing up in the red zone).
Boy, I botched that one.
“Exalt” over “exult”.
not "exult" them
And Largent was better than Williams is now.
Still works for me.
But Wilder has it below.
by Scruffy Lefty on Oct 24, 2010 5:53 PM PDT up reply actions
My friend had one of those.
Not in nearly that good of shape, though.
I've got a friend that uses one for autocross
Its a sporty little car. I’ve got no idea how that thing can be compared to BMFMW except for the initials.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 5:57 PM PDT up reply actions
Way back when I was in high school
a machinist friend dropped an aluminum block v8 into one of those old 2002s. He had to then McGiver-up a light truck transmission and rear-end, because it had soooo much torque and power.
Please add a y to the name of your sweet reference.
His amazing mulletness deserves no less
Make him the highest paid reciever in the NFL.
Just kidding. But resigning him was my first thought about the game yesterday. Especially after that huge 3rd down conversion late in the 4th quarter where DRC was all over him.
I’ve never seen a Seahwak receiver catch a ball like that. Usually it’s Fitzgerald that does it to us.
I was scared when I saw Hasselbeck fall down after the sack there.
I didn’t see at first that it was because another Cardinal ran into him. It made me flashback to the 49ers game where Willis smashed into him, he walked/limped off the field and then collapse.
Yeah, I didn't realize what happened.
Then I saw the replay and of course no flag. But Brock gets one.
by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 24, 2010 8:44 PM PDT up reply actions
But otherwise...
This was suprememly frustrating game to attend. Seems like watching it on TV was not much better.
What the heck was up with Matt from mid first to mid-third? He got significantly better, though, as soon as Whitehurst warmed up and put on his helmet. Hmmmm…
For serious?!
When??
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Middle of the 2nd
“Dude, Whitehurst just put his helmet on.”
(pause)
“Can Matt see him?”
“Dunno.”
“He needs to make Matt see him. Maybe he should wave a hanky.”
--Shrug
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That sums it up
I’ve never been more ticked off about a game in which victory was never really in doubt.
--Shrug
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The dude has 4...
and he should have 7-8. Glad we have him, though.
What's up with Carlson?
I know that it’s a difficult question to answer…but is it him or is it Matt? It seems that he’s had a lot of near catches and a lot more drops this year?
I think it is mostly Matt
I know when you don’t get too many chances, you begin to press. It feels as if Carlson would pull a “Branch” if he had a good QB. Carlson still is talented, but looks frustrated and out of sorts.
That near-reception when Matt fired up the middle on a (streak?) route
it looked like John turned his head too late. I put that on Carlson.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
There was one where Carlson looked over his left shoulder where the DB was right on him.
And then by the time he looked over his right where the ball was coming, it was too late. Not sure why he didn’t look to his right in the first place.
by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 25, 2010 10:37 AM PDT up reply actions
Plus they can put double coverage on Carlson on blitzes.
Whenever Hasselbeck gets pressured he seems to try and throw it to Carlson.
Also, did the TV broadcast give any word on Okung?
Did he re-injure it or was it another flare-up like in St. Louis?
Very happy about that.
Multiple injuries to the same spot become more difficult to heal
by biggiestylez on Oct 24, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
It's his other ankle and it's a low sprain.
He’ll miss time but not as much.
"How do you think my anus feels?"-House
by seattle_since_81 on Oct 24, 2010 5:42 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Crappy luck.
Ironic too.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
He came back out and was in full uni on the sideline after he went to the locker room.
I bet he would have went back in if Polumbus started sucking it up.
OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!
Word I heard on KIRO..
was that it was the OTHER ankle. Not as bad as the first one.
I'm not sure how i will resist the urge to break something
when I hear former quarterbacks spend all week violating multiple rules of logic in an attempt to convince us that Hasselbeck had a good game.
I do not understand Millen defending him so much.
He should know better.
I would guess they are probably good friends
But, boy was it painful watching Matt hold the ball so long squeezing it, dithering whether he can make throws. You can’t tell me no one was open that often.
Matt was let down with some drops today, though, and poor tracking of throws. The one Carlson dropped deep in the red zone was pretty tough, though, the safety hit him hard.
The number of difficulty “11” grabs BMFMW made were off the chart. Without BMW today, we lose.
The play calling didn't do Hasselbeck or the offense any favors.
After Okung went down it was a strange mix of “Let’s not do anything to lose the game on offense” coupled with a half-assed commitment to the running game. Jesus Christ, Bates if you want to play it safe, run it down their throats. There are ways to execute a “play not to lose” game plan and this wasn’t it.
It wasn’t until the Cardinals scored a TD that the Seahawks offense established any rhythm. And that was pretty much Bates, throwing up his hands and saying, fuck it, if we’re going to choke this game away, we might as well go out swinging.
I hear a lot of complaining, but not a lot of detail.
We took our shots downfield, but Matt had trouble keeping the ball on target or even on the field.
The playcalling wasn't terrible
The execution of the playcalls, on the other hand… horrible.
Karma police, arrest this man.
by wyte_lightning on Oct 24, 2010 6:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Bates didn't take his foot off the gas pedal
but the car was filled with MH diluted gas. Dude stunk up the joint all day. We were passing on first down, keeping them off balance but everytime Hass audibled into a double move route it seemed like he didn’t even know where to throw it. Besides 3 drives I can’t think of a time when I didn’t want to see Charlie come in.
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by Hancock.Brett on Oct 24, 2010 6:37 PM PDT up reply actions
A balanced offense doesn't mean that you have to rotate between runs and passes.
the [failed] passing plays that Bates dialed up in the first half only served to derail the running game. Bates only called three passing plays in a row once in the first half, and the Seahawks didn’t run the ball three times in a row until the 3:17 mark of the 4th quarter. As a result, both the passing and running games failed to find a rhythm.
On the Seahawks pivotal drive after the Cardinals TD, the Seahawks started with the ball at their own 13 yard line, and what followed was 11 straight Hasselbeck passes. By the time the dust had settled, the Seahawks had made it all the way down to the Cardinals 6 yard line.
Even when Hasselbeck was in his prime, he was a rhythm QB (or if you want to be unkind, streaky). It’s not surprising that he didn’t snap out of his coma until Bates let him throw it repeatedly.
I’m more than a little troubled by Hasselbeck’s play in the red zone, but I still maintain that Bates called a truly awful game.
I really do not see the logic behind your argument that Bates called an awful game.
No team survives entirely on always passing or always running. It might be a cliche, but there is no doubt that offenses must keep at least some degree of balance.
As for Matt being a rhythm quarterback, fine, but it would seem prudent to remember that his best year was a year in which Shaun ran for almost 2000 yards.
My point is that a balanced offense has nothing to do with
passing on first down to keep the defense off balance (as another poster suggest Bates did today).
A balanced offense is an offense that can have success passing the ball and running the ball. It doesn’t matter if you string together 20 straight passes and follow it up with four runs. You can pass to set up the run and vice versa. Bates didn’t commit to the running game today, and he didn’t commit to the passing game until late in the third quarter. When he finally did, we actually moved the ball.
Not only do I share the sentiment...
… but this could also double as a joke commentary on Hasselbeck’s South Park appearance.
by nucleard on Oct 24, 2010 7:19 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
Think the playcalling and personnel use
was strange at times? Why go away from Lynch, let alone the run as a whole, when Matt was in his apparent coma? Why have Forsett in there rushing into the teeth of defense on short yardage situations?
According to carroll
Losing Robinson had something to do with it.
by m_b on Oct 24, 2010 10:15 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Wait Robinson got injured too??
What game was I watching?!
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
They were fullback-less towards the end of the game
when Robinson came out. He also couldn’t take over as QB for Matt which is why he kept playing.
Specifically, he mentioned that losing Robinson
meant there were some plays they couldn’t run.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 11:02 PM PDT up reply actions
I'm happy with the win
I’d rather have an ugly win than a beautifully-played loss. We’ve didn’t play well or consistently, but this is still a maturing team, with players and schemes that are still trying to mesh.
The offense played horribly (the OL was a turnstile, Matt looked hopeless, the running game was far from dominant and there were lots of drops), but I’m confident we can improve. Lets hope Okung comes back healthy and quickly.
The defense wasn’t stellar, but it got the job done and how about that youngsecondary: ET almost had 3 picks and WTIII held his own. We used a lot of 6 DB packages against a couple of shitty QBs, but we got the job done.
Lastly, the special teams were awesome. We only allowed a couple of big runs, the kicking game was awesome and those FF during the returns were amazing.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 5:52 PM PDT reply actions
I'm happy they won
But not happy WITH the win. If that makes sense.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 6:49 PM PDT up reply actions
Precisely.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 7:10 PM PDT up reply actions
I understand what you're saying exactly
I just believe that the most important thing is that we won. We can always improve in execution, scheme and production, but we can’t go back and turn a moral victory into a real victory. This is a team that clearly isn’t perfect or consistent. Expecting that every game is a dominant victory is only setting yourself up for heartbreak.
We won the game. We have a lot of areas we need to improve on but we also had some brilliant play by some young talent.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 7:57 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
I'm not expecting every game to be a dominant victory.
I want to see the makings of a team that do the little things well consistently to give them a perpetual chance to win games.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
And I didn't see that today, or, in fact, all season long.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 8:42 PM PDT up reply actions
This team is still growing
Its too early to expect consistently good play everywhere. We’re going to have good games and shitty games as we improve.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 9:32 PM PDT up reply actions
The key words in my statement were:
(Doing) the little things (well consistently)
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 10:48 PM PDT up reply actions
If you're worried about people not understanding you
you should write clearly and specifically. I’m not a mind reader.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 11:08 PM PDT up reply actions
I was watching this at a bar in LA
surrounded by Seahawks fans, and really it only ever felt like Arizona was close for part of the third. Even though the offense was struggling I just never felt like Arizona was gonna get back into this.
It was interesting to be surrounded by “average fans” and see how many of them wanted Whitehurst. Nobody seems sold on Hasslebeck anymore.
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
What bar?
I may try to join you guys in the future.
FG's second favorite football-illiterate semi-troll.
ditto
I live in the LA area and don’t know any decent place to watch the Hawks game.
I don't live in California...
but I might want to start drinking.
I don't know about bluemax, but I was at the Backstage Bar in Culver City
Small bar but a HUGE Seahawks following there. Place blew up when we wrapped up the game today!
That's where I was!
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
That place is awesome.
I don’t make it to every game because I live all the way up in Northridge, and sometimes it’s just easier to watch an internet feed.
It was pretty fun, my only complaint is the overall lack of seating
but I managed to get a spot at the bar so that was cool.
I live maybe 2 miles from there so I could see myself going there a couple more times this season.
To improve, they should try to become the musical southern cal of the west. - bRuins Nation poster on the Stanford band.
I think you hit the nail on the head, John.
As frustrating as it can be to watch this team from week-to-week, it is a team that is coming together.
And Okung has shown just how valuable he is and how a lot of this offense’s success is going to hinge on him being on the field. We haven’t seen the best of BMW because Okung is not in there to give Hass more time. We haven’t seen the best of Lynch and Forsett because Okung is not in there to wreck the left side of the defense. Okung is the key that will unlock the talent on offense, even with Hasselbeck at the helm.
Can’t say enough about the special teams. It is probably the greatest unit turnaround this team has seen from last year.
The defense is loaded with young talent and is the most exciting unit to watch grow each week. If the Seahawks are going to make the playoffs and succeed in the playoffs, the defense is what is going to take us there.
Nice article. I agree.
Pete and John have amassed a lot of hidden talent, and I’m confident we will be a contender while these two are calling the shots.
I have called for Hasselbeck to be benched, and he still doesn’t look good, but I have more or less changed my mind. I think that he is the veteran leader on this team, and I don’t think it is time to break up chemistry for an unproven backup. I feel that the offense Bates wants to run fits Whitehurst better, but I would prefer that Bates stick with Matt, and lean more on the run game. I think we need to force teams to put 8 in the box against us, and have Matt use his veteran smarts to find the receivers in 1 on 1 coverage. We can control the clock, shorten games, and limit risks and game changing mistakes from Matt.
'BMFMW is the most talented wide receiver in Seahawks history.'
That is one hell of a statement. I’m more commenting this in an attempt to open a debate, as I doubt that my knowledge of both football and Seahawks’ history is sufficient to effectively tackle the subject (the curse of being born in Europe in 1990, it would seem) and I can see where you’re coming from, but I was pretty uncomfortable with this statement.
Perhaps it was the use of ‘talent’, that murky, ill-defined, somewhat impossible-to-judge quantity (when does ‘potential’ become talent? When does Jordan Kent become Randy Moss?); or perhaps it’s all due to Largent, but calling Williams the Hawks’ ‘most talented’ receiver ever seems all too premature to me.
by Mickapeckalin on Oct 24, 2010 7:04 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Technically Jerry Rice was a Seahawk receiver
Though by then he was maybe 1/3 the player he had been in San Francisco.
by SmartAssCoug on Oct 24, 2010 8:20 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Rice couldn't hold Largent's jock strap.
Yeah, I said it.
This might be the most homerific statement I've ever read.
by Phil Hatzenbuehler on Oct 25, 2010 8:10 AM PDT up reply actions
You don't get out enough.
If Largent played with that much talent around him and a QB like Montana and an offensive coach like Walsh, there’s no telling how many stats and rings he would have. As it was, he broke every receiving record there was to break.
Besides, I never said he was better, I was commenting on his ability to hold onto Largent’s jock.
Considering how well he could catch a spheroid moving at high speed,
I think he could probably hold a stationary jock.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
On that note,
I think having great skill means a player has very high standards of play and 99% of the time meets them, whereas having great talent means a player is capable of, and to whatever degree DOES, extraordinary things. Largent was way more skilled than he was talented (from what I’ve seen/heard of him) whereas Williams has more talent than skill, partially based on his physicality.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
I'd second this.
BMFMW is talented = BMFMW has incredible physical tools.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
Not a good day, but not as bad as it appeared on the surface.
A couple phantom holding calls went against him.
I thought he got screwed on the holding calls
I was disappointed with the beating Branch put on him though.
He was pretty terrible from the opening drive
He had the false start on first and goal, then followed it up by letting his man track down Lynch on the next two run plays effectively killing the drive. It obviously didn’t get better from there.
An above-average QB and this team is probably 5-1 or 6-0
Right now I consider above-average to be someone like Matt Ryan.
This offense has got some TALENT despite having an offensive line coming apart every week. BeastForce is great, the receivers are impressing, and all that’s left is a QB who can consistently deliver medium range throws and not crap himself at the slightest bit of pressure.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
Matt Ryan is only above average?
I agree with the thoughts though.
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by Hancock.Brett on Oct 24, 2010 7:23 PM PDT up reply actions
He's a very good QB
My level of great-elite begins at Matt Schaub.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
He had an incredible game last week.
Houston and us appear to have opposite problems.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Looking at the rest of the schedule
I don’t see any games on there that I automatically pencil in as a loss at this point. Obviously they’ll win some and lose some but I don’t see any that I would automatically dismiss as out of reach.
I'd pencil in Tampa and New Orleans
Mostly because they are road games, one of which is on the east coast. But it’s also a very tentative penciling, as both teams are beatable. It’s really dependent on which Seahawks team shows up for those games.
by splintrdmind on Oct 24, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions
After NO got rocked by the third-stringer-led Browns?
I’m no longer terrified of that game. Sure I think Breesus will probably go nuts on our secondary, but after today’s debacle I definitely think we’ve got a very solid chance.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
After all these picks he's been throwing?
ET should have another fun moment or two Come Nov. 21st.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Also:
We have rock-solid secondary depth near as I can tell. WT3 and Lewis both had great games.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
WT3 had one awful play where he blew coverage on Doucet (IIRC) and allowed a ~18-yard first down.
Other than that, agreed. Still, if we needed five turnovers to beat AZ by 12 then we’ll need 8 to beat NO by more than a TD.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
In a zone D, it's hard to say when a CB breaks coverage, or when a receiver cuts in-between the zone itself.
Although I’m not sure what happened to allow Doucet to get so open.
I had thought it was man-to-man coverage.
Could be wrong, but it looked to me like the rook got greedy and bailed on coverage, trying to jump the lane for the INT.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
You may be right
All I saw on the TV was the receiver totally open when he caught it; wasn’t following the secondary at all until the catch was made.
Honestly I don't know what to think of New Orleans
except that Brees appears to be more interception prone. They whomped Tampa Bay and shoulda beat Atlanta, but their losses have been rather damning.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Like I said, it's a tentative penciling
by splintrdmind on Oct 24, 2010 11:38 PM PDT up reply actions
When Mebane Returns
(and hopefully that’s next week), we’ll have a true test of how well our Run “D” stacks up against an above average runner like McFadden. Additionally, to win this division, we need to win AT LEAST two more games on the road. It’s tough to predict what our record will be at the end of the season with all these other teams pulling Jekyll and Hyde routines in alternating weeks.
I will determine whether or not we win
Based on Oakland’s QB. I think we could struggle with Gradkowski but eat up Campbell and Boller.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
It can't be that simple
I’m still not convinced as to how well we’re going to play on the road (one road win in Chicago does not convince me we’re a half-decent road team). John (Morgan)‘s right that our run defence looked quite weak during quite a few of the Wells and Hightower runs today. We’ll need to play better on both sides of the ball if we hope to keep the win streak alive. Plus BMW might not be as much of a factor next week with Asomugha on him. Plus it will be halloween. Anything can happen.
I do think Mebane means everything to this run defense
Which is both concerning and encouraging. Encouraging in that Mebane is an all-around badass but concerning that if he has a long-term injury we’re screwed.
Also I don’t have the rankings knowledge with me but I am certain Oakland is near the bottom in rush defense.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
I dunno man,
they still dominated Forte without him. And Cole has been getting off blocks and making tackles like nobodies business. That being said, Balmer seemed pretty ineffective.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Chicago didn't stick with the run as much as the Cardinals did today
Plus, I think that the Bears’ O-Line is in a bit of shambles at the moment.
YPC though.
I know, small sample-size but qualitatively it was there. It’s not like the Mebane-less defense was just good against the run – they destroyed it.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
In the Chicago game*
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Right, right.
Not putting any stock in net yards for the game.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Mebane fixes the run defense.
God help us all if he doesn’t play.
Has anyone else noticed
that we seem to have a really difficult time delivering a knockout punch towards the end of the game? Other than in the opener against the ‘Niners, we don’t seem to be able to put together that final drive that will cement the game early in the 4th quarter. It seems that we allow the opposition to have an outside chance at mounting a comeback every game. I believe considerable thanks are owed to both the 12th Man as well as Mother Nature today. If Hall had played like Anderson had today then we might not be sitting atop the West. But, hey!…. I’m certainly glad that we are.
This has been a problem even before this season
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
A Seattle team having trouble scoring?
by Matthew on Oct 24, 2010 7:51 PM PDT up reply actions 4 recs
I think if we get a power hitter to hit in the middle of the lineup, the Seahawks offense will be much better.
And Hasselbeck certainly needs a relief pitcher.
by J.L. White on Oct 24, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
I'd like Carroll to tap his left arm in the 4th quarter and bring in Brian Wilson
He’d challenge Whitehurst for epic beard-ness.
If you really want to be an optimist
This is the 3rd game already in which we’ve held the opposition to just one offensive touchdown.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
That is definitely a glass half-full approach.
But a disclaimer has to be used for today’s game: Max Hall was the starting quarterback.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 8:43 PM PDT up reply actions
Max only played half of the game
and we still kept Larry under 30 yards (in part due to a rookie 4th-round CB).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 9:33 PM PDT up reply actions
Our rookies are better than yours.
They bring all the bois to the yard.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
by Cheddar28 on Oct 24, 2010 10:24 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
And that was basically the difference in the game, that Max Hall only played half of a game.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 10:42 PM PDT up reply actions
Though a very oversimplified difference.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
by Carl Shinyama on Oct 24, 2010 10:44 PM PDT up reply actions
Watching BMFMW was fucking awesome!
His hands are like vice-grips. He looks like Marques Colston, Calvin Johnson, Brandon Marshall, Larry Fitzgerald with the body-control, catch-radius, tough catches in traffic, and adjusting to imperfect throws. He really impressed me today. I though DRC would cover him well given his tools, but it was not to be.
I still don’t know if Big Mike has a deep gear what with Matt lobbing the ball. I agree with John’s assertion: #1 WR, Possession receiver, who cares? I love the guy and have since I saw him with my own two eyes in Training Camp this summer. Great story and I’ve never felt this good about an offensive weapon in Seattle since SA.
Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn
Hands yes.
Ball security? As in right after he receives? Hmmm… troubling. I mean, watching from the stands, it looked like Mike is better at corralling the ball rather than catching it, so if a defender gets in too close I can see some problems. In fact my memories of his past drops confirms this notion.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
BMW hauled down at least one catch with the the defenders mits all up in his grill.
At least in this game, Beamer’s hands were excellent.
If Hasselbeck is hurting the team to a great extent, what would a good alternative be? (I don't know much about NFL football, so bear with me)
What is the kind of quarterback talent is freely available in the NFL, and how much would a good medium-to-long term solution at quarterback conceivable cost? Or is discovering and harnessing quarterback talent too much of a “diamond in the rough” operation for that question to be answered easily?
Its incredibly hard to find a franchise QB
Chicago tried and failed for decades to find one before they traded a fortune for Cutler (and there’s still a question if he’s as good as they thought).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Oct 24, 2010 8:33 PM PDT up reply actions
I'd Imagine that either Vick or Kolb will be available next year
by biggiestylez on Oct 24, 2010 10:53 PM PDT up reply actions
Kolb!!!!
No Vick :(
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My two cents
In the last 10-15 or so years there have only been 3 QBs that were picked up off the free agency wire that have transformed a team completely. Kurt Warner(twice), Drew Brees and Matt Schuab. Those are the only ones I can think of, I’d rule out ever finding our next great QB from the waiver wire.
The draft is where it’s at but it looks like we’d have to sink significant resources to find that QB. Early-mid first rounder is what it is going to take because there are tons of teams that will snatch up the top 2 QBs each year with more holes then us. Browns, Bucs( I’m not sold on Freeman) , Buffalo, Carolina, Niners and so on.
It seems like the formula is to just draft one and hope they work out but to not be afraid to cut your loses if they don’t. See Fourty Niners.
From The Hawks Nest - Seahawks Podcast
http://www.http://itunes.apple.com/us/podcast/from-the-hawks-nest/id385227705
by Hancock.Brett on Oct 24, 2010 8:45 PM PDT up reply actions
Carolina picked up Clausen and Cleveland picked up McCoy this last draft.
I imagine they are going to give them a chance to develop.
Josh Freeman is pretty good and he will be given another couple of years.
I am more afraid of the Pittsburghs and Tennessees. I don’t think Pittsburgh is going to Rothlisberger around with his troubles and they will begin looking for a replacement. Tennessee is probably fed up with the Vince Young era. Good teams are notorious for finding their next QB while they currently have someone competent at the position.
But then again, who knows? If a QB comes along too good to pass up, then most any team would draft them.
I disagree with everything after the first two paragraphs.
As long as Ben keeps his nose (and….) clean, he’ll stay in Pittsburgh. If they kept him right after everything went down they’ll stick with him unless he fucks up again. Tennessee isn’t going to give up on Young; he was 3-2 before getting injured and Collins sure isn’t their future. Moreover, even though I’m high on the ’Hawks currently, I bet that both teams pick later than we do next draft.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
Agreed.
They’ve really gone to great lengths to promote this rejuvenated, apologetic Roethlisberger – I would think for the purpose of keeping him.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
I think your list should only be 2 QBs
Schaub wasn’t a free agent. He was Vick’s backup in Atlanta and Houston traded picks (two 2nds and swapped 1st-rounders).
I suppose one could make the argument that when Pennington was picked up by Miami he helped turn them around (from 1-15 to winning the AFC East in one season), though he was just a short term replacement.
by SmartAssCoug on Oct 25, 2010 10:39 AM PDT up reply actions
Freely-available (and above-average) QB talent is almost impossibe to come by
Drew Brees was once a free agent, but that was following a pretty serious shoulder injury while with the Chargers (if it wasn’t for that, he almost surely would have signed with the Dolphins instead of the Saints….think about that for a moment). The Seahawks will almost surely use a 1st or 2nd round draft pick to get that elusive “franchise QB;” even if Whitehurst excels when given the chance, I think this organization is going to want to have a healthy amount of fresh blood available at the position.
John on Mike Williams 2 days ago:
“He may not be a great number one receiver just yet, but… he looked like a dependable possession receiver. If it takes a possession receiver with number one receiver tools for the Seahawks passing offense to sputter to life, then so be it.”
JOHN ON MIKE WILLIAMS TODAY:
“BMFMW is the most talented wide receiver in Seahawks history. He’s an absolute game changer with few peers. "
I'm a fan of the Ducks, Seahawks, Trailblazers, and... this elephant.
by maxmillian on Oct 24, 2010 8:53 PM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Why is that ridiculous?
He says BMW has #1 receiver tools who has arrived just yet. This week BMW arrived. He absolutely has the most talent any receiver has had in Seahawks history. Now it is about getting him the numbers to etch it in stone.
I would say he was an unbelieveably talented WR even after washing out with the Lions and Raiders
The talent was always there; Beamer just had to get in shape and learn how to put is already-present ability to work as a dependable NFL receiver. To do so in just a few months is totally remarkable; if it wasn’t for his great latent talent it would have taken Williams a lot longer to grow into this role.
Skill vs. talent.
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The difference is in the wording.
He said most-talented. Not saying he has realized his full potential or that he is the best WR ever. He has the potential to be the best because so far he has shown amazing traits and John is noticing them. John has praised BMW all season so no, he is not flip-flopping. Wording is everything.
by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 24, 2010 9:22 PM PDT up reply actions
maxmillian on himself:
“I respect insight and scoff at overemotional griping.”
MAXMILLIAN ON HIMSELF TODAY:
Overemotional griping.
by Wilder. on Oct 24, 2010 9:26 PM PDT up reply actions 3 recs
The ironic humor around here is pretty killer.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
I would say Max's latent overemotional griping was already there, even after washing out of other Seahawks blogs
He always had the ability to point out other blogger’s faults, but after losing some weight and learning to put his already-present bitching and moaning to good use, he has developed into a Field Gulls-level pain in the ass. To do what he did in such a short amount of time is truly remarkable!
Ridiculous? Here's John from four days ago:
I want to make clear that I think Williams could be a top five receiver. He isn’t super fast, and he sometimes loses concentration in traffic, but he’s huge, coordinated and his route running, especially at 6’5" 230, is absolutely a marvel to behold. Guys like Williams shatter profiles.
Link.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
by thebyron on Oct 24, 2010 11:59 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
Pretty depressing comment thread
Reads more like we lost than just grabbed sole possession of first place in the NFC West.
"Hey, guess what? Nobody cares who would win in a crazy fantasy fist-fight between Anne Frank and Lizzie Borden." The Monarch
by crushedoptimist on Oct 24, 2010 10:43 PM PDT reply actions
We're passionate Seahawks fans, and we're all-to aware of this team's flaws
I’m thrilled with the win, but that shouldn’t mean we should be blind to the myriad of problems this team still needs to overcome. I think there was some more good in this game than some commentors have pointed out, but I haven’t read one thing (yet) in this thread that has been blatantly false or anything.
I'm thrilled to know how bad the cards
suck ass this year. That’s a big plus for me from today.
And the 9ers.
And the Rams on the road.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
God I wish
we played the Rams before week 17. I want REVENGE BITCHES!
Suspeeeeense.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
By the time we get to Candlestick, I bet the Niners will be in full "just waiting for this season to end" mode
Going 1-6 all but ends any playoff hopes (which probably have been dead for weeks now), and Singletary may be fired before we see this team again.Let’s just hope this team has enough fight left in them to knock off the Cardinals and Rams before the final nail is hammered into their coffin!
See my attempt and cheering up in the Twitter thread
:D! Holy crap guys 2-1 division record with one more division home game to look forward to.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
attempt at*
ugh.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
Post Matt.
I think Matt will retire after this year, don’t worry about not resigning him. What so you to this: Kolb?
*say you to this: Kolb
yes, we’ll pay out the nose for him but I think he would be a perfect fit in Seattle.
Go Cougs!!!
Kolb would be awesome.
So would Locker, however, or some other draft QB. Drafting one sounds really good just because Carroll seems to use his players really well – that is to say that he plays each to their strengths and weaknesses for the most part and, as John has put it squeezes potential out of them.
Though they sink through the Sea, they shall rise again...Death shall have no dominion... Over the Hawks that is. May they reach unadulterated glory and earn the metonym of "Phoenixes".
I agree.
And while many may be down on Locker, he is a perfect fit for Bates’ offense and he still has the raw tools to be that franchise guy. It would be nice to be able to draft our future QB instead of trading for one.
by Hopefulmsfan on Oct 25, 2010 10:53 AM PDT up reply actions
Matt Millen is rubbing off on you
Locker is RAW!!!
I thought so too
But I think Smackdown is tanking on purpose to try drafting him ahead of RAW.
by SmartAssCoug on Oct 25, 2010 1:15 PM PDT up reply actions
But let's say, from a puff of smoke, a 25 year old Shaquille O'Neal appeared and joined your team
KAZAAM!
by Thomas Beekers on Oct 25, 2010 6:10 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Ahem.....had him as the superhero in all metal with the hammer
’Cause I want that guy.
by DJ C-Raig on Oct 25, 2010 8:50 AM PDT via mobile up reply actions
The writer is correct
that we need a new QB. I hear Peyton Manning is available at the end of the season.
Out of all the sacks I saw yesterday, only one or two were the fault of the O-Line and the rest saw Matt standing as if a cardboard cutout waiting to get hit.
Throw it or run.
John Hancock
Who knew that Craig Terrill was a large black man this weekend? Could be the reason we won...
Take a look at the caption under the picture to the right of the headline…
I remember a picture where one of our WRs was celebrating with either Morrah or Baker
but the caption said it was John Carlson.
It must be due to that infamous and damaging curse of old...
‘East Coast Media Bias’. The blight has spread all the way to Arizona!!
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