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On Russell Okung's Injuries

Write a football blog for a few years and you will learn, in a very amateur way, a lot about high ankle sprains.

You will learn how to quickly and effectively explain the difference between a "high" ankle sprain and an ankle sprain.

Why is a high ankle sprain worse than a typical ankle sprain? One can figure it out pretty intuitively, actually. A regular ankle sprain involves an ankle overextending medially. The ankle is designed for some medial movement. That means it can twist and turn from a straight position towards the middle of one's body. That motions is called pronation. It does not move well laterally. That motion is called supination. A lateral, common ankle sprain involves movement of the foot medially. The sprain occurs to the ligaments being stretched rather than the ligaments being compacted. When someone suffers a high ankle sprain, it is because the ankle is over supinated. It has moved too far laterally and strained the ligaments on the medial side.

You will learn that they can haunt some players and be a bad moment in an otherwise healthy career for others. In the above article, both Sean Locklear and Josh Wilson had been diagnosed with high ankle sprains. Locklear has been haunted by the injury and it's possible he lost some of his talent along the way. Wilson has suffered no recurrence that I know of. (You also learn that it's recurrence and not reoccurence like I used to write. Stupid me.)

You will learn hopeful anecdotes, like this from the Seattle Times:

Nov. 9, 1997: Jones missed Seattle's game at San Diego because of a sprained ankle. It was the fourth game he missed because of injury his rookie year, and the last game he missed because of injury until after he suffered a knee injury on Nov. 27, 2008 at Dallas.

That's right, Walter Jones, megastud and everything and more we hope for Russell Okung to become, suffered two separate sprained ankles his rookie season and missed four games. Jones missed time with both a right ankle sprain and a left ankle sprain and his left ankle was "so sore that Jones [couldn't] put any weight on it." Neither injury was classified as a high ankle sprain, but that might just point to the evolving nature of jargon.

Mostly what you learn though is that it sucks when a talented young player is injured, but that there is no way to know exactly what that means to his career or his potential. I find it somewhat heartening that both of Okung's injuries were suffered at the hands of a teammate, not because I get off on that sort of thing, but because it makes the injury seem more "freak" i.e. more like a chance run of bad luck and not evidence of a player that is vulnerable to injury or prone to injury or, blech, whose body is actively breaking down.

Which is to say, in long form, Okung's injury is serious, serious enough for concern and caution, and we're all bummed that such a talented kid has been slowed in his fated journey of domination and exploitation of the NFL, but he may follow this disheartening start with ten consecutive seasons of pristine health. We have no way of knowing.

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What about

“Axing a question about the troof of the matter?”

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Oct 25, 2010 12:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

that's

brookynese my friend.

Beam yourself up

I'm a one man rec'n crew

by jubelthebear on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

arrggghh

that’s Brooklynese my friend.

Beam yourself up

I'm a one man rec'n crew

by jubelthebear on Oct 25, 2010 12:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

I like "irregardless."

In fact I use that word occasionally, even though I know that it is grammatically incorrect.

by TMann_2 on Oct 25, 2010 5:03 PM PDT up reply actions  

Thanks for the perspective, John...

Also – last paragraph, second sentence: ‘hit’ should be ‘his’….

by dassler10 on Oct 25, 2010 11:48 AM PDT reply actions  

I shouldn't say 'should be'

Maybe you meant to write exactly what you wrote and I am an ignoramus… It’s happened before.

by dassler10 on Oct 25, 2010 11:51 AM PDT up reply actions  

Okung gets better

…Hawks get better. Best wishes, big guy.

by Bodach on Oct 25, 2010 11:52 AM PDT reply actions  

Yes

And stubborn and committed. At one point, as Okung was limping off the field, the trainer to his left reached out as if to assist Okung. Okung appeared to swat the trainer’s hand away, as if to say “I don’t need your help off the field.” He was pretty obviously angry that he had been hurt again. Loved the attitude, and hope he takes it out on defensive linemen when he gets back.

by jeager on Oct 25, 2010 1:30 PM PDT up reply actions  

Yeah, He's Big

But he’s big in that way that athletic men are. He doesn’t look fat at all, he just looks like a normal human who’s been scaled up to that size.

Kinda like Walter Jones.

by robbbbbb on Oct 25, 2010 1:45 PM PDT up reply actions  

But a little rougher looking.

Walter looked almost like an enlarged normal person. Okung looks like of like a brawler.

by cashless on Oct 25, 2010 4:29 PM PDT up reply actions  

I had a high ankle sprain 2 years ago

It still hurts from time to time, and my ankle pops roughly 40 million times a day

by Jackrabbit5683 on Oct 25, 2010 12:35 PM PDT reply actions  

Whoa, didn't mean to sound so cheerful

Yeah it hurts from time to time, but it’s really more like a stiff muscle or something like that. The popping is nothing more than a noise. It doesn’t hurt at all

by Jackrabbit5683 on Oct 25, 2010 12:36 PM PDT up reply actions   1 recs

Trying not to panic

I know its way to early to worry about Okung being “injury prone” but I can’t shake the terrifying thought of his career getting derailed by all these injuries. Get better quick Russ

by Dialectic on Oct 25, 2010 12:47 PM PDT reply actions  

Okung is a difference maker.

The opening drive of yesterdays game with Okung and the following without is a prime example of how big a difference one man can make. Get well soon Okung. Matt’s health is counting on it. Actually… with that said maybe take your time getting better. :)

by grips on Oct 25, 2010 1:13 PM PDT reply actions  

Damn that penalty, wasn't it like on the 1yd line?

Really sucked we had to settle for an FG there. Then Ok got injured and yeah, we stunk after he went out.

by talofox on Oct 25, 2010 1:33 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well u wouldn't know it

By the date saying November 1997

by Mizuno2613 on Oct 25, 2010 2:23 PM PDT via mobile reply actions  

1997 was his original ankle injury.

2008 was the next time he was out because of injury. 2010 is when the timeline was written.

by MT Olson on Oct 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT up reply actions  

Well good news

Pete Carroll said during his presser that it’s a 1st degree sprain in his left ankle. Thankfully not very serious.

by BrianL on Oct 25, 2010 2:28 PM PDT reply actions  

Very good news

I didn’t think it was all that serious as well. Every time showed him on the sideline he was standing there waiting to go back in. But it was obvious the team had no plans to play him the rest of the game.

by cthunder on Oct 25, 2010 3:17 PM PDT up reply actions  

No word yet, but I suspect they coaching staff won't be rushing him back.

They showed a ton of restraint by pulling him against the Rams an they’ll probably show the same restraint moving forward.

by BrianL on Oct 25, 2010 6:14 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'll add also...

common sprains with the affected ligaments being just under the skin are easier to treat with ice. The ligament involved in a high ankle sprain is between two bones and therefore ice is going to have less of an affect as a course of treatment.

by farmer cam on Oct 25, 2010 4:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

And both ankle sprains caused by his team mates

Ben Hamilton got beat backwards and ended up stepping on Okung’s ankle for the first sprain. And now Baker (TE) missing a cut block and ending up rolling on Okung’s other ankle. If Okung’s bumbling teammates would stop spraining his ankles we’d be in pretty good shape. We should fine these idiots for every game of our first round draft pick francise left tackle doesnt play (g-damnit).

by Bellevue on Oct 25, 2010 7:56 PM PDT reply actions  

Inversion(common=supination) vs Eversion (rare) sprains are the lower ankle.

They are the ligaments between the tibis/fibula and the calcaneous/talus. Pronation and supination are explained backwards in the the article. The high ankle sprain is the tearing of the interosseous membrane/syndesmosis.

by bonecruncher on Oct 25, 2010 10:40 PM PDT reply actions  

We should just...

put Okung on the left side by himself when he returns.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Oct 26, 2010 10:01 AM PDT reply actions  

How about some comedy?

I came across some quotes from the great beyond while reading a Yahoo (!) article. If you need any reason to think that some of your fellow fans are more clueless than the average pencil eraser, here you go:

This guy is hurt more than he plays and when he plays he isn’t very good. – “Cowboy Joe”

They might want to check the kind of shoes Okung is wearing…… – “Patrick C.”

okung hurt again!!!!!,what a @#$%.get a draft choice for him now,before he becomes the next deion branch!!! get rid of him.!!! – “Michael”

okung sucks if your defending that 310 lb. sob. then you suck. he hasnt made a difference at all he has been hurt since joining the team. if carol gives him another chance this year then he is a fool. just put okung on IR. and when his ankle is better he can ride the bench becouse the season might as well be over. or better yet let him be the best practice squad tackle in the NFL. – “Joseph”

Thrilled to be excited about a Seattle running back for the first time since 2006.

by Wayward Llama on Oct 28, 2010 11:41 AM PDT reply actions  

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