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Cardinals at Seahawks, Third Quarter Notes

I have lived with this game all week and am sad to say I'm not done with it yet.

Let us wallow in the win.

  • Arizona matched Stephen Spach on Chris Clemons and Levi Jones on Jordan Babineaux. Babineaux didn't even rush the passer, just stand opposite Brown and ready himself for the coming strip sack. Clemons has been a heckuva find, healthy and contributing at high level as a pass rusher. Moments like this do not take away from his performance. One does the best with the assignment they are given. Clemons took this assignment, turned the corner, bulled through Spach and strip sacked Max Hall, ending Hall's day and putting Seattle's offense in the red zone.
  • Which they squandered.
  • It's typically imprudent to bench or cut a player after one bad game. If the coaching staff believed Sean Locklear was the team's best right tackle before last Sunday, even a terrible, terrible game shouldn't shake that belief. And though I don't put a ton of stock into offensive line continuity, I am sure there is some benefit to familiarity and trust. Seattle isn't abundant with tackle talent either.
  • So what if a player has a terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible, terrible game? At what point is a performance so bad that benching is the only sound decision?
  • Seattle squandered world class field position mostly because of Locklear.
  • He busted a block on Clark Haggans and Haggans tackled Marshawn Lynch after two. Those were Beast Mode yards, because Haggans was in position to drop Lynch for no gain or a loss.
  • Then Locklear allowed Hagans to pressure Matt Hasselbeck into a Joey Porter sack. Tyler Polumbus halfway blocked Porter on the left, clearing him briefly, but Locklear never managed even that and the two defenders combined for a sack only Porter was credited with.
  • Third and 16 from the Cardinals 17, Jeremy Bates dialed up another inside hand off. We have speculated whether Bates trusts Hasselbeck in third and long situations, and for the most part, we're really just guessing, but an inside hand off on third and 16 from the 17 is a true give up play. The run has very little chance of scoring, extremely little, I'm sure, and because there is only a one yard difference between the first down marker and the end zone, the hand off doesn't even significantly, if at all, improve the chance of a field goal. This was like a kneel down disguised as an offensive play call, and if that doesn't imply some lack of trust in Matt, I don't what does.

Star-divide

Arizona fumbled away the ensuring kick off.

  • Locklear blew another block and Hasselbeck threw the ball away towards Stokley.
  • Then there was an interesting play, not heartening, but interesting. John Carlson lands an excellent block on Joey Porter and sets the left edge like rarely happens in Seattle. Lynch slashes off left end and begins to run horizontally as if to turn the corner. He is pursued by Daryl Washington and the two are more or less equal, neither has the angle, both are running horizontal, Lynch looks to have a bit of a head start in reaching his top end speed, but it's comparable.
  • Washington is one of fastest linebackers from the 2010 class. He ran a 4.66.
  • Lynch does not outrun him. It looks a bit like Washington is gaining, and that seems to be Marshawn's read of the situation too, because he abandons the race to the edge and cuts up field. Which leads to a three yard gain on second and ten. According to NFL Draft Scout, the two have pretty similar ten yard times: 1.53 for Lynch compared to 1.57 for Washington. And it's not like I'm bugging out because he couldn't turn the corner, but that's the frank assessment of the play: Lynch had blocking and the edge but couldn't turner the corner against inside linebacker Daryl Washington.
  • Not too long after that, the drive was dead. Cameron Morrah twice held Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie before thinking better and not bothering to block him at all. Olindo Mare kicked the 51-yard field goal and passed his Pro Bowl candidacy.
  • I give DRC credit, he was selling out attempting a big, game changing special teams play. That's pretty much what the Cardinals needed to get back in the game.

Even though all that occurred early on, there wasn't a whole lot more that happened in this quarter. Derek Anderson subbed in for Hall and looked like the best quarterback to take Qwest Field. Seattle's run defense was pushed around. The mix of Lofa Tatupu, David Hawthorne, Will Herring and Lawyer Milloy proved to be no match for free blockers in the second level. Aaron Curry can get off a block, but, well, Aaron Curry.

Brandon Mebane missed practice Thursday and Friday and if you're the cut-throat fantasy type, I would start Darren McFadden in a heartbeat. I can't tell you for sure that this run defense falls apart minus Mebane, it's possible that other factors are in play, but I can tell you that the Seahawks run defense was about as bad as I've seen since the Divisional round blowout in Green Bay.

Both of Seattle's offensive tackles played poorly, and I think Tyler Polumbus is in line for his Sean Locklear-game any week now. The pass that Chris Baker dropped was very high and it was hard enough for Baker to get a hand on it much less reel it in. He may have broken out of his route early, though, so I wouldn't pin this entirely on Hasselbeck. Locklear picked up another hold and that killed another drive in the red zone. That drive was revived by a Cromartie offsides and then died again shortly thereafter.

After watching Miles Austin have a decent showing against the Seahawks in 2009, I remarked that I didn't see any reason he couldn't continue playing at that level, and I think the same might be said for Alan Branch. A lot of people thought Branch had top ten talent, but his stock dropped because of a mix of concerns about his character and his future as a defensive tackle. Both concerns were valid, but he seems to have straightened out the former and the transition to defensive end has been transformative. He absolutely dominated Locklear and Polumbus.

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Ugh, the divisional blowout in Green Bay was what I was thinking about the whole time.

Yeah, Alan Branch probably broke out. Gabe Watson ain’t so bad. Dockett might be the best in the league. Campbell is a beast. What talent. It’s enough to make you wonder: could a great defense look pedestrian from the QB undermining the offense?

by jacobstevens on Oct 29, 2010 4:45 PM PDT reply actions  

I don't think it's great

No great pass rusher, and the linebackers and secondary are still pretty uneven, but it’s young and developing.

by John Morgan on Oct 29, 2010 5:23 PM PDT up reply actions  

If anything it seems like they are aging.

Campbell is a beast though. No question

Talents I covet: Akeem Ayers, Leonard Hankerson, Knile Davis, DeMarcus Love

by Hendu66 on Oct 30, 2010 10:57 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm curious about something.

I’m sure I’ll get torn apart for asking this but what the hell; Up to only the third quarter of the Ariz. game? It’s Friday afternoon, is it out of line to believe game reviews could / should be completed by say, Wednesday?

It’s only a suggestion (…like assholes, everyone has one…) but perhaps the individual breakdowns (Carlson, Hall etc…) would be better suited after the actual game has been reviewed. Anyway…

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Oct 29, 2010 5:23 PM PDT reply actions  

I love you Duke, but I can't say I agree with this criticism.

I think an author has to go with whatever topic is hot on his/her mind. John, if you were on a roll with the Carlson article, IMHO you gotta go with it while you’re hot. Sticking with the concept while you’re still inspired makes for a better finished product. The game review reads just as well on Friday as it does on Wednesday.

LOL, not ripping you apart Duke, your comments contribute in a positive way to more than one of my favorite blogs.

by CHawkFanIn9erLand on Oct 29, 2010 6:16 PM PDT up reply actions  

That's fair,

and they do. But it seems like the individual critiques following the game analysis makes more sense. But as you said, the author’s got to go with what’s on their mind.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Oct 29, 2010 7:22 PM PDT up reply actions  

If I had my druthers

I’d rather see whatever catches John’s eye than churned out analysis of the four quarters. I know he doesn’t like overwhelming praise, but even his self-deprecating style can’t dismiss the fact that John is probably one of the sharper football minds creating focused single-team content.

The unique thing about this site to me is in depth football analysis as interesting things appear; instead of manufactured insight of the mundane bits dictated by someone’s production schedule.

by timlin45 on Oct 29, 2010 8:41 PM PDT up reply actions  

We all have our druthers.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Oct 29, 2010 9:04 PM PDT up reply actions  

Have you ever broken down film, Duke?

Not to be dickish, just a question. To go as in depth as John does is massively time consuming. Watching every play multiple times, even the shitty and mediocre ones, takes HOURS AND HOURS. Most of it is also tedious, boring and finely detailed. It’s a lot, and it’s why you don’t see it from most writers.

by Fightfightfight on Oct 29, 2010 11:31 PM PDT up reply actions  

I'm throughly aware of that and not my point at all.

Perhaps what you are implying is that while he’s pouring over the game, other things occur to him like the state of John Carlson. And he writes a 3 part series on him before getting to the second quarter of the game. That fine. That entails a great deal of film study as well. To me it seems out of order in way. But look, it’s only a preference and his methods and what he produces speak for themselves.

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Oct 30, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

*thoroughly*

I'm gonna go calm submissive on your ass.

by Dukeshire on Oct 30, 2010 8:46 AM PDT up reply actions  

Not to be critical of Dukeshire...

…since I think that his request was made in a civil and respecful manner, but I don’t think that most of us mind the “lateness” of the game analysis. I find the individual breakdowns to be just as (if not more) interesting and discussion-worthy as the game analysis.

Again, this is just one reader’s opinion. Thanks again for all of the great site content.

by TMann_2 on Oct 30, 2010 10:04 AM PDT up reply actions  

I hope Mebane comes back next week

And this isn’t a highly concerning long-term injury.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Oct 29, 2010 5:33 PM PDT reply actions  

Agreed, each week that goes by make me think of Pierre Thomas

Talents I covet: Akeem Ayers, Leonard Hankerson, Knile Davis, DeMarcus Love

by Hendu66 on Oct 30, 2010 10:55 PM PDT up reply actions  

Bates calling a handoff on 3rd & 16 from the 17 yard line...

Yeah, I can’t think of it as it being anything but an indication of Bate’s lack of faith
in Hass in that situation. A situation where you need a NFL caliber arm to score one
of them there TD’s. One of these days somebody’s going to start a “I wonder if Whitehurst could do better” debates.

by broadbill birdwatcher on Oct 29, 2010 6:45 PM PDT reply actions  

Jump Ball

Why not throw a couple jump balls to BMW on a couple of the 3rd down plays near the end zone. Throw it high to the Corner, worst thing he can’t reach it and it is incomplete. Best thing a TD. Second possible thing a PI in the endzone, first down at the 1. Especially on a 3rd and 17.

by Ratman44 on Oct 29, 2010 7:38 PM PDT up reply actions  

The way I see it is that it's simply playing the percentages.

I don’t have the exact stats, but I think we all know that the interception rate in the end zone is much higher than it is at the other parts of the field. Make that a 17 yard pass and the chance of an interception or a knock-down is even higher because the DBs have more time to read the quarterback’s eyes, adjust and get to the ball. In that situation I would think you would run it because, unless you have Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, you’re probably not going to get a touchdown and so you might as well get as many yards as possible and make the field goal as easy as you can. And hey, if you end up scoring, that’s great.

by Coach Owens on Oct 29, 2010 9:12 PM PDT up reply actions  

Do you think Holmgren would have called a different play in 2005?

I don’t. The handoff on 3rd and 16 has been a trademark of this team for years, anywhere on the field. Not sure what it means, but this isn’t something that started this year.

by lordtd on Oct 29, 2010 9:25 PM PDT up reply actions  

Our team is very ill suited for 3rd and long

Mediocre blocking+ shitty passing= little chance of conversion. Just blitz and you stop it. Though I think the Jump Ball to BMW is a good call, put matt in the gun, clear everyone but BMW to one side, throw the fade two seconds after the snap. Low rate of Failure, little risk.

by Fightfightfight on Oct 29, 2010 11:35 PM PDT up reply actions  

Branch has done absolutely nothing prior to destroying our offensive line in this game.

I don’t think Branch needs nearly the credit he’s getting in this post. We should be reading an indictment of our offensive line and pass-protection deficiencies.

Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn

by Misfit74 on Oct 30, 2010 3:32 PM PDT reply actions  

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