Should Seattle Claim Randy Moss?
Seattle is reportedly interested in claiming recently cut wide out Randy Moss. Thank you Cannonater for that link. Should the Seahawks claim Moss if he falls to them? It's a worthy question, especially in light of yesterday's offensive collapse and the Seahawks reported interest in Vincent Jackson, Brandon Marshall and Terrell Owens. Let's weigh the pros and cons.
Pros
Moss does not cost draft picks or future resources.
Minnesota cut Moss after trading a third round pick for him. He is now, apart from his $6.5 million salary, free. There is no league mandated salary cap, but we know that the Seahawks organization has set their own self-enforced cap. If Seattle has the room within their budget, it can sign Moss for no more than the asking.
Moss is a superstar wide receiver.
Moss is 33 and nearing 34, and his years as the best wide receiver in the NFL are probably over, but he is still one of the very best wide receivers in football. His speed, frame, ability to get away with offensive pass interference, ball skills and leaping ability force safety help deep. Anything but the very best corners in football are a liability matched one-on-one against Moss, and that ability to shift coverage schemes opens up underneath passing routes and the run game.
Seattle is competing for the NFC West.
The Seahawks sit atop the NFC West, but if they lose at home to the New York Giants, Seattle will fall into second place behind the St. Louis Rams. The Rams are 4-4 and own the tiebreaker. A player like Randy Moss could push Seattle over the top.
Claiming Moss allows Seattle to potentially re-sign or franchise Moss.
Claiming Moss gives Seattle the inside track to negotiate an extension, and if that's unfeasible, a chance to force Moss to stay through the franchise tag.
Claiming Moss and losing him in the off-season could lead to a valuable compensatory pick in 2012.
If Seattle does not re-sign and does not franchise Moss, he will sign with another team. Given that Moss should still command top dollar on the open market, the compensatory pick Seattle could regain could be as high as a third round pick.
Franchising Moss could lead to a trade.
If Seattle does franchise Moss but does not want to retain Moss, it could trade him for a draft pick. No team would be willing to spend the franchise price, but a second- or third-round pick, or some combination of picks, is entirely possible.
Cons
Seattle, as currently constructed, probably can not take advantage of Moss's ability.Any one of Deon Butler, Mike Williams and Golden Tate could be a deep threat, but none have proven capable of stretching the field in this offense. Adding a player like Moss may be adding another capable receiver to an offense that needs everything but.
Moss is outspoken.
Moss earned his way off of the Vikings roster with a post-game, self-conducted interview in which he lauded his former teammates, coach and fans and criticized his current coach. It wasn't as twisted as it's been made out to be, but it was still the complete opposite of "buying in." If Moss signs with Seattle, and the Seahawks continue to field one of the worst passing offenses in the NFL, Moss will make noise. He will make people forget T.J. Houshmandzadeh very quickly.
Moss takes snaps away from younger players.
This is of questionable significance, because we do not know if Butler, Tate and Williams need regular season snaps to develop. However, unless he is retained, signing Moss helps Seattle this season but leaves the team rebuilding its offense next season.
Conclusion
Signing Moss is playing with fire. If, for instance, Matt Hasselbeck or the Seahawks offensive line are the true reasons Seattle is struggling so badly to pass the ball, Moss won't help much and won't be happy when his numbers plummet. He will complain, cause a media circus and perhaps force his ouster, as he did in Minnesota. In that scenario, Seattle is worse off for flirting with Moss. It hurts the team's chances in 2010, it removes any compensation Seattle might receive for him leaving as a free agent in 2011, and it becomes a black eye for Pete Carroll.
But signing Moss also has clear value, if Seattle can be sure Moss can succeed in this offense as constructed. Or, potentially, if the Seahawks think a shakeup of some sort, the return of Russell Okung or the substitution of Charlie Whitehurst for Matt Hasselbeck, can be enough for Moss to succeed in Seattle. In that scenario, Moss is both very valuable and very inexpensive for the 2010 Seahawks, and, potentially, the future of the Seahawks whether he's re-signed or not.
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I irrationally want this to happen soooooo badly
because I cursed the day we took Anthony Simmons as opposed to Randy Moss on draft day. I could see a wonderful combo of Moss deep and BMW underneath with Whitehurst slinging it to both. Make it so!
I think Moss would be a big boost if Whitehurst was starting.
He could sort of be a bailout for Charlie when he decides to just chuck it deep. I don’t know if Moss will help all that much with Matt starting. I just don’t think Matt has the arm strength to make Moss and asset to the team.
I wonder how the Rams could not want him from the getgo,
or how they could still not want him after our interest has been publicized.
Yeah, the Rams would be pretty damn good with him.
I’d probably even go as far as to say that the West would be theirs to lose. I like the idea of Whitehurst, BMFMW and Moss all giving opposing DB’s nightmares, though.
I would doubt the Rams would do that
Their head coach is still new in his tenure. They have a rookie starter, whom they are afraid to give the keys to the car in a lot of ways. Not the right mix.
Actually, to me the right team for Moss is probably Miami. The Dolphins have a crack at the playoffs but need to make up ground in a hurry. They also need someone opposite Brandon Whathisname to open things up for him and the running game.
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
The Rams have WR problems. I will be surprised if they don't take him.
Of course they’re 13th on the waiver order. We’re 16th. For the time being (he’s not yet released, so if/when it becomes official, waivers (it’s 3 days, right?) could potentially push it out past this week which would shake up the order).
Does Moss want the Rams?
You gotta think he has effective veto power over any team. He can scare any em off if he wants. I might still choose STL if I was him, but who knows.
To claim him simply for the compensation pick or a franchise/trade is worth it
It’s also worth noting that (not that our franchise really needs to care about the cash) the Moss salary is pro-rated and will not cost the full $6.5M for the remainder of the year.
As a side note, instead of waiving Moss, I’m starting to think that Childress just waived himself.
by biju on Nov 1, 2010 3:12 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
It's worth it for that alone
Sign him for that, put him on the bench, and let the young guys play. Ha. Won’t happen, and he’d be pissed, but whatever: 3rd round pick!
I wonder what the formation would be...
Moss at the X, BMW at the Y and Tate/Stokely at the Z?
Thought it went X TE Y Z
In “12” packages.
by THolt on Nov 1, 2010 5:11 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
Pardon, "21" packages.
A, B and LB sound like gaps and linebacker.
by THolt on Nov 1, 2010 5:12 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
IMO
Moss could only be good news IF the Hawks benched Hass for CW AND CW can throw a good deep ball.
After yesterday, I’d be game to try…
I agree with John that he's still one of the best wideouts in the league.
Of course, that comes with the downside that he seems to have fallen back on his old dramatic ways.
I think its an issue of effort
He looked washed-up in Oakland.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2010 3:31 PM PDT up reply actions
Are you seriously
saying that Rice wasn’t as talented as Moss?
by m_b on Nov 1, 2010 4:10 PM PDT up reply actions
Moss gives up on plays and is outspoken when things aren't going well
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2010 3:30 PM PDT reply actions
But he is a 2-position player.
He can give up on plays and then he can ask his own questions in the press conference?
Where was your effort, Randy? Where was your effort?
by jacobstevens on Nov 1, 2010 3:33 PM PDT up reply actions 2 recs
How much would Pete Carroll's influence have on his off-the-field demeanor?
I’m thinking if he can take a fat MW—prior connections aside—and turn him into our number one or number two offensive weapon, he can handle a Randy Moss, who has to have been humbled somewhat by his release.
Mike got himself unfat by himself . . .
I would be more worried if Carroll could help his ON-the-Field demeanor.
I think Moss is one of those guys that Carroll's schtick doesn't impress
and BMW turned his life around all on his own. All Carroll did was give him a chance and demand excellence from him.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 1, 2010 4:11 PM PDT up reply actions
He probably didn't like Favre sending him all those dickpics.
Glad to be out.
by jacobstevens on Nov 1, 2010 3:34 PM PDT reply actions 4 recs
There are 15 other teams that can claim Moss ahead of Seattle
If for some reason one of the bottom teams didn’t claim him, Cincy or San Diego certainly would.
Rivers' deep ball is among the best.
Moss would fit great in SD. Better than St.Louis, that’s for sure.
Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn
I like John's pros and cons analysis
but Randy Moss is a head case. Why would you want a guy on your team that quits on plays and has a gigantic ego? Dude takes his entire talent and opportunities for granted. Unless the plan is to get draft picks for him in some way, I would think it makes more sense to just stay away from the guy.
See my reply to GftLH.
I think we’re ignoring the Big Balls Pete factor here. Although the deep ball concern is entirely legitimate.
"Why would you want a guy on your team that quits on plays and has a gigantic ego? "
Aren’t those prerequisites to be an NFL wide receiver?
I'm in the same boat that the only way it would make sense is if CW is the QB.
But I’m tired of Seattle teams getting superstars at the end of or past their primes. It seems that WR is the least of our worries right now.
Given Moss' tools, I don't necessarily think having a cannon-armed QB is necessary.
Moss could just be one more canine in the mouth that is our offense, nibbling away down the field. Like that annoying friend everyone has who takes forever to finish his god damn sandwich. It’s a fucking sandwich. Finish it already.
by THolt on Nov 1, 2010 3:51 PM PDT reply actions 1 recs
No really thinks that we could move a bit more the WC offense tendencies?
Using BMW and Moss, of course.
by THolt on Nov 1, 2010 4:34 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
No thx.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
Claim Moss now!
Claim him and then get Okung healthy and we will have quite impressive potential on Offense…and if that potential is parlayed into actual results and puts points on the board that takes tons of pressure off the Defense which has been admirable so far this season.
Shawn Bates will never die....so long as we remember THE penalty shot!
Agreed.
Lots of season left. Lots of time to get healthy, and lots of time to experiment with Whitehurt. PC may have tricks up his sleeve here.
My heart still lies with Hasselbeck...an effective running game and a decent O-line I think will do wonders for his productivity.
Shawn Bates will never die....so long as we remember THE penalty shot!
Moss and BMW
would be a nightmare for the opposing corners. Two big receivers with good hands.
This team has been so boom or bust this year...
…that you have to claim him. He doesn’t mortgage anything, and the whole “black eye” for Pete Carroll is, to me, irrelevant. He has a lot capital right now, I say he use it.
Some team that's desperate and crazy, and high-priority on the waiver wire, will grab him
Translation: hello, Jerry Jones.
by Suburban Shocker on Nov 1, 2010 4:06 PM PDT reply actions
They are pretty set at the position, though, and frankly it's a very fragile and highly volatile situation. I'd be shocked if the Cowboys took him.
Yeah, I was kind of being facetious
But then I come back to those words I used: “desperate and crazy.” I wouldn’t be completely surprised if they went for it.
by Suburban Shocker on Nov 1, 2010 4:23 PM PDT up reply actions
Moss definitely wouldn't make this offense any worse.
I would rather have a healthy O-line than Moss but since that isn’t really an option I’ll definitely take Moss and the potential of picking up a draft pick over what we’ve got now.
At the moment the Vikings still haven't released Moss
I think they might be fielding trade inquiries, so hold your horses.
Trade deadline has passed
They are deciding right now whether to chop off the head (Chilly) or the arm (Moss).
Easy.
As long as Moss gets the ball, he will be happy. Bates likes to throw deep, and Moss can overcome bad passes and snatch the ball away from defenders.
Also, as a #2, BMW will be an even bigger mismatch.
That being said, I doubt we have the waiver priority to get him.
Biggest Con
Matt Hasselbeck.
If Seattle was 4-3 under Charlie Whitehurst I’d say yes in a heartbeat.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
Hasselbeck couldn't throw well enough for TJ "Suddenly Seattle Slow" Houshmandzadeh.
I doubt he’d live up to Moss’s standards.
I do agree with that.
I can easily envision him not being satisfied with Hasselbeck. I just challenge the notion that Moss would not make a difference or would be mired in ineffectiveness like in Oakland because of Hasselbeck’s arm.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2010 11:47 AM PDT up reply actions
I can also throw to him, it doesn't mean I'll be accurate.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
I agree.
How many times have we brought in big-time free agent WRs only to have Matt struggle getting them the ball?
mmm... I'd pass
We really don’t need his distraction… I’d also deeply discount the ability to franchise him after the season. Two pretty respective franchises in the last 3 weeks have decided he’s not worth their trouble, and I’m pretty sure there are better, younger players that we’d rather put the tag on.
The best comp pick we could get is a 5th.
That’s the max for a 10 year vet.
Source
From AdamJT13…
Because of a rule that had never been revealed until after last year’s comp picks were awarded, the Pittsburgh Steelers got only a fifth-round comp pick for Alan Faneca, even though he signed for $7.8 million per season, played more than 98 percent of the Jets’ offensive snaps and made the Pro Bowl. A rule stipulates that a team cannot receive more than a fifth-round comp pick for a player with 10 or more seasons of NFL experience. After the rule was revealed, I found several times in previous seasons when it had been invoked.
I think then Schneider loves this deal
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
Actually, I think it's great.
Seriously.
I didn’t know about the rule before now, but I like it.
A) You’ve already had the player for 10 years— you don’t deserve that pick for the player after you’ve already gotten that much out of him. (And if you get him in trade, then Caveat emptor.)
B) Unlike the ridiculousness of the rookies getting paid front loaded contracts that instantly make their unproven asses the highest paid players in the league, this benefits the vets. It makes it more likely they find a job with a new team, as the team is unafraid of being forced to pay too high a price for the vet when you factor both salary AND future value of a lost high round draft pick.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 1, 2010 9:01 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
But YOUR team doesn't necessarily have him for 10 years. Maybe it should be a 10-and-5 thing.
You get a 3rd-4th if he’s been in the league 10 years, but with your team less than 5 years, and it’s a 5th if you’ve had that player for 5 years?
by BrettJMiller on Nov 2, 2010 11:32 AM PDT up reply actions
In which case you've invested less and risked less
When you sign a free agent, you don’t invest a draft pick, you aren’t investing time for his development, and you aren’t taking the same level of risk (if a guy’s been in the league for five years, you ought to know what you’re getting).
Caveat: You might be in the position of having invested a draft pick, though. Hmm… on the one hand, it’s better if teams & players have some good mobility options (in case a player is a bad fit, or a team is just overloaded at his position); but on the other hand, GMs shouldn’t be rewarded for spending too much on trades.
A “higher pick” trigger like you suggested, as a measure of risk & investment, seems almost backwards. It’s a deterrent against signing veteran free agents to 5+ year deals.
My solution: There should be one compensatory scale which applies only to a team that had the rights to a player when he achieved UFA status. Because in those cases, you will have invested a draft pick (either directly or via trade), developmental time, and probably some risk.
There should be a second scale, with less compensation, that applies to younger players who acquired UFA status by being released instead of by accruing years. This would cover players like Justin Forsett, allowing the Seahawks some compensation if he left in free agency at about the time that he would have achieved UFA status by accrual.
Finally, a third scale should apply to veterans who were signed to a contract after the exclusive rights expired (either as a UFA or a under a franchise/transition tag). The compensation should be minimal, and it should be inserted into the draft schedule and not taken away from the team that signs the veteran. Like whiskey chainsaw said, that system makes it harder for mediocre veterans to find work.
Take him.
The last thing we need from this ailing offense is a playmaker. He’s virtually cost nothing, and if he becomes a distraction we can release him with minimal loss. If he ends up playing well, than we might have one of the best 1-2’s with Mike Williams and him. Add to the fact that we are low in depth and our receivers did not do well at all against Oakland, I’m all for getting him.
I am the master of my fate; I am the captain of my soul - Invictus
I say take him
Though not really publicized, I think Carrol has shown that he’s willing to put players on the inactive list for games that don’t perform in practice or up to his standards. Golden Tate, for one.
I don’t know much about Moss’s precision route running, but he still has dangerous speed. He might make for a good screen option for Hasselbeck, or more conventionally if CW takes the field. He comes with no strings attached, no long-term committments, and a relatively cheap salary. I don’t think Seattle is really hurting for receivers, but one more can never hurt. Teamed up with Williams, he can give Seattle a real one-two punch, though again, this relies on having a QB that can take advantage of Moss’s speed and range. Branch and Housh didn’t magically become slower or more inept when they came to Seattle, but it sure seemed that way. I worry that for all the benefits, Moss will become another face in the crowd.
But if nothing else, we can hold onto him on the inactive list or in a slot position where he can’t really hurt anything. Tossing him after the season nets us a comp pick, while trading him will likely get us something similar. Though I have to wonder, if Seattle claims him off waivers where half the teams have already passed picking him up for free, does he still have value as trade bait? After paying what we did for Lynch out of next year’s choices, I’m all for restocking our draft lineup, but I think a 4th-round pick might be generous once the offseason rolls around.
In any power struggle between Moss and PC, Moss will lose. Worse case scenario is that he comes in, underperforms, starts talking smack about Hasselbeck’s arm or O line support, and gets the boot within 3-4 weeks, in which case we’re out his pro-rated salary and the goodwill of however many fans bought Seahawks Moss jerseys. Best-case is that he performs decently through the rest of the season, keeps his muzzle on, and looks to get traded with decent value in the offseason. I can’t really see a scenario where we try to hold onto him long term, or longer than a year-to-year basis. Once we fall into that trap, when his demons rear their ugly heads, then we become forced to part ways while liable for guaranteed money and watch as Moss, Branch-like, signs elsewhere for the league minimum and we end up subsidizing some other team’s new WR.
If we pick up Moss
Carroll would have to bench Hasselbeck in favor of Clipboard Jesus ( is that what we’re calling him? I keep hearing Black Label Society singing Doomsday Jesus in my head, but its Clipboard Jesus… “Clipboard Jesus we need you now”).
I just watched a montage of CW at Clemson and he could definitely throw the deep ball. However, he might come out like a 49er QB and set records in suck. I’m not a fan of the messiah way of football, but I think Moss might give CW what he needs to be successful. But chances are good that starting CW would just result in another variety of suck.
See what we have in him.
But I’m willing to wait until after the Giants game. Matt might get obliterated enough to force the change, even through no fault of his own.
Giants D-line: Bull. Seahawks O-line: China Shop.
Hasselbeck: Thin China.
Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn
by Misfit74 on Nov 1, 2010 11:42 PM PDT up reply actions 1 recs
We need Randy Moss (I think)...
I think the seahawks should just do whatever he wants as long as he (Moss) plays and doesn’t get suspended…including:
*paying any fines for him not to talk to the press.
*providing only the best psychiatrist and medications at team expense….
*providing role model of his choice to give him verbal and physical hugs when he needs them. I know we can’t hire Bill Belecheck, but maybe we can get his brother, cousin or former roomates to help him out.
Remember how people thought that Milton Bradley would be a clubhouse problem
when the Mariners acquired him? He didn’t turn out that bad.
Can we sign Griffey for veteranosity?
And to tickle Matt?
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
I know this site is mainly for objectivity and football analysis. However, Moss is a certified dick and I don't want him on my favorite team.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AgJuJeClKWwlP.kyzSI6Ngo5nYcB?slug=ms-mossbehavior110210
The one bad thing about sports is it allows people like Randy Moss to exist without the repercussions for otherwise unacceptable behavior. My guess it that his boasting of “having money” will be short lived.
Okay.... I'm in.
Not that I have any reason to disbelieve Michael Silver
But I don’t necessarily have any reason to believe him either. Why didn’t we ever hear of this behavior in NE? Are they just smarter (as an organization) than the Vikings for not letting this slip out? Or is it fabrication?
I’m just not ready to immediately believe all of the stories that will come out giving the Vikings an out for trading away a 3rd rounder and then waiving him a month later. That just reeks of a franchise trying their hardest to save face.
Sounds like a perfect fit....
last year.
/Dirtbag era.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 2, 2010 11:19 AM PDT up reply actions
You raise a good question. I don't know, but I have one thought.
It’s rather hard to be the alpha dog around Tom Brady. Kind of hard to establish independence under Bill Belichick. Yet Hattiesburg has seen first hand who wears the pants in the Childress-Favre marriage. This is oversimplification, but just to get the point across, that organizational and peer culture can affect this kind of stuff. I think it’s clear Moss did not want to leave New England. This is who Moss is, but that doesn’t mean it’s chronically persistent.
by jacobstevens on Nov 2, 2010 11:58 AM PDT up reply actions
As a side note...
I read that Percy Harvin was very upset at the Vikings for letting Moss go. Apparently he was mentoring Harvin.
We have two young, talented WRs. They certainly could use mentoring.
I say bring Moss in.
Hmm.
How much mentoring could he possibly have done in a week?!?
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 2, 2010 11:14 AM PDT up reply actions
Shit... time flies. I thought he had only been there 2 weeks, I went hyperbolic with 1, and it was actually 4.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 2, 2010 11:18 AM PDT up reply actions
The wrong kind of mentoring, according to the rumors.
Apparently there was concern that he was a negative influence on the impressionable young Mr. Harvin.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
Well, as long as we can get "sex boat" era Moss, I say yes.
Lake Union needs some action.
by hazbro24 on Nov 2, 2010 11:10 AM PDT reply actions 2 recs
Thinking like a GM, I can't think of an argument strong enough to NOT take him.
But, somehow, it’s an idea that doesn’t really excite me.
Covets: Mark Ingram, Marcell Dareus, Prince Amukamara, Rodney Hudson, and Owen Marecic.
I'd take him, just to make sure that that the Ram's don't get him.
Although, I understand that the Rams would have the option of signing him before us anyways, so it’s a moot point.
The rams have a worse record than us.
They could take him to make sure we couldn’t get him, but not the other way around.

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