One Pass Attempt with Charlie Whitehurst
Charlie Whitehurst attempted 23 passes and two were intercepted. Both intercepted passes targeted Mike Williams. One, after careful inspection, is almost entirely Williams' fault. The other is ambiguous.
It's striking how much those two passes shape Whitehurst's final stat line. Using the Pro Football Reference standard of adjusted net yards per attempt, which awards 20 yards for a touchdown instead of the 10 I usually use, the outcome of those two attempts changes Whitehurst's final ANY/A from 7.9 if the passes are completed, which is spectacular, to 1.9 with the interceptions intact, which, I don't need to tell you, is very poor.
I am not so much excusing Whitehurst as pointing out how insufficient a sample one game provides. Especially since Whitehurst's failures were so concentrated. It's such a small sample, in fact, changing those two interceptions into receptions pushes Whitehurst's completion percentage over 60%!
I was very critical of Whitehurst after the Seahawks traded for him. I am not, for a lack of a better way to put it, a Whitehurst "apologist", but the argument for Whitehurst getting another start is not simply that Matt Hasselbeck has struggled for years, it is rather that Whitehurst did not show enough one way or another on Sunday to truly determine anything. Our perception of Whitehurst hangs on two plays and an outcome.
We start with the first of Whitehurst's two interceptions. There are few absolutes in football, but I think it's very clear that this interception is mostly bad luck with a big assist from Williams.
2-16-NYG 17 (15:00) 6-C.Whitehurst pass deep middle intended for 17-M.Williams INTERCEPTED by 24-T.Thomas at NYG -1. 24-T.Thomas to NYG 27 for 28 yards (11-D.Butler).
Seattle is set: WR (left/right), TE (left/right), Rb
Giants: 4-3
Whitehurst stumbles out of his backpedal. Seattle retains seven blockers and Whitehurst is unhurried. He sees Williams breaking in front of Terrell Thomas, waits just a split second, and fires. The pass hits Williams in the hands, but Thomas is on his back and reaching around and possibly interfering with the reception. It's not clear at first, but later in the broadcast, Fox shows us some quality camera angles. The interception looks like this.
At this point, it looks like Williams is about to secure the football. Thomas has his arm between Williams' two arms but does not poke the football free.
We begin to see the pass slide through his left hand.
Here's that matchup isolated and larger so you can see the two important details.
Notice Thomas's left arm is under Williams' left arm, perhaps influencing the reception but not in a way Williams shouldn't be able to fight through. Notice Williams' right hand is no longer gripping the football but making a semi-fist. Finally, we get the payoff.
Williams right arm slaps the ball up, it tumbles over his helmet, Thomas throws Williams aside and dives for the interception.
This is tight coverage. Part of that is Seattle keeps in seven blockers. Part of that is interception rates skyrocket as win probability approaches zero and defenses are emboldened to "put it away." And Whitehurst's timing isn't perfect-perfect, but it's more than good enough. Whitehurst's pass produces that first and second picture, but Thomas's coverage and Williams' continued struggles securing a pass in traffic cause a bobble and then an interception.
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When will we hear on starting QB?
I know Hasselbeck has been practicing but I read that they were going to the assessment of whether or not he can play today. I assume he will check out fine, but I’m still being optimistic that they fudge the injury a bit and call it playing it safe, or something.
I know you can't quite see it in those photos
but isn’t it possible there was a third arm on the grassy stain on Thomas’s knee? I believe that it was in fact reaching for Williams’s balls and got there just a split second before the ball did, knocking it back and to the left. Back, and to the left.
by B.B.Finnegan on Nov 10, 2010 1:56 PM PST reply actions 3 recs
Because Williams had Webster (I think Webster) beat
But Whitehurst threw to the inside of Williams and not outside. It was a poor pass.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
I mean that as a question, not as a gripe against the officiating
I thought that the defender typically doesn’t get away with wrapping the arm around the receiver’s body like that,
I think he does provided that arm isn't used to turn him.
Defender has the right to the ball, too.
Block for Charlie Whitehurst. Everyone.
I hate PI so much because it's so ambiguous and arbitrary and other bad words that start with A.
But I think it’s the timing. If Thomas did the exact same thing a split second later, it’s PI. But since he did that exactly as the ball got there and his jersey number is not 23 with “Trufant” over the top, it’s legitimate pass defending.
by jacobstevens on Nov 10, 2010 2:54 PM PST up reply actions
Like how you put the Trufant comment in there.
It does seem like he now has a rep for PI, hence it gets called more on him than it should, meanwhile back in metropolis the rep is for a great D, hence they get away with even more.
Drives me nuts.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 10, 2010 3:17 PM PST up reply actions
I haven't really noticed it this year, but the past few years, the Packers were getting away with highway robbery.
And the biggest factor definitely seemed to stem from their reputation as aggressive, press & man cover, unique in the league. The fact that they led the league in PI calls, and even by a substantial margin, didn’t fully mitigate what they got away with. I actually love that kind of football, I wish the rules or emphasis of rules would allow it, but I hated the Packers so much because of what they got away with that nobody else did.
by jacobstevens on Nov 10, 2010 3:26 PM PST up reply actions
It was more like half a game.
I think our O had the ball slightly more than one quarter of the game. Part of that was the offense’s inability to sustain drives, but an even bigger part was our defense’s inability to get stops.
We are all probably overanalyzing this. 2011 is gonna be a good QB draft and we are gonna take one high. I think the FO knows enough about Whitehurst from seeing him every day for the last several months. I’d like him to become an asset, but it won’t matter much.
That's a big assumption, that "2011 is gonna be a good QB draft."
I remember leading up to the 1999 Draft how great a QB draft it was, the best since the famed 1983 Draft.
Four first round QB’s, including 1st 2nd and 3rd picks, but also great value upside QB’s in the mid rounds like Brock Huard and Aaron Brooks! Yeah. Eww.
1.1 Tim Couch
1.2 Donovan McNabb
1.3 Akili Smith
1.12 Cade McNown
2.50 Shaun King
3.77 Brock Huard
4.101 Joe Germaine
5.131 Aaron Brooks
(A couple more went later, but they were irrelevant.)
It’s only a “good QB draft” going into the draft based on assumption. We just don’t know about the future NFL performance of these talented college guys. We never do.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 10, 2010 3:27 PM PST up reply actions
Thus, draft randomly.
Pick numbers out of a hat.
And I would say the weird split of the QB class that kinda spread out across 2009 & 2010 were expected to be god drafts.
2011 maybe was expected to be good during the spring, but right now looks kinda crappy. Really crappy.
But while we don’t know how good a draft class will turn out, I would make a distinction between “gonna be good,” and “deep with talent.” It made sense then and now, to remark on the depth of the 1999 QB draft class. Just happened to largely not work out. And maybe the sheer numbers increased the stock of each individual prospect artificially.
But yeah, this year’s? Blech. Of course I say that recognizing that it could be enriched by underclassmen a good deal, but that’s unknown at this point.
by jacobstevens on Nov 10, 2010 4:08 PM PST up reply actions
I just want to see more of what we have in Whitehurst over the 2nd half of the season, more than anything else, no matter what.
I understand and can support the coach going with Hasselbeck because we’re in the thick of the division race. Regardless of reasons why or quality of play or prspects of winning a playoff game, that is justification enough for me for him to keep starting healthy Hasselbeck.
I just know from the quality of our play that a dvision title is less important to me than learning what we have in Whitehurst. I will root for us to keep winning, and root for Hasselbeck to be healthy and play and play well, even. Can’t stop rooting. But what I want more than anything, is for Whitehurst to get a half a season of full games in under his belt and see if we can go BPA in the draft and not reach for a QB.
I think if we drop the next two or three games and the Rams pick up the lead in the division is when we will see Charlie the unicorn play some more
"Tell my tale to those who ask. Tell it truly, the ill deeds along with the good and let me be judged accordingly. The rest is silence." ~ Dinobot
by beastwarking on Nov 10, 2010 3:35 PM PST up reply actions
My nightmare scenario is looking more and more real...
We ride Hasselbeck the rest of the way to mediocrity, missing the playoffs by one game, and never getting a true look at Charlie.
We then spend a high pick (likely our first rounder, maybe even trade up using extra resources to get whoever PC has lusted for.)
Hasselbeck retires, and becomes the best color guy in the business not named Collinsworth. Charlie is named opening day starter, the classic “temporary starter until the kid is ready to play” scenario. Now we finally get to see, for more than a single game, what kind of player Charlie can become.
And the results are good. Charlie goes out and performes surprisingly well. So well in fact, that we hold off on playing the youngster, and we resign Charlie to a longer contract. Now we have yet another first round pick who isn’t contributing on the field to our team getting better, and we have the makings of a quarterback controversy. And we still have a sorry ass offensive line, limiting our overall offensive potential, and continuing to mire us in mediocrity, if a slightly more potent version of mediocrity.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 10, 2010 3:37 PM PST reply actions
So having a starting caliber quarterback and a promising young backup is a nightmare scenario for you?
Ewww.
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 10, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
The wasted utilization of resources...
Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.
by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 10, 2010 4:25 PM PST up reply actions
The blown up picture of Williams and Thomas is really helpful.
When I saw the play happen and then on subsequent replays I mistook part of the white letter on the sign at the opposite endzone as Thomas’s white glove. It looked like he might have popped that ball up to himself. Wish that was the case, I’d rather applaud Thomas than have had BMW screw up.

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