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Seahawks 36 - Cardinals 18

Good to see the Seahawks punch their own weight. Much more enjoyable.

Not to discount the outcome or the rest of the game, but my enjoyment peaked watching Matt Hasselbeck step up and through a collapsing pocket, reset and find Deon Butler clearing triple coverage on a deep cross 40 yards down field. Butler then looped back and around Paris Lennon and Kerry Rhodes and outran Adrian Wilson for a touchdown. That's good football. That plays anywhere.

Hasselbeck was automatic through the first half. Not every pass was a heaven-sent spiral, but he made his reads and delivered and delivered down field. Good to see him succeed. Good to see him return in the second half. It doesn't decide anything or prove anything but fixating on the future cheapens fun. This was fun. This was fun football and no one had a better day than Matt Hasselbeck. I hope he keeps it up. It could mean the world.

Seattle beat a bad team on the road. That is the long and short of it. This wasn't a for sure outcome by any stretch. The Seahawks fell behind early. The Seahawks defense didn't do a particularly fantastic job of putting it away late. But while this win doesn't change Seattle's league-wide status, it does feel good.

For a day, we can be pretty happy that the Seahawks are probably better than Arizona, Carolina and Buffalo. The Seahawks are a step above the worst. That wasn't true last season and it wasn't true in Mike Holmgren's final season. It was barely true in 2006, and that depends on your definition.

It's nice to hand out real game balls again, and not ceremonial game balls.

Matt Hasselbeck

Jeremy Bates decided the Cardinals could be attacked deep, and Seattle did. But plan and execution are unequal partners. Plan is the territory of dime story geniuses. Execution is everything. Hasselbeck worked Bates plan to near perfection. He kept his cool under pressure and fired down field, and fired down field accurately. It wasn't fireworks. But it did win the game.

Chris Clemons

Aaron Curry had a couple nice plays. He should be lauded. Hopefullly, a day like today is just a stepping stone towards Curry reaching his potential. He deserves recognition, but Clemons deserves the game ball.

His speed around the edge is upper-tier. Whoever saw that tool, saw that it was underutilized in Philadelphia -- where Clemons often stood in a "joker" position and played quite a bit off of strong side -- deserves praise. Clemons is a decent linebacker-like run stopper, but the edge rush is his defining quality. As a Leo end he's really been a find.

When this season started and even after a few games and a few big showings from Clemons, we considered him a placeholder, but though Seattle needs to add to its Leo position, needs young talent, a future, Clemons should be re-signed. He has had his best year of his career. Clemons is not putting up empty numbers or accomplishing pressure through exotic packages or terrifically blown blocks. He is playing a quality right defensive end. Free agents are paid mega millions to fill that need.

The NFL is not the league of parity, however much the NFL loves to enforce that idea. It has tiers. Seattle was not a fundamentally different team this week than last. It just faced a much different quality of opponent. Last week didn't doom this team. This week does not influence how it will play next week. Nothing definitive happened today.

Strike that. The Seahawks won. The Seahawks reclaimed first place in the division. The Seahawks won, definitively.

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 14, 2010 5:26 PM PST reply actions  

Curry should get credit for taking on multiple roles on top of his plays.

He’s lines up everywhere in the front 7. He’s gotten to be pretty fun to watch.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 14, 2010 5:33 PM PST reply actions  

Sure seemed like he played the "Nose" a lot

(I’m a bad football fan and don’t know my # techs but he played between the tackles/ends with his hand in the ground a lot)

by SgtSasquatch on Nov 14, 2010 5:34 PM PST up reply actions  

That's what Ive been saying!

Curry has been all over the field making plays.

by KidDanger on Nov 15, 2010 7:40 AM PST up reply actions  

Hah!

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 14, 2010 6:43 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I loved Bates' gameplanning, and it's something I plan to touch on in my video this week.

Red zone issues aside, his playcalling has been nothing short of refreshing.

Curry was awesome, Clemons was awesome. A great day all around.

Is that the light at the end of the tunnel, or the headlights of an oncoming train?

by Benne on Nov 14, 2010 5:43 PM PST reply actions  

I think the Hawks were much different today.

Polumbus back, and Mebane back. Huge impact. Moves Lock over to the can’t ruin the game side on offense, and Mebane demanding two blockers….and the pass rush is back.

If Okung is back next game, we’re a legit team again.

by hazbro24 on Nov 14, 2010 5:44 PM PST reply actions  

I agree...

Every team suffers injuries, and this team does not have great depth to survive key injuries.

But, having said that, our injuries could not get more “key” than Okung and Mebane. With those two playing at full strength, this is a much better team. Without them, we are in the “high-20s” of the NFL. With them both, we rank closer to the middle … and in this division, 16th best in the league is first best in the division.

by nucleard on Nov 14, 2010 7:47 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

We can survive some injuries

It’s true that some teams have “better” depth, but the quality is a position-by-position thing. Moreover, there are special players like Mebane whose contributions have a dramatic cascade effect on other players, and who cannot be replaced even by starter-caliber talent. It’s not always obvious who those players are until they get hurt.

Look at how well the Steelers fared without Roethlisberger. He’s not such a key player, even though he’s their quarterback. But through fourteen games of 2009, Troy Polamalu was revealed to be just such a key. Pittsburgh was 4-1, allowing 13.8 ppg with Polamalu in the lineup. Without Polamalu, they allwed 23.4 ppg and went 3-6.

Seattle’s offensive line was already missing Ben Hamilton, Ray Willis, and Max Unger (all on IR). We have depth to cover that, but taking out both Polumbus and Okung was just too much. Even getting Polumbus back was adequate against the Cardinals.

Leroy Hill never showed up at all, but David Hawthorne is good linebacker depth, and we haven’t suffered there. Our depth at Cornerback is decent, or maybe even good, if you consider that there’s not much drop-off compared to the starters.

We played the Giants without Colin Cole, Red Bryant, or Brandon Mebane. That proved too great a loss. But just getting Mebane back against the Cardinals, even without Bryant and Cole, made the defensive front adequate.

So, yeah… I agree with everything you said. Only, I think you might be selling short the depth the Seahawks do have.

by Jason_D on Nov 15, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

Polumbus

Seriously, we had an O line. They didn’t run block great, but they sure did pass block. I loved it.
I am convinced that our success this year rests on the O line continuing to get healthier and better.

by stufr on Nov 14, 2010 5:44 PM PST reply actions  

Oops...

That was meant to be in response to the comment on Hass’s deep ball below.

But Polumbus played like a man, too.

by nucleard on Nov 14, 2010 7:49 PM PST up reply actions  

This

With Okung coming back next week we possibly have the best line to offer out there: Okung, Pitts, Spencer, Andrews and Polumbus

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by EequalsMc2 on Nov 14, 2010 8:39 PM PST up reply actions  

Whoa there.

Take it easy.

Why can't my higher than average expectations ever be met in the football world? Why?

by Cheddar28 on Nov 14, 2010 8:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he meant

our potential best line for our team, not within the NFL.

I would agree that Locklear isn’t the answer anymore and sliding Polumbus over might be smart for us long term.

The other thing I know fans won’t be happy about is the real thought this team could take a RT in the middle of the 2011 1st round draft. Shoring up both sides of our O-line would help quite a bit in making our offense better and be able to learn more on the run instead of hoping to cash in on a QB. I’m beginning to think a “game manager” is a better bet than getting a Peyton Manning to completely turn the team around.

As a side note, Indianapolis is going to be garbage again when he eventually retires.

by biju on Nov 14, 2010 9:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd actually prefer

Andrews at RT. His size and strength seem a better match there.

by Brandon8 on Nov 14, 2010 9:31 PM PST up reply actions  

plan

I think that’s the plan. Andrews doesn’t like guard, I think the plan was to move him to tackle but that was around the time unger got hurt, and also when we found out we couldn’t trade locklear for a bag of beans. My guess is locklear is gone, and andrews slides out to tackle, with unger at g or center + somone other than simms

by dt dt on Nov 14, 2010 9:58 PM PST up reply actions  

Where did Hass' deep ball come from!?

When was the last time you’ve seen him throw that deep and that lovely?

Like the strike to Baker and Butler? ….I can’t even remember last time he put a deep strike on target that well

I Bleed Blue and Green

by DSAhawker on Nov 14, 2010 5:46 PM PST reply actions  

And that one to Obomanu

If I’m remembering right. Right on the money, but a drop. Very nice throws from Hasselbeck today, hope he keeps it up. Waiting to see what we can do once Okung comes back in

by Lock_down on Nov 14, 2010 5:48 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh yes, yes

totally forgot about that….can’t believe Obo let that one drop

I Bleed Blue and Green

by DSAhawker on Nov 14, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

The pass to Baker

Was one of the prettiest passes I’ve seen him throw.

by vertigoman on Nov 14, 2010 5:53 PM PST up reply actions  

I feel bad for Lynch

he gets no help with the blocking…

Fights his ass off….just wish we could take advantage of it.

Plus quit running left on the goal line….every damn time….get get’s eaten alive

I Bleed Blue and Green

by DSAhawker on Nov 14, 2010 5:54 PM PST up reply actions  

would you rather

they ran at Andrews-Locklear…

Beam yourself up

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by jubelthebear on Nov 15, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

I'd rather they ran him more inside

or ran a pitch/flip or something. At a certain point the problem becomes predictability, not blocking.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 9:12 AM PST up reply actions  

I have seen that Lynch is far easier to bring down when he is running sidewise

(e.g. strung out on the edge). This is true of most power backs, though, not just Lynch. I think the solution is to get our line healthy, and to draft some strong linemen who can get their pads low and drive block. Unfortunately, I don’t have much faith in Unger to open many holes.

by IslandHawk on Nov 15, 2010 1:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I completely agree about north/south running

I just wonder how much the fact the D knows where the play is going to go in that situation hurts us.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 1:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Beast mode begets Priest Mode

JF looks like a different back in his new role. Dynamic. Hopefully when KingKung returns Lynch will have some holes for some crunchy football stuff.

by vertigoman on Nov 14, 2010 5:58 PM PST up reply actions  

I like seeing a running back punch the ground in frustration when he gets a 1 yard game

a good running game takes some grit – sometimes the back has to call out the o-line for not getting the job done.

Good bye Big Walt.

by Generzal Zod on Nov 15, 2010 5:46 AM PST up reply actions  

I may be the only one to say this, and many will grill me for this, but both Hass' long throws looked bad

The throw to Butler took forever, and wobbled, and was into triple coverage. Not repeatable. His long pass over the middle was only completed due to Adrian Wilson losing contain and getting caught looking into the backfield. Again the ball hung.

New Orleans will punish both throws.

I’m sure I’m an asshole for noting this, and perhaps I am terribly wrong. If I’m wrong, this team is headed for glory. If I’m right, next week will be over by half.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 14, 2010 5:48 PM PST reply actions  

I don't disagree completely

But only if you discribe them that way. The triple coverage was only technically triple coverage. None of them were in position to do anything about the play. It hung a little, but they still couldn’t get to it.
Overall it was good veteran reads and staying within himself. A good D wouldn’t have given him those oppourtunities, but good on him for taking what was given to him.

by stufr on Nov 14, 2010 5:52 PM PST up reply actions  

Remember the mantra for this season - good enough for now

Remember that this a team climbing from the sewers. I love Matt, but he isn’t the same guy and hasn’t been for a while. He isn’t the answer next year and I don’t see Carroll and Co. keeping him around. I like seeing him have some good games and especially games that are important in December. What makes me happy is that whoever starts next year has a good receiving corps and a o-line that is capable of keeping them upright, it is a good starting point for a rookie QB or someone new to a system.

Good bye Big Walt.

by Generzal Zod on Nov 15, 2010 5:51 AM PST up reply actions  

Good veteran reads and a legitimate running threat.

Causing the safeties and LBs to cheat up in the box. Opening up the creases that Hass took full advantage of. Billick pointed out that he’s never had a Pro Bowl receiver to throw to in his career, making a few himself. Pro Bowl selection being retarded in it’s process, but there you are.

by bleedshawkblue on Nov 15, 2010 12:09 PM PST up reply actions  

I disagree. The throw to Butler hung long enough for him to out run a linebacker and get under the ball.

It was triple coverage, but no one was in a position to make a play on the ball. The other one you mentioned he got hit while he was throwing, not much to be critical of there.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 14, 2010 5:55 PM PST up reply actions  

I've never "thised" or "thatd" anyone in my life...

but I feel compelled to “thisandthat” Nate on this occasion.

by iverson2169 on Nov 14, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not sure what you mean

I feel like Billick and “bang-bang”.

by biju on Nov 14, 2010 9:15 PM PST up reply actions  

this

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 14, 2010 10:06 PM PST up reply actions  

Are you kidding?

THe throw to Baker was a great toss. The throw to Butler was a little short it may have been Matt leading Butler back out of x3 coverage.

The Baker pass really? Matt has thrown some really bad balls this season. THat was not one of them.

by vertigoman on Nov 14, 2010 5:56 PM PST up reply actions  

You're not an asshole, and you're right.

But Matt’s deep balls have never been great and will only get worse. However, moving around in the pocket well and making the right read makes up for arm strength quite frequently.

He played a very good game, despite his limitations.

by djafrot on Nov 14, 2010 6:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Agree. I need to enjoy the moment. Was fun to watch for sure.

I just want something to sustainable to root for. Perhaps I want too much for the 27 year old Matt, with ten years of great to good enough play ahead of him.

Every great day with Matt feels like a day wasted on the future. Time to adjust my priorities I’m sure. Pretty miserable way to watch a semi-successful season :).

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 14, 2010 6:12 PM PST up reply actions  

A day wasted on the future, or a day wasted on the past?

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 14, 2010 6:46 PM PST up reply actions  

Well, Nisargadatta Maharaj would say neither. There is only now.

If that is true, then play to win. Nothing else matters. Especially my whining.

It is what it is...

by kidder95 on Nov 14, 2010 8:30 PM PST up reply actions  

not

CW is not the future, so point is moot

by dt dt on Nov 14, 2010 10:01 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh, I didn't realize you were prescient.

Do me a favor and give me something with betting odds on it, so I can utilize your skills to benefit my bank account?

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 8:52 AM PST up reply actions  

When a guy this far on the downside of his career can make plays like that, think of the upside.

And Clipboard Jesus looked a whole lot better than last week. When he can make reads like Matty did, he’ll play like Manning.

by bleedshawkblue on Nov 15, 2010 12:13 PM PST up reply actions  

THESE ARE MY SEAHAWKS.

That’s all I kept thinking…This is the team that beat the Bears, Chargers, and Niners. Talk about showing some soul and dominating out the gate.

BMFMW is turning into my favorite Hawk, and Lynch isn’t getting his fair share yet. Give #24 a DECENT line and he hits close to 100 yards a game.

Butler is an excellent threat, and Clemons is absolutely disruptive. Head of the NFC West, and once again looking like the team we know we are.

The Saints better bring it, because a healthy Seahawks (w/ Okung) will give them a game. We beat them, and this opens up a world of opportunity.

3-1 in the division BABY!!!

Ka-Kaaa!

by JerryNice on Nov 14, 2010 5:54 PM PST reply actions  

Give BeastMode a "Decent" line and he should rush for 150 a game.

He can get close to 100 with our “shitty” line if he gets around 20 touches.

OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!

by bmxnw on Nov 14, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

I'd say it was the team that beat the Bears.

I don’t recall the offense looking that good this consistently against either the Niners or the Chargers. In both cases, I seem to remember the offense stalling quite a bit.

The way the offense played today, if they could play that well consistently, I’d say we had a deep playoff run in us.

Next week’s game is the test, though. To see if this is was an occasional appearance, or if we’re going to go on a bit of a tear at the end of the season.

by splintrdmind on Nov 14, 2010 9:20 PM PST up reply actions  

"The way the offense played today, if they could play that well consistently, I’d say we had a deep playoff run in us."

Against one of the worst defenses in the league—

40% 3rd down conversion percentage
25% Red Zone efficiency
40% Goal to Go efficiency

Don’t get me wrong, I’m as happy as anyone we won, but those numbers absolutely HAVE to improve if this team is to make ANY playoff appearance, aside from that a deep playoff run.

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 8:56 AM PST up reply actions  

Good quote from Morgan

“…fixating on the future cheapens fun.”

I love the analytical content of this site, but sometimes it’s okay to just live in (and enjoy) the present. There were some fun moments in this game.

by TMann_2 on Nov 14, 2010 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

Tru or false

Tru has been getting beat deep left and right. Jennings was lined up on Fitz most of the time it seemed.

by vertigoman on Nov 14, 2010 6:03 PM PST reply actions  

I still say a lot of that is due to that damn 5-15yard cushion

That our DB’s start off with. Why the hell do we continue do use that stupid thing? Time and time again over the last few years we see it bite us in the ass …

The second the play starts the DB is having to make up ground….if it’s a short pass, he’s way off the ball and then having to bust his ass to get even there to make a play on it…or if it is a developing route, the second that WR makes a move or a cut, the DB then has to bust his ass again to make up that ground. Sure he’s not getting his ankles broken, but that doesn’t mean anything when you’re not even letting yourself get close enough to the WR to make a legit play to stop him

Drives me nuts

I Bleed Blue and Green

by DSAhawker on Nov 14, 2010 6:07 PM PST up reply actions  

agreed

especially since we traded wilson, who was better in this kind of coverage. they billed it as Jennings being better at bump and run, but that’s only true if you actually play on the receiver, and not 5-10 yrds off. with the speed of NO we will be in trouble with this kind of coverage

by dt dt on Nov 14, 2010 10:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't remember Tru being beat at all today.

With the exception of that first long pass, but I still thing Fitz was out of bounds.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 14, 2010 6:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I thought the same thing.

There was no fucking way that second foot got inbounds. Ah well.

Karma police, arrest this man.

by wyte_lightning on Nov 14, 2010 6:28 PM PST up reply actions  

He wasn't beat.

It was a great throw and catch and a beneficial call all balled into one play.

Any of those 3 things don’t work perfectly and he was great on that play.

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 14, 2010 6:48 PM PST up reply actions  

(The call, I think, was not going to be conclusive on overturn either way.)

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 14, 2010 6:49 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm just saying the replay was going to be inconclusive either way, and it was damn close.

I honestly thought he might have gotten the toe down, and might not have.

The horsecollar was TERRIBLE though.

Also, I wish the NFL went like college to a single foot down, but then did something to allow DB’s more contact/physicality. Too often we sit here debating a second foot, etc., a lot of that would be taken care of by simply going to a single foot.

"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 8:59 AM PST up reply actions  

beat by Breston

Deep and down the middle (heh).
And Jennings was on Fitz more than tru was I believe.
Hopefully it is the scheme. Drives me nuts

by vertigoman on Nov 15, 2010 12:45 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I understand this thinking completely, and I respectfully disagree

Truf is still in his peak, playing a position that by its nature, is seen more by the few, major shortcomings, than by the many small successes and good play.

When Truf did get beat, and it did happen, it was by Fitz, and he was on an island with no deep help for whatever reason (ET just goes where his body tells him, I guess. It works sometimes).

He also had some great, noticeable swats, brutal, well-timed muggings, helped on a few run-stops and basically was a key part to making Arizona’s day pretty lousy.

Wooooo!

by Anticitizen_One on Nov 14, 2010 6:16 PM PST up reply actions  

AZ had a miserable day

But I think that had more to do with Matt and Co.
Our weak coverage was masked by a good pass rush. Tru should be prime but he may also be hurt. Or hurt by scheme. Whatever thr case he’s getting targeted and subsequently beat more than his #1 CB status would suggest. Good corners reduce options. Bad corners create more. Maybe there is a fine line.
jennings is better in coverage at this point and played like it yesterday.

by vertigoman on Nov 15, 2010 12:53 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I am not sure what has been up with Tru

but he has definitely been targeted by opposing qbs over the last few weeks. NY abused him, and AZ definitely went at him. I do not know why, but maybe his age and various injuries have effected his ability as a man to man corner. We blitz a lot, and that means putting our corners on an island. I never really saw man to man as Tru’s best asset, I always preferred him being able to gamble on a ball with safety help over the top. His age and injuries definitely do not help his ability to cover the league’s best receivers one on one, but it certainly does not preclude him from that.

by Fightfightfight on Nov 14, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions  

This is the best thing I've seen John write in a while.

“Hasselbeck was automatic through the first half. Not every pass was a heaven-sent spiral, but he made his reads and delivered and delivered down field. Good to see him succeed. Good to see him return in the second half. It doesn’t decide anything or prove anything but fixating on the future cheapens fun. This was fun. This was fun football and no one had a better day than Matt Hasselbeck. I hope he keeps it up. It could mean the world.”

He’s right, it was fun. I don’t know exactly what he means by that last line, but it’s emotive and precise at the same time. Cool.

by djafrot on Nov 14, 2010 6:11 PM PST reply actions  

I think what John is tying to say is that when Matt plays good, we tend to win.

If we are playing in Janurary and Matt is playing good then we might be able to do some damage.

OOOOOH!!!!! That was NASTY!!!!!!!!

by bmxnw on Nov 14, 2010 8:11 PM PST up reply actions  

Hooray!

A Seahawk not named Mare made the featured performance highlight reels!

Beam yourself up

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by jubelthebear on Nov 14, 2010 6:42 PM PST reply actions  

One of my favorite things about the new coaching staff and front-office:

Vision. The Clemons story is a good one. I think just how successful he’s been is a credit to the FO and scheme (obviously). 4-3 edge-rushers are extremely rare – at least the elite few that can regularly get to the QB. This hybrid scheme allows a more common type of player to be that edge-rusher. Clemons has been a great fit. Someone like Lamar Woodley might also fit (FA in 2011). The point isn’t that we should go after Woodley as much as to say that there are very few ‘Julius Peppers’ type players to even have a chance to acquire and plug into a strict 43 defense. Our options are much wider with this scheme, which will help our options for future personnel and save us from a mega-million dollar investment in a top-3 DE like Peppers – if one were to come available. This could mean cap flexibility, as well. I really like the confusion and pass-rush we’ve shown with what we have to work with thus far. I think it can only get better, too.

...

by Misfit74 on Nov 14, 2010 7:17 PM PST reply actions  

Not sure what this is based on.

What about Tapp told you (or anyone paying for Clemons) that he was worth much more than Clemons? I do believe we got a draft pick out of that trade too.

Sure, Clemons is older, but at least he’s produced. Not saying that Tapp would never produce, but there wasn’t a whole lot of PROOF of production.

by djafrot on Nov 14, 2010 8:05 PM PST up reply actions  

Tapp had been more productive in fewer seasons than Clemons had coming into this season.

18 sacks for Tapp in 4 seasons, 19 sacks for Clemons in 5 seasons. And Tapp was younger. And Tapp was cheaper.

I’m not sure any of us could have reasonably expected Clemons to break out the way he has this season.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 14, 2010 8:10 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm not comparing Tapp and Clemons

I’m simply wondering if a player like Clemons, who seemingly had no place on the Eagles roster and hadn’t shown a whole lot despite five years in the league, could have been had for something like a mid-to-late round pick.

by BrianL on Nov 14, 2010 8:20 PM PST up reply actions  

I think he basically was, wasn't he?

What was Tapp worth? We gave up Wilson, also a medium-producing 2nd rounder, for a 5th. We got Clemons AND a late pick for Tapp.

I think. My brain is blocking out a lot of the offseason for some reason.

by djafrot on Nov 14, 2010 11:30 PM PST up reply actions  

So did anyone see Mebane

chestbump Andersen after the first Curry sack? He’s like “GTHO me!” Hilarious.

Why can't my higher than average expectations ever be met in the football world? Why?

by Cheddar28 on Nov 14, 2010 8:17 PM PST reply actions  

hahaha

me and the wife had to rewind it and watch it 3 times!! that was sweet…

by jerjaxon on Nov 14, 2010 9:23 PM PST up reply actions  

Anybody else thinks it's ridiculous...

how good BMW is? Some of the plays he makes, it’s just crazy to think he was out of football for 2 years. I absolutely love this guy. Humble, deflects praise onto his teammates. And to think, he’s only going to get better and more consistent. I see a #17 jersey in my future.

Gotta love our FO. They are willing to give anybody a chance, yet at the same time, cut no slack for anyone. I am very excited for PC and JS to have another couple drafts under their belts. We need to realize this team is still a long ways off, and that there will be some clunkers along the way, but games like today were just fun. And this is the first year in a few that I’ve actually enjoyed watching the Hawks.

by MTJ on Nov 14, 2010 8:28 PM PST reply actions  

I was very excited to see what Mike Williams might do for us

But didn’t make bold preseason predictions because he had been such a washout to that point. I got to watch those USC teams a lot, and BMW was the most dominant college receiver I’ve ever seen. We still haven’t seen him blow somebody up while blocking on an end-around or a cutback run into the 2nd level, but it’s coming.

To be fair though—and I am as stoked on our current regime as anybody—his acquisition wasn’t so much a brilliant move as it was a USC guy on his last chance landing in Carroll’s lap.

by lemonverbena on Nov 15, 2010 7:38 AM PST up reply actions  

MTJ, be careful on that jersey.

Make sure we resign him first. You don’t want a one-and-done jersey! :)

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 9:02 AM PST up reply actions  

To me the biggest thing was A. Curry.

I haven’t seen him produce like that his whole pro carrer.

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 14, 2010 8:29 PM PST reply actions  

Agreed.

Explosion, power, good use of hands, closing speed—he flat-out abused their OL at times. Even seemed to be in on more plays outside the rush, instead of his usual step or two late. It is crystal clear from a game like this that this guy has top-tier physical tools. They’ve been mostly lost in translation so far, but this game might be the one that really helps him and the staff figure out how he should be used at this point in his career. If we’re lucky, his skills will expand to include recognition, and plays in space. If not, he can still be valuable playing like this.

by Hawkdawg on Nov 14, 2010 11:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Who'da thunk it?

Week 17 matchup between the Seahawks and Rams could decide the division. Who the hell saw that coming?

by Steeeve on Nov 14, 2010 8:39 PM PST reply actions  

possible

but the Rams haven’t won a road game yet and only have 3 more home games.

by nated on Nov 14, 2010 9:01 PM PST up reply actions  

I'm FAR more concerned with SF coming from behind than the Rams battling with us.

I wish the Niners would have lost yesterday. They are a scary team from what I see.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 9:04 AM PST up reply actions  

IMO

The hole they’re in is too deep. There’s no way they only lose 2 games the rest of the season.

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by Cheddar28 on Nov 15, 2010 9:14 AM PST up reply actions  

They run the table in division, we've got some issues.

And unlike us, I think they can play with anybody, anywhere, anytime.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 1:04 PM PST up reply actions  

I don't think they run the table in the division, but they HAVE to if they want to have a shot.

Like Cheddar says, they can lose a MAX of 2 more games the rest of the season to have a shot. We’re in week 10 and they’ve won 3 total.

They have games @GB, @SD, and @STL. They need to win at least 1 of those. They they need to beat TB at home, AZ twice, and Seattle at home.

Extremely unlikely, especially considering they are using their 3rd string quarterback.

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by HititHere on Nov 15, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

My thoughts exactly.

This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.

by Cheddar28 on Nov 15, 2010 2:51 PM PST up reply actions  

You think the fact that they are using their 3rd string quarterback is a negative.

I’m of the opinion it is a positive, given how bad the other two were. They crushed the Rams, but had three TD’s negated on calls (my SF buddy says questionable calls, but I didn’t see them.)

And it’s week 9 as far as record is concerned, they are 3-6, two games behind us. (Week 10 makes their record sound like 3-7 as opposed to 3-6.)

I could easily see 5-1, for a 8-8 record, 5-1 in division.

TB W
@AZ W
@GB L
Sea W
@SD W
@StL W
AZ W

Compare that with us, and I’ll go on possible here (obviously I want us to run the table, but let’s be grounded not in worst case nor wildly optimistic here.

@NO L
KC W
Car W
@SF L
Atl L
@TB L
StL W

3-3, 8-8 overall, and 4-2 in division. Niners get us with a split and better in division record.

The three swing games are, in my mind, the Niners @SD and us @TB, and a quality Falcon team coming to Qwest. Atl should beat us on a neutral field, but it is Qwest, which levels the playing field. I’m going with Atl there, just to show the fear factor toward the end of the year.

Bottom line, whoever pulls the win away from home, if they do what they should do the rest of the way, will hold the advantage.

Also, of course, the game @SF is monstrous.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 3:12 PM PST up reply actions  

I think you're being overly pessimistic.

Yes, if you take a possible scenario from the Hawks ( 3 – 4 ) and the virtual BEST case scenario from SF (5 – 1) they’ll take it.

SF NEEDS to beat Seattle in SF, otherwise Seattle owns the tiebreaker.

SF is 2 games behind in divisional record and NEEDS to make that up (with only 4 divisional games left) to own the tiebreaker.

That said, I’m fairly sure that no team has made the playoffs after starting 0 – 5. SF has a decidedly uphill climb, and the odds are heavily against them.

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by HititHere on Nov 15, 2010 3:32 PM PST up reply actions  

What has our team done to prove to you that we can win ON THE ROAD against the defending SB champs?

When did we last sweep SF? When we did, we were significantly the better team. That is no longer the case now, and let’s just say I’ve been less than impressed with our performance in the Bay Area as of late— and what’s more, the Niners may be a better overall team than the Raiders.

And TB is a young team that is playing tough, on the east coast. When was the last time we won an East Coast game? Look it up and get back to me on that one.

I don’t think 3-4 is at all unreasonable to expect from our team right now. It would pretty much run to par with what we’ve done this season so far. And again, I really don’t think 6-1 is unreasonable for the Niners down the stretch given their schedule and how they’ve tightened things up.

Before the season when I looked at both teams, I hoped we’d have a solid lead at this point, because I saw their schedule as easier down the stretch, and I think that’s exactly where it stands— the question is, is our lead enough?

And remember, they haven’t played the number of in division games we have, so they still have the opportunity to catch up in that regard. They aren’t 4 games behind in any way other than that they haven’t played the games yet. They’re 1-1 with a loss AT Seattle. That’s not to be unexpected. We’re 3-1. They can still catch us (and pass us) by running the table in Division, a very doable thing considering they get a rematch AT SF instead of at Seattle.

Looking at the Niners schedule, what other game do you see them losing realistically where you would put money on it? And to be honest, I wouldn’t be surprised if they win a knock down drag it out affair with Green Bay. They have the physicality to do so.

This division race is going to be a war, and if we can get to 9-7, I think we win it. If we’re 8-8, we lose, to the Niners. That’s what I see happening.

Of course SF NEEDS to beat Seattle. But mark my words, for us to win the division, we NEED to beat them as well. And if we lose that game, we will likely lose the first most signficant tie breaker. I couldn’t believe people were rooting for the Niners yesterday instead of the Lambs. The Lambs are a year away at best. The Niners are poised to enter the playoffs on a hot streak, scorching through the league in order to do so.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 4:17 PM PST up reply actions  

I just think you give the 49ers too much credit.

We don’t need to win at TB. We have to win 3 or 4 more games.

SF, on the other hand, needs to approach perfection over the last half of the season. Yes, they might have an easy schedule, but this is a team that was in shambles, 0 – 5, with no legit starting QB a few weeks ago.

Yes, it’s possible SF wins, but you’re talking as if Seattle is the 3 – 6 team, and San Fran is the 5 – 4 one.

I don’t think there’s a lead with which you would be comfortable. 9 – 0, and you’d be talking about how SF was still statistically in the race.

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by HititHere on Nov 15, 2010 4:39 PM PST up reply actions  

I think if this team was 9-0

People would be more comfortable. We have had an offense that has stalled fairly regularly this season, and suffered a few blowout losses. 9-0 would suggest, to me at least, that the team was playing far better football than it necessarily has.

I think the Niners will make a push for it at the end, although I don’t think they’re well coached enough for it to matter. I can see the Rams being more dangerous, myself.

by splintrdmind on Nov 15, 2010 9:09 PM PST up reply actions  

No, I wouldn't think SF would still be in the race if we were 9-0.

But thanks for the hyperbole there.

You seem to think that San Fran can’t approach perfection the last half of the season. Take a look at their team, and their schedule. It is very possible they run the table, @GB excepted.

As far as “in shambles” you are being very selective there. Yes, they were 0-5, but the only game they got flat whooped in was ours in the season opener. They lost @ Atlanta, to NO and Philly by a total of 8 points (and what do you think our spread will be against just NO and Atl?).

Those are some of the better teams in the league, and they’ve shown they can play with anybody. We, quite honestly, haven’t yet. What’s more, I’m not sure that we will, unless we can get incredibly healthy on the front lines, and considering how many OL/DL we have on IR, that isn’t likely.

And no, I am NOT talking as if Seattle is the 3-6 team and San Fran the 5-4 one. If that was the case, our season would already be over. We wouldn’t and couldn’t run them down from behind.

Once again, our lead is such that it is not insurmountable by the Niners, who are dangerous, and playing some very good football now. We get 4 more wins, the point is moot. But if we don’t, and we end up 8-8, I predict they get us in the tie breaker.

That’s all I’m saying.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 16, 2010 8:48 AM PST up reply actions  

They lost to Carolina. They have been playing "good" football, arguably, but definitely not perfect football.

I absolutely do not think they can run the table for the rest of the season.

Agree to disagree, then.

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by HititHere on Nov 16, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

Fair enough.

And the loss to Carolina is inexcusable. But there are those games every year in the NFL.

And of course, I don’t think they’ll go 6-0, and I’ll be the first to celebrate when they lose 2 more. :)

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 16, 2010 12:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I think that was something that had been mentioned on the site a few weeks back.

After the Bears game, maybe. The Rams are a pretty good team, and I think with a little more coaching, and learning to put games away on the road, they could be pretty damn dangerous.

by splintrdmind on Nov 14, 2010 9:24 PM PST up reply actions  

Yeah, I was thinking that a long time ago.

Mostly because the Rams started OK and the Cards and 49ers started pretty bad.

by djafrot on Nov 14, 2010 11:31 PM PST up reply actions  

Definitely a fun game to watch.

I can’t remember the last time Hasselbeck completed so many downfield passes, and man is that the kind of football I get excited about. Hope he keeps it up.

Seems like a big part of Hasselbeck’s success today was time in the pocket — I’d like to know how the O-line today could be so good pass blocking and so debilitatingly bad at run blocking. Lynch looked at times like he was about to have an aneurysm being stuffed so many times at the goal line because there were up to four defenders in the backfield by the time he took the handoff. Ridiculous.. At this point I wouldn’t be surprised if Seattle drafts O-lineman often if not early in next year’s draft.

by sev79 on Nov 14, 2010 8:41 PM PST reply actions  

If they only ran to the RIGHT side

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by EequalsMc2 on Nov 14, 2010 8:42 PM PST up reply actions  

It is a little weird

Maybe Lynch is a reverse Zoolander and can only turn right.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 6:51 AM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Awesome!

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 9:05 AM PST up reply actions  

I was at work for the first half.

So random: I’m sitting around at the window running food out to tables. It was pretty slow though, so someone asked me to go out to the bar and run a beer for them. I get to the bar and, on the TV above the other end of the rail, I see Hasselbeck under center. I’m mostly looking for the score, but then I watch the play unfold: He’s got some semblance of a pocket, he dodges pressure, lobs it and OBOMANU MAKES THE CATCH! So lucky to catch that one in real time.

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by Cheddar28 on Nov 14, 2010 8:42 PM PST reply actions  

Thankyou Seahawks

For giving me something to chear about. It’s nice to see a team strengthening later part of the season opposed to the beginning. I love the position we are in. I can’t wait for the St louis game it’s going to be huge. GO HAWKS!!!!!

by genax on Nov 14, 2010 10:17 PM PST reply actions  

And OKUNG is still going to come back!

Yay.

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by Cheddar28 on Nov 14, 2010 10:19 PM PST up reply actions  

Great game

Not pretty, but a blowout is a blowout, and it was a huge statement game, even more so because it was a division game. This division is ours!

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by Topher Doll on Nov 14, 2010 10:37 PM PST reply actions  

My favorite part of this game

Was Billick wearily saying “oh boy” when Hasselbeck threw it deep.

by DetectiveM on Nov 14, 2010 10:40 PM PST reply actions  

Hahah

that was hilarious, especially cuz we (FGers in particular) knew exactly what he was thinking and why he thought it.

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by Cheddar28 on Nov 14, 2010 11:11 PM PST up reply actions  

I found Billick surprisingly palatable today

Maybe it was just because the Hawks were playing a good game, but I liked all the little asides he was throwing around like that “oh boy”. He made good calls on two of Williams’ catches too.

Brennan on the other hand….oh boy…

Best part of the game though? Fox being so sure that “catch” of Fitzgerald’s was going to be overturned that they put up the “Call Reversed” graphic when the umpire confirmed the ruling on the field. Yeah, we got dogged by the refs a lot right now.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

Who kept getting Obo's name wrong?

And calling Butler ‘Branch’?

There were a few other mistakes concerning the team, and it was frustrating how unknown the team is. For example, a feature on one of the sites showing the top 10 receptions of the week. I thought sure the 1-handed rolling to the ground Williams grab would have been featured, but…what was I thinking? This is the Seahawks, not the Cowboys…or Saints…or Steelers…or the Packers…or, pretty much any other team in the league.

by Hawksince77 on Nov 15, 2010 11:41 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm glad I wasn't the only one who noticed the "call reversed" thing.

I started watching in the middle of that call, and was thoroughly confused. How did it cost Seattle a timeout if it was overturned? Who challenged what? Was it an interception by the Cards, and…wait, Fitz was catching the… WHA?!

Then I realized they got the graphic wrong, and we probably got dogged by the refs. It all made sense.

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by HititHere on Nov 15, 2010 2:50 PM PST up reply actions  

Did anyone see

McCoy in on goal line sets and stuff? I’d love for a guy with hands to develop into our #2 TE.

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by Cheddar28 on Nov 14, 2010 11:10 PM PST reply actions  

Yes I did...

Maybe it’s good sign. We need one at that position, because Carlson is flat-out disappearing.

by Hawkdawg on Nov 14, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions  

He had no catches today.

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by Cheddar28 on Nov 15, 2010 12:11 AM PST up reply actions  

He did throw a huge block on the Butler TD

Came flying in downfield and destroyed one of the Cards defenders on the cutback. Offensively…Baker is getting more looks in the field than he is. That can’t be a good sign.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 9:58 AM PST up reply actions  

true, but

Baker was the OLB Hayes assignment. Apparently that’s a favorable matchup. Maybe Baker only gets looks when he’s being covered by a slower LB.

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by jubelthebear on Nov 15, 2010 11:11 AM PST up reply actions  

That's good thinking

Obviously those plays are coming out of 2 TE sets. It makes sense that the faster LB would be on Carlson.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 11:45 AM PST up reply actions  

From the guy who said "Season Over" last week

I’m an idiot. You probably already knew this. But it bears repeating: I’m an idiot.

If Okung and Mebane can stay healthy the rest of the way, we can win this division, and potentially win the playoff game we’d end up hosting.

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by Hmph on Nov 15, 2010 1:45 AM PST reply actions  

I'd say let's wait and see how we do against New Orleans.

I think that’ll be the game that shows what we can do. The schedule we have coming up is pretty tough, with several pretty good teams on it. We’ve shown we can beat a weak Arizona team, but I’d like to see how we can handle teams that are playing well.

by splintrdmind on Nov 15, 2010 1:55 AM PST up reply actions  

SAY WHAT?

“The schedule we have coming up is pretty tough”??? I must avidly disagree After New Orleans, (Which I don’t think we stand a chance of winning even with a healthy Okung), We then have K.C. (who is definitely beatable) and Carolina both at home. I can potentially see us dropping the K.C. Game (I doubt we will) but if we lose to Carolina at home then we have no business being in this league. The Seahawks will end up either 8-8 or 9-7 and will win the NFC West. * Barring some monstrous collapse against the Rams (at Home) in Week 17. We’ll have all but locked-up the division if we can beat SF on the road. It won’t matter what we do with the rest of games. All that should matter is winning the NFC West and trying to win the Wildcard game which We’ll host. (Might be the Giants again..

by Zarleyhawk on Nov 15, 2010 6:11 AM PST up reply actions  

"If we can beat SF on the road" is a pretty bold statement.

They are NOT the same team we beat in week one.

I’m very worried about them running us down from behind.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 9:09 AM PST up reply actions  

Agree

I worry about SF far more than StL.

by rossco17 on Nov 15, 2010 10:02 AM PST up reply actions  

SF is in too deep of a hole to viable make a run at the division.

They have 3 wins on the season. They can realistically lose, at most, 2 more games this season and still have a shot at the playoffs.

They have games remaining against GB, San Diego, Tampa Bay, Seattle, and STL.

They won a couple close games lately, but also lost to Carolina. And they have Troy Smith as their QB.

I highly, HIGHLY doubt they mount any kind of comeback.

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by HititHere on Nov 15, 2010 3:20 PM PST up reply actions  

See my comment above.

And right now, Troy Smith is looking like the Heisman winning smart-decision making QB he was at Ohio State. His biggest NFL knock was always his size. SF was so desperate they don’t care about that, and it looks like their gain for the decision.

I wouldn’t be against having Troy Smith myself right now, for us…

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 4:20 PM PST up reply actions  

Troy Smith has started 4 games in his career. 2 were in 2007.

I’d wait for a larger sample size before making wild claims about how great he is.

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by HititHere on Nov 15, 2010 4:45 PM PST up reply actions  

Also if Otagwe didn't make that stupid penalty San Fran might have lost

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by EequalsMc2 on Nov 15, 2010 8:44 PM PST up reply actions  

So you saw the highlights.

From the game summary: “The 49ers overcame 14 penalties — including two that wiped out fourth-quarter touchdown passes to Crabtree and Vernon Davis.” But yeah, you saw the PI on the highlights.

And yes, Troy Smith doesn’t have a long history of success in the NFL, but he does have a long history of success.

I love how you manipulate my words into fallacy. I made no such “wild claim about how great he is” I merely said I’d not be against having him right now, as he might just have some long term upside. Hass does not, and apparently Charlie will never get the chance to show if he does or not.

He’s thrown a ton of passes in his last 2 games w/o having any intercepted, in must win games that his team won. Sounds entirely unlike Seattle QB’s in general.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 16, 2010 8:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Well, a couple of those calls were such that we Seahawk fans would have gone "officials conspiracy theory bias" on, according to my Niner buddy and a neutral friend who viewed the game.

Look, I’m simply saying that the Niners aren’t at all out of it if we don’t take care of business.

I can’t believe our fans are willing to chalk them up as done. I promise you nobody in their locker-room has, and if they go 5-1 down the stretch, not an impossible scenario given their remaining schedule, then we’re in deep shit if we don’t sneak a win somewhere above and beyond the games we “should” win.

And that’s why I was so scared Sunday when our fans were cheering for the Niners. That game they won could turn out to be oh so painful later on, and by far the majority of our fans were hoping for it.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 16, 2010 11:01 AM PST up reply actions  

And if the Rams had one you could be singing the exact same song for them.

I think if you’re playing percentages a Niner win on Sunday was better than a Rams win.

by Nate Dogg on Nov 16, 2010 11:07 AM PST up reply actions  

The Rams don't scare me. They're 2-30 in their last 32 road games.

I don’t see them doing much the rest of the way, probably ending 6-10, MAYBE 7-9.

I hear what you guys are saying, and Joe Nedney breaking his leg hurts them tremendously, but I still see the Niners going at worst 4-2 down the stretch, and likely 6-1.

But regardless, we win 4 or 5 more games, it doesn’t matter WHAT those teams do! :)

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 16, 2010 12:08 PM PST up reply actions  

Committing 14 penalties, even if some were marginal, is not good football

Nor is losing to Carolina. Carolina has only beaten 1 team… the 49ers. There is no way they play consistently enough to go 5 – 1 the rest of the season. I’m much more concerned about the Rams.

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by HititHere on Nov 16, 2010 11:14 AM PST up reply actions  

I agree with you

However, I will be rooting for Tampa on Sunday, as if they Beat San Fran I stand by the fact that the best they can finish will be 7-9.

by Zarleyhawk on Nov 16, 2010 12:24 PM PST up reply actions  

I would take that bet!

Oh well. It’ll have to be a virtual pitcher of beer, then.

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by HititHere on Nov 16, 2010 1:29 PM PST up reply actions  

Looking at the schedule

I think Carolina is the only team that I would guarantee we beat. New Orleans, Atlanta, @Tampa are all games that I would pencil in as losses. That puts us at 6-7. I think Kansas City is a tougher team than people think and I’m not writing off San Francisco as being a pushover game.

The offense has shown a tendency to stall out this season. As excited as I was after the win, looking back, we cannot continue the red zone futility we showed on Sunday and hope to win games. If we can consistently play better, then I can see it coming down to week 17 against the Rams. But right now, this is a terribly inconsistent team, and I don’t think we’re playing well enough to say that I feel comfortable predicting wins against Kansas City or against San Francisco on the road.

by splintrdmind on Nov 15, 2010 9:18 PM PST up reply actions  

K.C. has a 1-4 Road Record

I think that our most recent home game is weighing on your mind too heavily. On the whole, we’ve played very well at home this season. Especially the defense with a healthy Mebane. Yes our offense has the ability to go AWOL for games at a time, but I think Okung will be ready to go for the KC game and that will help us run the ball decently even against a strong KC run Defense. I’m not chalking up a “W” in San Fran yet but Carroll and Co. has us playing better on the Road this season compared to the previous two years. If we do pull out a win at San Fran then we can start printing our Division Champs T-Shirts, but not before then. And not, if by some horrific travesty we somehow lose to Carolina. Plus, in the final game of the season we’ll roast the Lambs.

by Zarleyhawk on Nov 16, 2010 12:22 PM PST up reply actions  

It's not so much the most recent home game

Although I’d be lying if I said it didn’t factor in to it. Primarily, I’d say it’s several games over the season where the offense did not show for long stretches (the win vs. San Diego, the game at Denver, the Arizona game at home, and obviously the Raiders and Giants games). I’m also worried a bit about the defensive line, although less so now that Mebane is back. If he stays healthy, I feel much better about our chances against the schedule we have.

I still think this will come down to the last game of the season, although I’m really glad that it’s against the Rams and at home.

by splintrdmind on Nov 16, 2010 8:50 PM PST up reply actions  

How bout the number 41

As in 41 yards rushing for the Cards! ME! BANE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Stick a fork in him - HE IS THROUGH

by eohawkfan on Nov 15, 2010 2:30 AM PST reply actions  

And 4-6 for 53 yards

I know he made the mistake of throwing in the flat late on a second read but Charlie looked a lot better today, other than the mistake.

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by eohawkfan on Nov 15, 2010 2:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Yeah but.....

I’d rather have Whitehurst go 1-8 with no INT. We were lucky that a combination of their inept “O” and our “D” were able to quash their drive after the pick., Otherwise it could’ve caused a change in momentum. This would’ve been especially bad seeing as how we couldn’t put the provierbial nail in the coffin before Forsett’s TD run. All the field goals and the Mare missed Field Goal were especially furstrating to watch. We have to improve our Red Zone Offense… I hope that’s what Carroll and Bates decide to work on at practice this week. But back to my main point…. If we were out of contention,we could afford to have Whitehurst learn on the job….. but….. our playoff hopes and any chance of winning a playoff game this year rests upon a healthy Hasselbeck, Okung and Mebane and the continued development of Aaron Curry. Sound about right?

by Zarleyhawk on Nov 15, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

It does when Hasselbeck has his best game in 3 years.

Not sure what it will sound like when he’s 14-27 with 1 TD 2 INT’s, and 5 sacks taken.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 15, 2010 9:10 AM PST up reply actions  

Matt had a good day.

But if you remember right he had a good day against San Frans aggressive Dbacks to. Then came the Denver game!

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by eohawkfan on Nov 15, 2010 2:42 PM PST up reply actions  

That wasn't a good day exactly.

This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.

by Cheddar28 on Nov 15, 2010 2:53 PM PST up reply actions  

no he didn't

1st drive he completed a few very safe passes that went for pretty good gains (Lynch for 22 specifically), then he threw a terrible INT.

2nd drive was ok, completed two, one for 16 yards and a first.

The ball was moving down the field on these two drives because they suddenly found a running game. If only making one major mistake in 6 pass attempts is an improvement, well that’s not saying much.

Obviously you can’t say Charlie is a complete bust just yet, he’s only played in two games but seriously, he looks terrible so far.

by dundundun on Nov 16, 2010 2:43 PM PST up reply actions  

I still think he looked just fine against the Giants after he settled down.

And this game was a cupacoffee… not enough time to count for much.

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by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 17, 2010 12:55 AM PST up reply actions  

Our Red Zone offense still sucks.

I can’t wait to see BeastForce running behind Okung and Pitts.

by grinch11 on Nov 15, 2010 4:59 AM PST reply actions  

I'd like to see a little more deception in the red zone myself

I don’t have the numbers to back it up, but it seems like they run that same play every time where they try to get Lynch between LT and LG, and it gets stuffed 90% of the time. Play action? Pitch? Toss? Something to get Lynch in space with room to get up a head of steam?

Tough to be too critical after a day like yesterday though.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 7:32 AM PST up reply actions  

Best thing about this win

“Olindo Mare outscored the Cardinals in the two meetings of these teams 38-28.” From revenge of the birds

Eat shit bum!

by LeftArrow2 on Nov 15, 2010 5:20 AM PST reply actions  

It's actually 34-28

Mare had 16 points in game 1 and 18 in game 2.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Nov 15, 2010 6:45 AM PST up reply actions  

No game ball for Butler?

I mean you can’t just give em out willy-nilly, but not for nothing, but that play where he cut back to the inside was a thing of beauty. Great pass by Matt to lead him away from the defense, but then the young man made it happen! I loved it.

That was the number one difference between this Matt Hasselbeck and the one that showed up against the Raiders. Different level of competition, sure, but isolating just how he was throwing the ball, he was leading his receivers away from the defender all day long.

I think that realistically this is probably the best type of performance we can expect from Matt, but it makes a WORLD of difference if you can complete those passes at 12 yards out instead of 8. The Cardinals actually started the game with the same old 8-10 people in the box like we’ve seen all season long, but as the game progressed, they had to spread WAY out to try and contain the passing game.

That is what I feel has been missing from Matt’s performance in that game where he hasn’t looked good. Yes, he got a lot of help from BMW (although Obo dropped a SURE TD, eesh), and yes these are the Cardinals. But I think even the most ardent Hass critic could look at his performance today and say he did a lot of things right.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 7:29 AM PST reply actions  

Also, I don't know if Curry read my tl;dr post about him from a few days ago

And it’s been said already, but it bears repeating. He showed up to play. I saw him take some great angles in pursuit, he covered pretty well too. I think he lost Ben Patrick in coverage once, which lead to a completion, but overall I he had a great game.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 7:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Matthew Hasslebeck

I was wrong. I am sorry.

You CAN throw the long ball when given time. I was wrong, I am sorry.

You CAN lead this team when given time to throw. I am sorry.

Thank you Matthew, thank you.

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Nov 15, 2010 7:40 AM PST reply actions  

No shit huh

Hasselbeck jersey owners can rock the 8 with pride. A huge game DESPITE possibly the worst quarterback sneak ever on that 4th-and 1.

by lemonverbena on Nov 15, 2010 7:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Tripped on Spencer's legs

Kind of an ugly fail. But a small blemish on an otherwise solid day.

by Kingdomer on Nov 15, 2010 9:16 AM PST up reply actions  

That was the play that broke his wrist.

Somehow that makes me feel a little better about it.

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by RolloTomasi on Nov 15, 2010 12:28 PM PST up reply actions  

Where did that Hass come from?

I think he got knocked in the head by Oakland pretty good. Did you see what happened yesterday?

by KidDanger on Nov 15, 2010 8:18 AM PST reply actions  

I hope that

a shot to the head is not what is required to wake him the hell up every other week, but he did good.

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Nov 15, 2010 8:50 AM PST up reply actions  

Jennings has played surprisingly well

(compared to his usual) this season.

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Nov 15, 2010 8:50 AM PST reply actions  

No kidding

him and Obomanu. At one point in the game I was thinking that I can’t believe how improved Obomanu has looked lately, then about two plays later he dropped what would have been a TD pass, but still.

by dundundun on Nov 16, 2010 2:48 PM PST up reply actions  

I dreamt last night that the Seahawks lost

I swear it happened just like this:

Derek Anderson replaced himself at quarterback and led the Cardinals on 3 or 4 touchdown drives.

Hasselbeck & Forsett were both injured, and Whitehurst was ineffective (or possibly injured himself, I can’t remember); so the only offense we could muster was Lynch, Lynch, Lynch, breaking through tackle after tackle to pound out a few yards at a time.

For some reason, the game was being played in Seattle. And even though it had become a certain loss, the fans were excited to cheer on the dramatic effort of Lynch.

Eventually, there was only a minute left to play and Seattle was down by at least two scores. Lynch figured we couldn’t win, but decided to put on one more show for the appreciative fans. He took a pitch and ran wide to the right.

Then he just stopped.

One by one, the Cardinal defenders came flying in. Lynch dodged from side to side, or simply lowered his shoulder and knocked them to the ground. As the bodies piled up around him, Lynch waved his arms in the air, inciting the fans into a screaming frenzy.

Eventually, three Cardinal defenders had attached themselves to Lynch, but still he would not go down. The defenders’ muscles tensed and bulged, tearing gaps in their own uniforms as they expanded, and their skin turned a Hulk-like green. Their hands dug into Lynch’s pads, his jersey, his helmet, and legs, veins throbbing with each vise-like grip.

Still Lynch would not go down. He leaned forward, his face turning red, and gave a mighty scream. With a final, superhuman effort, he shot forward eight yards and sprawled on the ground, buck naked, leaving the three Cardinal defenders holding the tattered remnants of his uniform.

It was a loss, but a memorable one.

by Jason_D on Nov 15, 2010 9:24 AM PST reply actions   3 recs

What the hell kind of dreams are you having?
sprawled on the ground, buck naked

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Semper Fi'
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Pain don't hurt...

by RolloTomasi on Nov 15, 2010 12:30 PM PST up reply actions  

I think your Subconscious might be gay

It really focused on the players’ bodies………. a lot.

by dankfranks on Nov 15, 2010 10:54 PM PST up reply actions  

Anyone else notice Fitz was picking on Jennings most of the game and was held to catching less than 50% of what was thrown to him?

Optimistic going into NO with a healthy O! Kung!!! and a healthy Me! Bane!!!

15-4 bee-yotches!!! 15-4!!!

by bleedshawkblue on Nov 15, 2010 12:34 PM PST reply actions   1 recs

15-4?

I like it.

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Semper Fi'
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by RolloTomasi on Nov 15, 2010 2:18 PM PST up reply actions  

Haha me too

that would mean they’d win every game up to the super bowl unless 12-4 didn’t get them a 1st round bye

by dankfranks on Nov 15, 2010 10:56 PM PST up reply actions  

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