Sprint Game Ball: Jeremy Bates
Through eight games, seven started by Matt Hasselbeck, offensive coordinator Jeremy Bates was not outperforming Greg Knapp. In fact, the two were kind. Knapp constructed a smart, creative and very modern attack that completely ignored Seattle's personnel. It stretched the field horizontally with screen passes and vertically with long bombs. It used a zone blocking scheme without zone blocking linemen. It succeeded in flashes and failed with oppressive regularity.
It was in many ways the same damn offense Bates would attempt to run.
I liked Knapp okay. I at least like the concept of Knapp. He's a smart coach and creative but not quite creative to a fault like say Clancy Pendergast. After years of Mike Holmgren, and his threadbare, exacting and occasionally brilliant playbook, a coach that could work in a trick play, that called screen passes with regularity, that accepted shotgun as a legitimate formation, and that hadn't stopped adding plays to his playbook in 1998, seemed appealing. But what Holmgren lacked in vision, he more than made up with execution. Execution wasn't Knapp's strong point, and that's a football analyst way of saying his offense sucked.
I liked, like Bates more than just conceptually, but, conceptually, I like Bates even more than I liked Knapp. He's young. We're not quite peers but it's close. It's not that important to me that Bates is young, but youth is a universal currency. He had success at a young age and decades to improve. He seems a little off in that Chucky Gruden way. Grudes was famous for getting up before dawn to work on his playbook. He's kind of a savant of offensive play calling. He can be cringeworthy in the booth, but man's a goddamn maestro of an offensive coordinator.
But Bates wasn't succeeding. And the rotten offensive personnel he inherited wasn't enough to excuse all of his struggles. In fact, with a healthier Hasselbeck and better overall offensive talent, Bates was performing worse than Knapp. The 2010 Seahawks offense is actually performing worse according to advanced metrics than the 2009 offense.
In Matt Hasselbeck's week off recovering from a concussion, something clicked for Bates . Maybe it was enough to see that Charlie Whitehurst probably wasn't going to rescue this offense. Maybe, and good Jesus I hope not, it was a one-week shift, but the Seahawks offense looked different against the Cardinals. Hasselbeck threw from the pocket. The roll outs were mostly curbed. Three step drops and short passes replaced six and seven blocker packages as the preferred way to stifle the opposing pass rush. Deep routes broke middle in rather than along the sidelines. More deep patterns were only barely deep: 20 rather than 30 yards. The run game wasn't all stretches and inside zones, but featured pull blockers and pitches and a quick hitter to the fullback.
I don't attempt scientific rigor with my analysis. Field Gulls is a place to entertain as much as inform, and the story of the game is in fact a story to me rather than a laboratory. I have almost every play of the season notated and diagrammed in various notebooks, but I didn't review every page before writing this. So, maybe the shift was inferred as much as actual, but it seemed like a shift -- a sizable one. It seems like Bates got it in a way that Knapp never did. It seems like Bates finally -- and after half a season's worth of failure -- scrapped the playbook he wanted to run and began creating a playbook that could work.
Field Gulls is not a place for false hope. I'm a bit of a homer, overestimate Seattle's talent and chances, yes, yes, but I don't throw out my back spinning every development into a positive. That said, I have certainly interpreted turning points that never manifested. Maybe this new look offense won't hold, maybe it's a mirage or a false interpretation on my part. Maybe scheme will not overcome talent regardless. But I think, I think, the Seahawks had an offensive breakthrough against the Cardinals. I think the use of shorter routes, more targets, more traditional run plays, and more play calls built around existing personnel, may just turn this offense around. It's not going to be great, not with this collection of talent, but great is a long ways away and not-bad, maybe even good on any given Sunday, is a lot better than any coordinator has accomplished in Seattle since at least 2007.
Game ball.
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Is it possible that the shift that occurred
was as much for the benefit of the offensive line as Hass? Maybe it took this long to truly transition away from the Gibbsean ZBS to an actual hybrid?
"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin
This offense has changed a lot since the preseason ended.
The addition of Marshawn Lynch (plus Brandon Stokley, Stacey Andrews, Tyler Polumbus and Chester Pitts), the departure of Deion Branch, Russell Okung, Ben Hamilton and Max Unger missing various amounts of time….maybe it has taken Bates this long to best utilize the current components tthat his offense has to offer.
BMW, Forsett, Butler and Obomanu have all improved in ways Bates couldn’t have banked on 10 weeks ago; he also might not have guessed Carlson would regress. A lot has changed — not just he o-line due to Gibbs’ retirement — and maybe Bates is on the upswing now.
My favorite sentence from the above article...
“I’m a bit of a homer, overestimate Seattle’s talent and chances, yes, yes, but I don’t throw out my back spinning every development into a positive.”
by TMann_2 on Nov 19, 2010 7:50 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
i find it hard to believe that this offense is actually performing worse then last years.
St. Louis and oakland aside, it seems like we are at least headed in the right direction. How many 30+ point games did we have last year?
7 picks for 7 quarterbacks in Draft 2011! EFF IT!
by Seatown_Sport_Head321 on Nov 19, 2010 8:34 PM PST via mobile reply actions
What we're doing and where we're headed aren't the same in this case.
Football outsiders has us performing a hair worse than last year in overall offense. And that could have gone up a bit with last weeks game.
We've had a lot of turnover on offense over the last 10 months
you can’t expect all these new parts to function properly in unison so soon. By the end of the season, hopefully, this team’s stats will look better.
Good grief I hope so.
I know we were playing the Cardinals, but John I think you’re right to point out some inherent difference in Hass and Co. rooted in playcalling. I think Okung’s return can help maintain this offense’s level of performance even against tougher opponents. I don’t think I need to expand around here on Okung’s awesomeness.
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
John, I wonder if the advanced metrics favor the 2009 offense because our opponents were considered stronger
We played the Colts, Packers, Titans, (much more potent) Vikings and Cardinals teams….maybe this year’s Seahawks are being overly punished because our opponents are worse. Not saying that that shouldn’t be a factor (quite the contrary), but I doubt “football sabermetricians” can accurately rate quality of opponent.
Frankly, there’s been enough turnover with this team between last year and this that comparing the two is moot. In my opinion.
We'll find out Sunday,
when we face the ball hawking Saints secondary, if it was truly a shift or if we we’re just picking apart a very poor AZ team. If we can even be close in this game, it’s a huge stride forward over the last month.
Its a ball-hawking Saints secondary
sans Sharper and maybe Jenkins.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 19, 2010 10:41 PM PST up reply actions
Awesome thread! Yes
It seems Bates is discovering Bates and instead of Knapps. That’s a good thing :)
I think you're right
The offense didn’t just seem more effective because it was playing a poor defense, but it seemed different.
The John Carlson homer in me says it’s him playing this new “Tiger” position (basically an H-back).
But kidding aside, I’m hoping we see more of the play calls used against Arizona. Combine this shifted offensive scheme with the return of Okung, and the upcoming return of Tate, Stokley and Robinson, and nice things could happen.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
I'd love to see Bates and Hass get Carlson involved early
Given that he has historically looked like a top-15 tight-end, and he has no injuries that we know-of, we just seem to be wasting his talent right now. Clearly, he has been used much of the time to stay in and help our patchwork O-line, but his lack of touches has also lead to drops when he does get an opportunity.
If we can get both Carlson and BMFMW involved at the same time, we are much more dangerous and harder to stop.
A-gaps
Since 2006, Hasselbeck has struggled when teams are able to create interior pressure. I suppose interior pressure has a negative impact on every quarterback, but the Seahawks have seemed particularly unable to adapt to and defeat it. Beck was probably helped tremendously by not having Dockett in the game last week. In the event the Saints are able to generate interior pressure (I don’t know a thing about their inclination or history of having done so) Beck is going to need to have and complete the hot routes to counter. BMW would seem especially well-suited for slants given his size and ablity to fight for the ball when in close coverage situations.
Also, having Okung back should help get more targets into routes, thereby increasing the quick-read options for Hasselbeck. It’d be great to see the Hawks punish a team for blitzing every once in a while.
The Saints are about middle of the pack when it comes to sacks / pressures
And their 19 sacks are spread amongst 14 players. Their highest is Seddrick Ellis with 4 (he’s a DT).
I’d bet he’s the biggest threat, as he’s most likely going to be attacking the A gaps.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com

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