Why the Seahawks Offense Fails, the Deep Passing Attack: Part 2
The next thing I asked myself was, is the Seahawks poor deep passing attack a function of a poor overall passing offense, or is it particularly bad? To attempt an answer, I broke out the five passing offenses that compare most closely to Seattle in adjusted net yards per attempt: Buffalo, Jacksonville, St. Louis, Minnesota and Chicago.
How do those five teams compare to Seattle at passing the ball deep?
Overall adjusted net yards per attempt: 4.5
Completion percentage: 34.8%
TDs: 6
Interceptions: 4
Adjusted yards per attempt: 7.3
Overall adjusted net yards per attempt: 4.5
Completion percentage: 55.1%
TDs: 3
Interceptions: 3
Adjusted yards per attempt: 11.6
Overall adjusted net yards per attempt: 4.3
Completion percentage: 28.1%
Touchdowns: 1
Interceptions: 4
Adjusted yards per attempt: 2.7
Overall adjusted net yards per attempt: 4.2
Completion percentage: 43.5%
Touchdowns: 2
Interceptions: 2
Adjusted yards per attempt: 10.0
Overall adjusted net yards per attempt: 3.8
Touchdowns: 1
Interceptions: 6
Adjusted net yards per attempt: 6.8
(For point of reference, noodle-armed Todd Collins had five deep pass attempts, completed one for 19 yards, threw another incomplete, and threw three interceptions.)
There doesn't seem to be a clear trend, which isn't too surprising when dealing with small samples. The only team in the ballpark with Seattle is St. Louis, and St. Louis starts a rookie quarterback and doesn't have a ton of receiving talent.
It would be tough to do a noodle arm-strong arm breakout, because that's rather subjective. For instance, where do we put Brett Favre? He once had a terrific arm and deep ball. Does he still? It's declined for sure, but if I had to split it down the middle, it would be debatable whether to list him as above average or below. Guys like Jay Cutler and Ryan Fitzpatrick clearly belong to the strong arm bunch, but what about Sam Bradford?
Anyway, there also doesn't seem to be a split among superstar rushers. We might expect someone like Steven Jackson to draw safety attention, but the Rams passing offense has not been able to take advantage of it. There is an interesting split among rushing performance. The teams that effectively pass the ball deep, Jacksonville, Minnesota, Buffalo and Chicago, rank 11, 7 and 9 and 18 in rushing yards per attempt. Seattle and St. Louis rank 26 and 27. That might imply that passing the ball down field effectively opens up space to run underneath, but that's hardly conclusive. Just a thought.
It is very clear that Seattle does not pass deep effectively. Its adjusted yards per attempt is dwarfed by four of the five very worst passing offenses in the NFL. When opposing coordinators stuff the line and take away the run and the short passing game, Seattle has no recourse.
Now that we've shored up the hypothesis, that Seattle's offense is powerless against teams that stuff the line, the next step is to examine if that is what the Raiders did. It certainly looked like it, and that impression inspired this series of posts, but I haven't written out play by play formations for the entire game. Will examining this game through the above hypothesis reveal why Oakland was able to run over Seattle's offense?
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Can Charlie throw the deep ball?
I don’t think strength is too much of a problem, but I’d like to see the accuracy from 25+ throws. I’m on the fence with the option of benching Hasselbeck, but I don’t want to see Charlie thrown in halfway during the Giants game if Hass gets hurt. I’d rather him practice all week with the first team and get the start.
Split Seahawks/Texans fan. Don't like it? Don't care.
yes, Charlie can throw the deep ball
I’m not saying he’s the better option, but it’s probably very likely he’d post better numbers throwing the deep ball.
One thing that jumped out at me from the Oakland game was...
the number of jump ball situations Seahawk recievers end up in. It seems like our deep passing game is built around winning those situations or drawing PI. Not a good thing. I can’t think of many times where Hasselbeck has thrown a beauty to his Wideout in stride.
I'm alarmed we're trying jump balls to Butler
And not with Williams.
Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.
To be fair...
I thought most of those 50/50 “deep” balls Matt tossed in the raiders game should have been caught by our WRs.
by quickhandsandfeet on Nov 2, 2010 5:57 PM PDT via mobile up reply actions
How many attempts for the teams listed?
I find that data to be relevant to the post, particularly in providing context to the TD/INT numbers. And, more important, to assess how much our Seahawks led by Hasselbeck are even attempting deep passes as compared with other teams.
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Only 32 with the Rams?
Sam Bradford is much better than that. ESPN says so!
Houston Rockets, all day everyday.
Cutler and Fitzpatrick clearly belong in the strong-arm bunch?
I’m having trouble with that statement. Did Fitzpatrick grow a new arm? HGH? His time in Cincy they didn’t complete a ball deeper than 10 yards, it seemed.
Fitzpatrick is playing well this year, but his career 5.8 Y/A and 5.0 AY/A( 4.5 AY/A in 2008 with Cincy – 12 starts) to Cutler’s almost 7.2 career Y/A and 6.5 AY/A.
In fact, looking at the PFR number for Hasselbeck could suggest that Fitzpatrick and Hasselbeck’s arms are on par with each other. Maybe those stats just aren’t the best indicator (or much of an indicator at all). Even Chad ‘noodle-arm’ Pennington has better numbers than either of those two.
Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn
More Hasselbeck (Adv. NFL Stats):
32nd in % deep in 2009, 22nd in 2010
25th in AY/A in 2009, 33rd in 2010
…as I suspected. Not all on Matt but certainly a huge factor.
Start Charlie Whitehurst. / #24 = Beast Mode! Welcome, Marshawn
Though the more I think about it, Fitz is probably on the high side of below average
maybe I’m easily blown away.
You do seem to like Fitz a bit too much judging on things you've said in the past.
However, Buffalo.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Nov 2, 2010 10:25 PM PDT up reply actions
Kornheiser put it best on PTI
“Buffalo Bills, #1 in our hearts, #32 in the NFL standings”
Houston Rockets, all day everyday.
He's married, John. Stop with the poetry and flowers before you embarrass yourself.
Thank you, Walter Jones.
Thank you, Ken Griffey Jr.
I saw a lot of improvement in Hasselbeck's velocity over the offseason
and was hopeful that was a return to something. It was a return, but only from such poor velocity, that only on that level would this amount of improvement be so noticeable.
This is what I love
John, let me say that I am loving this analysis! You seem to have made this leap from play analysis to scientific inquiry. These are the breakdowns that help clearly define a teams strengths and weaknesses. Oakland put 8 in the box not because they respected the run obviously, but because they have NO respect for the deep ball. Please keep coming up with this stuff, I am eating it up!
by SeaTown on Nov 2, 2010 8:14 PM PDT via mobile reply actions
This is indeed a good series of posts.
It also seems from the Raider game that the “long” balls that Matt did throw were towards the sidelines and if the receiver did catch them he would be easily pushed out of bounds. So the D was able to play up front and on the deep passes that worked they could easily limit the damage.
This is one of my favorite series so far.
Really great stuff. Clear hypothesis and dissection, it’s truly an experiment with no opinion-based conjecturing and I love it.
by Woodinville_12thMan on Nov 2, 2010 10:27 PM PDT reply actions
It just cracks me up that
all are pass attempts end up turning into Cirque de Soleil auditions for the receivers.
by hazbro24 on Nov 3, 2010 9:34 AM PDT reply actions 1 recs
Heh.
Just like the Raiders with Jamarcus!
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