Seahawks Passing Offense, Second Quarter: Part 1
by John Morgan on Nov 24, 2010 10:00 AM PST
Email
PrintLots to cover. Let's jump right in.
1-10-SEA 20 (10:17) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete deep middle to 89-J.Carlson (28-U.Young)
Defenders within five: 8
Defenders within 10: 9
Following some success with the deep pass, Seattle has forced both safeties back. Woot.
Seahawks: 2 WR (right), TE (left/right), RB (Baker motions wide right prior to the snap)
Saints: 4-3
Rush four. Five blockers. Five step drop. John Carlson is running a post. Matt Hasselbeck targets him. It's a very poor read. The pattern breaks right where free safety Usama Young stands ready to double Carlson. He jumps the route and nearly picks the pass. It's just short of a gimme.
2-10-SEA 20 (10:11) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short left to 24-M.Lynch.
Defenders within five: 8
Withing 10: 10
Seahawks: WR (left/right (right: tight)), TE (right), I (left) (Carlson motions wide right before the snap)
Saints: 5-2
Carlson's motion creates confusion. Jonathan Vilma and Roman Harper chase right, Harper stops and Vilma is not able to cover before the snap. He has a lot of space on a quick hitch, but Hass reads Lynch.
Saints rush five. Seahawks block with five. Chris Spencer allows Remi Ayodele straight up the gut. Matt needs to dish it and quick. Lynch holds up ever so slightly running the swing pattern and the pass arrives out in front. Hasselbeck is trying to lead him but Lynch isn't game. He stabs his left hand out at the ball but it tumbles away incomplete.
3-10-SEA 20 (10:07) (Shotgun) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short right to 87-B.Obomanu.
Within five: 7
Within 10: 10
Seahawks: WR (left) 2 WR (right), Split backs, shotgun
Saints: 3-3 under
Rush five. Seven blockers. One defender spies.
Hasselbeck has a clean pocket and targets Ben Obomanu running an out or more likely a very flat corner or flag route. The pass falls wide and out of bounds. Maybe a bad pass and maybe a bad pattern.
(punt)
(Saints score winning touchdown)
2-6-SEA 35 (5:16) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short right to 17-M.Williams to SEA 45 for 10 yards (33-J.Greer). pass 7, YAC 3
Within five: 6
Within 10: 9
Holy smokes! It's honest spacing. New Orleans isn't mugging the line! Let's see if that continues.
Seahawks: 2 WR (right), 2 TE (left), RB
Saints: 4-3
Saints rush four. Seahawks block five. Mike Williams runs a slant that begins five yards into his route. His pattern breaks underneath the coverage. Hasselbeck takes a three step drop and fires. Williams catches, turns and falls forward for ten.
1-10-SEA 45 (4:49) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short left to 87-B.Obomanu to NO 44 for 11 yards (28-U.Young). pass -4, YAC 15
Within five: 8
Within 10: 9
A little tighter bur just barely.
Seahawks: 2 WR (left), TE (right), I (right)
Saints: 4-3
Hasselbeck takes it and zips it to Obo in the slot. Obomanu is uncovered. Not to grouse, but so, so many NFL offenses get quality production out of this kind of route, but Seattle hasn't been able to run it effectively in years. A few deep passes later and routes like this open up. Mike Williams blocks out Tracy Porter. Obo catches and runs straight up field for an automatic ten.
1-10-NO 44 (4:22) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short left to 86-C.Baker.
Seahawks quick snap it.
Within five: 8
Withing 10: 10
Seahawks: WR (left (Carlson)), 2WR (right), TE (left), RB
Saints: 4-3 over
Rush five. Block five. Three step drop. Matt targets Baker running an out. Shanle's all over him. The pass leads Baker too much and Baker can only reach for it before it continues out of bounds, incomplete.
Wonder why Hasselbeck rushed the throw.
2-10-NO 44 (4:19) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short left to 17-M.Williams to NO 41 for 3 yards (22-T.Porter). pass 0, YAC 3
Within five: 8
Within 10: 10
Seahawks: WR (left/right), TE (left/right), RB (Carlson motions from left tight end to fullback)
Saints: 3-4
Both corners are playing way off. Hasselbeck takes it and throws it left and Williams catches, but Porter is all over it. Williams squares with Porter, does that rec league shimmy-shimmy thing and is tackled after three. Still, three yards.
3-7-NO 41 (3:39) (Shotgun) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass short left to 17-M.Williams to NO 26 for 15 yards (22-T.Porter). pass 10, YAC 5
Withing five: 7
Within 10: 10
Seahawks: WR (left), 2 WR (right), split backs, shotgun
Saints: 3-4
Rush seven. Block seven. Thank goodness Gregg Williams is predictable.
Matt locks on to Williams. Williams is facing very soft coverage. Porter is initially about ten yards off, and when Williams crosses the first down marker, Porter bites deep. Williams curls in front of Porter and jumps and catches and turns up field for another five.
It's crazy when you think about it, but both this reception and the 11 yard reception by Obomanu are allowed in order to protect against the deep pass. Deep pass. Deep pass. Deep pass. Huh.
Seattle takes a time out.
Aaaand ... I'm out of time. I'll have to pick this up on Friday.
39 comments
|
0 recs |
Do you like this story?
Comments
Speaking of the Seahawks passing offense...
The Seahawks worked out Dwayne Jarrett and Bobby Engram yesterday. Can’t say that I saw that one coming…
http://www.yardbarker.com/blog/nflbuzz/seahawks_work_out_three_players/3671263
Wow. COOL.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
by Nick Andron on Nov 24, 2010 10:47 AM PST up reply actions
No way!!
Swap in Engram for Stokeley! Do iiiiit.
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
Then have him run the "wrong ball" play
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 24, 2010 11:02 AM PST up reply actions
I don't mind it being done in college games
but its really the dickest of dick moves at that age. It really is about the coach trying to trick a bunch of little kids.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 24, 2010 11:20 AM PST up reply actions
You know what I would love to see?
Some kid on the defense recognizing that dick move and dropping the quarterback for a loss. That would be way more entertaining than the trick itself.
Or the other coach throwing a sucker punch during the after-game handshakes
Because the fault lies with the coach, not the 10-year olds running the plays.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 24, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions
Were Lynch's 'drops' really drops?
It seemed to me that both passes were ever so slightly out of his reach. I mean, he’s not Mike Williams, ya know.
Thoughts?
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
There was talk about this in the gamethread.
My opinion is that those incompletes are more on Matt than Lynch, but Lynch didn’t do much to help out Hasselbeck.
I don't see how anyone can argue that they weren't catchable balls
and Lynch seems to be very awkward when he releases into his routes out of the backfield.
We could also be seeing some chemistry issues between Hasselbeck and Lynch. They’ve only been playing together since week 6.
heard that
If they could get the screen game or route-out-the-backfield game going; that’d be the hotness. Happy T-day everyone.
by jubelthebear on Nov 24, 2010 5:23 PM PST up reply actions
I saw Lynch slow-up on the routes
The pass arrived a little out of reach of Lynch. I think the pass would have arrived in-stride if Lynch hadn’t slowed-up. It looked like a problem with route running and expectations. Matt threw the ball where Lynch should have been, not where he was.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 24, 2010 10:44 AM PST up reply actions
I saw it exactly the same way
Lynch was going at about 70% speed, and Hass threw to him expecting 100%
I am a Beastmode fan, but he really brought his “D” game last Sunday. Take away his two fumbles and these poor routes, and the game would have been much closer — he really hurt the team. As I said in another thread, given Lynch’s straight-up running style where he stops a lot and gets hit from all kinds of angles as he fights for more yards, he needs to expect lots of strip attempts. He needs to be concentrating on protecting the ball in those situations. The fumbles are not “surprising” if his head isn’t 100% in the game — many backs would fumble in those situations if they are not protecting the ball.
We don't really know where Lynch was supposed to be though.
It’s possible Lynch is supposed to sit down near the line of scrimmage and wait for the ball, like Carlson is doing in the picture above.
The picture tells us that Marshawn had a lot of room if he caught it
I think Matt was wanting to hit him in stride running so that he had a full head of steam, instead of waiting for it and having to go from a stand-still. That’s intuition they don’t have with one another.
Running backs usually slow down on swing passes when they look for the ball though.
You don’t generally see a back running full steam through a dump off.
Its possible, but it doesn't look like to me
and which guy is more likely to have a better understanding of the route-running responsibilities?
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 24, 2010 10:57 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure they've both ran a swing route a couple thousand times.
And Hasselbeck has never been skilled at throwing those short passes.
Did you see the screen pass to Forsett later in the game?
Matt hit him in stride and it was a very nice game.
That's true
But I have to agree with Nate Dogg, overall I don’t think that swing pass has been Hass’ strength over the years.
Conversely, we’ve seen some big ones dropped by backs this year, Robinson I’m looking at you…
Historically, Lynch isn't much of a fumbler
and Pete is a real stickler for ball control. I don’t think we’ll see another 2-fumble game from Beast Mode very soon.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Nov 24, 2010 10:56 AM PST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Lynch is going to be ready to play on Sunday
It’s not a chronic problem for him despite his running style. And personally, I’m kind of excited to see an angry Marshawn Lynch running the ball.
I expect a better game from Beast, but he always runs angry anyway
We are going to need everyone’s “A” game for a win Sunday. It is a lot harder to be in first in the AFC West than the NFC West, so it will be a struggle, even at Qwest.
If we get out to an early lead and force them into a one-dimensional passing game, then all bets are off as no team plays well behind at Qwest with the crowd noise and all.
DEEP pass?
This wooden soul of mine, it cannot ever climb from places it has fallen: In between where light can shine. It never falls in line, it barely has a spine, like branches severed from the vine. Like it was faulty by design.
That picture kills me
Has anyone noticed that a few of Matt’s deep balls in the last few games have actually been overthrown? I think John mentioned it a few weeks ago, but given enough time to step into it, Matt can still throw a passable mid-range ball.
The worst of the worst this game for me was his intentional grounding. He got caught on a back-peddal and triend to fling it out. It didn’t reach the line of scrimmage. Butler’s overthrown deep ball and the intentional grounding show what we can expect from Matt.
John made it pretty clear that it's not exactly arm strength
Matt is capable of throwing a football down field, but what he’s lost is the ability to throw it accurately. Last few games he’s been doing much better, and let’s hope that keeps improving.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
by Nick Andron on Nov 24, 2010 11:05 AM PST up reply actions
The one thing I've noticed is that they've mostly stopped trying to throw deep against single coverage.
And when they do they’ve used the size of the receiver to do it, instead of trying to go over the top of a corner. The BMW catch against Toler and Obo’s catch against Greer were just jump balls against sleeping corners. The other big plays have been to wide open receivers where they used multiple receivers to open the field and get guys by themselves deep. Butler’s crossing route against Arizona, Obo sitting in the middle of the field against Arizona and BMW’s big catch and run just required good reads, not great accuracy.
I've appreciated the faith shown in the receivers to win balls in the air
If we are without BMW this week I don’t know if that will continue. We will be looking at Obama-knew, Butler, and Stokley to fill out the WR corps.
If we could just get Robinson back then Carlson could step back into the slot..
As Nick states, Matt is physical capable of throwing the ball deep
but given his lack of arm strength, he has trouble doing it with any accuracy. I would suspect it is a bit like pitching in baseball. It is a lot easier to throw to a target (e.g. low and inside to the catcher’s mitt) if you are under control. If you throw as hard as you can, you get wild. A strong pitcher with a “live arm” has the ability to consistently throw 90+ and still hit his spots.
Also, as someone posted elsewhere, a tight spiral really helps
Matt’s passes often flutter and wobble. Supposedly, over a reasonably deep distance, a tight-spiral can make a 5 yard or more difference in putting the ball on a target, which is huge.
And not for nothing
But I’ve seen some tight spirals on those mid to deep balls the last two games. I don’t know where it came from, and I don’t care. It’s delicious and I want more of it.
Matt’s still far from a sure thing to throw a great ball on a long route though, for sure.
Comments For This Post Are Closed
Secondary Sidebar
User Tools
Related FanPosts on Field Gulls
Related FanShots on Field Gulls
FanPosts
Community blog posts and discussion.
