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Giants at Seahawks First Quarter Notes

Scenes from the fall.

This is the only post for today as today has sucked.

For your information.

  • The run defense was somewhere between ok and beginning to collapse in the first quarter. The first offensive play of the game by the Giants provided a heartening sign: strongside contain. Ahmad Bradshaw attempted to run off right end and Seattle, and especially Kentwan Balmer and Aaron Curry, effectively strung the play wide before stopping it for no gain.
  • The next play involved the two qualities that would define this game: Seattle's inability to pass rush, even when blitzing, and Marcus Trufant's inability to stop comeback patterns, curls, stops etc. Seattle blitzed Aaron Curry off left end and he was met by the left tackle and back, effectively nullifying the blitz and Seattle's pressure. Hakeem Nicks ran up the field, stopped in front of Tru and curled and caught a perfectly timed pass. There was no end to this.
  • David Hawthorne had to fight through fullback Bear Pascoe to make a tackle on Bradshaw on the next play. Great play and all, but a portent of a crumbling run defense too.
  • Junior Siavii separated and attempted to tackle Bradshaw on the next play, but he and Lofa Tatupu slipped off the tackle and allowed considerable run after contact.
  • Now I get to play Scrooge and take away one of the few bright moments of Aaron Curry's 2010. He forced a fumble on the next play, and that's great, but he Babs'd his way into the big play. The Giants ran play action with Manning booting right. Kevin Boss was blocking Chris Clemons but finally disengaged and released into a route.
  • Clemons was in a pickle. He was the only Seahawk close enough to pressure Manning, but if he closes Boss becomes an outlet. However, he has to close or allow Manning to run for the first. The linebacker should be there to pick up Boss and if he was, Manning likely throws it away and the Giants punt.
  • Instead, Curry is way out of position. He badly chases play action -- as does Hawthorne and Tatupu -- and then, once it's clear the play is not a run, he begins to run deep sort of towards Nicks. Nicks is about 15 deep along the right sideline. As if to confirm that he doesn't know what is going on, Curry looks back towards the deep middle of the field before seeing Boss and closing.
  • At that point, he's about eight yards from Boss. Siavii is in a much better position to make the stop, and, though it's not clear, it might even be Siavii who forces the fumble.
  • Curry showed quality awareness at Wake Forest, and so his continued struggles identifying plays is pretty surprising. Misdirection eats him up and he doesn't negotiate zone coverage very well. And boy did his inability to negotiate a zone hurt Seattle last Sunday.

So, anyway, the fumble counted and the Seahawks took the ball briefly. That's all covered in the Whitehurst posts and, for now, I won't slag the Seahawks rushing attack anymore. It sucks, and Marshawn Lynch is just the latest victim.

Star-divide

  • Curry and Hawthorne released into zones and Bradshaw curled closer to Curry, but it was Hawthorne who had to finish the tackle. The problem is twofold: Curry is slow in recognition and Curry is not very agile.
  • Siavii separates and makes a stop.
  • Chris Clemons stunts inside and Roy Lewis blitzes untouched off left end and forces Manning to throw the ball away. Pressure!
  • It didn't last. Tru contacted Nicks and was flagged for pass interference. Tru was close in cover and did nothing more blatant than incidentally contact Nicks while attempting to defend the pass, but the problem was that Trufant didn't turn and make a play on the ball
  • Balmer sets the edge, Curry takes a bad angle and allows Bradshaw to outrun him to the edge; Tru closes from the second level and Curry and Balmer rally to finish off the staggered rusher.
  • Clemons gets a good rush off left end, but there's no middle pressure and Manning steps up and finds Bradshaw over the middle.
  • Manningham catches a curl in front of Trufant.
  • And then the Giants score on middle push. Nothing fancy, just one side beating back the pressed-into-service depth of the other side.

Aaaaand, this next drive signaled the end of competitive football.

  • Giants run play action but it's weak and the Seahawks don't jump. I hate weak play action. Craig Terrill and Siavii create interior pressure but, of course, this time there's no edge pressure. Lawyer Milloy and Hawthorne both chase Boss running deep, and that allows Pascoe to come wide open in the left flat.
  • The confusion seemed to occur when Boss motioned left causing Milloy to switch cover and Earl Thomas to drop deep. It's my guess that Milloy was supposed to cover Boss and Hawthorne was supposed to cover Pascoe, and so Hawthorne blew coverage, but I'll never know for sure.
  • Dexter Davis separated from Boss and tackled Brandon Jacobs, but the line was ragged, Terrill was doubled into next week, and without a lot of fanfare, this run gained four yards. It's darn easy to run against a Mebane-less weak side.
  • The next play was pretty good. Siavii tossed off and threw down Rich Seubert and tackled Jacobs in the back field. Seattle's had depressingly few plays like this since losing Mebane.
  • Seattle blitzed five in third and eight and though it looked disruptive at first, the pressure concentrated off left end and Manning was able to calmly step up and right and into an oasis of open field. He targeted Steve Smith but Smith had been chucked off his route by Earl Thomas and the pass fell incomplete.
  • Smith had been illegally chucked off his route by Earl Thomas, first down.
  • And then Thomas bit underneath on a tight end crossing pattern and that left Kelly Jennings in single coverage against Nicks. Nicks ran a deep cross and Jennings was pretty much toast out of the break.
  • Weak play action by New York, and Curry was able to wrap around right end and pressure Manning, kind of. Middle pressure was dead and Manning stepped out of danger and stepped into his pass and still made the play more exciting than it needed to be, but, when all was said and done, a strong armed quarterback connected with a supremely talented young receiver and the stands at Qwest Field began emptying into the midday gloom. 

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At what point do I press the panic button on Curry?

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Nov 9, 2010 6:50 PM PST reply actions  

you press the panic button when...

one night you stumble across a ‘B’ movie on TBS starring Curry and Brian Bosworth.

by farmer cam on Nov 9, 2010 6:52 PM PST up reply actions  

With a cameo from Rick Mirer?

If Curry is a bust (which he likely is) it’s just more ammunition to beat up on the Ruskell era, and now I’m finding it more and more difficult to offer good rebuttals.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Nov 9, 2010 6:56 PM PST up reply actions   1 recs

Ruskell was brought in to fill holes for a playoff contending roster

the Curry pick was just a continuation of that mindset. The thing that really burns me is that we (in my estimation) drafted Curry to justify trading away Peterson (or vice versa). Now it’s clear we ended up with the lesser player.

by farmer cam on Nov 9, 2010 7:06 PM PST up reply actions  

We also let Redding walk

And we could use him.

Michael Robinson leads the Seahawks in completion percentage, yards-per-attempt, and QB rating.

by SSreporters on Nov 9, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

I to am really starting to worry.

It’s just so sad when I tried to defend the pick and there are so many LB taken later that are seriously outperforming Curry. I know the past is the past but this pick might be the most disappointing out of all of Ruskell’s.

by Hopefulmsfan on Nov 9, 2010 7:13 PM PST up reply actions  

He's 24. Let's just leave it at that.

"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM

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by Nick Andron on Nov 9, 2010 8:01 PM PST via mobile up reply actions  

I already did a while ago and now I'm past panic.

He’ll get better, but the ways in which he is struggling convince me that he’ll never live up to 4th overall. He plays the role of the least importance in the front 7, for about any 4-3 defense, and even with this new Quinn-tweaked Carroll defense giving more importance to the Sam, it’s still of least importance since the design funnels more tackles to the WLB.

And he probably will still grow into the role and play well, and I hope Carroll is satisfied with that kind of contribution and doesn’t move him. Fewer mistakes, a few more plays of significance made, and that’s about the ceiling now IMO for Aaron Curry. And I’m prepared to live with that.

by jacobstevens on Nov 10, 2010 11:53 AM PST up reply actions  

My water heater died.

Today did suck.

Tangled up in blue.

by Seahawka 12th on Nov 9, 2010 7:18 PM PST reply actions  

Its not like the Seahawks were the only FO that thought Curry was going to be good

Lots of the talking heads around football and other teams had Curry rated highly. Granted it sucks, but its not like he was some dark horse or big gamble when the Seahawks drafted him.

by NViera on Nov 9, 2010 8:09 PM PST reply actions  

But we drafted him

We could have traded down, or drafted an offensive lineman.

by lordtd on Nov 10, 2010 1:07 AM PST up reply actions  

It takes two to trade

No proof, but I think that Seattle would have traded down if it could have. This has come up before: the position Seattle was picking in was a tough one. Curry was considered the last elite prospect at #4 and anybody else picked at that position would have been considered a reach. Malcolm Jenkins? I have no idea how he’s doing in N.O. Orakpo would be nice to have, but no one thought he was worth a #4 overall pick. Andre Smith has struggled in Cinci. Seahawks were in a tough spot, no doubt.

by rossco17 on Nov 10, 2010 6:28 AM PST up reply actions  

I don't really care about the "no one thoughts".

Fact is, Orakpo, a supposed “risk”, is lighting it up at a position that would transform our defense. The supposed “safe” pick is playing decently enough, but I’m pretty sure he’s not much better than average at this point.

Dang it. I probably would have taken Curry too, but I’m not a GM.

by djafrot on Nov 10, 2010 10:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Some GMs are better than others at predicting success

But no one is even close to 100% at it. Curry was an athletic freak and a monster at the position at Wake Forest. I doubt any GM thought that Orakpo was a safer pick than Curry.

I can’t really blame Ruskell for this pick. I just can’t.

by rossco17 on Nov 10, 2010 11:34 AM PST up reply actions  

Without rehashing this argument entirely

I still think using a high pick on an LB is a waste unless they dramatically improve your pass rush or pass coverage, neither of which I see Curry doing yet.

by djafrot on Nov 10, 2010 11:49 AM PST up reply actions  

Absolutely, blame at this point is irrelevant.

We have Curry, he’s not what we hoped we would be. That’s pretty much it.

by jacobstevens on Nov 10, 2010 11:54 AM PST up reply actions  

I'm hoping throughtout the next couple of years we find a way to use Curry

He may not end up being worth what we have given for him, but it would be good if we could get something positive out of him. More than just average anyway.

by stufr on Nov 10, 2010 3:44 AM PST reply actions  

Sitting in the stands and watching people walk out in droves was really a sight

The section on the opposite side of the stadium looked like water running downstream. We have had a lot of “the one guy we couldn’t afford to be hurt” this year, just exposing our lack of quality depth everywhere but LB. The thing with Okung stings badly b/c he’s been rolled up twice by players who were basically getting outclassed by their opponent on the play while he was handling his man. It’s like a microcosm of our losses.

To their credit, Carroll and Schneider seemed to anticipate the problems with this roster and try to forestall collapse by turning some useful but not irreplaceable players into draft picks while at the same time trying to find cheap ways to spackle in some pretty gaping holes in the talent. In the NFC West I think that was the move to make; stockpile picks but try to find enough filler to win a division in transition. Seems to me they kinda saw the talent base for what it is — limited in upside and woefully thin, but potentially good enough to win a weak division with a break or two.

"Those who fear disorder more than injustice inevitably produce more of both." -- Rev. William Coffin

by dcrockett17 on Nov 10, 2010 5:26 AM PST reply actions  

Heheh.

We’re too much spackle, not enough well seamed drywall.

Bird Law in this country isn't governed by reason.

by Tyler Jorgensen on Nov 10, 2010 8:43 AM PST up reply actions  

I just dont understand...

Why is everyone calling Curry a bust? He has 28 tackles so far this season with a forced fumble. Last season he had 61 tackles in 14 games played. He was fourth best on the team. He even defended 6 passes. I don’t think we are utilizing him effectively and taking advantage of his skill set.

by KidDanger on Nov 10, 2010 6:53 AM PST reply actions  

I think the problems pretty clearly go beyond his counting stats

He had a pretty decent debut against St Louis last year, and he has shown up in some games. But more often than not when I’m watching the defense, he’s continually chasing plays, as opposed to being in position to make the plays. Sure, scheme might have something to do with it, but for someone whose football IQ was reportedly so high, he just doesn’t seem to have made the transition fully to the pro game yet. Game speed, recognition…something isn’t there. I don’t think “bust” is fair just yet either because his conditioning and health have been good. It’s just starting to become more and more likely that we really overdrafted him.

But again as someone noted, his valuation wasn’t unique to the Seahawks FO. Pretty much everyone seemed to have him as one of the 5-6 best players in the draft.

by Kingdomer on Nov 10, 2010 7:18 AM PST up reply actions  

well said

Beam yourself up

I'm a one man rec'n crew

by jubelthebear on Nov 10, 2010 9:36 AM PST up reply actions  

The bust status would only be based on draft position and contract size. Its all relative

For where we drafted him and what we are paying him, by now he should be a dominating force on the D week in and out. From that perspective he is a bust.
He ranges from filling a starting position to having a good game. I’m not sure he has ever dominated a game. Overall he is at about the level of hawthorne. We don’t pay him like that though. Thats where the bust talk comes in.

by stufr on Nov 10, 2010 8:00 AM PST up reply actions  

well said too

As it stands; it seems he’s headed right for bustville. But I still feel like the final word on those sorts of evaluations takes more time. Although it is safe to say: he ain’t earnin his pay or draft status.

Beam yourself up

I'm a one man rec'n crew

by jubelthebear on Nov 10, 2010 9:42 AM PST up reply actions  

And that certainly becomes a concern

I think most people would agree that if he had been drafted in the second round, this would be a very different conversation.

I’m hesitant to start leaning towards the “bust” label just yet because he’s stayed healthy, has been diligent about conditioning, and has great physical tools. 6’2", 255, good speed, and all those cliches about how you can’t coach size are still true.

However, those are offset by the following two giant concerns:

-Positioning and coverage. As I said before, he always seems to be chasing the play.

-Sure tackling. For a guy his size, I feel like I’ve seen way too many missed and broken tackles. I have no stats to back this up, but the feeling I get when I watch him is that he’s a little inconsistent. He’s not a human turnstile like some former safeties I could mention, but it’s nagging at me a bit.

I do believe that he wants to play better. Speculatively, I wonder if that’s not part of the problem. He’s someone who had a lot of success in college, and it’s entirely possible that most of that was due to his raw athleticism. I have no way of knowing how “coached” he was at Wake Forest, but it could be that a big part of his struggles are coming from understanding his place in the defense.

Just to make this comment way too long-maybe I should Fanpost this, but whatever, I went back and read a bunch of his pre-draft scouting reports. If you sift through the noise there are some interesting red flags that seem prescient now:

From NflDraftScout.com:

“Curry is quick to read, but is inconsistent to react (sometimes takes that extra second to digest and is late to make a jump on the ball).”

“Curry is a good competitor who plays with aggression, but can get a bit reckless in his play, taking sloppy pursuit angles. "

“Curry is a field smart player that reads keys well, but shows some inconsistency with his instincts. He understands game situations, but can be fooled by misdirection and play-action fakes.”

“Doesn’t explode into tackles consistently, using his long arms to try and wrap up. "

From WalterFootball.com

“I love Curry the player, but to be a top-eight player on my Draft board as a 4-3 outside linebacker you better have very fluid hips (like Derrick Brooks as a prospect) and have the ability to play the Tampa 2 WILL, which Curry does not. Bottom line is Curry certainly has weaknesses going untalked about, but in the end, I do project him as a top-15 pick. "

From SportingNews.com

“Is smart but inconsistent with his instincts. Often bites and steps forward aggressively on play-action fakes, which allows his man to get separation behind him and make the catch. Does not seem overly aware in pass coverage.”

Sure, I’m cherry-picking a little bit, and it’s hardly a scientific survey, but it’s interesting that there were some holes in his game that seem to be contributing to his performance level for the hawks. Realistically though, acknowledging that he has come with some very good play from time to time, these pretty well sum up the weaknesses I’ve seen from him on the field.

by Kingdomer on Nov 10, 2010 10:20 AM PST up reply actions  

He was the 4th overall pick and he's hardly noticable

He hasn’t really made much in the way of big plays, and you could go through a game and never notice his impact. I know I’ll get some grief for this, but he won’t be getting any pro-bowl votes either. We have a middle linebacker named Tatupu who was a 2nd round pick, and had a huge impact right away and continues to have a huge impact.

He can legitimately be labeled a bust so far because he simply has not justified the 4th overall pick in the draft. Hawthorne has at least the same impact on a game and he wasn’t even drafted.

by lordtd on Nov 10, 2010 12:00 PM PST up reply actions  

Since I haven't seen it mentioned anywhere else,

sometime quite late, I think in the early or mid 3rd quarter, a run to the left opened up a pretty big hole between Pitts & Gibson. We know Lynch isn’t fast but he’s supposed to have more lateral quickness. I think it was Michael Boley who had him about step for step getting to the hole, which was pretty far to the left as the line all moved left pretty good.

Lynch abandoned the race to the hole and cut in behind Gibson where there was no room and got stuffed.

Since our ZBS running seems to only work for inside zones, I can’t even be sure if that was just a simple stretch play and the back reads and picks a hole, or whether that off-guard blast was designed, but it was probably the best hole I’ve seen the line make since Lynch joined the team.

Giving up and cutting in so early when Lynch makes so much after initial contact made this probably the most disappointing and frustrating moment of the bitter, bitter game. Not for missing any chance to make a difference in the game, but just to see some effectiveness come together in the running game. Just disappointing.

by jacobstevens on Nov 10, 2010 12:01 PM PST reply actions  

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