Abandoning the Run
Seattle needed to change momentum, and what changes momentum like a blocked kick?
Right.
Momentum is bogus.
1-10-SEA 38 (5:03) 24-M.Lynch right tackle to SEA 43 for 5 yards (29-E.Berry, 90-S.Smith).
This is not a zone running play for a change. Mike Gibson pulls from left guard to off right tackle and Marshawn Lynch runs between Gibson and a very good block by Chris Baker on Mike Vrabel. Remember him? He's back, in Chief form.
And the run looks good -- though Lynch doesn't look particularly explosive -- the blocks are mostly set and he has a path into the second level, but one block fails and everything breaks down. Chris Spencer and Stacy Andrews combine to double the nose off the snap, and then Andrews separates and blocks Derrick Johnson. But he doesn't block Derrick Johnson, and Johnson makes the initial impact that stops Lynch and starts the gang tackle.
That's how Andrews rolls: In a barrel of botched assignments. Over a cliff of missed second level blocks. Into a shallow stream of "my bad."
Not to pile on Andrews, but damn is this team discouraging.
2-5-SEA 43 (4:33) 24-M.Lynch left tackle to SEA 43 for no gain (95-R.Edwards).
Seattle runs a stretch left. I can't tell who is at fault here: Spencer or Lynch.
Things start well enough.
It looks like Andrews is about to peel off the double team he never really accomplished and take on Johnson, and he does. Johnson is the Chief stepping on the Hawks throat, FYI. But maybe's there's some confusion, because Spencer also drops Ron Edwards. Or maybe's he not dropped. Maybe it's just a blown block.
Either way, Lynch then runs directly into Edwards as if he has no change of direction or no compass to find a hole. Part of me says: blown block Spencer. Part of me says: confused assignments between Spencer and Andrews. And part of me says, isn't it a back's job to evade a nose tackle in space. It's not as if the backfield was swarming with defenders.
Anyway, tally another stuff. Something is very wrong with this run game. Wonder what Alex Gibbs is up to.
3-5-SEA 43 (3:53) 8-M.Hasselbeck pass incomplete short right to 87-B.Obomanu (41-J.Bates).
Seahawks split four wide. Chiefs counter with a 2-3 dime. Ben Obomanu is wide right matched against Jackie Bates. Hasselbeck takes the snap. Chiefs rush three. Seahawks block with five. Hasselbeck locks onto Obomanu and zips it low and just over the defender's shoulder. Bates isn't looking at the ball. He's watching Obo the entire way, and when Obomanu jumps and catches, Bates gets and arm in and breaks the pass up.
Almost seems too easy.
Punt.
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Remember Alf?
He’s back. In pog form.
This chair be high says I.
by Alanya Morgan on Dec 1, 2010 7:08 PM PST up reply actions 2 recs
I can't wait for our new LG
And RG, and RT.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
by SSreporters on Dec 1, 2010 6:45 PM PST reply actions 1 recs
But we've got UNGER!!!!!!!!
OK yeah, we need a RG.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
speaking of the running game
Force was underutilized this game. I know we were playing from behind most of the game but damn we need his explosive potential out of the backfield.
Lynch and Force were used brilliantly in our wins
Terribly in our losses.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
Agreed
Force seems much better when fresh (compared to last year, where his injuries (e.g. thigh bruise) seemed to have a big effect on his game. We need to get him the ball more. He hits the hole faster and can make guys miss. Beast seems in slow motion in comparison, although his style is also useful.
Force couldn't have been used in this game.
We had no passing game, so the Chiefs D was all up on the line. There was nowhere to run. Force seems to do best when we are able to use him play action or on a draw. Neither was going to work last Sunday.
It's STILL Great to be a Florida Gator!
"Too many Urkels on this team, that's why our Wins-low." -Kanye West (slightly altered)
by Wayward Llama on Dec 2, 2010 3:47 AM PST up reply actions
We've abandoned the run, Hasselbeck makes me want to abandon the pass
So is the other option to just punt it on first down or run nothing but fake punts until we’re inside the 20, when we then kick the FG?
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
But Mare has scored points
He even got out of that Mora graphic funk.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
We don't know yet
But the Rams game tells us Ryan can’t run.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
Even though I'm a coug and Brandon Gibson is a cool dude, isn't that Mike Gibson?
Also Could Seattle be looking at a Okung. Gibson Spencer Andrews line next year?
heaven help us
one or both of the andrews/spencers duo needs to go
To be fair to Andrews, he's been playing out of position.
He’s a far better fit to be a tackle and I assume he’ll be at least a little better if he’s moved there.
I was under the impression that
he bombed as a tackle and was better at guard.
It's STILL Great to be a Florida Gator!
"Too many Urkels on this team, that's why our Wins-low." -Kanye West (slightly altered)
by Wayward Llama on Dec 2, 2010 3:49 AM PST up reply actions
sorry, I also meant to say a draft pick at right guard.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 1, 2010 7:00 PM PST up reply actions
He's the Tea Leoni of offensive lines. Looks good on paper, but can't carry a series.
"You tell me with confidence that you think Charlie could have done better and I will laugh beer in your face." JohnnyOsprey
by Tyler Jorgensen on Dec 2, 2010 11:44 AM PST up reply actions
Same. I laughed.
"Pass rushers enter the world of Okung but never leave." - JM
http://seahawksblog.wordpress.com
Any news on Max Unger and his recovery? What happens to these guys? Do they just chill at home?
I am hoping that the injury was very minor and that the front office IRed him to pressure him to get better. Hopefully he gets on that juice for a year and comes back stronger.
No, he had a wicked tear in the connecting tissue where his big toe meets his foot.
That’s what turf toe is. it was going to be an 11 week injury on average with the severity and so they IR’ed him to bring on someone else.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 1, 2010 7:29 PM PST up reply actions
He was IR'd with turf toe
and a severe lack of dirt baggedness.
I’m not sure what the plan is for him next year, but I’m hoping he can be a contributer somewhere (OG, C or depth).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 1, 2010 8:36 PM PST up reply actions
I do admit I am now glad we didn't draft C.J. Spiller
even he wouldn’t be able to do a whole lot considering the state of our O-line
Maybe I'm missing something about zone blocking
Why in the picture above are 6 Seahawk linemen engaged with their opponent at or behind the line of scrimmage, but in the KC diagram in John’s last post, the Chiefs have 7 blockers between 1-5 yards beyond the line? It seems lately like an opposing RB can run into the back of his linemen and pickup at least a yard, while our line is getting consistently blown back.
Even more, the thing that’s really starting to bother me about this line is seeing Lynch or Force hit the ground and only one or two linemen still holding a block. It’s like they’ve lost their man and given up, whereas the Chiefs’ (or NY, Oakland, etc) offensive linemen are still hitting someone until the whistle blows. I don’t know how many runs I’ve seen end this year with Locklear standing there, not blocking anyone, looking down at his RB on the turf.
Some of that is why I like Unger.
It Should also be pointed out that Spencer and Okung really embody some of the grind it out toughness that Jim Mora wanted last year. I hate Locklear, his approach looks lazy in all fasets at times. He just gave up on a couple of instances in pass pro that really stood out as problematic both times he was beat inside by the end dropping his shoulder and Locklear is so fucking late to get a hand on him I think the End forgot he was even across from anyone. He’s gone next season without question.
by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 1, 2010 11:41 PM PST up reply actions
That run is a lot more broken than just Spencer and Andrews.
Not a single guy on the field is doing his job correctly. The goal of zone blocking is to stretch the field horizontally, causing natural double teams and forcing linebackers to flow into blocks. Baker gets blown back, but he is one on one against a DE. Okung and Gibson get cockpunched halfway into the locker room by a DT and completely destroy the playside for Beast. They are responsible for the strongside backer with the black collar. How in the hell are they gonna get him from their position? Spencer and Andrews had responsibility for the middle backer, and Andrews should have been the guy to peel off and engage him. This is muddled by the fact that Okung and Gibson could no longer make a play on the playside backer, but the fact is the middle backer had entered Spencer and Andrew’s zone and had done it on Andrew’s side and the DT was actively working to cross Spencer’s face.. Had people come close to doing their jobs, their was a pretty little hole to the second level developing between Spencer and Gibson.
Just for note, Lock did his normal thing and blocked nobody attempting nothing in particular.
by Fightfightfight on Dec 2, 2010 12:25 AM PST reply actions
Is there any chance?
That we can trade Locklear for a bag of hockey pucks? The rationale is that a bag of pucks would be equally as useless and then we could slide over Andrews to tackle where hopefully he’d be a bit more comfortable/familiar. You can’t fault it for being an unfair trade… the better question is “what kind of hockey pucks?”
Also wouldn’t Forsett do well with a few screen passes tossed his way he seems pretty good at making defenders miss in those situations. Or at the very least can make 3rd down more managable.
I think hockey pucks would be asking too much for him
I do think we could trade him for a bag of doorknobs, however.
The knock on him was that he was great, versatile depth but couldn't stay healthy
Its good to see that he’s been able to stay (mostly) healthy this year.
I notice that he’s a FA next year according to Roto World (not that he’s on the FO’s radar).
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 2, 2010 1:25 PM PST up reply actions

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