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Quick Thoughts on Mike Gibson Replacing Stacy Andrews

It takes much more to be a great coach, but I'd say Seahawks fans have a leader.

If Mike Gibson was definitively better than Stacy Andrews, we could say "wooo! better line." But Gibson is not definitively better than Andrews. So what should we expect?

Inferior pass blocking

Andrews is no stone wall, but he benefits quite a bit from being enormous. He doesn't get bull rushed back too often. Instead defenders separate and gap him left or right. That isn't good either of course but compare his pass blocking to, say, Max Unger. One kills you in spurts (Andrews). The other is a continual weakness (Unger). Unger wasn't beat that often, but man did that guy ever live in his own backfield.

A continual weakness creates two specific more recognizable problems: no pocket to step into and blitz expressways.

Improved run blocking

Remember how Alex Gibbs unexpectedly retired a week before the start of the regular season? How that same day it was announced that Seattle had traded for Stacy Andrews? And how deductively there was nothing to prove it was anything but a coincidence but inductively it seemed fishy?

Well Andrews is not a through-and-through bad run-blocking guard. He's big. He's powerful as hell. And he moves surprisingly well. But the guy's not a technician and he's nowhere near quick enough to be an effective zone blocking lineman--at least not in pretty damn pure ZBS.

Gibson is a little bit quicker and a little bit better in space and that might help transform this

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into this

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but I wouldn't count on it.

Anyway, something had to be done and Mike Gibson must be doing something to earn coach after coach's respect*, so I can't really complain. We will see if it makes a difference. We will see if it lasts four quarters.

*My money's on excellence in gritbagitude.

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Blah blah blah I hate Locklear blah blah

I’m getting sick of saying it, but I’m sick on Carroll playing him even more. So, I’m in favor of Andrews/anyone else playing RT.

by J.L. White on Dec 17, 2010 8:03 PM PST up reply actions  

I know I've said this a million times

but Andrews is known to be a far worse tackle than guard. So, yeah. He’s probably not going to be replacing Locklear.

It's STILL great to be a Florida Gator!

by Wayward Llama on Dec 18, 2010 3:01 AM PST up reply actions  

Fewer false starts when we're in scoring position?

Seems to me Gibson’s had a lot fewer of those at-the-worst-possible-moment penalties than Andrews.

by dagraham on Dec 17, 2010 8:18 PM PST reply actions  

I wonder if Turner, Ryan, TGonz, and Roddy will all get the second half off.

I expect a game that’s hard to watch. This might just be a royal beat-down.

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by Misfit74 on Dec 17, 2010 9:02 PM PST reply actions  

I have said here and elsewhere

42 – 10, Atlanta. It will be over by the half. Matt will throw at least two picks in the first twenty minutes, sack himself and fumble at least once. At least one of these turnovers will be returned for a TD. The only reason to watch the second half at all will be to see if Hasslesuck gets his ass (finally) benched. I doubt Whitehurst will be any better so the only reason to watch the fourth quarter will be to see if Atlanta can break the scoring record.

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Dec 18, 2010 11:17 AM PST up reply actions  

If we're going to say Andrews drove Gibbs out

I think it only makes sense to say that Gibbs drove Sims out. Given the nature of the guys we have on the line now, I think its clear to say that neither Carroll nor Bates appear to be the type of sticklers for “ZBS-type” OL that GIbbs was.

by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 17, 2010 9:44 PM PST reply actions  

Ummmm so was Tyler Polumbus. I don't think I'd surrender the idea just because at other stops he didn't play well.

Lets face it, at this point I could block better than Sean Locklear without my crutches, which would be weird since I can’t walk without them. I’d rather see Stacy attempt the job than someone who is gone at the end of the year by all counts.

by Joshua Kasparek on Dec 18, 2010 3:34 AM PST reply actions  

Almost forgot about Polumbus

Why isn’t he starting at RT?? Or even John Carlson would be better..

by B.B.Finnegan on Dec 18, 2010 9:15 AM PST up reply actions  

Can I just say that

it seems we’ve tried the ZBS for a couple of seasons now and had an astounding lack of success. Is it wrong to want our line to just go back to hitting guys, opening holes and running the ball. The ZBS seems to be the “BNOS” or "block NO ONE scheme.

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Dec 18, 2010 11:19 AM PST reply actions  

Understood

but that doesn’t address the problem, the BNOS experiment needs to go away and soon. I would hate to have our rookie QB starting next year behind that kind of “blocking.”

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Dec 18, 2010 12:42 PM PST up reply actions  

Actually, the pass blocking is not bad at all.

Okung was a major difference there.

The problem with this offensive line isn’t the system, which is tried and true, it’s the ridiculous lack of talent.

by djafrot on Dec 18, 2010 2:07 PM PST up reply actions  

Oh no, the pass blocking is consistent

I am tired of our backs having to dodge three defenders before they even reach the LOS.

John Hancock

by mrcoffee1969 on Dec 18, 2010 2:08 PM PST up reply actions  

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