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1-10-KC 26 (:25) 25-J.Charles right end pushed ob at KC 30 for 4 yards (59-A.Curry).
Kansas City teased end around out of an identical but mirrored formation in the preceding drive. This time, they cash in.
This was one of my favorite plays of the afternoon. It didn't prevent a four yard run, but it prevented a much longer run. It was an individual effort and an individual effort by one of Seattle's young, supremely talented players.
Matt Cassel motions hand off to Thomas Jones and hands off to Jamaal Charles running an end around. Lofa Tatupu bites hard inside, and takes himself completely out of the play. David Hawthorne bites inside and is lost in the pile. Walter Thurmond is run deep on the right. The defensive line has not created contain and no lineman is moving right to intercept Charles. It is up to Aaron Curry to stop this play.
Tony Moeaki motions to tight end left prior to the snap. He pulls behind the line and around right end and attempts to block Curry. Even a delaying block should be sufficient given Charles speed, but Curry reads it the entire way. He crashes down from off the line through Moeaki and towards Charles, stringing him wide right. Charles has to bubble backwards until his nine yards behind the line of scrimmage. Any kind of assistance produces a huge tackle for a loss. A better angle by Curry produces a tackle for a loss, but he's a little too aggressive and can only manage to hook Charles and fall off before Charles breaks through and falls forward out of bounds.
2-6-KC 30 (15:00) 25-J.Charles left tackle to KC 34 for 4 yards (94-J.Siavii, 51-L.Tatupu).
A lot of the action in this play happens before the snap.
Chiefs start: WR (left/right), 2 TE (left), RB
Motion: WR (left/right), TE (right), I (right)
And then: WR (left/right), TE (right), I (left)
Seattle shuffles its line to adjust, but the final move by Kansas City produces the mismatch the Chiefs are looking for. Barry Richardson lures LEO end Raheem Brock wide and then blocks him by his inside shoulder, setting a very short corner. Curry is there to contain, but KC has a lead blocker to neutralize Curry.
Seattle actually plays this very well. Curry knocks back the lead blocker into Charles, retarding his momentum. Tatupu avoids the cut block by left guard Brian Waters and closes the rush lane, and Junior Siavii throws off center Casey Wiegmann and closes from the right.
Charles plunges forward for four, setting up third and two.
3-2-KC 34 (14:26) 7-M.Cassel pass short right to 82-D.Bowe ran ob at KC 39 for 5 yards.
Thurmond plays off on Bowe and Bowe runs a short out for an easy first.
It's automatic.
1-10-KC 39 (13:59) 7-M.Cassel pass short middle to 25-J.Charles to KC 47 for 8 yards (59-A.Curry).
Play-action, seven step, no pressure, Charles slips out of the back field on a curl route and catches and turns up field for eight. Deep routes run off the coverage and space opens underneath, just like earlier.
2-2-KC 47 (13:20) 20-T.Jones left tackle to KC 48 for 1 yard (91-C.Clemons; 51-L.Tatupu).
Chiefs attempt to rush up the gut, but Terrill is able to hold ground and Tatupu is able to shed a cut block and that inspires Jones to begin running horizontally left. I don't know if that is the right decision, but it's defensible. Tatupu closes from the right and Clemons fights through Richardson's block and the two meet to tackle Jones after only one.
3-1-KC 48 (12:44) PENALTY on KC-67-B.Richardson, False Start, 4 yards, enforced at KC 48 - No Play. Due to spot of ball before snap, four yard penalty results
3-5-KC 44 (12:18) 7-M.Cassel pass deep right to 82-D.Bowe to SEA 34 for 22 yards (28-W.Thurmond; 29-E.Thomas).
Seattle breaks in a dime package, dime defensive line, six defensive backs, et cetera.
Kansas City doesn't match personnel, opting for two tight ends instead, and retaining seven blockers against a four man pass rush.
Seattle guessed right, but it just didn't work.
Cassel reads right, left and sees Bowe one-on-one against Thurmond. Thomas is breaking that direction, but too deep to double. Bowe curls. Thurmond continues forward. Cassel places it on Bowe's back shoulder. Bowe receives. Thurmond snaps around, attempts a tackle, and Thomas ends it.
After 22.
Tolerable growing pains, all in all, but ugly nonetheless.
1-10-SEA 34 (11:42) 25-J.Charles right end to SEA 30 for 4 yards (36-L.Milloy, 94-J.Siavii).
Seattle is able to hold ground against a stretch right and Siavii disengages and hooks Charles, slowing him and starting the tackle.
2-6-SEA 30 (11:04) 20-T.Jones left tackle to SEA 29 for 1 yard (94-J.Siavii).
Seattle overloads the right and run a six man blitz. KC runs behind left guard, and most of the Seahawks front seven is out of position. Curry is way in the backfield. Bane is way to the left, drawing the left tackle. Tatupu smartly abandons the blitz and moves back to contain the run, but he's to the right and Waters is between him and the rush lane. Balmer attacked hard in to set the edge for Curry and Tats, and he's a long shot to tackle Jones.
But Siavii takes care of business. He forces Wiegmann back. He sheds the center and tackles Jones after one.
3-5-SEA 29 (10:23) 25-J.Charles left tackle to SEA 21 for 8 yards (36-L.Milloy).
This fails because of the defensive line personnel. Seattle guesses wrong.
Seahawks aligns, from left to right: Clemons-Richardson-Mebane-Brock. KC sets their lone tight end left; behind the line an "I" formation.
Clemons and Brock edge rush and run themselves out of the play. Mebane beats back Wiegmann, but doesn't separate. Richardson, a 6'6", 280 pound defensive end, is blown back, turned backwards and taken out of the play. That's where Charles runs. Hawthorne is able to shed a cut block, but the cut delays him enough to force him into a bad angle. Everything else is just Charles running forward and past the first down marker for eight yards.
1-10-SEA 21 (9:46) 20-T.Jones right end pushed ob at SEA 21 for no gain (57-D.Hawthorne).
End around hand-off, as seen in the Charles end around.
Mebane gets an excellent jump, forces Lilja deep into the backfield, and that makes Jones begin moving horizontally-right four yards behind the line of scrimmage. Balmer also gets good push, and this run is just about blown up. Hawthorne flies down and tackles.
Quick note: Tatupu moves right of center prior to the snap and motions to Heater to move wider right. He doesn't, really. He does, but only a little bit. After the snap, he's contending with Moeaki and must shed a block before tackling. That is probably why this play isn't dropped for a loss.
Good play by the line, and good on Heater getting off the block.
2-10-SEA 21 (9:14) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass incomplete deep left to 82-D.Bowe.
Safety blitz. Seahawks send the Law.
Clemons pressures from left and Milloy pressures from the right and even Siavii is around to pressure from in front. The result: Cassel throws it away.
3-10-SEA 21 (9:08) (Shotgun) 7-M.Cassel pass short right to 82-D.Bowe pushed ob at SEA 10 for 11 yards (34-R.Lewis) [59-A.Curry].
Finally a down and distance Seattle can work with.
Initially:
KC: 2 WR (left), WR (right), TE (right), RB
Seattle: 3-1
(Kansas City calls a time out)
Then:
KC: 2 WR (left), 2 TE (right), Rb (left), Shotgun
Seattle: 4-1
The play clock had almost run out before the Chiefs called a time out, but I wonder if they didn't spy Seattle's defense and then adjust. It's a critical third and ten, and first half time outs can be spent freely.
Before the snap, Bowe motions right. Roy Lewis follows, and, well, that means Roy Lewis is in man coverage on Dwayne Bowe. Seahawks send six (Tats and Milloy) and Curry and Milloy create pressure up the gut. In that sense, this play is working. Cassel has to throw flat footed, under duress. But he throws to a wide open Bowe running up the right sideline. Lewis arrives to knock him out of bounds, but the first is converted.
Thurmond is on Moeaki. Lewis is over and away from Bowe, and doesn't react fast enough to stop the first. Maybe those assignments should have been swapped.
1-10-SEA 10 (8:44) 25-J.Charles right end to SEA 7 for 3 yards (28-W.Thurmond).
Chiefs motion the tight end before the snap, swapping the strong side and creating a LEO-strongside mismatch. Milloy follows to compensate, and he almost makes a play, but just can't get an arm on Charles. Pope sets the edge against Brock, and things look precarious.
Luckily, Thurmond closes from the secondary and tackles Charles in space. Charles almost escapes the tackle. That would have saved me a couple extra plays to break down.
2-7-SEA 7 (8:04) 25-J.Charles right tackle to SEA 1 for 6 yards (57-D.Hawthorne, 51-L.Tatupu).
David Hawthorne has a 51.4% success rate on tackles. That's not among the league's worst, but it's pretty far down there. I mention this not to indict Hawthorne, but because Hawthorne is Seattle's weakside linebacker. When I see Heater's name listed next to a tackle, I always look to see what kind of tough situation he was up against.
This play, he's actually on Seattle's strong side. Curry is over Terrance Copper. Seattle is matching a 4-3 against a three wide receiver set, and that decision probably saves the touchdown.
Balmer overpursues around right end. Mebane is sealed inside by Lilja. Siavii is out-manned by a double team. Tatupu gets stuck behind Siavii, but does a good job of sticking with his gap and not letting Charles break inside.
Moeaki pulls forward and blocks Hawthorne, and that should end it, but Hawthorne perseveres. He sheds Moeaki and halts a charging Charles. It's a damn good if by no means textbook tackle, and Hawthorne, practically stationary, is able to stop Charles where they meet and save the touchdown.
I don't think this tackle was "successful," but I won't hold that against Heater.
3-1-SEA 1 (7:22) 50-M.Vrabel and 90-S.Smith reported in as eligible. 90-S.Smith up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN.
Seahawks get decent push, but Shaun Smith barrels in.
Rich Gannon exults: "Big Sexy! Haha!"
Not to say Seattle couldn't stop it. Mebane could have gotten better push, for one, but that's a lot of newtons to stop and about a half a foot of space to stop it in.
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I hate this paper thin secondary
Dwayne Bowe is a freak and we’ve got a rookie, Jennings, and Roy Lewis – DB covering him.
I wish we had two first round picks again so we could get a QB with one pick and a DB with the other one.
I suffer from IBS, otherwise known as "Influx of Billick Syndrome".
Don't worry.
Next year, I hope, it’ll be Trufant and Thurmond manning the corners, and Chancellor & Thomas pummelling whomever survives.
OPTIMISM!
I think it's become clear
That we need a stud CB as much as anything. Don’t be surprised if that’s our first round pick next year.
by NinjaHawk on Dec 2, 2010 5:47 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Trufant is our best corner
And he is completely average. Jennings is shit. Thurmond is a 4th round rookie who may be good, may not. Combine that with the fact that we’ve given up an average of 538659 passing yards per game, I think it’s clear. We need a stud corner.
by NinjaHawk on Dec 3, 2010 1:08 AM PST via mobile up reply actions
Absolutely
We could pick anywhere in the first and grab a killer CB. Outside of Luck and maybe Cam, the QB class is not very good, Locker could be worth a second if he fell that far. I think we should be looking to grab a CB, DT, and then O-line.
by NinjaHawk on Dec 3, 2010 1:48 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Given the struggles of our "replacement-level" talent
I sure hope we go for guys with high ceilings. For example, if there are no stud DT prospects, then I’d rather go for best-available-talent a bit (rather than best available DT, for example, if there is no one within shouting distance of a Suh, for example)
Not to become the “Raiders North”, but we certainly seem to lack talent on this team, and may have to draft a bit differently than the past, and value potential, athleticism and size a bit more over polish and initial readiness. This may result in a few busts, but mediocracy sucks too.
Average + may be good = OK for now.
This team has bigger issues with pass rush than corner. A great pass rush makes average corners look great… it’s very difficult to go the other way around.
We already have Trufant and Thurmond signed to contracts. Bringing in another corner makes this complicated in a way that’s not really necessary. Are we going to draft a corner in the first round and pay him mega-bucks and then watch him get shelled because he has to cover for six seconds every play while the quarterback makes a sandwich?
I’ll be mighty pissed if we draft a corner in the first round next year unless it’s a huge steal. This team has bigger needs at QB, OG, RT and DE.
If Nate (below me) is right, all this corner depth means one should be available in lower rounds. If that means a potential first-round talent is available in the second… awesome, grab him.
I don't think that is good enough
I know that pass rush helps the secondary, but look at our division. We’ve got to play Fitz twice a year, Crabtree twice a year, Bradford + whoever twice a year, and we don’t have a shutdown corner to match up. Trufant has showed he can’t even mildly contain a great receiver. What’s the point of great pass rush if it’s burned every third down? Your view is valid, I just think CB is a greater need than you’re considering.
by NinjaHawk on Dec 3, 2010 1:56 PM PST via mobile up reply actions
Thurmond matched up pretty well against Fitz
in what I think was his first start in the NFL.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 3, 2010 2:15 PM PST up reply actions
Kind of proving my point.
Give Fitz a good quarterback, and he’s deadly. Fitz with a rattled Anderson or Hall – due to a Hawk being in his face – is not nearly as dangerous.
Do we really think Thurmond is that good all the time? The common denominator is the pass rush, not the corner. Even Jennings looks OK when the QB doesn’t have all afternoon to set up camp and lob passes.
Fitz must not be all that great of a WR
If he’s completely dependent on the play of the QB and could get shut down by a rookie DB.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 3, 2010 6:19 PM PST up reply actions
Not sure what you're saying here.
But he can’t throw the ball himself.
Thurmond had at least a couple pass defenses vs Fitz
Those aren’t all on Hall/Anderson.
by Greetings from the Lord Humongous! on Dec 3, 2010 8:09 PM PST up reply actions
I think Thurmond is a rookie, and plays as such.
That is to say, somewhat inconsistently. However, he’s made some extremely good pass defenses this year in limited snaps, and seems to show truly exceptional ball awareness, if maybe not the most consistent cover skills.
That being said, to djafrot’s original point about having Tru and Thurmond under contract and the utility of bringing in a third CB through the draft, I agree that we have holes that are probably better to spend our 1st rounder on.
You're missing my point entirely.
Trufant does just fine when there’s at least something of a rush on the QB. He’s been cooked against the likes of Nicks and Bowe because Manning and Cassel have had all day to sit in the pocket and wait for their WR to get open.
I’m not saying that Trufant is some kind of “shutdown” corner out there, but he’s proven to be absolutely adequate when given any help. In fact, the whole notion of “shutdown corner” is bullshit… almost every great corner in the history of the NFL has gotten torched when left all alone for four seconds at a time.
It’s certainly not a position of strength, but I’d argue that Tru/Thurmond/Jennings is at least serviceable. Adding a frontline corner doesn’t really justify the investment, unless you’re wanting to put one of Tru or Thurmond on the bench frequently. We could ditch Trufant, but why waste the resource when we have other needs?
I agree
I’d rather see us address other needs with the first round pick, unless the corner is the best player available. But I think we have enough needs that there should be a couple of high ceiling players to choose from.
The Hawks aren't likely to be picking high enough in the draft to have to pay mega-bucks.
There are three corners I’d love for Seattle to take in the first round.
I'm a little unclear on the note about Tatupu moving Hawthorne.
Did Tatupu try to move Heater the right way or the wrong way?

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